Always good to hear this man share his experience. As a complete DIY FILMmaker myself I have a lot of resentment for executives and producers I've worked with in the past. I understand they are people but their culture that they've created is a massive barrier to productive creation. It SEEMS, for the most part, "Do what I say, not what I do." They will nickle-and-dime you to the cheapest rate while having a helicopter fly in Starbucks for their third afternoon break. Not saying they all do that but I've seen enough to make my blood boil on sets.
The Private Sector imported most of the aristocratic mental sensibilities that were purged from pop culture in the wake of the Revolutionary War. So these executives are inheritors of a culture where money makes the class, not the breeding, and the class requires a certain egomania for self-esteem. So they see that helicopter ride as necessary to embody and telegraph their worth while the people on set must use less because they are lesser; if they weren't, they'd be in his profession.
Try "do you want to the movie to turn out good or do you want it to turn out looking cheap?" next time you have an argument like that. Update us on how it worked because I'm genuinely curious lol
The most surprising part of this interview was that a Hollywood studio not just considered but even went through with consulting someone whose relationship with and understanding of money is much more grounded in reality in contrast to the suits. There's no doubt in my mind that every big Hollywood studio production could save at least 10 to 25 percent on their budget.
Saving on gift baskets and hotels is a fine, but you need to pay the crew union rates, feed the crew well, have a zero screaming policy and have a safe working environment. Proper pre production time, location scouting, and as few location moves as possible will save money.
Agreed. I was just saying that producers should treat the crew well with above scale rates, shorter hours and a proper turn around from small budgets to large budgets. . I have worked on shows that stepped over dollars to pick up pennies due to poor planning and if you add that to not treating the crew well it will likely lead to a bad outcome and safety issues.
Yes, and in the current context of the union strikes, it's kind of sickening to see studios trying to save money by not paying the people who actually make the movies properly, while spending £5k on a gift basket for a star or flying people around on private jets. Oh, your star actors won't perform well if they're not treated right? Well neither will your supporting actors, your extras, your writers, your stunt performers. And treating somebody right doesn't mean wasting money on things nobody actually cares about.
Hollywood is secretly wanting to spend way less money but make huge profit and I feel like if a studio gives an opportunity to you to make a film successful under a low budget it can be your break. I love how he explains things a lot of people got Hollywood misconstrued just have to understand the game of it all and you can make it
I think since the pandemic, most everything going to streaming, and those that do go theaters only making less than $200mm domestic and the fact that China doesn't like playing ball with American movies playing in their country will nip the tent pole budget significantly.
"WHAT WAS THE MOST SURPRISING PART OF THIS INTERVIEW?" - None of it! Shane, to me, you are my brother from another mother. I say that because everything you said in this interview was everything I learned and observed on the sets, of those big studio productions of which I worked on for years. I ended up choosing the indie film maker route after all of that. Running on fear and fighting on set is not my cup of tea. And I have gotten much farther going the indie way. (Listening to my own gut instinct) I won't put up with grown ups on my set, ranting and fighting in front of everyone like an unruly 13 yr.old brat. COMMON SENSE! YES! AND ENOUGH WITH THE DARN MEETINGS....delay, delay, dealay! Thats what that is! And it smells like fear to me. Anyhow, as always, I look forward to your next/latest interview. Alexis : )
Thank you Alexis. Appreciate the kind words and always great to hear from another "defector" Keep it shinny side up and DO YOUR THING! You'll be glad you did!
I'm certain he was talking about the Star Wars prequels here. Phantom Menace did incredibly well in the box office despite not being as well liked. The final prequel Revenge of The Sith came out in 2006 around the time of the movie he was talking about
The most surprising part of this interview was his reference to the director that punched a movie exec, Phil Joanou. The most surprising thing was when I looked at Joanou’s wiki page he directed a horror movie in 2016 that was written by Robert Ben Garant, who may be best known as Deputy Travis Junior on Reno 911! Now I need to find this movie.
I'm just so happy to be walking away from this industry. Worked in post for the past 6 years now as an offline editor. Don't get me wrong, I still love editing and have the utmost respect for actors and many people who work on the industry, but I got into this growing up loving movies. I just want to go back loving films as an art because I hate the business of film and TV.
But the business side of film is what brings in the money to cater for the cost of making film. I know for a fact that editors charge very expensively for their services and they also use very expensive softwares to do their job. That money has to come from the business side of film. Business requires certain rules or else money gets lost and that is how investors endup loosing money and employees end up not getting paid. I also got into film because i grew up loving films but the reality of making films is different from being a kid watching Die Hard or Terminator2 or Baby's day out.... i have to separate the two
@@arfenmalik1717 Dude, You LIKE Hollywood. it a fact now your defending them while pretending like you understand our despise for it. I rather struggle to gain financial backing than stick my ass out and let them spank me
@@smithydavis1033 the moment you decide to get financial backing you have to be aware it will come with terms n conditions. I don't know which world you leave in where there seems to be no terms n conditions. Am a finance student so i do understand the business model of Hollywood... am not speaking from a conspiracy reasoning
From listening to him about where the issues were when making savings, it seemed things relating to actors and their contracts are points of concern along with the post-production of these movies. It seems like people who are trying to create wealth such as actors; the public feels as though they deserve or should get all the perks they want. While the production company is searching globally on how to make 20 Mil on a 100 Mil or 200 Mil budget. I have sympathy for these companies and for the actors, no one is having it easy. But the public is unaware of these sorts of problems since people only know the actors and hear them when they scream fire. While production companies are seen as having infinite wealth. Sure production companies have other avenues to make money as well but actors want a part of that money and so there goes a chunk of it that can help you cover the budget. There is a lack of understanding from people for sure.
@@benjamingentile1660 The first one had a budget of $180 mil. The second was $225 mil and the third came in at $155 mil which comes in pretty close with what is being talked about here specifically the "saving $50 mil".
People make movies in Winnipeg for as low as $10,000.00 CDN. Canada has film grants that will pay back over 50% of the cost of the filming as well as post-production. Sean Penn comes to Winnipeg regularly to shoot movies.
BTW I just watched Entropy 1999. Thanks for the valuable mention. I loved the film. The legendary band U2 played a pivotal role in it, unexpected. Also took notice at the lighting and editing. It's Sooo 90's! Especially the music, I loved it. Was it filmed in super 16mm?
If it would be on me, i'd book basic accomodation for actors, just like for everyone, normal air tickets, etc. They are payed pretty well, so they can pay for private jets, and $5k rooms if they want. Gift basket is nice, especially if it's something personal. Doesn't have to be crazy expensive, just find out something creative.
@@bobrew461 Many big actors would work if the hotel room was of a good size and was clean. You could get a great rooms for less than $1000 a night in many cities.
