Atiwa - Playthrough & Review (Uwe Rosenberg Series)
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Minor rules correction: @1:23:14 - when placing pollution, Monique should have continued placing pollution on the top middle squares of ALL cards, including the 2nd row, prior to moving to the top right squares. It didn't change anything because she still would have lost just one bat.
Welcome to the continuation of our Uwe Rosenberg Designer Series, a series of gameplay videos where we will be showcasing a majority of Uwe Rosenberg's board game titles. This is “Atiwa" a board game published by Lookout Games in 2022. This video includes a rules overview.
JUMP:
00:00 - Rules Teach
19:15 - Playthrough Start/Round 1
30:36 - Round 2
41:30 - Round 3
50:25 - Round 4
58:04 - Round 5
01:05:44 - Round 6
01:16:20 - Round 7
01:30:33 - Review
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We really liked Atiwa. It's got solid mechanics, and it's pretty darn quick at 2 players. I think the replayability in Atiwa is lower, especially for his games, but for us that doesn't really matter. If we end up playing a game 10 times, that is A LOT. So we honestly don't really care about replayability. I really like the tug of war with your own resource board. That giving and taking we find really fascinating, and we really hope Uwe explores that concept more. Overall a good game, not one of his best but still good,. And the theme is so dang good
It would be great if he springboards another game off of the resource board for sure! I think the 2-P experience could really benefit from dummy meeples blocking off various slots so that you feel that downward pressure.
I’m so glad you two do play throughs. It’s so fun and easy to learn along. Keep makin videos we are still watching!
Have you played Atiwa? Let us know what you think about this one! 🥭🦇
Minor rules correction: @1:23:14 - when placing pollution, Monique should have continued placing pollution on the top middle squares of ALL cards, including the 2nd row, prior to moving to the top right squares. It didn't change anything because she still would have lost just one bat.
We loved it actually. Lived the fruit bats and the theme.
i dig the game. the game has no card ability text. it's quite unique that way for me. it's a comfy euro that's thematic to the theme. heads up, though, the pronunciation for the game is incorrect, they mention how to speak it in the extra accompanying book.
Thanks for the play through - I very much enjoy your channel.
When I first played Atiwa I was a little concerned that the game was playing itself - due to the lifecycle mechanism.
However after playing a handful more games I was pleased to see how there is a variety of ways I can influence that and I feel that there are different approaches you can take to (attempt to) win the game.
I think you may regard it higher if you were able to table it some more.
I look forward to your overview of Uwe's games - he is still my favourite designer.
I had never even heard of this game. Thank you for highlighting it for us.
This is the first Uwe game I have ever owned. Yes I picked it up because I saw this awesome video you blessed us with. I enjoy it more than I thought I would. I also like playing it solo. I hope Uwe will keep up his work for years to come I am trying to play his other games now.
So glad you guys have done a video on Atiwa. It's one I've had my eye on for awhile.
Hope you found the vid helpful!!
I’ve played and enjoyed this a lot more than I thought I would. I assumed it would be a bit average but found myself going back to it. Maybe it’s the bat meeples!
Always have to do a double-take which side is right side up with those bats. Glad you've been enjoying the game!
I said it before and I will say it again. Throw on a Mazzy Star album in the background and chill back with a relaxing game of Atiwa with some good friends and appreciate the calm zen state of the moment. Uwe Rosenberg’s catalog really encapsulates the ebb and flow of life. For every hard smack you in the face Agricola day,there is a balance with a nice relaxing Atiwa or Nusfjord night.
Yeah especially at 2 players, it’s like the open road.
You must become one with the bat... harnessing its powerful Moon Energies (tm) to channel the Magic of the Mango Tree...
Thanks as always for the playthrough and review! I had touted this game after playing at PaxU, and it's one of my top games through a specific lens: I'm often the one teaching the games my group plays, and I'm often teaching to new players at public events. I don't think it has as much replayability, and I definitely understand if there isn't quite the complexity there for people who prefer heavier games (e.g. Feast for Odin, On Mars). A lot of the appeal of Atiwa is that it is much easier to teach, faster to get to the table, and is a viable option for someone who has never played anything more complex than Catan.
