Cut the testing. Cut the endless record keeping. Bring the job back down to 8 to 10 hours a day. Cut all of the in-service trainings and special meetings. Remove violent students from regular classrooms. Feed every kid lunch for free. Hire more classroom aides. Pay a living wage with full benefits. It's not rocket science- just ask teachers why they are leaving, and STOP DOING THAT.
YES!! The useless Professional Learning meetings that cut into planning at least once a week can certainly go. Also, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I had a co-teacher. We worked so well together that he asked if he could remain my co-teacher for the next year. The answer was no. In spite of being very effective, we were separated and never worked together again.
Look, you can lower the requirements and you can raise the pay for teachers. But as long as you don't hold students, parents, and academic administrators accountable for their actions, then you won't be able to retain teachers.
This is true. Most of the teachers I work with are fine with their pay, as low as it is. They love the act of teaching and mentorship. The problem is that they get so much pushback from a widespread culture of anti-intellectualism. I just had a meeting with a parent where I mentioned that their child’s job was to get their school work done. As a child living in America they are protected from having to work in factories and extending the cycle of poverty with the understanding that they will go to and attempt to excel in school. That father who I was talking to said to me “what job? School ain’t no job. What are they [students] being paid?” I replied, barely able to control my anger, “with education”. To which the father responded “that’s nothing.” And that sums up everything that is wrong with America today. We need a JFK-level effort by our political leaders, regardless of where they stand, to galvanize the American public to care about education. The American mythos celebrates the ‘self-made man’ who ‘didn’t need no school’ to succeed. While this may have been true in 1900, and to some degree it is true in 2023, the fact is that money can buy you happiness, but not intellect, a good work ethic, nor general knowledge of how the world works. Understanding Shakespeare is to understand the human condition. To research the genome is to understand the fundamental nature of life. To read history is to understand the causes of modern problems and maybe how to fix them. To solve a trig function is to flex your logical thinking skills and decision making skills so that you can determine whether you are being lied to or not by someone with a fancy chart. Education is the lifeblood of society, especially a democracy. Why are we so committed to poisoning that blood? Any reasonable person in America agrees that education is a must- we may disagree about the particulars, but we all agree that education is important. So why can’t we at least start there and make an effort to change our problematic culture.
@Waleed Khalid The devil is in the details of “disagreeing about the particulars” - for a sizable chunk of the American public, that well has been poisoned. If I can’t teach about climate change in earth science or evolution in biology - because a group of parents has become convinced that my goal is to undermine their worldview or indoctrinate their children, rather than to share with them the best picture of reality we currently have - then I can’t actually do my job. I imagine history teachers and English teachers are in a similar situation.
Lowering standards for teachers also communicates to the public that teaching doesn’t really require training or expertise - which plenty of people already believe.
A. Actually pay teachers for their expertise like you pay other advanced pros B. Let teachers teach and stop implementing testing pedagogies C. Provide wrap around services for families including food, health, and housing. Kids can not learn when they are hungry and in insecure environments. Many behavioral issues are due to trauma linked to poverty.
There's no money for any of that. Calif. is already around $1 trillion in debt. Chicago Public schools is $25 billion in debt, half of which is unfunded pensions. Do teachers think our elections are fair? Good. Three school funding measures failed in LA after the 2019 teachers' strike, including Prop 15 in 2020.
@@waverly2468 There's no WILL for that. Money for that is sitting in the coffers of those whom we don't tax sufficiently. Money is sitting in police stations as tanks and armor to contend with the criminality that results when you don't invest in education and other quality of life factors for your citizens. The money is there. The WILL is what is missing.
@@DamascusHarris Rich people pay more than their fair share at the state and local level. Calif gets most of its tax from rich people and Silicon Valley. David Tepper is a rich guy who pays Connecticut $100 million a year in state tax. The state went into a panic when he left to live in Fl. for a while. You can look up the balance sheet of any state or city oniine. Chicago, for example, has $15 billion cash and $70 billion debts and unfunded pension liabilities. And BTW, when states have budget problems, they cut education first. It's a big target and it's easy to cut. It's harder to cut pensions for police and firemen.