That’s all a good point however the actor’s Union forces producers to at least fly em “business class” unless it’s not available. Those are additional costs but yes many actors will accept decent accommodations along with crew as long as their not sharing a room usually. You never know unless ya ask 😊
@@officialshanestanley That's fine then, if it's applicable to all actors, i'd consider that normal ticket. :) Big names are just used to their asses being licked shiny, knowing (thinking) that productions need them more badly than they need to get work. If producers would ignore the celebs with these crazy demands, and spend some time&money to find new talents, it could be better for the industry. The next generation would be a lot more reasonable, i think.
They cost so much because they use big name big reputation actors as the draw because they don't trust audiences will watch their movie without it. And because marketing makes up about half the budget of most hollywood movies. Without those two things it's actually not very expensive to make a movie when you're just talking about real tangible costs.
Google Greg Norman straw golf hats. Or go to a local purveyor of hats They'll know and can order one for you... If you have a fat head that needs a 10 gallon and not the usual 7.25 size.😁
That you couldn’t cut into overspending, while the project itself didn’t have the returns to justify it. At some point tightening the belt is necessity.
A person who is supposedly smart wears a hat indoors. You're not Indiana Jones so just stop with the hat. And even Indie has the sense to take it off indoors because he knows it's rude to keep it on.
Finally got some of my questions answered about why these films cost so much to make! But I'm kind of bewildered by it at the same time. How can the studios be so focused on profit, while at the same time being so wasteful with expenditure? Profit has two components, the in and the out. If you focus only on the in then you're going to make a loss. It's business 101, how are they missing this?! They need to get Gordon Ramsay in. Chefs, even at superstar level, are all about preventing waste. There's no question of focusing only on revenue and to hell with expenditure. That's how restaurants go bust.
The movie industry is still held in Hollywood but it is slowly being decentralized. Major studios are using all the visual effects they can to hold onto the market (working with superhero movies) but it's just a matter of time before that trend fades as well. With production technology becoming affordable and accessible by independent movie makers with streaming and online distribution, the days of big Hollywood will be changing and won't be like it used to be.
@buzzcrushtrendkill All I can say is the movie industry and the entertainment industry as a whole might become extremely rare when consumers gets technology that can create almost anything with their minds with a flip of a switch like Star Trek Holodeck one day. Ancient filmmaking movie magic might as well be a thing of the past by then. Lol.
We are in an unprecedented age where tentpole films are bombing at a much more frequent rate than years past. Everyone currently in power has a golden parachute, but their successors may need to learn how to spend money more wisely.
Yeah I somewhat liked Zack Snyder's Justice League for being a bit of an anomaly in certain ways, but other than that I haven't seen one good big Hollywood movie since covid yet. (I haven't seen The Suicide Squad yet)
@@bighands69 That was happening before COVID but now studios will not spend the money to put what they see as a flop, into cinemas. Even though they don't need physical prints anymore, which should make distributing movies cheaper...
An artist's vision should never be trusted with an existing property. The Last Jedi is a good example of what happens when an artist has too much control.
Not true. Christopher Nolan’s Batman trilogy was 100% his visions and look how that turned out. It’s all about if the film is well written or not. The last Jedi wasn’t even that bad tho.
lol. The studios failed to run successful small indie movie outfits that can turn a huge amount of profit for very little investment (see Big Night) and nurturing talent and establishing relationships. Hence movies are dead.
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@@officialshanestanley great reply! Now I really want to know what movie this was:P. Writing and making films has always been a passion of mine that’s never gotten out of my imagination. It’s nice to know people like you are around
@@josephsteward3166 Well, the level of trust I was given, was because I never "kiss and tell". I will give you a hint, the trilogy won an Oscar or two. Best of luck on your journey, take deep breaths along the way. Fear not, Joseph - you've got this! Continued success.
@@officialshanestanley I figured that was the case, that’s why I didn’t push too hard. I think I know the trilogy just from the way you described it, but can’t be sure Thank you for the encouragement, it’s hard to know what will happen but it’s something I’ve never been able to shake off or get out of my head, maybe one day it will happen. Good luck to you, I feel like true filmmakers like you get the short end of the stick many times but it’s satisfying seeing someone do something they’re passionate about and be successful at it, thanks for all the insight in your interviews and comments
To make it great destroy the business aspect. Make these artists stand out and make no money doing it. Stop treating actors like pampered princes. Give them nothing - see what they could come up with.
I don't understand why they can't budget, get fresh talent - not indy, just smart - for the medium. Let it rest on the film not politics and actors, not trying to please everyone, no innovation other than creativity. We still talk about the great directors who had nothing and made money in the good ol days. The studio should work like a home base for multiple projects based on innovation without tech. Passion like Coppola if he had to work on a shoestring, they should limit the cash flow to bring the fire out of these people to be creative like a colony of artists in the studios - no vegan catering, rather, peanut butter sandwiches.
The main thing that needs to happen, but I don't know how it will happen, is for Hollywood, CA to lose its monopoly status as pretty much the only market that can produce high end, high quality films. There should be a "Hollywood" in every major city IMO - Seattle, Chicago, Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, you name it. There have been some cracks happening in that direction in the last couple of decades or so, but for now it's mainly just independent film and still not the huge industry like in L.A. and New York. You can have doctors, lawyers, engineers, and just about every other profession in every city, why not big moviemaking in every market?
@@ebinrock what we truly need are more people smoking pipes, wearing slick hats, slacks with suspenders, am I right?! A t-shirt used to be considered underwear, it's like everyone walking around in their underwear. And women in jeans has got to go, unless they do the farm thing. Come on Dale, put your cat clothes on!
A yes exploit the one department that doesn’t have any union protections. Really ethical there man. Why don’t you get rid of some of those 6-7 figure “producers” that don’t do anything
@@qnms101 Shows quite the mathematical understanding there buddy boy. Good luck out there in the real world. Call me when you’ve seen a few episodes of shark tank or gain even a basic understanding of how venture capital functions in regards to film production.
That hat. I wasn’t going to say anything about his hat but others noticed so I guess I’m not alone. With his hair in the back and the hat combined, I cannot imagine this gentleman full of wisdom without a leaf blower doing someone’s yard. He’s not the kind of guy that does yards because he can’t find anything better to do. Rather, he enjoys being outdoors, doesn’t want to deal with “suits” and wants his work day to end (and actually start for himself) when the sun goes down. He looks like the kind of guy who works to live, rather than living to work. The hat or the hair alone don’t give him this vibe. It is only the two together in combination, like Indiana Jones’ hat and his whip in combination. (Except a leaf blower instead.) Thanks for the filmmaking wisdom Mr. Stanley. (p.s. I used to be a professional landscaper and yard mower. I still own a leaf blower. I now do tractor / excavation work and I really enjoy working outdoors so the only thing that has changed is that I now operate larger equipment. Maybe there could be a movie character that is a landscaper that gives amazing advice in as few words as possible in a supporting role to a supporting role. If the character has curly long hair and a golf hat, you’ll know where I got the idea. 👍😊. Now that I think about it, Mr. Miyagi in Karate Kid was a maintenance man / groundskeeper. Maybe this is a viable idea...😊)
The best job in Hollywood is not having a job in Hollywood. I'm a writer I'm in Michigan I'll stay in Michigan get my check for the story right's and I'm out
Haven’t been to the movies since Joker... before that, on purpose was the Adam’s family cartoon for my daughter, Frozen, the same.... and, I kid you not, the Matrix? Fuck, movies are boring and a waste of time.
