The title is hilarious because (SPOILER for OSP’s latest video) Red has admitted she couldn’t care less for the Fate Series but she’s incredibly annoyed by the depictions of Gilgamesh and Iskandar, which if swapped would seem much closer to how their described (that is to say, Gilgamesh looks like Iskandar and vice versa).
@AscendtionArc Not so much the rich as it was the decently rich. The excessively rich tended to round the corner and start backtracking on life expectancy as their wealth made acquiring particular illnesses (like gout) more common and assassination attempts more likely.
About Arthur possibly being Welsh. You were right he was. Very basically speaking: The Picts became the Scottish. The Saxons became the English. And the Britons (Arthur) became the Welsh.
Your comment about achieving immortality through story is hilariously timely considering that the newest OSP video about The Epic of Gilgamesh (which you should totally react to BTW, Red even went on a minor rant at the end about how Gilgamesh is portrayed in the Fate series) premiered just yesterday as of my writing this.
Also exstra bits that due to fact theybased alot their research on outdated consensus the saxons didnt just imvade many were allready here the roman britons hired angles saxons and jutes as mercineries to defend against pictosh raiders as rome had hired germanic grouos like the saxons to fight other tribes for them in later years as it colapsed Roman Britons failed to keep paying the saxons so they in oted their friends from back home to come take over roman settlments Over time the welsh britins had conflict with the new kingdoms forming on the east coast and led to the germanic trobes pushing west to take more land which split off from theeastern kingdoms to form their own kingdoms
I actually read one story of one of the knights, and he actually became the holder of the title of Black Knight for a time before Arthur went to find him.
The beauty of Old English is that a *lot* more things make sense. Because at that point there was no Norse or French influence yet, and so English was mostly a taped-together combination of Germanic with bits of Latin and Celctic. Which by the way also means that English to this day is a variant of Low German, technically!
Btw it is important to know that "average life expentancy of ~40" is accounting for an ATROTIOUS level of infant mortality not really that most people died all that young. If you got past infant mortality and there was not a major epidemic or famine going around then you would mostly be good. Most people would still be able to hang out and learn from their grandfather or even great grandfather a lot of the time.
The average age of people was 40, because most people died as babies. When you were past childhood, you had a pretty decent chance of living well past 40. So, 15 was probably not considered a child, but pretty young still for taking on a kingship or other role of responsibility. Not unheard of, though.
I don't think "love's desire is never to be fulfilled" is a concept that is supposed to be tied to purity from bodily corruption. I think it's like Sappho's poems, where the desire is a consuming, heart-rending thing. It's tragic, it's dramatic, and for that reason, it evokes emotions in the reader or listener on the power and sway of love on and in ourselves. If we pine for one we cannot have, it is a pain within us, one we can never let go of. Ultimately, it's not a more pure form of love, it is a powerful and more tragic form of it. And *drama* has always been popular.
Reminds me of Young Werther. Poor lad couldn't move on and accept his crush lived life with or without him - in particular with another man. Horrible thing. Let that be a lesson folks: DON'T BE A SIMP.
Airier, the reason Merlin was given the gift of prophecy in addition to perfect knowledge of the past and present makes complete sense. The writers absolutely didn’t get lazy. After all: what is the definition of prophecy? Here’s a little hint: it’s got nothing to do with the past and present, but rather another point in time, one that is actually neither the past nor the present
The thing about "Love is a desire never to be fulfilled" is probably supposed to be closer to the idea that "the journey is the real treasure", rather than the whole "self-insert" or "some things are beautiful because you can't have them" stuff... although that latter one might be part of it if the idea is that being in love with someone is very different from actually being in a relationship as a lover with them, some relationships only work out because there's a distance between the partners. You can also interpret a bit of self-punishment into it, of course a very religious concept of abstinence, not just sexual, but also in general, fasting is also part of that, also kinda similar to what some buddhists put themselves through to reach nirvana. You could discuss these ideas at length, that's part of why they captured the French back then, these are more philosophical ideas that can be interpreted and thus discussed in various ways than clear statements. Also gotta point out how Fates interpretation basically perfectly, even if probably unintentionally, managed to preserve at least part of Lancelots and Guineveres "courtly love"-schtick as it was originally intended. As for why people may sort the whole Arturian myth closer to the 1500s... I'd imagine that's because where most people would tend to stick medieval stuff if they have no actual dates otherwise to work off of, and with the classical setting of stone castles with cannons and fully armored knights and stuff... even if that's at best at the tail end of the medieval time, when there were already the first guns around, and it's really already getting more into the age of exploration with people traveling to the "new world", but again, when people don't have any other historical dates to work off of... but yeah, Fate is actually pretty accurate and consistent there as well by saying that everything around Camelot is set around 500AD... and while Nasu also kept some aspects about Arthurs campaign against... the Roman Empire... specifically some guy called Lucius Tiberius I think, which makes no sense from a historical standpoint, at the same time, by keeping Artoria mostly focused on Britain, he kinda sidestepped any major issues there as well.
Don’t know where you got the “Lancelot is ugly” thing, because he was literally an OC. Every description I’ve ever seen of his describes him as beautiful. And yes, he was a Mary sue. Also, the Merlin thing: she said the devil gave him knowledge of past and present while god gave him prophecy (which is future) basically he has knowledge of past, present, and future.
No, "historical Arthur" as in an *actual person* who inspired the legend. Geoffrey Ashe has a couple books on narrowing down he lived, figuring out who he was, and defending the legitimacy of his burial site in Glastonbury. The records are spotty, but slightly less so when you're willing to get into church documents and, critically, personal letters.
If you want Red and Blue collab video ideas, might I suggest "One villainous scene: you must be the belmont". Disregard if you haven't seen the Castlevania anime, but if you have, its a really good watch.
13:00 I could swear that “caledfwlch” is referenced in the Deen Stay Night anime and the Fate route when Gilgamesh attacks Shirou and Artoria. Artoria brandishes Caliburn, and Gilgamesh pulls out “Caledfwlch” to brag about it being an older origin for “a sword that selects the King”. In Strange Fake, he pulls out an EVEN OLDER sword named Merodach that is evidently the first blade ever forged to appoint kingship, using it as a measuring stick to see if his opponent is able to withstand it and thus worthy of facing Ea.
@@Kairukurumi Because it's named after a specific character that was set up to satirize an archetype. We think nothing of applying male names as neutral, as well.
The name of the Roman commander they talk about 4:53 was Lucius Artorius Castus and he was the version of King Arthur that I believe was most likely real despite the information that has been lost to history.
@@samrevlej9331 Lucius Artorius Castus did exist according to physical evidence found and he seems like the most likely candidate the STORY of Arthur was based on in my opinion. Whether or not he did become a ruler is irrelevant. But again, this is my OPINION, if you want to try to tear it down I’m going to consider you nothing but an internet troll. We do know that Lucius Artorius Castus did defend Hadrian’s Wall in ancient times.
