MAX SHIELD! Sion + Shields = RAID BOSS | Hard Carrying doomed games
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2022
- Using the Max shield Sion build to hard carry against doomed solo q games. Like the video, if you learned anything and or enjoyed the content!!
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huh... if you take a buff as sion while dead you get to keep it? That's interesting
and a new sion main was born
Always worked like that :D
Normally you would lose it when you die, but since you are already dead there is nothing in the code to clear the buff
Same with runes if you have CD on phase rush it will be ready again in passive
Works with Karthus too
All the things Tilt says about Udyrs (getting mad, being greedy) just bring Trick to mind. I can imagine Trick finding 2 camps taken at lvl 1 and saying "you dead!" and mindlessly ganking after
OhhhhhKAY!
I think the point you made at 20:50 is actually even stronger than you explained it from a tank soaking damage for carry PoV, 1900 damage to you with these items is going to be larger numbers to a carry to take, resistances make the shield stronger (not including true damage threats but still) .
Great tips and very educational as always love how you really get into the 'why' in how you play :)
Even though im an adc main, i absolutely love these kind of videos. Full uncut game and also detailed explanation is just free coaching to climb
Yeah but he missed the cannon and cut the video 😀
Just play sion adc
dont play adc until you are plat, or you have a friend, then its ok
@@moriyasanae8130hoevb
You getting executed at 7:15, just did a lot of emotional damage to the Udyr.
I'm glad that I learned Sion from you~
Tilterella- "Lv5 honor is impossible." Also Tilterella- "those two are problem players". only gets 2 honors after hard carrying the game. Jokes aside love the videos, miss the streams though.
i'm almost level 4 honor!
@@Tilterella Play Morgana please
ure the kinda guy to insult all teammates all game and then wonder why noone honors you when you carry
@@toniokettner4821 forces a fight in enemy jungle at 12:40, spam pings Ahri (who he already "wrote off" as unreliable), types "MOVE" like anyone can mind-read and then cries. We can't get better unless we acknowledge our own bad plays and poor communication. And i noticed his spam pinging also encouraged the Diana to flame and spam ping. This kind of behavior and encouragement is what makes the league community so awful.
@@SereneSimian ahri has no reason to be in this elo if she doesn't move there right away.
the guy at the end is so mad that he lost all rational thought and tried to pretend sion is good into kallista
Lmfao
Thats what they do to me every other day. They say stuff like "imagine losing to kalista with sion"
@@Nate-wn2ef oh yeah coz its not a rational, well thought argument, its a manchildren baby raging lmao
My personal experience is having 1.5kk mastery on aatrox and playing only norms basically and getting people to say shit to me about it every 5 games or so, honestly i just wanted to hide my mastery
@@yankokassinof6710 my experience ia that normala are almost unplayable 😂
Dude, this Senna was doing a really good job throughout the game. You complained about her for example at 17:00 but literally that's the best moves she could have done to help out
she played well in the fight, but every time she auto attacked udyr instead of kalista was a missplay
@@sackofmarbles4174 She aaed the kali whenever the kali was the same distance as udyr but she was scared to walk up when the udyr was there. At the end she did but it was too late. I wouldn't necessary say she did anything wrong as udyr would definitely attack senna if she got close. It's the same argument as why kali focused the sion instead of sena? cus the sion wanted to kill kali and udyr wanted to kill sena.
Basically, I don't think it's reasonable to expect a marksman to just walk past the enemy frontline to aa the enemy backline.
@@sackofmarbles4174 but if she tries to auto kalista instead of udyr, udyr is going to go on her and just kill her, since kalista was always behind udyr
The anathemas buy made this fight hard, she is basically a ranged tank at this point if the game and has hardly any dmg to provide, and she didn’t use her HP bar to fight with sion, even if Udyr starts to focus her it will take some time to kill her but it also gives sion more time to act. From hindsight as soon as sion stuns kali here and senna roots her she needs to walk up and ignore the udyr 17:16
9:40 something that happens to me quite frequently even as a jungler on low Elo. We kill 2 ppl are botside and have mid and not pushing and drake is up. So I go drake ping help and …. 0 out of 3 ppl come to help to mindlessly push towers that are still being protected , not even the supp comes who should not share a plating. Then I take like 40 secs for drake, enemies respawned and kill me at drake when it has 1,3 k health left. Take drake and kill my now responding over extended lanes.
I can’t tell you how many times this happened. Recently lost a 5vs4 game bc of it (luckily normal though).
look at their wave state sometimes it works to just go mid and push with them and then drag (works in plat no idea wath you are). just to be clear dont autommaticly do it look at al the factors or how you wanne cal it else they wil get mad and you just made an enemy of your midlaner (write in chat and not last hitting most of the minions also help with taht)
Actually your fault then.