Bummer. 🙄 It is much better for everyone that supra-negative people like you, who negatively predjudge 100% of movies and people without knowing them in-depth, to stay in your cavern for good. 🙂 Have a nice (frustrated) life, poor lad. ✌️😉
You probably have not been to a movie shoot. If you would have, you would realize why film making is very costly. That movie with perfect sound n high definition pictures.... it came with a cost. The number of people directly and indirectly involved in making the film is the reason why the cost is very high... Very expensive equipments have to be hired, permits to get shooting locations. Transport cost to move the employees and feeding them. Building sets to make sure the story is told in an authentic way. Writers of the script have to be paid add actors and extras to that list. Don't forget the editors who are using costly computer software to bring you crazy scenes like the matrix and other films. But hey let's just villinize Hollywood with some conspiracy theories
I'm gonna guess the production he's talking about is Ocean's Thirteen. It's a trilogy with lots of stars, lots of people to make promises to. It came out in 2007, the year after Gridiron Gang. It's also at WB who is notorious for not planning things out.
Could be, but the budget he's talking about is about twice that size, and Ocean's Twelve on paper was pretty successful- if not QUITE as successful as Eleven
i have been really struggling with pursuing screenwriting when we still have such huge problems locally and abroad and the films cost millions to make. seems pretty cussin decadent, unjustifiably so. and most films are not even speaking to us on deep levels like film has the power to do. narrative is so powerful in how it impacts humans. we are a deeply storied species, so if we are doing good with our stories, writing truly meaningful stories, then perhaps it would be justifiable. but most aren’t doing that. i guess the budgets are going to be spent anyways, so maybe writers with meaningful stories to tell should make sure they’re the ones telling the stories to make the budgets as justifiable as possible.
and this interview didn’t help lol just cause of the reality of things, not the interview itself. lots of wisdom and insights, but the insights are not pretty revelations. that shit is so upside down. so much waste and greed.
FUCK THAT!! I'm a union memmber and I don't work for the "love" or the art I do it for $$. Working on set for 12 to 16 sucks and its BS! If you're there you better get paid.
It’s definitely Narnia - the first film was successful on the back of Harry Potter - the sequel fell off a cliff and then after contractually finishing the third no others were made - there are 7 books in the series
@@brabbit3389 Timing is wrong. Chronicles came out in 2005 with its sequel in 2008. Grid Iron Gang was released in 2006 so if he walked right after it wrapped but before it hit theaters, the failed sequel would had to have bombed around 2004/2005/2006. And it would had to have been a tentpole film. Timing is right for The Chronicles of Riddick, but there was no contract for three films. Maybe Ocean's 12? I don't know. Blade, Resident Evil, X Men, Spiderman, Fast and Furious, all had sequels during that time period which pulled in disappointing returns compared to the first in the series but I couldn't really point to any of them with real confidence.
Ironically his fee to save them money was exactly 52 Mil.. Don’t understand why every studio wouldn’t want this guy’s advise for every flick they make.
Basically, yes. As I commented above, I have seen em north of $25k, but it was rare when I was playing in those sandboxes. I hear that's not uncommon these days. It's rediculous.
Yep, might as well be gold in those gift baskets. We now know where Hollywood movie studio budget went. Expensive gift baskets, probably wine and private jets. Especially, when it's for the main actors/actresses, directors or producers. Not for emergency case. This is where it can create self entitlement and egos for some of these people. Fucking Hollywood, eh? Lol.
@thisismagacountry1318 There's a reason why I don't look at most Hollywood actors, actresses, musicians as role models like some people do. Stuff like these can create self entitlement, egos and bad behaviors for these kinds of people.
@@southlondon86 I just might. I spent 10 years working on it. I can't copyright the concept, so it's best I have a fully 'polished' script before I take the chance of any writer scooping my idea away from me. It's one of those ideas a person could explain in 2-3 sentences.
I'm gonna come back in a day or two when someone has sleuthed out what trilogy he's talking about, haha. Edit: I'm pretty sure it's the Chronicles of Narnia movies.
Yeah, that’s what I’m in the comments for, it’s not exactly easy to figure out when all you have to go off of is, “it’s expensive and the second movie was bigger and didn’t make as much as the first.”
Sounds like Star Wars: Solo or Episode VIII that didn't make the profit Disney expected. It could be other movies as well. Who knows how long ago this happened.
I don't know, but if I'm recalling film series in the last few years based on his details (planned trilogy over 4-5 years, first movie did well but the second one bombed) the one that probably most comes to mind is Divergent. It was meant to be a quadrilogy at some point but they never made the last film. I'm wondering if it was originally meant as a trilogy, got carried away by the success of the first movie that they planned to make it into 4 movies like all the other YA films were doing at the time (Harry Potter, Hunger Games, Twilight) and then Allegiant happened.
I wouldn't say anything was surprising per se, but I think the most interesting part was when he elaborated on the "Suits" vs "Artists" dynamic. It's always been crazy to me that people with no expertise hire those with expertise to do a job, just to micro-manage and try and fit them into some sort of box on the back end. Like Shane mentioned, they've taken all these classes in body language etc, but it seems they never made it to the class that teaches you to let the artists do their job! Glad I stuck till the end of the video for that little gem!!
They have to interfere in order to ensure that no great accomplishment is done without their input. They need to be involved so they can take some ownership of the creation and therefore, claim credit that they can transfer to themselves and justify their self-image. And also to capitalize on it.
Artists are crazy people. Most need to be kept on track. And the handful that have demonstrated to be trustworthy still need cursory oversight just to keep them from growing complacent with other people's money.
A lot of people don't know the difference between managing and micro-managing. And all these classes on body language etc. militate against the real interpersonal skills needed to manage people. You don't form a mutually respectful relationship by an analysing somebody's body language and using covert techniques to manipulate them. That's the opposite of mutually respectful.
That is why I don’t care about big studios crying about prices to make movies. Everything Everywhere All at Once was 15 million Godzilla Minus 15 million. Why does a talking head movie cost 30-45 million in the US? Corporate waste.
I was thinking about this movie yesterday, remembering how bad it was. The final battle between Legolas and the orc reminded me of a Family Guy ‘chicken fight'. Just ludicrous.