9:25 Yes, this is a different Brutus. Geoffrey wanted Britain to see eye-to-eye with Rome(!) when it comes to having a illustrious history. So he invented another survivor of the Fall of Troy, Brutus, (similar to how the Romans claimed that Aeneas [who at least was a character in the Illiad existing before] was the ancestor of the founders of Rome). There also was a probably more historical Brutus, Lucius Junius Brutus, who was pivotal in overthrowing his uncle Tarquinius Superbus, the last king of Rome and establishing the Republic. But the Brutus most think of when hearing the name is his long descendant Marcus Junius Brutus, reluctantly playing his role in the assassination of Gaius Julius Caesar. It is probably from these that Geoffrey took his inspiration for the name of the Troyan Brutus he invented for his pseudo-history of Britain.
Not the last time survivors of Troy are gonna be used as convenient out for the origin of non-Christian mythological figures if he keeps watching OSP-videos. Like, correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't BOTH the Norse gods AND the Irish gods turned into "survivors of Troy" or at least something of the sort in their christianized rewrites?
@@Justic_ Yeah, Medieval Western/Northern Europeans loved Troy (unlike the later post-Renaissance love for Greece). I think this might be a result of seeing Europe/Christendom vs the East (mostly Muslims, but critically for the Troy comparison also the Byzantines) and extending that backwards into Rome vs Persia to Greece vs Troy. And since their contemporary Greeks were considered more "Eastern" than "Western" they associated themselves with Troy like Rome did.
@@Justic_ For the Norse gods you are absolutely correct. The infamous Snorri Sturluson created a backstory in his prologue to the Edda made the Aesir indeed survivors of Troy (a section that might have been added later even has cringeworthy etymology, like Thor = Ökuthor = Hektor). Among the Irish peoples the Lebor Gabála Érenn (Book of invasions) is not mentioning one of the waves of settlers as coming from Troy. With Partholon we get close it with Greece and the idea that the Scythians (Nemed, leader of one of the waves of settlement was considered one) where the descents of Scota, ein Egyptian princess. What at least some later versions of the Book of Invasions, starting in the 14th century, are doing is using Troy as reference point for the time frame of their narrative. So we get stuff like this. "In the eighth year of the reign of Bellepares there came the plague of Partholon’s people. It is then that Hercules captured Troy. Sosarmus was king of the world at the time. Sixty years between the two Takings, that is 30 years after the plague till Nemed came, and 20 years after the coming of Nemed, till Troy was captured for the last time." The actual gods (thinly veiled in the narrative) are the Thuatha de Danann. In the Book of invasions, which "humanizes" them they are a different branch of the descendants of Nemed, of those who when North instead of those who went South to become the Fir Bolg.
14:30 I actually remember Lancelot as the most handsome, charismatic and (sometimes, depending on the version) most arrogant of Arthur’s knights. One trait I remember was his luscious blonde hair. P.S I believe in some versions Lancelot is actually Arthur’s best friend.
i love that thedanish flag that Denmark got at the year 1219... if this is supose to be year 400ish it just makes it even harder fanfic when the art shows a flag that comes later 21:40
In this video! Airier repeatedly realizing that people have always been people, in new and fascinatingly intricate ways! 😆 Love seeing your stuff dude. Can't wait to see more! 😊👍
About Lancelot, I've heard that maybe "The knight of the cart" (Lancelot's first story), was written tongue in cheek, with Chretien and his patroness laughing about the madness of "courtly love". Don't know if I fully agree, but I can believe it was the author saying "He's a fool. Just a very skilled one". People took it seriously, though, wathever the intent of his creator.
Regarding the timeframe of Arthurian legend, since most of his stories are set in post-Roman Britain (400s-600s, aka "The Dark AgesTM"), it makes no sense for him to have a stone castle, knights, or to have mail and plate armor, as those are from the High to Late Middle Ages (1100-1500). But since high medieval chroniclers and artists were incapable of imagining the past as anything else than resembling their own, all the sources and artwork for the mythos present Arthur and his posse as author-contemporary knights etc. Also, yes, Arthur is a Welsh legend, as in a legend propagated by the original Celtic Britons who fought against the Anglo-Saxons, and they were eventually pushed westward into Wales (obviously most Celtic Britons living in modern-day England didn't vanish, flee or get killed by the Anglo-Saxons, and kept living side-by-side with them, but they weren't the dominant cultural influence anymore).
17:38 Except the concept of courtly love probably didn't exist or at least wasn't widespread in Britain when Geoffrey of Monmouth wrote that about Uther in the early 1100s (it was just getting started on the continent), even more so if Geoffrey was just compiling older legends. This was probably just an old legend about dudes being masculine by having lots of s*x.
I know it's already been said, but yeah, the thing about the average life span being lower in the past is more due to infant mortality. But on top of that, while it was still more likely you'd die at...well pretty much any age due to some random injury or disease, it still was fairly common for some elders to make it to their 80s or what have you. The average person, once past childhood, could expect to make it to their 60s and that would be pretty normal. Its a bit difficult to figure out the actual estimates without diving into the data, which doesn't always exist of course. Also that Welsh word doesn't seem too hard to pronounce. I'm not an expert, but with a bit of wiki reading, it looks like "caledfwlch" would be (in International Phonetic Alphabet) /kalɛdvʊlχ/, which I can't quite put into perfect English orthography because that final consonant doesn't exist in English but its similar to the velar fricative at the end of 'loch' in its proper Scottish pronunciation. In IPA, that's /x/, while /χ/ is produced further back in the mouth. So, the best approximation would be something like "kaledvoolx" with that last 'x' being the 'ch' from 'loch'. Or maybe 'kahlehdvoolx' to make it clear the a and e are both short vowels.
Courtly love is not (allways) about carnal love, but about pining from afar for your one true love who were married of to someone else. Almost no historical marriages were (entirely) about love after all... You have lost the chance of a happy mariage and all that remains for you two are chaste coutly love...
Okay, wasn't expecting to need to break out the Welsh twice. Let's see. "Myrddin Wyllt" would be IPA /mɨ̞rðɪn wɨ̞ɬt/ which is...considerably more difficult for an English speaker. The weird 'i'-like vowel isn't really in English at all. It's somewhere between an /i/ and a /u/, a close high central vowel. But, apparently in Southern Welsh, its commonly just pronounced as /ɪ/, the vowel of English "bit", or as I might write it, "ih". The 'short' i vowel. The 'dd' is making a dental fricative, so imagine English 'th', the unvoiced variant as in 'these'. The double l is a rare phoneme that I only know from Welsh and Nahuatl (the Aztec language), being the "voiceless alveolar lateral fricative". Basically, make your tongue like you're gonna say 'l' and instead blow air through, around the sides of your tongue. To my ears it always sounds a little bit like 'l' followed by 'sh'. Oh and also the 'r' here is rolled, like the Spanish trill, so since that doesn't exist in English either I'll write it like in Spanish with "rr". So, "Myrddin Wyllt" would be like..."Mirrthin Wilsht". Sort of. Approximately.
