I've been playing games that were asking us to organize a large coalition to secure kills on very rare bosses, which meant 24/7 for over a year of constant surveillance. We had everything set up, discord alerts, mandatory scouting shifts and emergency call we had to answer even at 4AM to help secure the kill against other large groups of players trying to kill us. It's a very ... fun (for a while) yet extremely taxing gaming experience that only works for the sweatiest of sweats. It eats your life, not answering the calls or telling them you can't come defend meant you'd be kicked out of that very select and hardcore group of people. While the situation is not 1:1 with basebuilding and offline raiding, gamers will be gamers and I don't think encouraging that kind of degeneracy is good for the game, let alone for these people's lives. It certainly wasn't enjoyable for me long term so I'm glad CIG takes steps to prevent that kind of degenerate gameplay
Offline base raiding ALWAYS sucks. Thats the only time it’s gonna happen if that’s how it works. There is no amount of base defenses that will hold off a PVP org. Do what Eve does, you can take down a 1st layer of shielding offline then it starts a timer that both the owner and the attacker can see before being able to actually start a real attack. The first layer is essentially a declaration of war. The timer allows the defender to rally troops and prepare. The attacker also has opportunities to setup FOBs so the war begins before the full assault. This is why the only people that play Rust are sociopaths, they can win without any resistance and they think it’s awesome. The player base, like Eve, is a bunch of adults so this will turn off everyone looking forward to this feature. If your thoughts are “oh, well that’s low security, it is what it is buddy” then you’re actually stupid. Eve bases in nullsec are afforded this same timer protection because they understand why offline raiding is terrible game design.
I mean... It's nice to have the choice of allowing offline raiding or not. Nothing won't with that imo The timer does sound cool for the areas that do, but a lot of our bases will just be in higher security areas.
Offline raiding sucks. Even in Pyro, it's just bad game design. There needs to be a compromise that works for the defense side, otherwise it'll just be griefers field a no game will be played. A timer like you say in Eve is one way, time frames of planetary shield protection is another.
Agreed. Offline base raiding is a game killing cancer. Tomato is super wrong about this. The majority of SC players don't want to play rust. It's not even a question. Offline base killing will sink the game.
19:50 At other points in the video you discussed how base raiding will work, so I'm curious why you said here that players who are online will be safe. The way I understood what they were saying is being online just means the attack has to happen on your shard. The only guarantees against getting raided have nothing to do with your online/offline status, but instead are entirely reliant upon planetary shielding, whether from being in a high security zone or winning the weekly bidding wars on Pyro/Nyx.
Yeah I misspoke there. I was making the assumption most players would be in high sec areas and immune from attack, but that's regardless of their online status.
@SpaceTomatoToo There was a LOT of stuff to digest and you caught things I missed when I first listened, so we all do it! Oh, and don't apologize for pausing to talk! We listen to you going over it because we want your commentary, and talking while the video is playing makes it harder to concentrate on what you say for some of us. :-) Pause all you need!
I'm not too happy with how they explained mining. However, some being only for FPS mining, having to go into caves to find them where vehicles can't go, that I think would work great. And some stones being to small so a mining ship would overheat it in a millisecond so you need a ground vehicle or even a hand-held mining tool. After all, that would give a reason for the Arrastra to actually carry mining vehicles without making it odd.
@magnus_lundgren i agree with the mining but not the scanning. But like tomato said if we could set the scanner to only find hand, rock , or ship and even mass so you dont come to a rock in the prospector and its far to big
@@Tainted-Soul Well, as long we can scan for things "of the wrong size". After all, without it, the entire game loop of having non-mining ship scout for the miner would disappear. However, I agree that could be handled by having to equip specific scanners able to analyze the stones/boulders/asteroids.
Yeah I actually really like the idea of "hard cuts" between each different resource. Maybe seems a little arbitrary but gives purpose to each style of mining.