It’s crazy to me how this people figured out how to save money now. I mean, the baskets? I wouldn’t feel offended if I didn’t get a basket wth. Private jets? First of all that’s so bad for the environment, second, do you think actors and cru are going to die if they don’t fly privately?
I can`t remember who said it but apparently, ``there`s an unwritten rule in hollywood wich is ,,,,never put your own money in a movie , not even in your own movie``
@JESUSwithLIGHTSABERS In Empire and Jedi (and the prequels) sure, but not the original Star Wars for as far as I know. But he was smart enough to secure the merchandise rights which the studio didn't care much about and the rest is history 🍻
"... What is an indie rat?" "It's people that don't wait for the Machine. They figure out a Way. It's not waiting for a Machine to decide when all the stars align."
All the top actors and producers should take regular airlines. And stay in normal hotels. Even if protected by private security. This will not only make movies much less expensive… it will also bring down those elitist actors down to reality. Maybe then they will stop talking down yo the general public. And stop bribing criminal politicians.
Yak yak yak. He dribbles on and on just like everybody in Hollywood they want you think they know so much do they babble on. But if they knew a lot everything they say would be helpful. . This guy turns my brain into oatmeal. Just make a good god dame film but nobody can do the so learn the dribble.
We now know where Hollywood movie studio budget went. Expensive gift baskets and private jets. Especially, when it's for the main actors/actresses, directors or producers. Not for emergency case. This is where it can create self entitlement and egos for some of these people. Fucking Hollywood, eh? Lol.
They cost so much in order to pay people properly. unless you re a big name in Hollywood, you’re not going to get big names and really talented pros. Unions exist for a reason. I’d bet that this movie that he’s referring to that cheaped out was a piece of crap. He does have a point but you have to be careful cause a studio will expect it moving forward and tie everyone’s hands.
@@bighands69 they do in my industry. If we didn’t have unions, we’d all be working with no benefits or proper wages. People that work on film Productions without a union are underpaid and overworked.
Fantastic interview. He kind of looks like all the Jurassic Park characters rolled into one
I nearly spit my water all over my phone because of you!
Ha. Thank you. I try my best 😜
@@Thenoobestgirl Hopefully not from a dinosaur sippy cup :) xx
@@officialshanestanley what else? 🦖
That is a brilliant observation 🤘🤘🤘
Always good to hear this man share his experience. As a complete DIY FILMmaker myself I have a lot of resentment for executives and producers I've worked with in the past. I understand they are people but their culture that they've created is a massive barrier to productive creation. It SEEMS, for the most part, "Do what I say, not what I do." They will nickle-and-dime you to the cheapest rate while having a helicopter fly in Starbucks for their third afternoon break. Not saying they all do that but I've seen enough to make my blood boil on sets.
The Private Sector imported most of the aristocratic mental sensibilities that were purged from pop culture in the wake of the Revolutionary War. So these executives are inheritors of a culture where money makes the class, not the breeding, and the class requires a certain egomania for self-esteem. So they see that helicopter ride as necessary to embody and telegraph their worth while the people on set must use less because they are lesser; if they weren't, they'd be in his profession.
Try "do you want to the movie to turn out good or do you want it to turn out looking cheap?" next time you have an argument like that. Update us on how it worked because I'm genuinely curious lol
The most surprising part of this interview was that a Hollywood studio not just considered but even went through with consulting someone whose relationship with and understanding of money is much more grounded in reality in contrast to the suits. There's no doubt in my mind that every big Hollywood studio production could save at least 10 to 25 percent on their budget.
Saving on gift baskets and hotels is a fine, but you need to pay the crew union rates, feed the crew well, have a zero screaming policy
and have a safe working environment. Proper pre production time, location scouting, and as few location moves as possible will save money.
Production crew fees are not what makes productions expensive.
Agreed. I was just saying that producers should treat the crew well with above scale rates, shorter hours and a proper turn around from small budgets to large budgets. . I have worked on shows that stepped over dollars to pick up pennies due to poor planning and if you add that to not treating the crew well it will likely lead to a bad outcome and safety issues.
Yes, and in the current context of the union strikes, it's kind of sickening to see studios trying to save money by not paying the people who actually make the movies properly, while spending £5k on a gift basket for a star or flying people around on private jets. Oh, your star actors won't perform well if they're not treated right? Well neither will your supporting actors, your extras, your writers, your stunt performers. And treating somebody right doesn't mean wasting money on things nobody actually cares about.
I'm just here for the life wisdom. Very little of what Shane (and others) talk about is specific to the movie business.
Hollywood is secretly wanting to spend way less money but make huge profit and I feel like if a studio gives an opportunity to you to make a film successful under a low budget it can be your break. I love how he explains things a lot of people got Hollywood misconstrued just have to understand the game of it all and you can make it
I think since the pandemic, most everything going to streaming, and those that do go theaters only making less than $200mm domestic and the fact that China doesn't like playing ball with American movies playing in their country will nip the tent pole budget significantly.
12:13 "I mean, it's not Rocket Surgery" :)
"WHAT WAS THE MOST SURPRISING PART OF THIS INTERVIEW?" - None of it! Shane, to me, you are my brother from another mother. I say that because everything you said in this interview was everything I learned and observed on the sets, of those big studio productions of which I worked on for years. I ended up choosing the indie film maker route after all of that. Running on fear and fighting on set is not my cup of tea. And I have gotten much farther going the indie way. (Listening to my own gut instinct) I won't put up with grown ups on my set, ranting and fighting in front of everyone like an unruly 13 yr.old brat. COMMON SENSE! YES! AND ENOUGH WITH THE DARN MEETINGS....delay, delay, dealay! Thats what that is! And it smells like fear to me. Anyhow, as always, I look forward to your next/latest interview. Alexis : )
And I say the trilogy was LORD OF THE RINGS. "YOU SHALL NOT PASS!!!"
Thank you Alexis. Appreciate the kind words and always great to hear from another "defector" Keep it shinny side up and DO YOUR THING! You'll be glad you did!
I'm certain he was talking about the Star Wars prequels here. Phantom Menace did incredibly well in the box office despite not being as well liked. The final prequel Revenge of The Sith came out in 2006 around the time of the movie he was talking about
Definitely not. George Lucas ran his own studio and all of the prequels did very well.
The most surprising part of this interview was his reference to the director that punched a movie exec, Phil Joanou. The most surprising thing was when I looked at Joanou’s wiki page he directed a horror movie in 2016 that was written by Robert Ben Garant, who may be best known as Deputy Travis Junior on Reno 911!
Now I need to find this movie.
I'm glad I found this channel.
Cheers!
Outstanding insight into the studio dynamics. Invaluable info to better navigate the movie making landscape successfully.
