I’m glad the video aged pretty well, I feel like you were on the money that pariston and beyond had a interest in the war going a special way good stuff
Thank you! In particular, I've never seen any other HxH fans talk about They Were Eleven, so I was glad to feature it (and I do think the nature of Togashi's reference to it is relevant).
I have always been on board with the Belerainte/Pariston theory for all the reasons you brought up. I might also add that room 1013 is just next to 1014 which makes day 1 murders more possible. I don't agree with Satobi being the killer, he is not a nen user and I don't think Togashi would introduce someone as skilled in aura detection as Furykov and make the entire solution based on a nen user hiding themselves from him, it wouldn't be satisfying. So there is only one secret nen user and that is Longhi. Spoilers 401 And now that Longhi is revealed as a red herring that leaves the only nen user in class not including Furykov and that is Belerainte
This makes a lot of sense (and also thank you for marking spoilers, so let me do that too!). *Spoilers 401* But while someone being skilled enough to escape Furykov's detection would be surprising, it's not unheard of to have really insane control over your aura - look at Ging doing "pip play" to impress Beyond's expedition group. Someone like that could surely pass undetected, so I wouldn't consider it a totally bogus solution if Satobi can do it because he's just amazing at Nen. And the bigger point to me is, why would Bele work against the class with the murders and then save the class with his speech? Especially when it's up in the air what's gonna happen? It's kind of easy in retrospect to say "He knew he could talk them out of stopping the class" but he wouldn't really know until he did it, so that's a huge gamble if he really wanted to keep the class going. And for what? Barrigen and Myuhan were nobodies. Was it really just for the Bill favor? I'm open to this whole idea but I can't come up with a motive for Pariston/Beyond that matches up with what SM's been doing.
luzurus is 100% a son of broccoli mafia man, so there should be at least 3 false princes. We know zhang lei is the son of onion man, so terror should be the son of beyond (potential, looks and inhumanity or disdain for others' lives), making his sister (evil woman jesus) a more legitimate son than him. I heard some people say that he couldn't because unlike his brothers he wasn't born with nen, but it's clearly stated that the sacrifices were attacked with nen via the curse, which opened their aura nodes and made them develop nen nearly since birth.
This is something I'm gonna discuss in my read-along video (should be out sometime tomorrow). But in the meantime please edit in **401 spoilers** and a line break! Trying to make these vids safe for people who haven't read the new batch.
any thoughts on whether Halkenburg is hiding a closer-than-expected private relationship with Duazul, and if so, what end that might serve? Or could the misdirect, if there is one, have instead involved Camilla and/or Tubeppa?
I tend to think Halk's social media post about not getting on with Duazul was honest just based on his personality. Cammy may have meant that Halk's relationship with Duazul is just a bit less icy than Halk's relationship with Cammy. As for the source of mother/son conflict, I imagine she has high expectations for him and would, say, pressure him to focus on becoming king - when he doesn't even believe there should be a king. That fits with them not really talking but Duazul still scheming on his behalf.
I liked it too but I got a Hot UA-cam Tip that 20-second intro screens were probably making viewers close the video immediately. I'm a big UA-cam noob so I'm trying to be open to feedback about that sort of thing. (But I'm not yet at the point of making The UA-cam Face for my thumbnails.)
@@ExtraOtter Oh yeah, that makes sense. I'll live haha. Though I'm a fan of your thumbnails now, I wouldn't hold it against you if you did end up applying the YT face, it's simply effective even though it's a little... yeah... I look forward to your 401 video and beyond! (pun intended)
i think you forgot that silent majority was attached to loberry. and killed woody alone in the bathroom and then the other bodyguards in a closed room. so i dont think it makes sense that the killer needs to be in the room to use silent majority, it is a remote type ability that parasytes someone to move around and can be dispelled once they hit their target, it is also mentioned it doesnt work well on nen users because it can rebound back if countered so it can only be activated on sure kills, which becomes troublesome once most people in the room develop nen. i think this implies that someone close to fuugetsu and kachou's camp has placed silent majority on loberry, since they have the most access, perhaps someone either in the employment of their mother or on fuugetsus camp since keeney(en) and melody(heartbeat) both are very aware and would probably catch a nen attack on a maid stationed close to them with kacho. the other problem is the first dead bodyguards, kurapika's dowsing chain wouldnt incriminate someone being parasyted, so the host of silent majority was probably stationed among the bodyguards who remained after the second attack, and died once momoze's spirit beast activated or was sayird himself, and was dispelled after the second killing and reattached to loberry. meaning that we need to think about who had access to both loberry and one of the spies among woble's bodyguards. it was probably one of the two who remained after the second attack and were killed by sayird. knowing who those two were spies for would probably narrow it down significantly but i dont think we even find it out, the graph on chalter 360 seems to indicate it was either sevanti or seiko's camp, seiko's camp, with swinko having the chance at infiltrating both and seiko infiltrating sevanti's. both guards killed knew about the succession war but not necessarily about silent majority due to being non-nen users.