I want my base to be a tourist spot with hotels, entertainment and a theme park at the beach so that it supports my passenger and touring missions. I want it to have a big rat as a mascot and I would call it Disnot Land.
I would love to do this, this is what my SC would be. But that seems like such a pipe dream. From this information, it just seems bases will be orgs farming materials and blowing each other up.
Im glad they made it so you cant be raided when youre offline. I really dont wanna come back from work a 16 hour shift and see my little shipping and distribution building exploded and gone.
^THIS especially during the Summer Months for me, I work construction and my days can run up to 16 hours long! and I still have to shower/shave/sleep for the next day. IF Im gone a few days and I come back to a nightmare, I might loose the will to play!
1:16:45 You're saying a new player can just steal a $600 Carrack ship and gain the benefits of a $600 ship? For free? This will never happen. CiG will not allow players to bypass the ship store. If for some reason cig decided this was going to happen, Stealing ships would have to be NPC ships since players never lose ships; I could just use an ALT account and steal from the other account to duplicate ships. Stealing and then re-registering ships will cost just as much money/ resources as crafting that ship. There will be no shortcuts in getting a ship hull. Cig makes too much money selling ships. I know you think paints and cosmetics will carry the game, and those things will help, but ships also sell. And they always will.
Everything that CIG said at CitizenCon in the marked video below at the time stamp implies a few things. Ships can be stolen. Ships can be marked as "stolen" implying that status can exist for some time. Ships can be wiped clean of their title and attributed to you. Take of that what you will. Sounds like they want to let players use ships they steal. Video: ua-cam.com/video/WkMD3ZfDZus/v-deo.htmlsi=hFmFyuiqiVTfmxCI&t=2162
I mean its the laws of physics light travels only so fast... latency will always exist, there is no magical way around that, its a sad reality that the laws of physics and moores law is going to hold up back.
Exactly why the goal of One Global Shard was always pie in the sky. Regions should have no issue at all though. Hopefully this fragmented explanation is just short term.
Maybe have a pop-up or label on the base name that people see as soon as they look at the base letting them know it is currently immune to damage so people wouldn't waist ammo or money trying to attract it ...
If you have to be on foot to find hand mineables, that's gonna suuuuck. But I don't really think that's what's happening. It sounded more like they meant that if you're in a Prospector, you can't break ROC size nodes (successfully, chances are you could destroy them easily), and the resources in a ROC size node can ONLY be found in ROC size nodes and so on. So if a crafting blueprint requires, eg. Aphorite, you'll have to find a cave to spelunk somewhere, because Prospectors and ROCs can't do that job. They might get you there, even locate them, but ya gotta hoof it to get the resource.
Got some concerns with how crafting components plus whatever iteration of the flight model we'll be on by then, along with things like armor and the introduction of thrusters and main engines etc.. being components themselves. They did mention the values that can be changed will be in a "set" range (would love to hear more on that), however with this initial tidbit of info, my brain start wondering; ok how does this look in actual live implementation? Are we going to start seeing Ares with close to light fighter tuning, or F8Cs with interceptor like tuning? Will there trade offs, and are those trade offs impactful enough? A random thought (and maybe this is what their aiming for) I had was would a system where "Ship Frames" have a min & max performance for each flight characteristic value and crafting allows you to tune in that range and if you "Wanted" to go above that you risk "Ship Structure" failure for push the frame to hard. This makes the performance of a ship less unknown and possible easier to balance? From a pvp and even pve loop if you scan a ship maybe you can get some sort of info letting you know a ships been "Tuned", and if you have knowledge on ships you have a better understanding of its mins & max capabilities. I really like to see a combined Vehicles Team & Crafting Teams live Q&A; if possible put down the initial ideas and acknowledge the initial issues they are potentially seeing.
For me the frustrating part is that after all this time it's still just ideas. In two years the new crafting dev will tell a different tale, but I am not convinced there will be much to show for it.