I'm just so happy to be walking away from this industry. Worked in post for the past 6 years now as an offline editor. Don't get me wrong, I still love editing and have the utmost respect for actors and many people who work on the industry, but I got into this growing up loving movies. I just want to go back loving films as an art because I hate the business of film and TV.
@Random Thought thank you so much. You have given me renewed inspiration.
@Random Thought Amen!
But the business side of film is what brings in the money to cater for the cost of making film.
I know for a fact that editors charge very expensively for their services and they also use very expensive softwares to do their job.
That money has to come from the business side of film.
Business requires certain rules or else money gets lost and that is how investors endup loosing money and employees end up not getting paid.
I also got into film because i grew up loving films but the reality of making films is different from being a kid watching Die Hard or Terminator2 or Baby's day out.... i have to separate the two
@@arfenmalik1717 Dude, You LIKE Hollywood. it a fact now your defending them while pretending like you understand our despise for it. I rather struggle to gain financial backing than stick my ass out and let them spank me
@@smithydavis1033 the moment you decide to get financial backing you have to be aware it will come with terms n conditions.
I don't know which world you leave in where there seems to be no terms n conditions.
Am a finance student so i do understand the business model of Hollywood... am not speaking from a conspiracy reasoning
From listening to him about where the issues were when making savings, it seemed things relating to actors and their contracts are points of concern along with the post-production of these movies. It seems like people who are trying to create wealth such as actors; the public feels as though they deserve or should get all the perks they want. While the production company is searching globally on how to make 20 Mil on a 100 Mil or 200 Mil budget. I have sympathy for these companies and for the actors, no one is having it easy. But the public is unaware of these sorts of problems since people only know the actors and hear them when they scream fire. While production companies are seen as having infinite wealth. Sure production companies have other avenues to make money as well but actors want a part of that money and so there goes a chunk of it that can help you cover the budget. There is a lack of understanding from people for sure.
I think he is talking about Fast and the Furious.
I’m guessing The Hobbit, Star War sequels, or Pirates. Not too many other trilogies over $200 mil with a loss from the second film
My guess is Chronicles Of Narnia. Three of them, big first movie, eh second movie, reasonably better third movie.
@@colejohnson5026 but I’m pretty sure those were a lot less than $200 mil
@@benjamingentile1660 The first one had a budget of $180 mil. The second was $225 mil and the third came in at $155 mil which comes in pretty close with what is being talked about here specifically the "saving $50 mil".
@@colejohnson5026 They still have 4 more books to go.
Hobbit was my guess too.
People make movies in Winnipeg for as low as $10,000.00 CDN. Canada has film grants that will pay back over 50% of the cost of the filming as well as post-production. Sean Penn comes to Winnipeg regularly to shoot movies.
That is a terrible waste of taxpayers money.
@@bighands69 Our Governments waste so much money it is insane. That is why Canada has a high income tax rate.
BTW I just watched Entropy 1999. Thanks for the valuable mention. I loved the film. The legendary band U2 played a pivotal role in it, unexpected. Also took notice at the lighting and editing. It's Sooo 90's! Especially the music, I loved it. Was it filmed in super 16mm?
If it would be on me, i'd book basic accomodation for actors, just like for everyone, normal air tickets, etc. They are payed pretty well, so they can pay for private jets, and $5k rooms if they want. Gift basket is nice, especially if it's something personal. Doesn't have to be crazy expensive, just find out something creative.
You wouldn't get the top big name actors working for you then.
@@bobrew461
Many big actors would work if the hotel room was of a good size and was clean. You could get a great rooms for less than $1000 a night in many cities.
That’s all a good point however the actor’s Union forces producers to at least fly em “business class” unless it’s not available. Those are additional costs but yes many actors will accept decent accommodations along with crew as long as their not sharing a room usually. You never know unless ya ask 😊
@@officialshanestanley That's fine then, if it's applicable to all actors, i'd consider that normal ticket. :) Big names are just used to their asses being licked shiny, knowing (thinking) that productions need them more badly than they need to get work.
If producers would ignore the celebs with these crazy demands, and spend some time&money to find new talents, it could be better for the industry. The next generation would be a lot more reasonable, i think.
@@Sgyozo celebs bring in the money though. They get asses in the seats lol.
They cost so much because they use big name big reputation actors as the draw because they don't trust audiences will watch their movie without it. And because marketing makes up about half the budget of most hollywood movies.
Without those two things it's actually not very expensive to make a movie when you're just talking about real tangible costs.
How do I find a hat exactly like that? I've been looking for something just like it but nothing fits my skull
Google Greg Norman straw golf hats. Or go to a local purveyor of hats They'll know and can order one for you... If you have a fat head that needs a 10 gallon and not the usual 7.25 size.😁
Cuba
What was the most surprising part of this video?
That its not rocket surgery.
That you couldn’t cut into overspending, while the project itself didn’t have the returns to justify it. At some point tightening the belt is necessity.
A person who is supposedly smart wears a hat indoors. You're not Indiana Jones so just stop with the hat. And even Indie has the sense to take it off indoors because he knows it's rude to keep it on.
That we have here a self described indy rat who actually has sympathy with the "suits" and the problems of making big budget studio films.
17 producers
I hate to admit it, but I kinda had to giggle when he mentioned that 'suit' getting punched out on the movie set. Guilty pleasure....
Watch Phil Joanou's Entropy. You'll see it reenacted and can watch and rewind as much as you'd like :)
@@officialshanestanley YES!!!! LOL
@@jonathanmartin-ives8665 Phil's true story and a very good film. Some great cameos in there as well like Bono. Check it. Be well!
@@officialshanestanley Thank You! I will.😁
Finally got some of my questions answered about why these films cost so much to make! But I'm kind of bewildered by it at the same time. How can the studios be so focused on profit, while at the same time being so wasteful with expenditure? Profit has two components, the in and the out. If you focus only on the in then you're going to make a loss. It's business 101, how are they missing this?!
They need to get Gordon Ramsay in. Chefs, even at superstar level, are all about preventing waste. There's no question of focusing only on revenue and to hell with expenditure. That's how restaurants go bust.
The movie industry is still held in Hollywood but it is slowly being decentralized. Major studios are using all the visual effects they can to hold onto the market (working with superhero movies) but it's just a matter of time before that trend fades as well. With production technology becoming affordable and accessible by independent movie makers with streaming and online distribution, the days of big Hollywood will be changing and won't be like it used to be.
@buzzcrushtrendkill
All I can say is the movie industry and the entertainment industry as a whole might become extremely rare when consumers gets technology that can create almost anything with their minds with a flip of a switch like Star Trek Holodeck one day.
Ancient filmmaking movie magic might as well be a thing of the past by then. Lol.
What a great 👍video very engaging.
We are in an unprecedented age where tentpole films are bombing at a much more frequent rate than years past. Everyone currently in power has a golden parachute, but their successors may need to learn how to spend money more wisely.