It's a pretty popular take. My strongest rebuttal is I just think "it was someone outside we never saw and never could've guessed" is a lame solution to an established mystery. My faith in Togashi is greater than that!
Another bit of evidence to this theory could be that last we see of the Camilia untouchable assigned to Wobble, is her plotting to take the Nen lesson and activate her post-mortem nen curse to take Wobble out
Yes, we gotta see what Sarahell's up to, that'll be covered in my Camilla video. It doesn't seem like she's aware of the Silent Majority happenings, but we don't know that Duazul would have her queensguards sharing info with the Untouchables (they're just there to die, after all - and Sarahell's mission is risky, so better not to tell her more than you have to).
@@ExtraOtter yeah!!! And maybe woble nen beast has some sense of who would harm her or her close companions thats why it’s only appears in some sort of threat or because she is a child and babies sleeps a lot so maybe her nen beast acts like Tserriednich nen beast when he is in zetsu the nen beast disappears so i highly think that’s her nen beast fr and maybe the blood she take when she have the right amount maybe she can grow like gon did so what do you think
For those who've read Chapter 401, I've got a quick addendum to this video here: ua-cam.com/video/u78spznC3b4/v-deo.html
If it’s just Pariston trolling the new rat I’m dead
It's a more believable reason to kill random Oito queensguards on day 1 than almost anyone else in the story has.
Finding good a HxH analysis is really hard, great job and thanks a lot 👍
This is the kind of ultra high level analysis and conversation that makes this arc one of the best i've ever read. Awesome thoughts, keep it up!
Broo you're a detective, keep posting, i rlly love ur analysis!!
Your knowledge and rigor in your analysis is such a breath of fresh air. Your channel is my next binge lol
I’m glad the video aged pretty well, I feel like you were on the money that pariston and beyond had a interest in the war going a special way good stuff
Togashi: Fuck I forgot that shit
I can’t wait for togashi to twist our minds
The reason I like your channel is your extensive catalog in manga & other literature 👌🏽
Thank you! In particular, I've never seen any other HxH fans talk about They Were Eleven, so I was glad to feature it (and I do think the nature of Togashi's reference to it is relevant).
I have always been on board with the Belerainte/Pariston theory for all the reasons you brought up.
I might also add that room 1013 is just next to 1014 which makes day 1 murders more possible.
I don't agree with Satobi being the killer, he is not a nen user and I don't think Togashi would introduce someone as skilled in aura detection as Furykov and make the entire solution based on a nen user hiding themselves from him, it wouldn't be satisfying.
So there is only one secret nen user and that is Longhi.
Spoilers 401
And now that Longhi is revealed as a red herring that leaves the only nen user in class not including Furykov and that is Belerainte
This makes a lot of sense (and also thank you for marking spoilers, so let me do that too!). *Spoilers 401*
But while someone being skilled enough to escape Furykov's detection would be surprising, it's not unheard of to have really insane control over your aura - look at Ging doing "pip play" to impress Beyond's expedition group. Someone like that could surely pass undetected, so I wouldn't consider it a totally bogus solution if Satobi can do it because he's just amazing at Nen.
And the bigger point to me is, why would Bele work against the class with the murders and then save the class with his speech? Especially when it's up in the air what's gonna happen? It's kind of easy in retrospect to say "He knew he could talk them out of stopping the class" but he wouldn't really know until he did it, so that's a huge gamble if he really wanted to keep the class going. And for what? Barrigen and Myuhan were nobodies. Was it really just for the Bill favor? I'm open to this whole idea but I can't come up with a motive for Pariston/Beyond that matches up with what SM's been doing.
luzurus is 100% a son of broccoli mafia man, so there should be at least 3 false princes. We know zhang lei is the son of onion man, so terror should be the son of beyond (potential, looks and inhumanity or disdain for others' lives), making his sister (evil woman jesus) a more legitimate son than him. I heard some people say that he couldn't because unlike his brothers he wasn't born with nen, but it's clearly stated that the sacrifices were attacked with nen via the curse, which opened their aura nodes and made them develop nen nearly since birth.
This is something I'm gonna discuss in my read-along video (should be out sometime tomorrow). But in the meantime please edit in **401 spoilers** and a line break! Trying to make these vids safe for people who haven't read the new batch.
Omg this is the most analytic reading of HxH I’ve ever seen.
Keep these going.