@@waverly2468 Brandon, just raise property tax to increase funding for CPS, but nothing is going to improve, as long as you have, students and parents that don't care. Additionally, the principals, in most instances, leave a lot to be desired.
When I was in my teacher prep program I had to complete the ED TPA a completely useless form of assessment to measure if I was ready to be a teacher. I spent probably around 60 hours on this, while I was also student teaching, which I had to pay to do as well. Due to the stress and time requirement I applied for other jobs and got offered one that paid me 50% more than I make as a teacher. My biggest life regret is turning it down. If we want more teachers we shouldn't have them jump through performative, expensive hoops that are not required in other, higher paying professions.
edTPA is why I quit. I was halfway through that final semester and they put me in a school with 35+ kid classrooms and extreme violence and emotional problems... then said NOW DO THE EDTPA! Like I was going to get the footage I needed for something like that from kids that wouldn't do a simple worksheet unless you walked them through it step by step. Absolute nightmare... switched to straight English and never looked back.
I remember that too. After hours of prep and writing workshops, the eliminated the entire series of CERT requirements. Now I know why people work as baristas and hotel concierge, its what makes you happy.
They need to take a chunk of that money and invest it into mental health programs for these kids. Teachers can't teach the class if they have to continuously discipline one child. Kids can't learn if they have other mental and environmental challenges. Hire more counselors and psychologists. Create more programs that help students struggling with food insufficiency and unstable home structures etc. This would then take the pressure off of current teachers to address other issues and allow them to focus solely on educating the students.
I agree that kids and schools need more counselors and more support AND I just learned that there is a 30% reduction in students pursuing their masters degree in social work! The low paying and undervalued professions seem to be in a state of real crisis. I’m a 22 year high school social worker who is returning after a years leave of absence because I was just so burned out. I’m not sure I’ll be able to make it. I asked for part time but admin wouldn’t support it. I don’t have answers but I am really really worried about our educational systems collapsing. So scary to hear about lowering standards of teachers…
@@jenroberts2382 Im sorry to hear that. Its like the lowest wage jobs are the ones we need the most but the current political structure doesn't care to pay or support these jobs until there are no-one left to work them.
@@GonzalezKoerber But American children also have to work hard to earn the best. Good teachers are a must. But when the world of education undermines their expertise, authority, and value as people and professionals, then those same good teachers gladly take their business elsewhere, never to return.
Lowered standards have been in place since NCLB became law. There is no such thing as a 90+% graduation rate. Those drop outs now drag everyone down rather than getting a job and learning a life lesson.
Is it burnout or is not wanting to deal with the psycho parents and their psycho children or the lack of support from the 'turn a blind eye' administration.
Tricking unsuspecting young college student into a miserable career like teaching is not a solution to America's education fiasco. Try making it a modern and professional career with commensurate benefits and pay as well as respect for teachers (by administrators, students, parent and the public) and you'll solve many of societies problems.
This is the truth. I just left early after 25 years & not yet making it to full retirement. I considering switching districts for a different teaching opportunity but would have been knocked down from step 25 to step 9 on the pay scale- a $20K pay-cut. The pensions are no good anymore so why am I still punished for switching districts? It's not a career for the modern world, where people are more transient. I'd rather not have my retirement be used to lock me into one place. There are so many more ridiculous old fashioned rules & expectations teachers have to follow.
I agree with increasing starting pay, but what about teachers who've been teaching 10+ years who will now be making the same as a rookie teacher? That needs to be addressed
From your keyboard to my eyes and I 100 percent agree with you. This is why I don't hold out much hope of it happening. I'm 24 years in and I would need at least a 10-15 thousand dollar raise if that happened.
Not to mention that the 10+ years teachers have to be mentors for the newbies-at no additional pay. Veteran teachers also have to be part of the many, many committees that new teachers can't be a part of, because they're new.