From a game design perspective, I'm impressed that this game manages to be easy to play but doesn't bore me. If I invited non-gaming friends to play, they might end with low scores, but they could still play and feel good about growing their tableau and engine out.
My primary criticism is that there are a disproportionate amount of rules and complexity for pollution (the pollution placement rules, and the card placement rules, which ultimately only matter for pollution), which is ultimately a small percentage of the gameplay.
Yeah I think when we saw the “advanced” game tag on the box when it was first released at Essen last year we had hopes of a large/epic game with lots of crunch. The discovery phase of this game was nice, but after several plays we both wished there was a way to mix things up a bit more.
Definitely a great stepping stone game for newer gamers, and one you could enjoy along with them.
You’re totally right about the pollution mechanic lol.
You guys are the best 🎉🎉
Thank you!!!
I really like this one.
I think it fits a nice Niche in Uwes games in that it is very much Uwe Lite.
If I don’t have the time or brain power to play a bigger game like AFFO then this plays in around 30-45 minutes but still gives me enough crunch to feel like I’ve achieved a good gaming session.
That’s fair, this falls in the Glass Road level of challenge for us. Definitely lighter than expected when we first saw the game at Essen.
@@BeforeYouPlay that makes sense... Bats must, after all, be very light creatures to achieve flight and flap off into the night...
Just played this at Geekway and had to buy it immediately! I loved this game!
Happy you enjoyed it! ☺️
Very nice. Haven't played it yet, but would like to try at least once (being a big Uwe fan). My favourite is still Feast for Odin.
Definitely worth the try, recommend at 3+ players though to feel the competition for action locations.
I agree that this game is mostly 'OK' and lacks replayability compared to many of his other games. It has two big virtues for me:
1) It makes for a good introductory game, because it's a fairly easy teach.
2) The solo is very short but still very fun, though the claim that a solo 'win' is 120 points is either a typo or a troll.
I will say that you are more scared of pollution than you should be. Also I physically winced at all the goat slaughtering going on lol. The rulebook even tells you not to do that!
Monique was super loose with those goats in this play lol. In the solo game are all the spots available, or do you have blockers holding you back?
@@BeforeYouPlay It's like the Feast for Odin solo. You use three colors, going in a cycle: red-yellow-blue etc. In fact in the round tracker this is the reason the round number is shaded, that's the color you use in the solo. So any space you use is blocked for two rounds.
I'm always a sucker for tracks that get you more as you remove things to put out on the board. I also liked the round tracker that slides to reveal new scoring opportunities.
Yeah, I think that is one of the best elements of the game, the cascading effects of the 4 tracks.
Just picked up this game for 8 bucks I’m stoked to play!!
Uhh just played this today 😂❤❤
This one looks neat!
Thanks for checking it out Ben!
Looking forward to the wrap up video. Would have been nice to get some "ranking so far" videos as we went since the series is 2+ years old now, long time to get comparison opinions on whats been played so far :)
Hah yes, had we been able to anticipate how long the series would actually take, we probably would have done one halfway. It's just the nature of the content creation beast. Thank you!
I was positively surprised by Atiwa. My expectation was that it would be just ok after having watched and read plenty of reviews. But what I came to realize after having played it a couple of times is that I don’t agree with the claim that it’s samey and has a low replay value. After a couple of plays, I started to see how tight it actually is in the competition for the different worker placement spots. It’s similar to Agricola there in a sense where the differences are sometimes subtle but play an important role nevertheless where timing is everything. It also has a great solo mode! For me it’s a keeper 😍
Great to hear that from you! What player count (aside from solo) have you found to be most enjoyable? We felt that the 2P game could use some dummy blocker meeples to create more tension for space.
@@BeforeYouPlay I’ve only played with 2 (and solo). I’m not sure whether it’ll get any tighter with more players since you add more spots (maybe). But rather than the amount of spots, I’m referring to the value of the them, (in relation to breeding and what opportunities players have in their tableau). To block each other, I think keeping an eye on these things is crucial.