"I thought he was Welsh" - Funny thing, that. The word Welsh actually comes from the Saxon word for foreigners, "wealas", which was their name for the native Britons. As the Anglo-Saxon conquest completed, the Britons only retained power in Wales and Cornwall (the "wall" bit has the same etymology as Wales). Eventually, England came to rule those two regions as well.
Arthur would be welsh as modern England comes from the anglo-saxon kingdoms that come after arthur and Arthur's people would be pushed to modern day wales
I want to note, that iirc, the main reason the life expectancy was so low back in the day, was, because child mortality was high, once you survived childhood, your life expectancy rose into your 70s.
Caledfwlch might be familiar to you because that's the actual name of the sword nuke of choice that Archer Emiya in the fate series is always cloning (and the thing he shoots Berserker from across the city with in UBW), Caladbolg
Well, in Fate, the idea is that Caledfwlch served as prototype for both Excalibur and Caladbolg. Saying Caledfwlch is the "actual name" of Caladbolg feels a bit inaccurate or at least simplified when you take into account that one is Welsh and the other Irish, at best it feels like they simply have the same etymological root in Celtic, instead of that one's the "true name"
I'm currently in a dnd d20 modern crossover game that's post apocalyptic Arthurian legend. My character is a usmc attached to NATO. The other modern character is a theology major larper who is the descendant of king Arthur and the green knight. My character currently is doing a grunts and crafts project to make the most obnoxiously British guntruck, only somebody was yanking my chain at the motor pool.
Unfulfilled desire is a classic trope and considering it historically came from poetry and stories I could see why the tragedy aspect was seen as noble and heartbreaking but not necessarily bad. Think of how many stories Romeo and Juliet inspired, which is largely based on the same concept. Mutual pining and starcrossed love separated by terrible fate are popular tropes for a reason. There is something terribly romantic in the idea that they will always love each other even when they can never be together. Tragic yes, but also romantic
The "Lancelot is ugly" bit comes from TH White's novel "The Ill-Made Knight," which forms part of his saga The Once and Future King. (This includes "The Sword and the Stone," adapted by Disney, and as a whole was adapted into the musical Camelot.)
"Only a couple of centuries" Let me get the numbers. Roman Brittain: 40 AD - 410 AD. Roman Greece: 31 BC - 1000 AD (give or take I ain't a cop) Roman Spain: ca 800 BC - 400a AD Point being in a time where the fastest travel was a dude on a horse, 400 years is not *that* long a time. Heck if we go back 400 years today we would find ourselves in the 1600s and the Little Ice Age.
all ill say is when i first watched this video i got very annoyed when i learned excalibur is caliburn is caledfwlch, because in homestuck theres a villain named caliborn, or lord english, who can only be hurt by the sword caledfwlch, and one of the characters even comments asking what welsh has to do with anything and i never looked it up.
here is a really horrifying fact in FGO the lady of the lake vivian is one of morgan alteregos because she started to suffer existential crisis due to her being half fairy and being the chosen one of the land so to reiterate morgan pendragon = morgan le fae=lady of the lake meaning morgan iin fgo tried to sleep with her adopted son and most of the round table knights are her children and descendants.
well... that as well, but it also means that Morgan was the one who gave Artoria, her nemesis, her greatest weapon... although simultaneously, I guess all the seals on Excalibur also meant that Artoria couldn't have used it at its full power against her anyways. But yeah, in Fate, Morgan basically has a split personality... and that might even be before taking into account that she's also the Lady of the Lake.
They said that at that point Excalibur wasn't considered magical it was just a really good sword, but for a long time really good weapons and the people who could make them were looked at as a kind of magic by the people who couldn't make them themselves.
The britons of the 400s would later split into the Welsh, Cornish, Bretons (Yes those ones in northern france, it's weird), and Cumbrians (Who don't exist anymore as far as I know. By modern maps their region would have been northern england and southern lowland scotland.) So yeah calling Arthur welsh is perhaps incorrect by technicality but it's a useful way to put it in order for modern people to understand what you're saying without all that historical context.
11:05 that's a common misconception because the average age of death was around 40, but that's averaging all the people who lived till their 10-80 against all the rampant child mortality, essentially if you could make it past childhood back then you'd have a good chance of living for a while, just a lot op kids didn't, most dying as babies because keeping those things alive without modern medicine is hard. hence why people had to have like 8-12 kids just in hop that a couple would make it to adult hood.
to be fair, Arabic culture kind of changed as time went on, as the fundamentalists took over, and started 'getting rid of' those they didn't agree with
you are correct you were an official adult for males and females were considered adults at the age of 12 and 13 and some historical marriages were between 11 and 12 this was due to the fact that during this time period of 536-542AD the world was facing a massive climate disaster due to a debated super eruption of Krakatoa. there's 2 documentaries of 535AD. and in the longer one tells of Poems that closely resembles Kings Authors' Brutal England. and the first ever outbreak of bubonic plague. this was roughly 600 years before the black death that killed 1/3 of Europe. in fact this killed about 35% of worlds population. not only Europe but Africa and all the way to China as well. but we only learn the plagues of 12th century in school.
For the record, there is no incest in Oshi no Ko. People in the fanbase joke about it, and the Author has been trolling us with the possibility of it in these last couple chapter, but their stuff is typically relatively grounded so it's highly unlikely to actually happen. Also, and this info is second hand so I have no idea how valid it is, but a friend of mine told me once before that there are people that think the "Island of Avalon" in Arthurian Legend is meant to represent what we know today as the "Island" that is the American Continent. Meaning, in a sense, "King Arthur was American". Personally, I couldn't care less how valid any of that is, because god damn just the idea that it possibly is true and some people who might actually think that exist makes me laugh my ass off!😂😂😂 And you just KNOW that if those people exist they have GOT to be American. It is by far the most Entitled American thing I have ever heard, and it's BEAUTIFUL.😂
11:06 Average age in medieval times could be pretty misleading. Child mortality was super high, which dragged the average down a lot. From what I understand most people who made it past childhood typically lived into their 60s or 70s at least.
lower average age is due to severe infant mortality, people used to live to like 60 or 70 and some managed to live to their 90s, the 20 years are shaved off by all the kids dying, and their mothers occasionally following shortly
Little confused as to why he said Merlin getting the power of prophesy was pointless. Merlin's innate knowledge was on the past and present, but prophesies are meant to predict the future, so being given the power of prophesy would have been an addition.