I don't think so. Crafting is a pretty new idea to the game, so it has taken a while. But many of the ideas from 2 years ago are being implemented, though some aren't. It won't all happen, but I think we'll be able to put some of this through there paces in that time
@@SpaceTomatoToo I won't mind if I'm wrong, of course. I'm a huge fan of SC and even moreso the community, but the past year has really colored me cynical.
@@SpaceTomatoToo "Crafting is a pretty new idea to the game" The first mention of crafting in Star Citizen's development dates back to discussions during GDC 2013, where Chris Roberts elaborated on the game's economic systems. At that time crafting was discussed as a process intertwined with the economy, involving production at factories, resource gathering, and item creation. Players could own factories, process raw materials, and manufacture goods, which could then be sold or transported, creating opportunities for collaboration and trade. New idea to the game?? sorry friend, but for those of us in from the start who have good memories, it isn't. And I have no doubt you will be hearing about it ad infinitum in the form of plans and proposals and preparations for at least another 3 to 5 years by which time what they want to do will have been rehashed and said again in 500 different ways without anything concrete to show for it or something rudimentary bare bones scaled back 500 miles from what was said today being released in that regard. Which reminds me I wonder how that event generating dynamic economy is coming along that was shown off 5 years ago and still hasn't materialised. And as for folks who both don't play in orgs and could not give a crap about them, well they are crap out of luck as the entire focus as per citcon has now been shifted from interactions with the world & NPC's to interactions generated by player to player contact via this org base guff that to me feels like it was shoved in to provide a misdirection from all they have failed to accomplish and to soften rampant disappointment over there vastly scaled back 1.0 release which they tried to sell to all as if it was bigger than promised via a corporate PR managed talk on stage. I have no more faith left to give, neither do many others according to funding. I would love to be wrong, I really would, but history is my guide, not belief on empty ever shifting promises and proposals.
Pretty sure Thorston just mis-spoke when he was initially talking about different mining professions only finding their rocks - then he clarified what he meant by saying they will just have different materials. We need to remember that half of these devs do not speak English as their first language and have a little more understanding in that regard I think.
That design is great until ... you have an org that stacks "their" shard with max pop, so that you cannot get enough of your team onto their shard to attack. Which has indeed happened in certain PvP games with various linked shards. Pack it, and there are not enough player spots for attackers, done.
I wonder how storing illegal substances work? If I have a storage facility in high security so it can’t be attacked and I smuggle in drugs how will the UEE react and or know that it’s there on base especially if it’s only stored and not sold on base
I really don't like hard cuts between resources ... because if you need space iron to make a prospector, if you are on a planet you could never make it. There *should* be some resources that are specific, nothing wrong with saying gems are best by hand, gas is by Starfarer only, and huge rocks are space only because you need immense power. But a real prospector can hand harvest a sample of bauxite etc to analyse to see if the site is worth building a mine on, it would make no sense to say "this is hand mineable iron only" - while adding in base building for base miners, which are entirely separate again from the hand/vehicle/space mining gameplay styles.
If the base is that big and there are that many people in a single area , dynamic server meshing 2 should break down the area into multiple shards. ( say like the interior of the all the buildings become a single shard) That would make this tactic far more difficult for a org to pull off
A blue print is a Blue print you either have it or you don't so if you know how to make something how can you only know it once ? its easy to steal the ship ( Carrack ) you just crew it for someone and then knock them out and fly the ship off. Crafting Level you will find it that there is no point upgrading a low level item you wait until you get the best quality and then upgrade that , but then store it as you will be to scared to use it in case you die someplace and someone else finds it. Balancing the ships is easy once they have a base line with each and a max then all the different levels and quality can just fit in the two . eg ship x speed is 200m/s base max with the highest level 400m/s every different stages will fit in that range
What a bummer. Hearing they've seemingly given up on not only one global shard, but even on unifying regions is not hype. Not hype at all. I like most of what I hear about crafting and base building though. This system sounds pretty immersion-breaking and not very SC in some ways, but there's an argument to be made that it actually kinda delivers on the longtime goal of not being able to differentiate between players and NPCs. Just instead of making NPCs so good they seem human, they're dumbing down player bases to seem like NPCs. lol
You Can attack another players base even if its on another shard. It sounds like IF they are on another shard you will get a Prompt that tells you the owner is on another shard what they didn't say is it will probably ask you if you want to switch to that shard so you CAN attack their base. This seems to be the Rule for Lawful systems and in unlawful anything goes it seems.