You need to help push and ping Drake and adc. If he doesn't come take his farm and base.
@@twolfblue5695 You're asking for a griefer with this strat.
It's your fault for staying on drake when you knew you'd get no help. Just ward it and move on with your clear/base.
@@louisrobitaille5810 You see I was thinking the whole time that when I do drake and ping until my pings are blocked that one would actually make up their mind to come and help with objective. Also if I stay with the I also die overextended. when I leave they still die overextended and again they get drake. THe way I played it out only made it worse in regard of me dying there. Again they died AFTER the enemy killed me at drake, so they had full vision etc. over the whole situation. Because my team was very behind (including a 0/9 top) the only way to play that game was by going for objectives. Not taking unnecessary fights. But again its probably hard to judge for someone who was not in the game. At the same time I probably also made enough mistakes that someone else could point out when rewatching. Generally my problem was to be the engage tank (voli) whiilst all carries and sidelaner were just constatnly dying in many random fights. If I'd played yi or would have opted for a more agressive build from the start I might have been able to carry. THhis way I was deemed to watch, as I also could not face an 12/0 aatrox with 3 antitank items.
That kalista at the end was like "why won't you die?!"
Tilterella: Shields build son
Lore accurate Sion
thanks for all the knowledge and mental lessons Tilterella, you are amazing dude!!
I really like these commentary gameplays more than music clips personally. Helps me learn while being entertaining
I think I'm gonna go ahead and take Ahri's side in this? The herald fight she would have had to walk past Akali to get there since she was pushed into tower.
And during the fight in red buff you took a fight in enemy jg without vision, so expecting her to go there (after you already marked her as unreliable) aint a smart move
That Arhi with 0 braincells and Caitlyn spamming emotes everytime he dies or it's pinged. Jesus.
carrying that ahri and Caitlyn was legendary, it's good you recorded such a hard game
Love the vids, the explaining really helps, also nice music choice ;)
The red alert music is so sick… such a good game omgggg
Besides that I actually felt tilted watching this. I’ve got weak mental lol.
That execute was amazing!
Think quick, act faster.
i love that Tilterella said "i just wont rely on Ahri anymore" then goes into enemy jungle and does the surprised Pikachu face when Ahri rotates insanely late :P
gg though fun video to watch
when I say that I mean i'd never directly try a 2v2 with Ahri
@@Tilterella nah i figured it just made me laugh at the time haha
This Ahri is the most cooperative mid laner lmao
i enjoy watching your gameplay, you are like the king of invade top
Best sion tips for me. Made me play well agaisnt most match ups i face at top lane
Hey Tilty bby. Love the streams and videos. Keep up the spice bruv
i actually thought i had pressed my red alert music bookmark, untill i paused your video and i realised it came from it xD
YES. Comin back from work to get tilted feels good man.
How many of your cheeses would be workable for mid sion, I presume the early game ones are out of the question? Also will definitely try this build at some point, cheers!
ye not many cause the lanes too short and minions reach mid lane faster
This the big balls sion build. You go in like you have the most massive cohonas on runtera. And also the shields are balls lmao
I’ve been having a lot of fun with tanks lately. Typically malph and cho. Sneaking baron pre 20 min with a damage jungle duo. Surprising both the enemy and our team. Feels good
You missed the chance to put on your thumbnail: "Shielded damage: Yes"
I've been experimenting with stoneplate on Poppy recently. The base item is good on its own for the stats and the active is so good for baiting or tanking burst. I've found it especially good for champs (Like Poppy and Sion) which have shields in their kits since it can give you enough time to get yet another shield.
Or ones that have healing like maokai. Also good for engagers
you didnt go for shild bash - the rune as shown in the runes from the start of the video, beacuse you can see your demolish on tower ....
weird and true but into this match id always go shield bash.
It combos really nicely with the sheen proc
i like these videos more than your montage. but both are great
Glad you like them!
Same. It's nice to see how the game progresses after his great early plays and how he keeps things together when they look bad. The cheese montages are huge endorphin spikes though XD
@@junova7503 true the montages are very good too
Everyone in league: the only one I trust with gold is me.
tilt and baus, both oi oi oi players. and I love them both
"I am just blocking any damage from going onto Diana."
He says as he is the furthest player on his team from Diana.
ngl That Camille Recall was cool AF
Can you link the setuper channel, soft and track, so you don't have to color and rena 3 tis ? Btw aweso video!
hey tilt, ive been struggling with heralds lately. i shove the wave in but by the time i kill the thing, ive lost a wave of exp :( what do i need to do differently?
Midlaner forgot how to mid
I really like your videos
20:36 had me laughing so hard 'what rank is this'
Pls upload more full games with commentary!!