Honestly, it's also important to consider that most marriages between those of noble blood were done purely for reasons other than love, like gaining influence, having children that inherit the title and such things. Under these circumstances, it's not all that hard to imagine a situation where the relationship is purely transactional and either one side needs an actual loving partner and the other partner doesn't need to know since there are no romantic feelings involved, or where both sides acknowledge the transactional nature, treat each other more like friends and allow each other to have relationships with other people so long as things stay on the down low
11:10 people dying at 40 is sort of a myth / misunderstanding. Yes average age was 40, but that is because the child mortality rate was so high. If you made it in to your teens then your life expectancy was about 70.
I could be wrong, but I think the reason why China is highlighted in the beginning is because of the British colony at Hong Kong… or maybe because of the British presence in Shanghai, Guangzhou, etc. after the Boxer Rebellion? Or maybe a bit of both?
23:27 lol i know right? if only they had a series that discussed common tropes and how they can be best utilized called "Trope Talk" or something oh wait
Fun Fact: there is an English king named Arthur 2nd. Because at the time King Arthur was considered a historical figure. So yeah there is no Arthur 1st in the English monarchy.
Given the release, I thought you'd do Gilgamesh next. Though I agree with you that Red's videos on them are good. I, however, as a devout Arthurian, CANNOT condone the Gawain bashing. Also, much of the original Arthurian stories supposedly came from Wales and Rome, since King Arthur supposedly came from a Roman General named Artorias, which was found on a cross written in gaelic text; which might be the original material. Many of the more important characters like Gwinevere, Merlin, Morded, Gawain and Mordred were Welsh in origin. In fact, Excalibur originates from the word "Calibern" which nust means "Sword." Most of the other stuff either comes from Celtic Myth, like the Green Knight and all that Fae shit, or from additions created by and after Thomas Mallory's "Le Morte de Arthur." FUN FACT: within later editions, each knight has some spell, blessing or magical item that gives them great power. Sir Kay, Arthur's adoptive brother, was nited for extreme endurance to where he could go without eating, sleeping or even breathing for nine days. My boy Gawain gained Excalibur's sister sword, the black blade Galatine. The cool thing was that Galatine increased his strength as the sun rose higher in the sky, making him almost stronger than the half-giant knight Galehaut. If that sounds vaguely familiar: Yes, Escanor from Seven Deadly Sins totally was inspired by him. (EDIT) - HAHAHA, Yeah; Lancelot WAS a Simp and a Gary Stu. Well, until someone actually gave him consequences for his actions. Still, dude was down bad, and became the villain because he couldn't keep his sword in his sheath. Well, also from the fact that King Arthur himself ultimately broke the laws of Camelot by not beheading Gwinevere and Launcelot for their debauchery, because she was still the wife he loved and he was still his best friend and (used to be) his most trused knight. He was hurt, badly, but couldn't go through with the law because he didn't want to kill those closest to him. And this led to the downfall from a prophecy: that Camelot will fall when its laws are truly broken. And given the ensuing civil war of knights split between Mordred, Arthur and Launcelot; let's just say that prophecy couldn't be more literal. Yeah, I don't have a high opinion of Launcelot. Hell, I have more respect for their cook. At least Gareth was an honorable knight, even if for one story and to prove a petty point.
I think he's following the "legends playlist" so next should be Arthurs Knights and then El Dorado (skipping over the journey to the west stuff since he's already done those)
Fun fact about the average age being 40 thing. It's not that people who turned 40 are considered extremly old. It's an average. The high amount of Child mortality in the Dark ages slanted the averages. It wasn't at all uncommon to sea modern considered elderly, high 60s to even in their 70s.
5:50 "Weird being immortalised by a fictional story" ... 🤨😑🤔😁😄😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Imma say nothing and just suggest to watch Reds newest video conveniently dropped just a couple hours ago.
The title is hilarious because (SPOILER for OSP’s latest video) Red has admitted she couldn’t care less for the Fate Series but she’s incredibly annoyed by the depictions of Gilgamesh and Iskandar, which if swapped would seem much closer to how their described (that is to say, Gilgamesh looks like Iskandar and vice versa).
Just watched that yesterday. Lol.
@@MusicFan752 Same
*Alexander IRRC
@@kacperkonieczny7333 In Fate he goes by the given name Iskandar
@@Taygon45well congratulations to them being wrong.
In terms of that "lower average age", baby deaths tend to hold a huge fraction of the reason.
Indeed, while 'expectancy' was lower, "natural" lifespan could still be 70-90, especially for the rich.
@AscendtionArc Not so much the rich as it was the decently rich. The excessively rich tended to round the corner and start backtracking on life expectancy as their wealth made acquiring particular illnesses (like gout) more common and assassination attempts more likely.
About Arthur possibly being Welsh. You were right he was. Very basically speaking:
The Picts became the Scottish.
The Saxons became the English.
And the Britons (Arthur) became the Welsh.
What's that saying? "Americans think a hundred years is a long time; Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way."
"It's literally waifu syndrome, was Guinevere are Vtuber and Lancelot a simp?"
I laughed so hard I think I have no laughs left this life
Heh, it's funny cuz it's true
"Can you actually still be a Mary Sue if you're actually a simp?"
Your comment about achieving immortality through story is hilariously timely considering that the newest OSP video about The Epic of Gilgamesh (which you should totally react to BTW, Red even went on a minor rant at the end about how Gilgamesh is portrayed in the Fate series) premiered just yesterday as of my writing this.
The reason you think Arthur is Welsh is because the Welsh are Britons and the English are the Saxons
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Sort of at that times britons were a mix group of britonic celts and roman refugees
Also exstra bits that due to fact theybased alot their research on outdated consensus the saxons didnt just imvade many were allready here the roman britons hired angles saxons and jutes as mercineries to defend against pictosh raiders as rome had hired germanic grouos like the saxons to fight other tribes for them in later years as it colapsed
Roman Britons failed to keep paying the saxons so they in oted their friends from back home to come take over roman settlments
Over time the welsh britins had conflict with the new kingdoms forming on the east coast and led to the germanic trobes pushing west to take more land which split off from theeastern kingdoms to form their own kingdoms
don't forget there's a sequal video about Arthur's knights~
I actually read one story of one of the knights, and he actually became the holder of the title of Black Knight for a time before Arthur went to find him.
Considering it has Part A in the title...
@@Maswartz226part A for *this* video since he had to cut it early. The sequal video talks about all the adventures of arthurs knights.
The beauty of Old English is that a *lot* more things make sense. Because at that point there was no Norse or French influence yet, and so English was mostly a taped-together combination of Germanic with bits of Latin and Celctic.
Which by the way also means that English to this day is a variant of Low German, technically!