Bases in lawful systems will be protected by planetary shields as well as quick spawn aim bot NPC security- hence no resources and high taxes. Meaning you cannot attack it even if they are online. But that's what I've put together- not a fact. Unlawful systems will fight over base shields each week(?) and the winners will be invulnerable from attack.
its an alpha, elevators are broken at times because its an alpha you don't polish an alpha you build it out test and test and test until you settle on a final major goal then you start working fixing everything. That is how every major project works
Also elevators… they are the most challenging thing you can attempt in a game engine. There is a reason why SP games move the world around the player and not the player through the world.
@@ferenctoka If they would have made massive stations where elevators and hangars were physically accurate where the elevators were aligned with the path of the hangar and not 1km off to the right or left then they could have just built stairs. Seems silly that they tout a persistent world yet the magic elevator just beams you to a hangar. Might as well just use a loading screen and forgot all the fancy stuff. I’ve never seen anyone land at area18 while looking out the window at one of the many hangars. Maybe I’m just unlucky but it seems like that magic doesn’t exist.
World of Warcraft came up with something called Phasing. in which an area was changed for one person, but different for another. and you entered them without a loading screen. If shards worked like phases where you seamlessly transition to them I don't see a problem.
10 minutes in and out already sounds like they are far too ambitious with their plans, I feel like they'll make the same mistakes star wars galaxies did and kill the game by making everything accessible by everyone right out of the tutorial
More like that the base is available on all shards for trading but then only on one for raiding. If I'm picking up cargo to sell in one shard but the base is being attacked in another shard, what does that mean for me, how can it exist in 2 places at once? What does that mean for the owners of the base defending? Later on someone mentioned missions to and from the base, of that's true then it would complicate things even more. The base building in general is a sensitive topic for me as it seems like it's just one more thing to make it super easy for a lone player to do everything with just as much ease as an org. Galaxies died because everything was easily achieved. I think they are a very long, long way from getting base building to work like they won't, but I'm worried they'll rush it and it'll be a ruined mess that will push players away
Its all bullsh@@t! 12 years and still not all carrer gameplay are at least tier 0. No fuel can be harvested, repair, rearm,refuel are useless by player,medic=moving spawnbed,stealth have no counter,E-war when? And so on...everything well designed,planned 12 year ago like now for crafting. Thrust is lost.
I've been playing games that were asking us to organize a large coalition to secure kills on very rare bosses, which meant 24/7 for over a year of constant surveillance. We had everything set up, discord alerts, mandatory scouting shifts and emergency call we had to answer even at 4AM to help secure the kill against other large groups of players trying to kill us.
It's a very ... fun (for a while) yet extremely taxing gaming experience that only works for the sweatiest of sweats. It eats your life, not answering the calls or telling them you can't come defend meant you'd be kicked out of that very select and hardcore group of people.
While the situation is not 1:1 with basebuilding and offline raiding, gamers will be gamers and I don't think encouraging that kind of degeneracy is good for the game, let alone for these people's lives. It certainly wasn't enjoyable for me long term so I'm glad CIG takes steps to prevent that kind of degenerate gameplay
Offline base raiding ALWAYS sucks. Thats the only time it’s gonna happen if that’s how it works. There is no amount of base defenses that will hold off a PVP org. Do what Eve does, you can take down a 1st layer of shielding offline then it starts a timer that both the owner and the attacker can see before being able to actually start a real attack. The first layer is essentially a declaration of war. The timer allows the defender to rally troops and prepare. The attacker also has opportunities to setup FOBs so the war begins before the full assault. This is why the only people that play Rust are sociopaths, they can win without any resistance and they think it’s awesome. The player base, like Eve, is a bunch of adults so this will turn off everyone looking forward to this feature.