Great video! Seriously! Cant wait for more like this 😄
Great video, great channel.
any thoughts on whether Halkenburg is hiding a closer-than-expected private relationship with Duazul, and if so, what end that might serve? Or could the misdirect, if there is one, have instead involved Camilla and/or Tubeppa?
I tend to think Halk's social media post about not getting on with Duazul was honest just based on his personality. Cammy may have meant that Halk's relationship with Duazul is just a bit less icy than Halk's relationship with Cammy.
As for the source of mother/son conflict, I imagine she has high expectations for him and would, say, pressure him to focus on becoming king - when he doesn't even believe there should be a king. That fits with them not really talking but Duazul still scheming on his behalf.
Thank you for making these videos!
P.S.
I miss the serious string music from the earlier episodes... (hehe)
I liked it too but I got a Hot UA-cam Tip that 20-second intro screens were probably making viewers close the video immediately. I'm a big UA-cam noob so I'm trying to be open to feedback about that sort of thing. (But I'm not yet at the point of making The UA-cam Face for my thumbnails.)
@@ExtraOtter
Oh yeah, that makes sense. I'll live haha.
Though I'm a fan of your thumbnails now, I wouldn't hold it against you if you did end up applying the YT face, it's simply effective even though it's a little... yeah...
I look forward to your 401 video and beyond! (pun intended)
Great video
Excellent one.
Funny to watch this after 401.
Forget Silent Majority, who's Beyond's child???
i think you forgot that silent majority was attached to loberry. and killed woody alone in the bathroom and then the other bodyguards in a closed room. so i dont think it makes sense that the killer needs to be in the room to use silent majority, it is a remote type ability that parasytes someone to move around and can be dispelled once they hit their target, it is also mentioned it doesnt work well on nen users because it can rebound back if countered so it can only be activated on sure kills, which becomes troublesome once most people in the room develop nen. i think this implies that someone close to fuugetsu and kachou's camp has placed silent majority on loberry, since they have the most access, perhaps someone either in the employment of their mother or on fuugetsus camp since keeney(en) and melody(heartbeat) both are very aware and would probably catch a nen attack on a maid stationed close to them with kacho. the other problem is the first dead bodyguards, kurapika's dowsing chain wouldnt incriminate someone being parasyted, so the host of silent majority was probably stationed among the bodyguards who remained after the second attack, and died once momoze's spirit beast activated or was sayird himself, and was dispelled after the second killing and reattached to loberry. meaning that we need to think about who had access to both loberry and one of the spies among woble's bodyguards. it was probably one of the two who remained after the second attack and were killed by sayird. knowing who those two were spies for would probably narrow it down significantly but i dont think we even find it out, the graph on chalter 360 seems to indicate it was either sevanti or seiko's camp, seiko's camp, with swinko having the chance at infiltrating both and seiko infiltrating sevanti's. both guards killed knew about the succession war but not necessarily about silent majority due to being non-nen users.
It's a pretty popular take. My strongest rebuttal is I just think "it was someone outside we never saw and never could've guessed" is a lame solution to an established mystery. My faith in Togashi is greater than that!
I think Shimano is the user. She had memory revision / manipulation attack that's why dousing chain didn't work
I'm a little paranoid about Shimano too. Oito didn't seem to fully buy her backstory explanation.
goated positive sale sale take tbh
Let's go!
Another bit of evidence to this theory could be that last we see of the Camilia untouchable assigned to Wobble, is her plotting to take the Nen lesson and activate her post-mortem nen curse to take Wobble out
Yes, we gotta see what Sarahell's up to, that'll be covered in my Camilla video. It doesn't seem like she's aware of the Silent Majority happenings, but we don't know that Duazul would have her queensguards sharing info with the Untouchables (they're just there to die, after all - and Sarahell's mission is risky, so better not to tell her more than you have to).
(Also nice Arcanum portrait, love that game)
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It’s cleopatro protecting woble
They do have the same hair...
new sub here
Me likey
great vid, but 401 is out already
This one took a while to edit. My 401 video's up now!
what i think its woble nen beast
Kurapika ruled it out but I won't say it's strictly impossible! Kacho's Beast demonstrates that they can do some weird stuff.
@@ExtraOtter yeah!!! And maybe woble nen beast has some sense of who would harm her or her close companions thats why it’s only appears in some sort of threat or because she is a child and babies sleeps a lot so maybe her nen beast acts like Tserriednich nen beast when he is in zetsu the nen beast disappears so i highly think that’s her nen beast fr and maybe the blood she take when she have the right amount maybe she can grow like gon did so what do you think
You are so much smarter than me xD
for the algorithm
I think it's yuri
She's a powerful pro to hide her killer heartbeat from my main girl Melody then! (It *is* possible)
Slakka is my guess