One: Wise man knows he knows nothing. So being happy about being wrong is a good thing. Two: Anywhere in the old world few centuries is meh.
Hell, if you ask the natives in the new world, a few centuries also isn't anything.
Btw it is important to know that "average life expentancy of ~40" is accounting for an ATROTIOUS level of infant mortality not really that most people died all that young. If you got past infant mortality and there was not a major epidemic or famine going around then you would mostly be good.
Most people would still be able to hang out and learn from their grandfather or even great grandfather a lot of the time.
The average age of people was 40, because most people died as babies. When you were past childhood, you had a pretty decent chance of living well past 40. So, 15 was probably not considered a child, but pretty young still for taking on a kingship or other role of responsibility. Not unheard of, though.
Most young rulers had a regent.
I don't think "love's desire is never to be fulfilled" is a concept that is supposed to be tied to purity from bodily corruption. I think it's like Sappho's poems, where the desire is a consuming, heart-rending thing. It's tragic, it's dramatic, and for that reason, it evokes emotions in the reader or listener on the power and sway of love on and in ourselves. If we pine for one we cannot have, it is a pain within us, one we can never let go of. Ultimately, it's not a more pure form of love, it is a powerful and more tragic form of it. And *drama* has always been popular.
Reminds me of Young Werther. Poor lad couldn't move on and accept his crush lived life with or without him - in particular with another man. Horrible thing.
Let that be a lesson folks: DON'T BE A SIMP.
Airier, the reason Merlin was given the gift of prophecy in addition to perfect knowledge of the past and present makes complete sense. The writers absolutely didn’t get lazy. After all: what is the definition of prophecy?
Here’s a little hint: it’s got nothing to do with the past and present, but rather another point in time, one that is actually neither the past nor the present
Funny thing, the "Lancelot, lose this joust for me" was done in the film "A Knight's Tale"... and it was funny as hell.
The thing about "Love is a desire never to be fulfilled" is probably supposed to be closer to the idea that "the journey is the real treasure", rather than the whole "self-insert" or "some things are beautiful because you can't have them" stuff... although that latter one might be part of it if the idea is that being in love with someone is very different from actually being in a relationship as a lover with them, some relationships only work out because there's a distance between the partners. You can also interpret a bit of self-punishment into it, of course a very religious concept of abstinence, not just sexual, but also in general, fasting is also part of that, also kinda similar to what some buddhists put themselves through to reach nirvana. You could discuss these ideas at length, that's part of why they captured the French back then, these are more philosophical ideas that can be interpreted and thus discussed in various ways than clear statements.
Also gotta point out how Fates interpretation basically perfectly, even if probably unintentionally, managed to preserve at least part of Lancelots and Guineveres "courtly love"-schtick as it was originally intended.
As for why people may sort the whole Arturian myth closer to the 1500s... I'd imagine that's because where most people would tend to stick medieval stuff if they have no actual dates otherwise to work off of, and with the classical setting of stone castles with cannons and fully armored knights and stuff... even if that's at best at the tail end of the medieval time, when there were already the first guns around, and it's really already getting more into the age of exploration with people traveling to the "new world", but again, when people don't have any other historical dates to work off of... but yeah, Fate is actually pretty accurate and consistent there as well by saying that everything around Camelot is set around 500AD... and while Nasu also kept some aspects about Arthurs campaign against... the Roman Empire... specifically some guy called Lucius Tiberius I think, which makes no sense from a historical standpoint, at the same time, by keeping Artoria mostly focused on Britain, he kinda sidestepped any major issues there as well.
Funny, you should mention Fate. OSP’s brand new video on the epic of Gilgamesh ends with Red ranting about Servant designs
"I know they didn't control China"
That, my friend, is a very sad story.
Does this have anything to do with the price of tea in china? Pretty sure blue covered that, too.
@@DD-tf5qbI thought that was an Opium reference.
Be it real life, fiction, or both... Merlin shall always be known as the Dick Wizard😂
The map at 0:52 appears to depict countries that have been invaded and/or partially occupied by England/Great Britain/UK.
Don’t know where you got the “Lancelot is ugly” thing, because he was literally an OC. Every description I’ve ever seen of his describes him as beautiful. And yes, he was a Mary sue.
Also, the Merlin thing: she said the devil gave him knowledge of past and present while god gave him prophecy (which is future) basically he has knowledge of past, present, and future.
That's from "A Once and Future King" and as far as I can tell only that.
When you realize Lancelot was just someone's OC ship-fic.
No, "historical Arthur" as in an *actual person* who inspired the legend. Geoffrey Ashe has a couple books on narrowing down he lived, figuring out who he was, and defending the legitimacy of his burial site in Glastonbury. The records are spotty, but slightly less so when you're willing to get into church documents and, critically, personal letters.
No he's not. No serious historian today identifies Arthur with any single historical person.
If you want Red and Blue collab video ideas, might I suggest "One villainous scene: you must be the belmont". Disregard if you haven't seen the Castlevania anime, but if you have, its a really good watch.
13:00 I could swear that “caledfwlch” is referenced in the Deen Stay Night anime and the Fate route when Gilgamesh attacks Shirou and Artoria. Artoria brandishes Caliburn, and Gilgamesh pulls out “Caledfwlch” to brag about it being an older origin for “a sword that selects the King”. In Strange Fake, he pulls out an EVEN OLDER sword named Merodach that is evidently the first blade ever forged to appoint kingship, using it as a measuring stick to see if his opponent is able to withstand it and thus worthy of facing Ea.
Also the term for the male equivalent of a Mary Sue is a Gary Stu
Ehhhh...ideally, Mary Sue should be a gender neutral term for any character who breaks the laws of the world they're in.
@@BJGvideos If that is the case, the name should be gender neutral as well. Something that does not make you think male or female.
@@Kairukurumi Because it's named after a specific character that was set up to satirize an archetype. We think nothing of applying male names as neutral, as well.
@@BJGvideos Then it seems we are at an impasse
24:48 Also, a "grail" was not actually a cup, but a kind of serving platter.
The name of the Roman commander they talk about 4:53 was Lucius Artorius Castus and he was the version of King Arthur that I believe was most likely real despite the information that has been lost to history.
No serious modern historian says that. Researchers have largely stopped trying to identify Arthur with a single historical figure since the 1980s.
@@samrevlej9331 Lucius Artorius Castus did exist according to physical evidence found and he seems like the most likely candidate the STORY of Arthur was based on in my opinion. Whether or not he did become a ruler is irrelevant. But again, this is my OPINION, if you want to try to tear it down I’m going to consider you nothing but an internet troll. We do know that Lucius Artorius Castus did defend Hadrian’s Wall in ancient times.