If your thoughts are “oh, well that’s low security, it is what it is buddy” then you’re actually stupid. Eve bases in nullsec are afforded this same timer protection because they understand why offline raiding is terrible game design.
I mean... It's nice to have the choice of allowing offline raiding or not. Nothing won't with that imo
The timer does sound cool for the areas that do, but a lot of our bases will just be in higher security areas.
Offline raiding sucks. Even in Pyro, it's just bad game design. There needs to be a compromise that works for the defense side, otherwise it'll just be griefers field a no game will be played. A timer like you say in Eve is one way, time frames of planetary shield protection is another.
@@SpaceTomatoToo I completely support your wrong opinion.
Agreed. Offline base raiding is a game killing cancer. Tomato is super wrong about this. The majority of SC players don't want to play rust. It's not even a question. Offline base killing will sink the game.
Offline raids would kill this game.
19:50 At other points in the video you discussed how base raiding will work, so I'm curious why you said here that players who are online will be safe. The way I understood what they were saying is being online just means the attack has to happen on your shard. The only guarantees against getting raided have nothing to do with your online/offline status, but instead are entirely reliant upon planetary shielding, whether from being in a high security zone or winning the weekly bidding wars on Pyro/Nyx.
Yeah I misspoke there. I was making the assumption most players would be in high sec areas and immune from attack, but that's regardless of their online status.
@SpaceTomatoToo There was a LOT of stuff to digest and you caught things I missed when I first listened, so we all do it!
Oh, and don't apologize for pausing to talk! We listen to you going over it because we want your commentary, and talking while the video is playing makes it harder to concentrate on what you say for some of us. :-) Pause all you need!
I'm not too happy with how they explained mining. However, some being only for FPS mining, having to go into caves to find them where vehicles can't go, that I think would work great. And some stones being to small so a mining ship would overheat it in a millisecond so you need a ground vehicle or even a hand-held mining tool. After all, that would give a reason for the Arrastra to actually carry mining vehicles without making it odd.
@magnus_lundgren i agree with the mining but not the scanning. But like tomato said if we could set the scanner to only find hand, rock , or ship and even mass so you dont come to a rock in the prospector and its far to big
@@Tainted-Soul Well, as long we can scan for things "of the wrong size". After all, without it, the entire game loop of having non-mining ship scout for the miner would disappear. However, I agree that could be handled by having to equip specific scanners able to analyze the stones/boulders/asteroids.
Yeah I actually really like the idea of "hard cuts" between each different resource. Maybe seems a little arbitrary but gives purpose to each style of mining.
I want my base to be a tourist spot with hotels, entertainment and a theme park at the beach so that it supports my passenger and touring missions.
I want it to have a big rat as a mascot and I would call it Disnot Land.
I would love to do this, this is what my SC would be. But that seems like such a pipe dream. From this information, it just seems bases will be orgs farming materials and blowing each other up.
Im glad they made it so you cant be raided when youre offline. I really dont wanna come back from work a 16 hour shift and see my little shipping and distribution building exploded and gone.
Still sounds like you can be in low security areas, but not when there is permanent security!
You can be raided when offline. That's precisely what they just said.
@@pxkqdI don't think so. I don't think they want to be rust.
^THIS especially during the Summer Months for me, I work construction and my days can run up to 16 hours long! and I still have to shower/shave/sleep for the next day. IF Im gone a few days and I come back to a nightmare, I might loose the will to play!
If we have now 500 players on 8 servers in 2 systems. Than you have multiple shards in US East.