Yeah I somewhat liked Zack Snyder's Justice League for being a bit of an anomaly in certain ways, but other than that I haven't seen one good big Hollywood movie since covid yet.
(I haven't seen The Suicide Squad yet)
@@mabusestestament
I haven't seen a decent cinema flick in about 10 years!
INCEPTION.
@@bobrew461
There has been good films but so few of them are made. I have noticed that many films are not even getting into theatres now.
@@bighands69
That was happening before COVID but now studios will not spend the money to put what they see as a flop, into cinemas. Even though they don't need physical prints anymore, which should make distributing movies cheaper...
@@bobrew461
Over the last decade the quality of films has declined.
He's talking about the X-Men: The Last Stand. Gridiron Gang came out in 2006, long before The Hobbit.
No, he's talking about a n°2 in a trilogy that was a disappointment. X-Men 2 was a bigger hit than X-Men 1.
That Narnia crap
@@BozPictures True but it also cost almost double, and that's minus marketing.
An artist's vision should never be trusted with an existing property. The Last Jedi is a good example of what happens when an artist has too much control.
Agreed. The artist's vision part wasn't about an existing property or sequel, just an overall.
Not true. Christopher Nolan’s Batman trilogy was 100% his visions and look how that turned out. It’s all about if the film is well written or not.
The last Jedi wasn’t even that bad tho.
18 producers?!?!? Pre 2010... hmmm. Pirates?🤔
Great stuff
lol. The studios failed to run successful small indie movie outfits that can turn a huge amount of profit for very little investment (see Big Night) and nurturing talent and establishing relationships. Hence movies are dead.
He’s either taking about Iron man or X-Men 1-2-3
D'you want to know something hilarious, you know how actors have a trailer to hang out in, I thought they actually slept there😂😂😂
X-Men. I think he’s talking about the X-Men trilogy
Could it be the massive embezzling and money laundering?
great interview, very interesting...
This channel is treasure
Wow this was fantastic.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I forgot about lord of the rings or even the hobbit. But I thought they filmed both of them at 1 time, and worked on each one separately in post.
People in the comments are saying it was Chronicles of Narnia
Awesome! Thanks!
that was really interesting
How do you put great effects on a modest budget
Get talent from 3rd world countries. They are hungry.
Things like Fiverr or similar outsourcing websites.
Narnia was a dud for shure
Sure, most interesting interviewee, but what a great interviewer.
So a lot of the cost is because people are vain and have to be pampered like snobby royalty and can't just treat it like doing a job. Got it.
I need permission to post a comment here but while I am waiting for approval to post a comment here, I am just going to post this comment here. Anyone care to reply or give a thumbs up, I would really appreciate the green light.
This guy never responds to anyone.I know an a-lister that tried to reach him for 3 months, big loss for Shane.
My contact info is public and has been mentioned here on Film Courage. If you reach out, you get a reply. 😊
@@officialshanestanley great reply! Now I really want to know what movie this was:P. Writing and making films has always been a passion of mine that’s never gotten out of my imagination. It’s nice to know people like you are around
@@josephsteward3166 Well, the level of trust I was given, was because I never "kiss and tell". I will give you a hint, the trilogy won an Oscar or two. Best of luck on your journey, take deep breaths along the way. Fear not, Joseph - you've got this! Continued success.
@@officialshanestanley I figured that was the case, that’s why I didn’t push too hard. I think I know the trilogy just from the way you described it, but can’t be sure
Thank you for the encouragement, it’s hard to know what will happen but it’s something I’ve never been able to shake off or get out of my head, maybe one day it will happen. Good luck to you, I feel like true filmmakers like you get the short end of the stick many times but it’s satisfying seeing someone do something they’re passionate about and be successful at it, thanks for all the insight in your interviews and comments
@@josephsteward3166 Then you've officially been bitten by the bug. Just go out and start creating, man. You'll find your way!
"gift baskets" jesus.
Half the budget goes to catering
Really good
Thank you! Cheers!
To make it great destroy the business aspect. Make these artists stand out and make no money doing it. Stop treating actors like pampered princes. Give them nothing - see what they could come up with.
If ever there was a conversation about 1st world problems?
What trilogy he reffering to I wonder
I reckon...it's...Blade.
CS Lewis - Narnia books
I was thinking of doing the same thing. I guess I’m going to be an indie rat lol
I don't understand why they can't budget, get fresh talent - not indy, just smart - for the medium. Let it rest on the film not politics and actors, not trying to please everyone, no innovation other than creativity. We still talk about the great directors who had nothing and made money in the good ol days. The studio should work like a home base for multiple projects based on innovation without tech. Passion like Coppola if he had to work on a shoestring, they should limit the cash flow to bring the fire out of these people to be creative like a colony of artists in the studios - no vegan catering, rather, peanut butter sandwiches.
The main thing that needs to happen, but I don't know how it will happen, is for Hollywood, CA to lose its monopoly status as pretty much the only market that can produce high end, high quality films. There should be a "Hollywood" in every major city IMO - Seattle, Chicago, Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, you name it. There have been some cracks happening in that direction in the last couple of decades or so, but for now it's mainly just independent film and still not the huge industry like in L.A. and New York. You can have doctors, lawyers, engineers, and just about every other profession in every city, why not big moviemaking in every market?
@@ebinrock what we truly need are more people smoking pipes, wearing slick hats, slacks with suspenders, am I right?! A t-shirt used to be considered underwear, it's like everyone walking around in their underwear. And women in jeans has got to go, unless they do the farm thing. Come on Dale, put your cat clothes on!
A yes exploit the one department that doesn’t have any union protections. Really ethical there man. Why don’t you get rid of some of those 6-7 figure “producers” that don’t do anything
I think they are producers is synonymous with investors. More risk. More reward.
If you get rid of producers how are you funding your project and paying all of those Union protected workers?
@@TheStrangerSpeaks10 he said they had 17 producers not including any talent, you don’t need 17 producers
@@qnms101 Shows quite the mathematical understanding there buddy boy. Good luck out there in the real world. Call me when you’ve seen a few episodes of shark tank or gain even a basic understanding of how venture capital functions in regards to film production.
@@TheStrangerSpeaks10 might be one of the funniest comments I’ve ever seen
Rocket surgery?
it's called a malaphor, he combined the phrases 'rocket science' and 'brain surgery'
Those horrible Divergent films?
I am black... This comes natural to me!
Sucks.