What to do about my early cheese for the buffs? I wait for 1:30 to approach their buff from the blind sight and ward the bush...just to notice the side laners leash until the end? So I waste my TP without doing something?
should try this with fimblewinter too
does demonic plus firefrost gauntlet spacing strat against skirmisher is good ?
So after is there a place to fit that mana tank item that also gives shields? Funble WInter or how its called. In general I often have mana troubles on Sion, so an item that gives shields and builds out if a tear sounds very nice.
I’m not a fan of that item
If you have mana issues on Sion - and I learned that watching Tilt play him over the years - you're overusing mana.
I noticed that he tried to be at the right place, and the fight time, doing the right thing. Meaning you use most of your mana in a short amount of time, and your fights are short. So you don't end up using a lot of mana, with fights taking long, so you're left with not enough time for regen or for the max mana to last. So he does, for example, something like pushing a wave, so he can back to base, have full mana, and then he ults. Or he doesn't chase enemies and tries to Q them a lot - he positions himself such that there's a great moment to use his Q - and only *then* he uses it.
It's easy to buy that item, but if you have enough skill, there are better items. If you have the skill.
Generally it's a skill of resource management and use with Champs, and it takes both good micro and macro skills.
I'm not a Sion main, but maybe an early Tear might help you as kind of "training wheels", giving you more mana so even if you sometimes don't have the most efficient use of it, you still have some extra more. And you could sell it later when it matters less.
hahah bro im out of word you make this shit happend!!! love it
12:42 “ahri~! ahri~! ahri~!!”
"Let's offend guy, who is not playing well. After this he will suddenly improve own skills." - this logic is terryfing me.
i forget the names but the bottom of the green rune tree the max hp rune is more advantageous for this build than the 5-10% shield buff rune?
if you have Shielding supports it's gonna be better to get that shield buff like karma but not without cause keep in mind bonus health = bigger shield too
how come tilterella is posting daily, i love it tho
If dragon was taken during your fight top then Diana rotating over to herald before they were even on it would have been better. Diana was slacking.
Tbh I don’t think it’s Diana slacking? There are 3 people bot doing drake. Akali has mid prio thus Ahri can’t move.. I really feel like Tilt is wrong here and he can’t just force this because he can move
Ahri had priority in that moment and could either a. push wave move, or leave wave and move.
both options means udyr cant take rift for free and id arrive in time to completely stop it or win it entirely
@@zeeebass4061 tilt is right if you watch the clip ahri is either always moving really late or mispositioning really bad :/
@@2TheMaxKing2 classic low ELO lack of awareness + bad prioritizement
I've seen that so many times. If I were Tilt I'd, after TPing, I'd have rushed to the plant and then to Udyr, so I could have delayed him while Ahri pushes, and worse case scenario bait him and potential team mates of his that would have come to mid lane, which would have given Ahri enough time to push.
If at that point of the game I thought she wasn't good enough to react in that situation, I'd have TPd to her lane, push, then go top, preventing her from wasting time by pushing. We heard the Herald hitting the wall, so in that situation I'd have known there's time to push with her, so I'd have time to crash the wave with her.
If there were lots of people there and I thought they'd take the bait, I'd have gone there to bait them to chase me and leave Herald (which I would probably survive, being high UP and by keeping a distance and juking). All of that would give enough time for Ahri to push and come help me.
i tought max shields was gonna be something like fimbulwinter visage gargoyle's with shield bash or something
For me my play style with Sion is win or lose lane TP or get near lane and help others lanes with Ultimate
When the terrible support says "Sup gap" at the end...
They weren't terrible imo. Just not great either and had a lot of catching up to do from a bad start. Still def not a sup gap even if the amumu was... also not great.
I really liked the build, think Im going to try it. But why Sunfire against Frostfire?
dont go frostfire with this build :P
@@Tilterella But why, thats my question, Gives you more life and size
Would revitalize be worth it?
So this is *THE GIGACHAD SION* build
Blizz like it 🤣
is demonic good on sion?
I don't think he knows that every Ahri on your team is boosted and the enemy is from a cult of Faker wannabes.
I wonder why the bone plating poped when Sion revived at 1:37, is it a bug or something?
it being sion... probably yeah. Sions always been a buggy mess.
is this build "suboptimal" though?
if a team were to have alot of true damage is that a max shield build game? does high burst team comp count as well?