9:25 Yes, this is a different Brutus. Geoffrey wanted Britain to see eye-to-eye with Rome(!) when it comes to having a illustrious history. So he invented another survivor of the Fall of Troy, Brutus, (similar to how the Romans claimed that Aeneas [who at least was a character in the Illiad existing before] was the ancestor of the founders of Rome).
There also was a probably more historical Brutus, Lucius Junius Brutus, who was pivotal in overthrowing his uncle Tarquinius Superbus, the last king of Rome and establishing the Republic. But the Brutus most think of when hearing the name is his long descendant Marcus Junius Brutus, reluctantly playing his role in the assassination of Gaius Julius Caesar. It is probably from these that Geoffrey took his inspiration for the name of the Troyan Brutus he invented for his pseudo-history of Britain.
Not the last time survivors of Troy are gonna be used as convenient out for the origin of non-Christian mythological figures if he keeps watching OSP-videos.
Like, correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't BOTH the Norse gods AND the Irish gods turned into "survivors of Troy" or at least something of the sort in their christianized rewrites?
@@Justic_ Yeah, Medieval Western/Northern Europeans loved Troy (unlike the later post-Renaissance love for Greece). I think this might be a result of seeing Europe/Christendom vs the East (mostly Muslims, but critically for the Troy comparison also the Byzantines) and extending that backwards into Rome vs Persia to Greece vs Troy. And since their contemporary Greeks were considered more "Eastern" than "Western" they associated themselves with Troy like Rome did.
@@Justic_ For the Norse gods you are absolutely correct. The infamous Snorri Sturluson created a backstory in his prologue to the Edda made the Aesir indeed survivors of Troy (a section that might have been added later even has cringeworthy etymology, like Thor = Ökuthor = Hektor).
Among the Irish peoples the Lebor Gabála Érenn (Book of invasions) is not mentioning one of the waves of settlers as coming from Troy. With Partholon we get close it with Greece and the idea that the Scythians (Nemed, leader of one of the waves of settlement was considered one) where the descents of Scota, ein Egyptian princess. What at least some later versions of the Book of Invasions, starting in the 14th century, are doing is using Troy as reference point for the time frame of their narrative. So we get stuff like this.
"In the eighth year of the reign of Bellepares there came the plague of Partholon’s people. It is then that Hercules captured Troy. Sosarmus was king of the world at the time. Sixty years between the two Takings, that is 30 years after the plague till Nemed came, and 20 years after the coming of Nemed, till Troy was captured for the last time."
The actual gods (thinly veiled in the narrative) are the Thuatha de Danann. In the Book of invasions, which "humanizes" them they are a different branch of the descendants of Nemed, of those who when North instead of those who went South to become the Fir Bolg.
12:45 From what I've read:
Caliburn is The Sword in the Stone.
Excalibur was given to Arthur by the Lady of the Lake.
14:30 I actually remember Lancelot as the most handsome, charismatic and (sometimes, depending on the version) most arrogant of Arthur’s knights. One trait I remember was his luscious blonde hair. P.S I believe in some versions Lancelot is actually Arthur’s best friend.
That courtly love stuff hasn’t changed, it’s just called simping now. Men have had the urge to simp for eons.
Been in fandom long enough to know women and enbies do it too. Just no one talks about it for some reason.
😊 23:20 you mean like some kind TROPE TALK? that's a ridiculous concept😂😂😂
i love that thedanish flag that Denmark got at the year 1219... if this is supose to be year 400ish it just makes it even harder fanfic when the art shows a flag that comes later 21:40
In this video!
Airier repeatedly realizing that people have always been people, in new and fascinatingly intricate ways! 😆
Love seeing your stuff dude. Can't wait to see more! 😊👍
Speaking of "Mary Sue," Red dd a Trope Talk on it that might be handy to watch when you get the time.
Lancelot literally an ancient Mary Sue
Wait, does this make Merlin the “ORIGINAL” pervy sage?
About Lancelot, I've heard that maybe "The knight of the cart" (Lancelot's first story), was written tongue in cheek, with Chretien and his patroness laughing about the madness of "courtly love".
Don't know if I fully agree, but I can believe it was the author saying "He's a fool. Just a very skilled one". People took it seriously, though, wathever the intent of his creator.
I have no idea if that's true, but I'm making it my head canon immediately. 😁
"Oh my god Lancelot is a SIMP!"
I nearly snorted my youghurt through my nose at that.
He has perfect knowledge of the past and future, but time is constantly shifting in changing, so he needs prophecy.
14:35 I do remember that, back then, there was a widespread belief that an ugly personality/ugly soul manifested as physical ugliness.
Regarding the timeframe of Arthurian legend, since most of his stories are set in post-Roman Britain (400s-600s, aka "The Dark AgesTM"), it makes no sense for him to have a stone castle, knights, or to have mail and plate armor, as those are from the High to Late Middle Ages (1100-1500). But since high medieval chroniclers and artists were incapable of imagining the past as anything else than resembling their own, all the sources and artwork for the mythos present Arthur and his posse as author-contemporary knights etc.
Also, yes, Arthur is a Welsh legend, as in a legend propagated by the original Celtic Britons who fought against the Anglo-Saxons, and they were eventually pushed westward into Wales (obviously most Celtic Britons living in modern-day England didn't vanish, flee or get killed by the Anglo-Saxons, and kept living side-by-side with them, but they weren't the dominant cultural influence anymore).
Look at it this way: a failure by definition requires a win condition. If there’s no win, there’s no loss either. The pining is the point.
17:38 Except the concept of courtly love probably didn't exist or at least wasn't widespread in Britain when Geoffrey of Monmouth wrote that about Uther in the early 1100s (it was just getting started on the continent), even more so if Geoffrey was just compiling older legends. This was probably just an old legend about dudes being masculine by having lots of s*x.
I know it's already been said, but yeah, the thing about the average life span being lower in the past is more due to infant mortality. But on top of that, while it was still more likely you'd die at...well pretty much any age due to some random injury or disease, it still was fairly common for some elders to make it to their 80s or what have you. The average person, once past childhood, could expect to make it to their 60s and that would be pretty normal. Its a bit difficult to figure out the actual estimates without diving into the data, which doesn't always exist of course.
Also that Welsh word doesn't seem too hard to pronounce. I'm not an expert, but with a bit of wiki reading, it looks like "caledfwlch" would be (in International Phonetic Alphabet) /kalɛdvʊlχ/, which I can't quite put into perfect English orthography because that final consonant doesn't exist in English but its similar to the velar fricative at the end of 'loch' in its proper Scottish pronunciation. In IPA, that's /x/, while /χ/ is produced further back in the mouth. So, the best approximation would be something like "kaledvoolx" with that last 'x' being the 'ch' from 'loch'. Or maybe 'kahlehdvoolx' to make it clear the a and e are both short vowels.