1:16:45 You're saying a new player can just steal a $600 Carrack ship and gain the benefits of a $600 ship? For free? This will never happen. CiG will not allow players to bypass the ship store. If for some reason cig decided this was going to happen, Stealing ships would have to be NPC ships since players never lose ships; I could just use an ALT account and steal from the other account to duplicate ships. Stealing and then re-registering ships will cost just as much money/ resources as crafting that ship. There will be no shortcuts in getting a ship hull. Cig makes too much money selling ships. I know you think paints and cosmetics will carry the game, and those things will help, but ships also sell. And they always will.
Everything that CIG said at CitizenCon in the marked video below at the time stamp implies a few things. Ships can be stolen. Ships can be marked as "stolen" implying that status can exist for some time. Ships can be wiped clean of their title and attributed to you. Take of that what you will. Sounds like they want to let players use ships they steal.
Video: ua-cam.com/video/WkMD3ZfDZus/v-deo.htmlsi=hFmFyuiqiVTfmxCI&t=2162
I mean its the laws of physics light travels only so fast... latency will always exist, there is no magical way around that, its a sad reality that the laws of physics and moores law is going to hold up back.
Yup
Exactly why the goal of One Global Shard was always pie in the sky. Regions should have no issue at all though. Hopefully this fragmented explanation is just short term.
Maybe have a pop-up or label on the base name that people see as soon as they look at the base letting them know it is currently immune to damage so people wouldn't waist ammo or money trying to attract it ...
Yeah that sounds a bit better
Should say shield protected if you scan the base.
I still want musical instruments with MIDI inputs like Rust so i can rock across the galaxy!!!
Or even like the instruments in Sea of Thieves, just a great thing for crew to mess around with during travel or idle time.
Everytime I get to play with midi in a game, I'm painfully limited in how many notes can be played at one time.
I hope they have a transaction ledger like EVE does. Anytime you buy/sell/do contracts it lets you go back over it.
I think at some point organizations will consolidate and have 2 12hr windows for defense. Otherwise time zone tanking or make the window
If you have to be on foot to find hand mineables, that's gonna suuuuck. But I don't really think that's what's happening. It sounded more like they meant that if you're in a Prospector, you can't break ROC size nodes (successfully, chances are you could destroy them easily), and the resources in a ROC size node can ONLY be found in ROC size nodes and so on. So if a crafting blueprint requires, eg. Aphorite, you'll have to find a cave to spelunk somewhere, because Prospectors and ROCs can't do that job. They might get you there, even locate them, but ya gotta hoof it to get the resource.
Got some concerns with how crafting components plus whatever iteration of the flight model we'll be on by then, along with things like armor and the introduction of thrusters and main engines etc.. being components themselves. They did mention the values that can be changed will be in a "set" range (would love to hear more on that), however with this initial tidbit of info, my brain start wondering; ok how does this look in actual live implementation? Are we going to start seeing Ares with close to light fighter tuning, or F8Cs with interceptor like tuning? Will there trade offs, and are those trade offs impactful enough?
A random thought (and maybe this is what their aiming for) I had was would a system where "Ship Frames" have a min & max performance for each flight characteristic value and crafting allows you to tune in that range and if you "Wanted" to go above that you risk "Ship Structure" failure for push the frame to hard. This makes the performance of a ship less unknown and possible easier to balance? From a pvp and even pve loop if you scan a ship maybe you can get some sort of info letting you know a ships been "Tuned", and if you have knowledge on ships you have a better understanding of its mins & max capabilities.
I really like to see a combined Vehicles Team & Crafting Teams live Q&A; if possible put down the initial ideas and acknowledge the initial issues they are potentially seeing.
For me the frustrating part is that after all this time it's still just ideas. In two years the new crafting dev will tell a different tale, but I am not convinced there will be much to show for it.
100%
this is how the sausage is made.
I don't think so. Crafting is a pretty new idea to the game, so it has taken a while. But many of the ideas from 2 years ago are being implemented, though some aren't.