I've given you some fundamental parameters but it wont cover all so its best to just test it out and find what works for you
@@Tilterella alright thank u
Rift battle with blind teammates is frustrating
Teamside Red fight in 22:20 is sad as well. Sion tanked everything
awesome game
I was going to ask for it too but the video I saw it was years old so I didnt want to ask for it on a new video
inspiring
yea these strategies are so effective, I even use them as the adc, while getting flamed by everyone, butstay in the game. Sometimes i get bad/salty supports, and a jger who camps me. Nooothing I can do, but get creative. Switch up the style on them, even if i die, it should be at least a trade or a 1 for 3.
I thought he was smurfing till I saw masters at the end.
"WHAT RANK IS THIS?!?" xD
Also, that's a toxic build. ;)
What about fimbulwinter?
Its a weird question, but does Red buff work on Zombie form?
I don't see any reason why it shouldn't
Pretty sure it does.
I noticed a strange bug, but it may be just problem with keyboard. Sion's combo E+Q sometimes just sets Q on cd without charging, not even dealing dmg to minions right in front of him. E+Q+W insec has even more chance of that happening. Have anyone else experience that?
I sent ticket few times, with no response ofc.
Happens on both EUNE and EUW servers
Im a low elo Oce player and i am frustrated at your Ahri and cait XD
apreciate it
sion gang
sion
pls, make a guide whot figth vs riven :(
you fight Riven with the ban
@@deivybarquerovargas1032 i dont understand o.O
why shields vs true dmg? doesnt true dmg go through the shields?
no. true damage ignores armor so the only way to deal with true damage is either a lot of hp (if its %health true damage like vayne w, fiora R then hp doesnt work) or shields and shields gives a lot more value than health in these situations
@@haytamhaytam7227 oh ok thx
Am i going crazy or do i just slightly hear ratchet and clank music in the background occasionally in the video.
Shri was pissing me off
Gg
Can you run this build against a fiora ?
You can but i'd skip the sheen
@@Tilterella I see ..
Btw ill keep my word (comment+like in every video you upload ) to fix yt shitty algorithm :)
the camille was bad af lol, she could have kill sion easily if she had landed the Q, man sucks to be sion when facing camille and her bullsh true dmg
Can you clear raptors with W start? It gives 35 HP, plus 15 from red, which is 134 gold vaue. Might be worth it if you know there is no risk.
You must be new to the game. welcome.
Problem of kalista. Even destroying botlane she has no dmg))
Why is your team always bronze ?
If you really want lvl5 honor just honor anyoneo after a game. It doesn't matter who just do it. Occasionally abandon a queue won't affect it.
20:35 WHAT rank is this... Yes what rank is that? WTF?!?
You guys know Doaenel. He said something good. In his words that's what he said if I can recall it all. " Fk you for putting all your trust in your teammates , don't expect anything from them. Don't go 10-0 lose the game then blame your mid or adc with 12 deaths. Don't expect them to carry you. You must call the shoots you must improve yourself at the point where you don't expect them to do something useful. Don't tilt. Thank them fo inting. Cuz now u can learn everything from this experience " ppl probably will say that's the wrong mentality but he also said he doesn't care about win
He rather has a diamond 1 account stuck with 40% winrate then having a challenger account with 90% winrate and getting carried each game. Cuz he loves to carry and call the shoots. He said is your fault for expecting something from your teammates. He also says the mentality of people saying "unlucky" is a bull shit. There is no such thing as unlucky. But there is a play better. Improve more. Now I'm not saying you don't play good far from it. But is just the mentality. I love Doaenel and I like your content too. Always spicy content something to keep you on edge so just take it with a grain of salt.
16:48
Ahri was such a dog, i bet she had music playing in the background too, hate players like that. god damn
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Tell me what you want ahri to do. At herald fight she has wave under her tower that she cant just give, so of course she's going to be late. At that red buff skirmish, she has no R, as well has having another wave under her tower, so how does she actually do anything? Is this maybe something we can look at before going into fights. "Can my mid move?"
I already rewatched twice and agreed will my in game assessment of the situation. Ahri is slow on rotations.
She is extremely indecisive and that’s why it’s an issue. She half assed all her rotations and never made a direct choice. U can see it in her pathing on the red, and rocking up after rift has been killed.
@@Tilterella But you guys are spam pinging her to move. If she has any respect for you, and your pings go directly against her own decisions, of course she's going to be confused on what to do. Another note, when you see Ahri not moving, (which is incorrect of course) couldn't you then make the decision to not move to herald?
@@retrozing1 the rift herald 9\10 is coming to my lane and will give camile the win even if she lost lane. It's worth fighting for - it also gives local gold now worth more than the wave ahri is afraid to give up.
First !
First
Just don't build this vs zeri
I don’t think it’s okay that sion still gets red though after dying. Should rework that
So his passive shouldn't deal damage to towers, or other structures, also shouldnt be able to keep red, aaaand why not make it so his passive can't collect gold on minions too. May aswell delete it all together.