19:48 The Reconquista was simply the Christian reconquest of Iberia. Spain didn't exist in any form yet.
Courtly love is not (allways) about carnal love, but about pining from afar for your one true love who were married of to someone else. Almost no historical marriages were (entirely) about love after all... You have lost the chance of a happy mariage and all that remains for you two are chaste coutly love...
Wait until they get to the Green Knight.
Okay, wasn't expecting to need to break out the Welsh twice. Let's see. "Myrddin Wyllt" would be IPA /mɨ̞rðɪn wɨ̞ɬt/ which is...considerably more difficult for an English speaker. The weird 'i'-like vowel isn't really in English at all. It's somewhere between an /i/ and a /u/, a close high central vowel. But, apparently in Southern Welsh, its commonly just pronounced as /ɪ/, the vowel of English "bit", or as I might write it, "ih". The 'short' i vowel. The 'dd' is making a dental fricative, so imagine English 'th', the unvoiced variant as in 'these'. The double l is a rare phoneme that I only know from Welsh and Nahuatl (the Aztec language), being the "voiceless alveolar lateral fricative". Basically, make your tongue like you're gonna say 'l' and instead blow air through, around the sides of your tongue. To my ears it always sounds a little bit like 'l' followed by 'sh'.
Oh and also the 'r' here is rolled, like the Spanish trill, so since that doesn't exist in English either I'll write it like in Spanish with "rr".
So, "Myrddin Wyllt" would be like..."Mirrthin Wilsht". Sort of. Approximately.
🤣10:34 real history is stranger than fiction in some ways
"I thought he was Welsh" - Funny thing, that. The word Welsh actually comes from the Saxon word for foreigners, "wealas", which was their name for the native Britons. As the Anglo-Saxon conquest completed, the Britons only retained power in Wales and Cornwall (the "wall" bit has the same etymology as Wales). Eventually, England came to rule those two regions as well.
Arthur would be welsh as modern England comes from the anglo-saxon kingdoms that come after arthur and Arthur's people would be pushed to modern day wales
I want to note, that iirc, the main reason the life expectancy was so low back in the day, was, because child mortality was high, once you survived childhood, your life expectancy rose into your 70s.
Despite the character designs, FGO actually does some *Insane* research for their roster, they reference weird obscure myths all the time
Caledfwlch might be familiar to you because that's the actual name of the sword nuke of choice that Archer Emiya in the fate series is always cloning (and the thing he shoots Berserker from across the city with in UBW), Caladbolg
Well, in Fate, the idea is that Caledfwlch served as prototype for both Excalibur and Caladbolg. Saying Caledfwlch is the "actual name" of Caladbolg feels a bit inaccurate or at least simplified when you take into account that one is Welsh and the other Irish, at best it feels like they simply have the same etymological root in Celtic, instead of that one's the "true name"
if you want to continue the fate train may i recommend the OSP video about Cú Chulainn and Fionn Mac Cumhail
Merlin needs prophecy in order to see the future. Because knowing the past and present is completely different to knowing the future.
There is one time when Red kind of talks about history, and that's the El Dorado episode.
Mary Sue was just recognized as a trope way too late and should be named Lancelot.
I'm currently in a dnd d20 modern crossover game that's post apocalyptic Arthurian legend. My character is a usmc attached to NATO. The other modern character is a theology major larper who is the descendant of king Arthur and the green knight. My character currently is doing a grunts and crafts project to make the most obnoxiously British guntruck, only somebody was yanking my chain at the motor pool.
Unfulfilled desire is a classic trope and considering it historically came from poetry and stories I could see why the tragedy aspect was seen as noble and heartbreaking but not necessarily bad. Think of how many stories Romeo and Juliet inspired, which is largely based on the same concept. Mutual pining and starcrossed love separated by terrible fate are popular tropes for a reason. There is something terribly romantic in the idea that they will always love each other even when they can never be together. Tragic yes, but also romantic
New term The Simpeu a marry sue who is also a simp
OSP literally has videos labeled trope talk
The "Lancelot is ugly" bit comes from TH White's novel "The Ill-Made Knight," which forms part of his saga The Once and Future King. (This includes "The Sword and the Stone," adapted by Disney, and as a whole was adapted into the musical Camelot.)
Oh god!!! The concepts of waifus and simps were there the whole time!!!!
"Only a couple of centuries"
Let me get the numbers.
Roman Brittain: 40 AD - 410 AD.
Roman Greece: 31 BC - 1000 AD (give or take I ain't a cop)
Roman Spain: ca 800 BC - 400a AD
Point being in a time where the fastest travel was a dude on a horse, 400 years is not *that* long a time.
Heck if we go back 400 years today we would find ourselves in the 1600s and the Little Ice Age.
If you consider the Eastern Roman Empire Roman Greece (perhaps Greek Rome is more accurate after a certain point lol) could be extended to 1453.
all ill say is when i first watched this video i got very annoyed when i learned excalibur is caliburn is caledfwlch, because in homestuck theres a villain named caliborn, or lord english, who can only be hurt by the sword caledfwlch, and one of the characters even comments asking what welsh has to do with anything and i never looked it up.
When we are wrong it is the perfect opportunity for us learn and to get things right.
here is a really horrifying fact in FGO
the lady of the lake vivian is one of morgan alteregos because she started to suffer existential crisis due to her being half fairy and being the chosen one of the land so to reiterate morgan pendragon = morgan le fae=lady of the lake meaning morgan iin fgo tried to sleep with her adopted son and most of the round table knights are her children and descendants.
well... that as well, but it also means that Morgan was the one who gave Artoria, her nemesis, her greatest weapon... although simultaneously, I guess all the seals on Excalibur also meant that Artoria couldn't have used it at its full power against her anyways.
But yeah, in Fate, Morgan basically has a split personality... and that might even be before taking into account that she's also the Lady of the Lake.
I'd recommend Extra History for the First Crusade.
Or as I would say: "When it comes to France, I don't use my head😉"
They said that at that point Excalibur wasn't considered magical it was just a really good sword, but for a long time really good weapons and the people who could make them were looked at as a kind of magic by the people who couldn't make them themselves.
Fun fact out of all the media out there only a few Called Avalon an Island and the Show Gargoyles made sure you knew it
The britons of the 400s would later split into the Welsh, Cornish, Bretons (Yes those ones in northern france, it's weird), and Cumbrians (Who don't exist anymore as far as I know. By modern maps their region would have been northern england and southern lowland scotland.)
So yeah calling Arthur welsh is perhaps incorrect by technicality but it's a useful way to put it in order for modern people to understand what you're saying without all that historical context.