That hat. I wasn’t going to say anything about his hat but others noticed so I guess I’m not alone. With his hair in the back and the hat combined, I cannot imagine this gentleman full of wisdom without a leaf blower doing someone’s yard. He’s not the kind of guy that does yards because he can’t find anything better to do. Rather, he enjoys being outdoors, doesn’t want to deal with “suits” and wants his work day to end (and actually start for himself) when the sun goes down. He looks like the kind of guy who works to live, rather than living to work. The hat or the hair alone don’t give him this vibe. It is only the two together in combination, like Indiana Jones’ hat and his whip in combination. (Except a leaf blower instead.) Thanks for the filmmaking wisdom Mr. Stanley. (p.s. I used to be a professional landscaper and yard mower. I still own a leaf blower. I now do tractor / excavation work and I really enjoy working outdoors so the only thing that has changed is that I now operate larger equipment. Maybe there could be a movie character that is a landscaper that gives amazing advice in as few words as possible in a supporting role to a supporting role. If the character has curly long hair and a golf hat, you’ll know where I got the idea. 👍😊. Now that I think about it, Mr. Miyagi in Karate Kid was a maintenance man / groundskeeper. Maybe this is a viable idea...😊)
You totally sound like a totally retrograde & blinded racist who deeply suffers from a strong cognitive dissonance... Ewww... Cringe. 😑
Brilliant! I'll look forward to seeing that when you get it done :)
@@officialshanestanley Thank you Shane! Please say hello if our paths cross and I’ll try to do the same. 👍😊
@@cobymarcum1442 I sincerely hope that happens one fine day. Stay well, Coby.
The best job in Hollywood is not having a job in Hollywood. I'm a writer I'm in Michigan I'll stay in Michigan get my check for the story right's and I'm out
Haven’t been to the movies since Joker... before that, on purpose was the Adam’s family cartoon for my daughter, Frozen, the same.... and, I kid you not, the Matrix?
Fuck, movies are boring and a waste of time.
Bummer. 🙄 It is much better for everyone that supra-negative people like you, who negatively predjudge 100% of movies and people without knowing them in-depth, to stay in your cavern for good. 🙂 Have a nice (frustrated) life, poor lad. ✌️😉
"It's not rocket surgery"
Good lord - Hollywood is like government contracting! Great knowledge!
Hi
Yep, they probably take a dump in a $50,000 toilet and have a (costly) assistant wipe their ass too.
Untrue. There is so much waste in the private sector it's nauseating.
You probably have not been to a movie shoot.
If you would have, you would realize why film making is very costly.
That movie with perfect sound n high definition pictures.... it came with a cost.
The number of people directly and indirectly involved in making the film is the reason why the cost is very high...
Very expensive equipments have to be hired, permits to get shooting locations. Transport cost to move the employees and feeding them.
Building sets to make sure the story is told in an authentic way.
Writers of the script have to be paid add actors and extras to that list. Don't forget the editors who are using costly computer software to bring you crazy scenes like the matrix and other films.
But hey let's just villinize Hollywood with some conspiracy theories
@@arfenmalik1717 You act like we're not aware of that but we are. We also know that Hollywood is no longer a place to get financing.
I miss the old days when half the budget went to the cocaine fund
I'm gonna guess the production he's talking about is Ocean's Thirteen. It's a trilogy with lots of stars, lots of people to make promises to. It came out in 2007, the year after Gridiron Gang. It's also at WB who is notorious for not planning things out.
Could be, but the budget he's talking about is about twice that size, and Ocean's Twelve on paper was pretty successful- if not QUITE as successful as Eleven
I don't think the Ocean's series uses much, if any, cgi.
I was thinking the pirates of the Caribbean franchise
I wouldnt mind betting he's talking about the Narnia films.
@Lucas Levon
All 3 LOTR movies were shot together, all in New Zealand (and you should watch them ;)
the most surprising part was definitively the price of the gift baskets
Was Du nicht sagst ! -:))
If it was up to me they’d get a paper bag with an apple, bar of chocolate and a plastic harmonica.
I have actually seen them north of $25,000 but its rare. The perks that come with studios and networks for talent are off the charts.
Hell I’m going to film school to learn basket weaving
@@WoopyGoldbergsHair hey, that’s how I learned to make my hat! 😜
Even a million dollars seems a lot. I worked on japanese movies shot in america in the 90s. We had budgets as low as $300,000.
NOW WE'RE TALKIN'! TRUST ME, IT CAN BE DONE. COMMON SENSE. STUDY YOUR CHARTS.
@@alefortune how can it be done?
i have been really struggling with pursuing screenwriting when we still have such huge problems locally and abroad and the films cost millions to make. seems pretty cussin decadent, unjustifiably so.
and most films are not even speaking to us on deep levels like film has the power to do. narrative is so powerful in how it impacts humans. we are a deeply storied species, so if we are doing good with our stories, writing truly meaningful stories, then perhaps it would be justifiable. but most aren’t doing that.
i guess the budgets are going to be spent anyways, so maybe writers with meaningful stories to tell should make sure they’re the ones telling the stories to make the budgets as justifiable as possible.
and this interview didn’t help lol just cause of the reality of things, not the interview itself. lots of wisdom and insights, but the insights are not pretty revelations.
that shit is so upside down. so much waste and greed.
Fear and Greed - the eternal drivers of human endeavour.
You mustn't think that, films are a sacred part of life and even the biggest budgets aren't much compared to government money 🕯
FUCK THAT!! I'm a union memmber and I don't work for the "love" or the art I do it for $$. Working on set for 12 to 16 sucks and its BS! If you're there you better get paid.
I wonder which Trilogy he’s speaking of that had an unsuccessful sequel. There’s so many lol
I suspect Matrix or LOTR
It’s definitely Narnia - the first film was successful on the back of Harry Potter - the sequel fell off a cliff and then after contractually finishing the third no others were made - there are 7 books in the series
@@thea2zreviewshow962 LOTR all the three parts were huge success
Reminds me of the Star Wars sequel trilogy.
@@brabbit3389 Timing is wrong. Chronicles came out in 2005 with its sequel in 2008. Grid Iron Gang was released in 2006 so if he walked right after it wrapped but before it hit theaters, the failed sequel would had to have bombed around 2004/2005/2006. And it would had to have been a tentpole film. Timing is right for The Chronicles of Riddick, but there was no contract for three films. Maybe Ocean's 12? I don't know. Blade, Resident Evil, X Men, Spiderman, Fast and Furious, all had sequels during that time period which pulled in disappointing returns compared to the first in the series but I couldn't really point to any of them with real confidence.
an eye opening interview as always
Please get Zack Snyder on the show
Ironically his fee to save them money was exactly 52 Mil.. Don’t understand why every studio wouldn’t want this guy’s advise for every flick they make.
$5,000 for a gift basket?!?! What the hell do they put in are these baskets?!?! Gold?!?!
Basically, yes. As I commented above, I have seen em north of $25k, but it was rare when I was playing in those sandboxes. I hear that's not uncommon these days. It's rediculous.
@@officialshanestanley that's insane... What a waste of money!
@@Thenoobestgirl Not if you're the Star getting it.
You should boycott the movies and stand up for your principles.
Yep, might as well be gold in those gift baskets.