@@BeforeYouPlay But I will say that if you’re looking for a version with fewer available spots/more blocking, the solo version really does it. It has another blocking system (I think one which is similar to A Feast for Odin - but I’ve never played that solo).
I have been looking forward to this video for a while. I was really drawn in by the theme of this game. But I agree that, through watching it, it felt a bit tedious moving the pieces back and forth...the bats are just constantly shuffled around and so on. Appreciate the video!
Thanks for checking it out! We like the flowchart of resources and hope he will continue to develop another game that builds off that mechanism.
Thank you for the video. Are you planning a playthrough of Oranienburger Kanal at some point?
Did you all pick this up at Essen. I grabbed the second to last copy there.
A lot of people I have talked to really love this one. I have to admit I'm quite enamoured with the theme and what Use Rosenberg is trying to say with this game. Even the environmental engine I find quite clever. That said, your video is probably the closest I've found to my feelings on the game. Thanks for always be so honest in your content. Hope to run into you again at Essen. (Full disclosure: I only watched your thoughts on the game, not the play through)
Played my copy of Atiwa several times and a few people in my group really like it. My thoughts are pretty similar to yours though - it’s charming and enjoyable enough but a bit mechanical and not quite up to the level of his other games. And it doesn’t seem to have much replayability…it feels like it’s missing a mechanism or needs an expansion.
It’s also a similar weight to Nusfjord and Halltertau and I’d usually much prefer to play either of those over this one, or of course play Agricola/Caverna/Feast/Arle instead. Those six games are all at least a notch or two above this one for me.
That said, I’ve found it pretty enjoyable to go for a relatively small-family heavy-bat strategy, focusing on getting good terrain tiles and utilizing that unique bat population space. Does create a fun puzzle.
I really enjoyed watching this, having played Atiwa solo I just want to play it more now. Also, one slight rules correction when it comes to the pollution tiles, I believe the correct order to place them is to fill in the top middle spaces on ALL cards, including any cards in lower rows, before polluting the top right space. Meaning at the end of the game Monique should have had 1 tile on each card plus an additional tile on the Hill and the Meadow. It didn't have an effect in this game, but it means that all the locations and terrain should be considered all fair game when it comes to pollution, rather than keeping more lucrative cards on lower rows.
Hi Elliott! That makes sooo much sense, thank you for pointing that out. I think we may have misunderstood because we took a close look at the example, not realizing that they were only showing one row of cards lol, we should have considered the second row similarly. We will add the correction. Also, we're so glad you're enjoying Atiwa!!
Uwe has Applejack too! It's a bit harder to get, [I think it's on preorder right now], but that would be a fun playthrough as well.
I must confess the theme is so uncommon that it threw my expectations way up when I saw it. But now watching you guys play it makes it more like an OK game, totally agreed with you both. Thanks for these wonderful series! Me and my wife became HUGE Uwe Rosenberg fans thanks to your videos. 🤩🫶
Great theme, decent engine/puzzle, but can get cracked after several plays in a short period of time. The 4 player game was definitely more tense competing for action slots.
I got a copy of oranienburger Kanal off kickstarter - I didn;t realize it is only 2 player, so will sell it to you guys
As not a big Uwe fan, I didn’t expect to like this one…and I was very very wrong. Enjoyed it immensely…
That’s great to hear! What’s your preferred player count?
@@BeforeYouPlay only played it once but we played at four! Even after a teach (by reading Uwe’s technical manual of a rule book) we whipped through it pretty fast so it didn’t overstay its welcome at all…
Great game! I think it’s much better at 3-4 players since with 2 you can do what you want. It was my first Uwe 😅
The 2P game could really use some blocker meeples to tighten up the board.
@@BeforeYouPlay totally agree!