11:05 that's a common misconception because the average age of death was around 40, but that's averaging all the people who lived till their 10-80 against all the rampant child mortality, essentially if you could make it past childhood back then you'd have a good chance of living for a while, just a lot op kids didn't, most dying as babies because keeping those things alive without modern medicine is hard. hence why people had to have like 8-12 kids just in hop that a couple would make it to adult hood.
to be fair, Arabic culture kind of changed as time went on, as the fundamentalists took over, and started 'getting rid of' those they didn't agree with
Does this make Lancelot the first documented Mary (Marty) Sue?
Lancelot was ugly in T.H White's 'The Once and Future King', which is the definitive modern King Arthur story
3:27 Hadrian's Wall i just know the name and that is it.😃
you are correct you were an official adult for males and females were considered adults at the age of 12 and 13 and some historical marriages were between 11 and 12 this was due to the fact that during this time period of 536-542AD the world was facing a massive climate disaster due to a debated super eruption of Krakatoa. there's 2 documentaries of 535AD. and in the longer one tells of Poems that closely resembles Kings Authors' Brutal England. and the first ever outbreak of bubonic plague. this was roughly 600 years before the black death that killed 1/3 of Europe.
in fact this killed about 35% of worlds population. not only Europe but Africa and all the way to China as well. but we only learn the plagues of 12th century in school.
For the record, there is no incest in Oshi no Ko. People in the fanbase joke about it, and the Author has been trolling us with the possibility of it in these last couple chapter, but their stuff is typically relatively grounded so it's highly unlikely to actually happen.
Also, and this info is second hand so I have no idea how valid it is, but a friend of mine told me once before that there are people that think the "Island of Avalon" in Arthurian Legend is meant to represent what we know today as the "Island" that is the American Continent. Meaning, in a sense, "King Arthur was American".
Personally, I couldn't care less how valid any of that is, because god damn just the idea that it possibly is true and some people who might actually think that exist makes me laugh my ass off!😂😂😂 And you just KNOW that if those people exist they have GOT to be American. It is by far the most Entitled American thing I have ever heard, and it's BEAUTIFUL.😂
I have read history books that name a very early Welsh King as one of the possible sources for Arthur.
another reason (along with the other ones cited in the comments) for thinking Arthur was Welsh: Annales Cambriae means "annals of Wales"
I don’t know, whether that comment about trope talks was ironic, but red has a series with that exact name, if you are interested
11:06 Average age in medieval times could be pretty misleading. Child mortality was super high, which dragged the average down a lot. From what I understand most people who made it past childhood typically lived into their 60s or 70s at least.
May I suggest the video on the Epic of Gilgamesh and their video on Frankenstein. They're good.
lower average age is due to severe infant mortality, people used to live to like 60 or 70 and some managed to live to their 90s, the 20 years are shaved off by all the kids dying, and their mothers occasionally following shortly
I would recommend overly sarcastic parodies video on wales because yes
Little confused as to why he said Merlin getting the power of prophesy was pointless. Merlin's innate knowledge was on the past and present, but prophesies are meant to predict the future, so being given the power of prophesy would have been an addition.
This was posted a couple of minutes ago and thirteen other people had already liked it. Not to mention 40 views.
People are quick😮
Honestly, it's also important to consider that most marriages between those of noble blood were done purely for reasons other than love, like gaining influence, having children that inherit the title and such things. Under these circumstances, it's not all that hard to imagine a situation where the relationship is purely transactional and either one side needs an actual loving partner and the other partner doesn't need to know since there are no romantic feelings involved, or where both sides acknowledge the transactional nature, treat each other more like friends and allow each other to have relationships with other people so long as things stay on the down low
11:10 people dying at 40 is sort of a myth / misunderstanding. Yes average age was 40, but that is because the child mortality rate was so high. If you made it in to your teens then your life expectancy was about 70.
I could be wrong, but I think the reason why China is highlighted in the beginning is because of the British colony at Hong Kong… or maybe because of the British presence in Shanghai, Guangzhou, etc. after the Boxer Rebellion? Or maybe a bit of both?
23:27 lol i know right? if only they had a series that discussed common tropes and how they can be best utilized called "Trope Talk" or something
oh wait
Fun Fact: there is an English king named Arthur 2nd. Because at the time King Arthur was considered a historical figure. So yeah there is no Arthur 1st in the English monarchy.
Given the release, I thought you'd do Gilgamesh next. Though I agree with you that Red's videos on them are good. I, however, as a devout Arthurian, CANNOT condone the Gawain bashing.
Also, much of the original Arthurian stories supposedly came from Wales and Rome, since King Arthur supposedly came from a Roman General named Artorias, which was found on a cross written in gaelic text; which might be the original material. Many of the more important characters like Gwinevere, Merlin, Morded, Gawain and Mordred were Welsh in origin. In fact, Excalibur originates from the word "Calibern" which nust means "Sword."
Most of the other stuff either comes from Celtic Myth, like the Green Knight and all that Fae shit, or from additions created by and after Thomas Mallory's "Le Morte de Arthur." FUN FACT: within later editions, each knight has some spell, blessing or magical item that gives them great power. Sir Kay, Arthur's adoptive brother, was nited for extreme endurance to where he could go without eating, sleeping or even breathing for nine days. My boy Gawain gained Excalibur's sister sword, the black blade Galatine. The cool thing was that Galatine increased his strength as the sun rose higher in the sky, making him almost stronger than the half-giant knight Galehaut. If that sounds vaguely familiar: Yes, Escanor from Seven Deadly Sins totally was inspired by him.
(EDIT) - HAHAHA, Yeah; Lancelot WAS a Simp and a Gary Stu. Well, until someone actually gave him consequences for his actions. Still, dude was down bad, and became the villain because he couldn't keep his sword in his sheath. Well, also from the fact that King Arthur himself ultimately broke the laws of Camelot by not beheading Gwinevere and Launcelot for their debauchery, because she was still the wife he loved and he was still his best friend and (used to be) his most trused knight. He was hurt, badly, but couldn't go through with the law because he didn't want to kill those closest to him. And this led to the downfall from a prophecy: that Camelot will fall when its laws are truly broken. And given the ensuing civil war of knights split between Mordred, Arthur and Launcelot; let's just say that prophecy couldn't be more literal.
Yeah, I don't have a high opinion of Launcelot. Hell, I have more respect for their cook. At least Gareth was an honorable knight, even if for one story and to prove a petty point.
I think he's following the "legends playlist" so next should be Arthurs Knights and then El Dorado (skipping over the journey to the west stuff since he's already done those)
Fun fact about the average age being 40 thing. It's not that people who turned 40 are considered extremly old.
It's an average. The high amount of Child mortality in the Dark ages slanted the averages.
It wasn't at all uncommon to sea modern considered elderly, high 60s to even in their 70s.
Prophecy is future not past or present.
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"Weird being immortalised by a fictional story" ...
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Imma say nothing and just suggest to watch Reds newest video conveniently dropped just a couple hours ago.