We now know where Hollywood movie studio budget went. Expensive gift baskets, probably wine and private jets.
Especially, when it's for the main actors/actresses, directors or producers. Not for emergency case.
This is where it can create self entitlement and egos for some of these people. Fucking Hollywood, eh? Lol.
@thisismagacountry1318 There's a reason why I don't look at most Hollywood actors, actresses, musicians as role models like some people do.
Stuff like these can create self entitlement, egos and bad behaviors for these kinds of people.
He'd probably like the concept behind my screenplay. I'll have to get it copyrighted (Lib of Cong) first.
Would you ever share it on here?
@@southlondon86 I just might. I spent 10 years working on it. I can't copyright the concept, so it's best I have a fully 'polished' script before I take the chance of any writer scooping my idea away from me. It's one of those ideas a person could explain in 2-3 sentences.
Nah I bet there’s some money laundering on these at some level…
I'm gonna come back in a day or two when someone has sleuthed out what trilogy he's talking about, haha.
Edit: I'm pretty sure it's the Chronicles of Narnia movies.
Yeah, that’s what I’m in the comments for, it’s not exactly easy to figure out when all you have to go off of is, “it’s expensive and the second movie was bigger and didn’t make as much as the first.”
Jurassic park. Pirates of the Caribbean, Spiderman 3, Avengers,
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_expensive_films
Sounds like Star Wars: Solo or Episode VIII that didn't make the profit Disney expected. It could be other movies as well. Who knows how long ago this happened.
I don't know, but if I'm recalling film series in the last few years based on his details (planned trilogy over 4-5 years, first movie did well but the second one bombed) the one that probably most comes to mind is Divergent. It was meant to be a quadrilogy at some point but they never made the last film. I'm wondering if it was originally meant as a trilogy, got carried away by the success of the first movie that they planned to make it into 4 movies like all the other YA films were doing at the time (Harry Potter, Hunger Games, Twilight) and then Allegiant happened.
@@rc0ll18 not Potter, that was never planned as a trilogy, see my comments and link.
Quarterbacks, coaches, and owners. Everyone has their own plays in mind but they have to at least agree on whether to run the ball or pass it.
Awesome interview, again 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
They make movies in Winnipeg for $0.25 on the UD Dollar. $0.25USD in Winnipeg will bring $1.00 of work. That is why the Film Industry here is rocking.
I wouldn't say anything was surprising per se, but I think the most interesting part was when he elaborated on the "Suits" vs "Artists" dynamic. It's always been crazy to me that people with no expertise hire those with expertise to do a job, just to micro-manage and try and fit them into some sort of box on the back end. Like Shane mentioned, they've taken all these classes in body language etc, but it seems they never made it to the class that teaches you to let the artists do their job! Glad I stuck till the end of the video for that little gem!!
They have to interfere in order to ensure that no great accomplishment is done without their input. They need to be involved so they can take some ownership of the creation and therefore, claim credit that they can transfer to themselves and justify their self-image. And also to capitalize on it.
@@Theomite PREACH PREACHER!! IMMA NEED YOU TO SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK!!!!
Artists are crazy people. Most need to be kept on track. And the handful that have demonstrated to be trustworthy still need cursory oversight just to keep them from growing complacent with other people's money.
A lot of people don't know the difference between managing and micro-managing. And all these classes on body language etc. militate against the real interpersonal skills needed to manage people.
You don't form a mutually respectful relationship by an analysing somebody's body language and using covert techniques to manipulate them. That's the opposite of mutually respectful.
That is why I don’t care about big studios crying about prices to make movies.
Everything Everywhere All at Once was 15 million
Godzilla Minus 15 million.
Why does a talking head movie cost 30-45 million in the US?
Corporate waste.
indie rat = billy walsh entourage
Man that third Hobbit movie is so horrible it hardly qualifies as an actual film.
I was thinking about this movie yesterday, remembering how bad it was. The final battle between Legolas and the orc reminded me of a Family Guy ‘chicken fight'. Just ludicrous.
none of them are very good, especially compared to the lotr movies
It’s crazy to me how this people figured out how to save money now. I mean, the baskets? I wouldn’t feel offended if I didn’t get a basket wth. Private jets? First of all that’s so bad for the environment, second, do you think actors and cru are going to die if they don’t fly privately?
I can`t remember who said it but apparently,
``there`s an unwritten rule in hollywood wich is ,,,,never put your own money in a movie , not even in your own movie``
As an independent film maker I learned this the hard way.
Not according to Francis Ford Coppola.
If you wont risk your own money on the film, why would anybody else?
Didn’t George Lucas put his own money into Star Wars, and he made one of the most successful film franchises in the history of filmmaking.
@JESUSwithLIGHTSABERS
In Empire and Jedi (and the prequels) sure, but not the original Star Wars for as far as I know. But he was smart enough to secure the merchandise rights which the studio didn't care much about and the rest is history 🍻
Anyone know the trilogy?
Incredible channel
Thanks Jerry, we appreciate your support.
This one's a keeper! Yup.
"... What is an indie rat?"
"It's people that don't wait for the Machine. They figure out a Way. It's not waiting for a Machine to decide when all the stars align."
All the top actors and producers should take regular airlines. And stay in normal hotels.
Even if protected by private security.
This will not only make movies much less expensive… it will also bring down those elitist actors down to reality.
Maybe then they will stop talking down yo the general public. And stop bribing criminal politicians.
Lol most of the people that bribe politicians are corporations like Amazon and people like Elon musk. Not actors
You should interview Shane weekly. These are really informative.
Much more to come with Shane!
Yak yak yak. He dribbles on and on just like everybody in Hollywood they want you think they know so much do they babble on. But if they knew a lot everything they say would be helpful. . This guy turns my brain into oatmeal. Just make a good god dame film but nobody can do the so learn the dribble.
..what the fuck lol
The more money they spend on movies the worse they get
There does seem to be a correlation.
I would rather see original King Kong or Rear Window than almost anything in last ten years
We now know where Hollywood movie studio budget went. Expensive gift baskets and private jets.
Especially, when it's for the main actors/actresses, directors or producers. Not for emergency case.
This is where it can create self entitlement and egos for some of these people. Fucking Hollywood, eh? Lol.
They cost so much in order to pay people properly. unless you re a big name in Hollywood, you’re not going to get big names and really talented pros. Unions exist for a reason. I’d bet that this movie that he’s referring to that cheaped out was a piece of crap. He does have a point but you have to be careful cause a studio will expect it moving forward and tie everyone’s hands.
Unions do not protect workers in the modern world. Most unions are political parties.
@@bighands69 they do in my industry. If we didn’t have unions, we’d all be working with no benefits or proper wages. People that work on film Productions without a union are underpaid and overworked.
Rocket surgery is actually really easy. You don't even need anesthesia! 🚀🚀🚀