That teach had me worried at first, but I like how breezy this looks... it seems like a gentler Agricola, which I'm here for, and I also really like seeing a Euro about Africa that's not a colonialist theme. I like the idea of that resource board, but it does look fiddly af. However: bat meeples. Also: that whole tug of war meets resource management concept. Still on the fence of whether this will be the next one to get (we still need to play Loyang), or I've been eyeing Glass Road, too. I'd like to build Rich up a little more to Feast for Odin, because he's very turned off by the beige. XD
Great video having played them all I also agree with a lot of what you were saying. I love the theme and look of the game but I do think the game after playing again and again won’t hold up as well as many of his other games similar to Reykholt. I like both and honestly will probably hang onto both for the random time I do wish to play them but it’s definitely not something I will be wanting to play multiple times a year so If you don’t have a larger collection or space is a concern I totally recommend others maybe trying this and then moving it or trying it at a convention. It’s certainly worth experiencing and I’m not unhappy with my purchase but I also don’t love it as much as others.(Nusfjord,Feast for Odin, Fields of Arle)
Have the two of you ever gotten to play Lowlands? Which is definitely Uwe Inspired?
Yeah it sounds like we align on our Uwe tastes. Still enjoyed the process of unlocking the Atiwa puzzle, but might not be as compelling several plays within a short period of time.
We both really like Lowlands, but LOVE it at the full 4 player count!
Hi guys! I usually play with my girlfriend and from the more complex Uwe's games, we have played Le Havre and we recently bought Atiwa and Fields of Arle, but we haven't play these two yet. Which one do you consider we should try first, Atiwa or Fields of Arle?
Thanks and keep posting this type of videos and designers series, as they are super useful for this community.
Cheers from Prague!
I'm always just as glad to see you slow a game that doesn't turn out to be my cup of tea ... and this one sure isn't! All that fiddly meeple shuffling seems a bit tedious, and the game behind it all feels too much like you're playing a spreadsheet. Good video, though! Thanks for a great series.
I like it, but feel it's 'good not great' after a couple plays. I like the closed resource loop the game has but not sure how different future games will feel. It's lighter rules-wise so might be easier to hit the table over some of his heavier games. Feels like it might benefit from an expansion of some kind.
Wish there was some way to tweak all the elements of the game to create a different challenge with each game. (This is a big ask lol).
So who’s next for designer series? May I suggest Feld or Chvatil?
We will likely take a break from starting another designer series so we can focus on a wider range of "older" games. :-)
@@BeforeYouPlay also a good plan! I expect to see Oracle of Delphi being featured.
Fruit bat action is impossible to remember 😂
Lol kept forgetting!!
@@BeforeYouPlay yeah I'm my few plays of the game I forgot it most of the time
I vote for Simone Luciani next (whenever you do your next series).
😔 I hoped that Uwe would for once make a game where the player do not block each other on the action spots. That's sad.
After Agricola, it all comes down pretty much the same. It's hard to beat Agricola, Feast for Odin and Fields of Arle. Oldies but goldies.
Have you tried Caverna? If so, which do you prefer between that and Agricola?
@@BeforeYouPlay Agricola is the better game for my taste. I like building something from nothing. Caverna is just trying to appeal to those who did not like parts of Agricola. Have a nice day 🙂
I also feel this is just ok. I sold my copy after one play because I truly feel this game doesn't have much to offer beyond just entertainment (which most games offer as well). Thanx for being honest and sharing your opinion
Something about round 4/5 where things go on auto-pilot prevent the game from being great in our eyes. 4 player competition is definitely better as you agonize over action spots.
I'm not through the entire video yet, but I noticed you never use gold to help with feeding the families. Are you allowed to use that?
Yeah you are, since gold is a point at the end of the game/needed for location cards, we both feels it’s a Plan C move to spend it to feed.
How was Japan!?
We had a blast! Great food, super nice people, and lots of wandering around! :-)
That’s awesome! 👏🏽 just curious… how long was the flight!? Did you have a connecting/layover to help break it up?
"Just ok" sums this one up perfectly. Enjoyed the playthrough, but glad I didn't buy this one.
Definitely worth trying it out for the puzzle, just missing the replay value at 2-Players.
Did you know that Uwe was not even in Ghana himself?
Had no idea!
Somehow this one just does not feel like a Uwe game, where are the building tiles, where are unique player cards? Its like Caverna got stripped of it most fun parts or something.