It won't all happen, but I think we'll be able to put some of this through there paces in that time
@@SpaceTomatoToo I won't mind if I'm wrong, of course. I'm a huge fan of SC and even moreso the community, but the past year has really colored me cynical.
@@SpaceTomatoToo
"Crafting is a pretty new idea to the game"
The first mention of crafting in Star Citizen's development dates back to discussions during GDC 2013, where Chris Roberts elaborated on the game's economic systems. At that time crafting was discussed as a process intertwined with the economy, involving production at factories, resource gathering, and item creation. Players could own factories, process raw materials, and manufacture goods, which could then be sold or transported, creating opportunities for collaboration and trade.
New idea to the game?? sorry friend, but for those of us in from the start who have good memories, it isn't. And I have no doubt you will be hearing about it ad infinitum in the form of plans and proposals and preparations for at least another 3 to 5 years by which time what they want to do will have been rehashed and said again in 500 different ways without anything concrete to show for it or something rudimentary bare bones scaled back 500 miles from what was said today being released in that regard.
Which reminds me I wonder how that event generating dynamic economy is coming along that was shown off 5 years ago and still hasn't materialised. And as for folks who both don't play in orgs and could not give a crap about them, well they are crap out of luck as the entire focus as per citcon has now been shifted from interactions with the world & NPC's to interactions generated by player to player contact via this org base guff that to me feels like it was shoved in to provide a misdirection from all they have failed to accomplish and to soften rampant disappointment over there vastly scaled back 1.0 release which they tried to sell to all as if it was bigger than promised via a corporate PR managed talk on stage.
I have no more faith left to give, neither do many others according to funding. I would love to be wrong, I really would, but history is my guide, not belief on empty ever shifting promises and proposals.
I would love to see a video about nyx, castra and terra
Pretty sure Thorston just mis-spoke when he was initially talking about different mining professions only finding their rocks - then he clarified what he meant by saying they will just have different materials. We need to remember that half of these devs do not speak English as their first language and have a little more understanding in that regard I think.
That design is great until ... you have an org that stacks "their" shard with max pop, so that you cannot get enough of your team onto their shard to attack. Which has indeed happened in certain PvP games with various linked shards. Pack it, and there are not enough player spots for attackers, done.
I wonder how storing illegal substances work? If I have a storage facility in high security so it can’t be attacked and I smuggle in drugs how will the UEE react and or know that it’s there on base especially if it’s only stored and not sold on base
so basically in the future all mining areas and or resource zones is going to have 400k bases and guilds fighting over them GREAT
I really don't like hard cuts between resources ... because if you need space iron to make a prospector, if you are on a planet you could never make it. There *should* be some resources that are specific, nothing wrong with saying gems are best by hand, gas is by Starfarer only, and huge rocks are space only because you need immense power. But a real prospector can hand harvest a sample of bauxite etc to analyse to see if the site is worth building a mine on, it would make no sense to say "this is hand mineable iron only" - while adding in base building for base miners, which are entirely separate again from the hand/vehicle/space mining gameplay styles.
If the base is that big and there are that many people in a single area , dynamic server meshing 2 should break down the area into multiple shards. ( say like the interior of the all the buildings become a single shard)
That would make this tactic far more difficult for a org to pull off
Bases have layered defenses. A MOAB would never reach it.
A blue print is a Blue print you either have it or you don't so if you know how to make something how can you only know it once ?
its easy to steal the ship ( Carrack ) you just crew it for someone and then knock them out and fly the ship off.
Crafting Level you will find it that there is no point upgrading a low level item you wait until you get the best quality and then upgrade that , but then store it as you will be to scared to use it in case you die someplace and someone else finds it.
Balancing the ships is easy once they have a base line with each and a max then all the different levels and quality can just fit in the two . eg ship x speed is 200m/s base max with the highest level 400m/s every different stages will fit in that range
A lot of what there doing with blue prints and crafting is extreamly similar to fallout 76
Base raiding at 10 server fps
Darth Tomater!!! 😱😱😱🤣
What a bummer. Hearing they've seemingly given up on not only one global shard, but even on unifying regions is not hype. Not hype at all.
I like most of what I hear about crafting and base building though. This system sounds pretty immersion-breaking and not very SC in some ways, but there's an argument to be made that it actually kinda delivers on the longtime goal of not being able to differentiate between players and NPCs. Just instead of making NPCs so good they seem human, they're dumbing down player bases to seem like NPCs. lol
You Can attack another players base even if its on another shard. It sounds like IF they are on another shard you will get a Prompt that tells you the owner is on another shard what they didn't say is it will probably ask you if you want to switch to that shard so you CAN attack their base. This seems to be the Rule for Lawful systems and in unlawful anything goes it seems.
Bases in lawful systems will be protected by planetary shields as well as quick spawn aim bot NPC security- hence no resources and high taxes. Meaning you cannot attack it even if they are online. But that's what I've put together- not a fact. Unlawful systems will fight over base shields each week(?) and the winners will be invulnerable from attack.
Thats wrong.
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Why is this video 2 hours
Cause I was talking
Not really interested they can’t even get elevators to work. This will be broken for years. Real shame
its an alpha, elevators are broken at times because its an alpha you don't polish an alpha you build it out test and test and test until you settle on a final major goal then you start working fixing everything.
That is how every major project works
Also elevators… they are the most challenging thing you can attempt in a game engine.
There is a reason why SP games move the world around the player and not the player through the world.
@@ferenctoka If they would have made massive stations where elevators and hangars were physically accurate where the elevators were aligned with the path of the hangar and not 1km off to the right or left then they could have just built stairs. Seems silly that they tout a persistent world yet the magic elevator just beams you to a hangar. Might as well just use a loading screen and forgot all the fancy stuff. I’ve never seen anyone land at area18 while looking out the window at one of the many hangars. Maybe I’m just unlucky but it seems like that magic doesn’t exist.
@@joeynuggetzarea 18 isn't very popular atm. Better luck elsewhere.
Mouth breather comment lmao
World of Warcraft came up with something called Phasing. in which an area was changed for one person, but different for another. and you entered them without a loading screen. If shards worked like phases where you seamlessly transition to them I don't see a problem.
Sure, but the way he described it doesn't sound seamless if there's an actual prompt. Opposite of seamless really.
All speculation
Yep, it will completely change again in 2 more years.
10 minutes in and out already sounds like they are far too ambitious with their plans, I feel like they'll make the same mistakes star wars galaxies did and kill the game by making everything accessible by everyone right out of the tutorial
What did you hear that made you say that? The cross shard attacks?
More like that the base is available on all shards for trading but then only on one for raiding. If I'm picking up cargo to sell in one shard but the base is being attacked in another shard, what does that mean for me, how can it exist in 2 places at once? What does that mean for the owners of the base defending? Later on someone mentioned missions to and from the base, of that's true then it would complicate things even more.
The base building in general is a sensitive topic for me as it seems like it's just one more thing to make it super easy for a lone player to do everything with just as much ease as an org. Galaxies died because everything was easily achieved.
I think they are a very long, long way from getting base building to work like they won't, but I'm worried they'll rush it and it'll be a ruined mess that will push players away
Can't wait for them to start selling starter bases and capital bases.
So more or less... they are copying the way fleet Carriers work in Elite Dangerous.
Its all bullsh@@t! 12 years and still not all carrer gameplay are at least tier 0. No fuel can be harvested, repair, rearm,refuel are useless by player,medic=moving spawnbed,stealth have no counter,E-war when? And so on...everything well designed,planned 12 year ago like now for crafting. Thrust is lost.
Sounds like a thruster repair is needed
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not.,.. lol that was ME!!!!🤪😜
CIG - clueless comnpany
Agreed! Who should do it instead? Blizzard? EA? Ubisoft?
They have provided you with Years of crying. That has to count for something. A target for your righteous tears.