And now in Virginia, where the first grade Newport News teacher was shot by her six year old student, the district is claiming getting shot is now an "expected workplace hazard". They're arguing it's a workmen's comp issue. They're using this argument against her in a law suit she filed against the district for liability/medical care coverage since they'd ignored her warnings and pleas for help. So yeah, one of many last straws for this teacher.
For sure, but I was more aware of the risk of much more regular forms of violence than school shootings. Ironically, my school district put solid resources into security as it related to shootings, but I knew that if I was assaulted by a student, I might face real issues if I defended myself. The idea of a school shooting provokes real fear in the hearts of those who attend and staff schools, but before that comes a culture of zero consequences.
My husband is retiring in January after 28 years in the classroom. Low pay and long hours are part of the problem to be sure. But nowhere in this series did I hear about policies that are pushed into the teachers that sound buzzy but have no substance, lack of support from administrators and lack of a partnership with parents to hold their kids accountable for good and for bad outcomes. Parents and teachers often aren’t allies in support of the kids. Instead the parents and kids are often allied in opposing the standards and behavioral expectations the teacher is trying to uphold.
All of this. Then, living the lie when we all know there's no such thing as a 90% graduation rate, is enough to make your skin crawl. Low standards, teaching to the test, checking boxes that mean nothing and are touted as success in order to maintain funding and keep a job that sucks beyond compare is the equivalent of selling your soul.
Preach it!!! And the issues that are causing the teacher shortage are getting worse! They just told us 2 weeks ago that we are disaplining the students too much and they want less write ups. The behavior is out of control as is and they keep taking away disciplinary tools because it looks bad on the district.
Bribing college students to serve as teachers for 1-2 years is not the answer. It's not even a bandaid. An ex teacher friend and I just hosted a "leaving teaching grief support" group on Zoom. I was the only veteran teacher. I quit after being on disability leave because the job wrecked my health. The rest had taught 1-2 years before quitting mid year due to incredible demands that left them disassociating after work and wracking up mental health issues. They faced incompetent or bullying leadership, increasing work related health issues, exhaustion, and no hope any of this will change. They all grieve teaching and miss working with kids. They told stories that made it clear they were favorite teachers of the students and had earned their trust. However, not a one said they'd go back and are all very happy in their new jobs. They reported having trauma from teaching and that it was an adjustment to work where they were treated humanly, with dignity, and had work/life balance. Teaching will cost you more money in health issues and school supplies than the salary justifies. You will be exploited at every turn, especially if you care and are good at it.
* risk of being shot at work * High cost of education * unruly children that have no support at home * unruly parents who think their children need to be raised by educators * emphasis on testing rather than ensuring students understand the material * worker wages Just some things I’ve heard teachers mention are the reasons they are leaving the education sector.
I would like all of the time and money that I spent getting a teaching certificate back. Y'all made me pass the exams and take courses to become a teacher and now y'all are saying that it's not needed. So that must mean it was never needed - I want my time and my money back. Please and thank you.
College is extremely expensive! Teachers are getting low pay, and they have to go to college to get a degree in order to work in a low-pay job doesn't make sense
I graduated with a Bachelors in Mathematics. I would love to become a Math Teacher. However, to become one in Southern California I have to PAY to work for free in a school and I am not allowed to have a job in the side. Good thing I have all my exams ready to enroll in the program. Plus, all these negative aspects when it comes to actually teaching. I am second-guessing everything now but am very determined that I can still become one in my current living situation and not be broke. In general, I believe there is no such thing as a perfect job with no con's. My family came here from Mexico to have a better quality of life. That being said, not taking things for granted and being humble. I personally believe I have what it takes to become a educator.
Just so you're aware, you'll be asked to teach advanced math (algebra, geometry, advanced algebra) to kids who still count on their fingers and be blamed if they don't learn it. And you'll have to sit through endless meetings where people who either never taught or failed at teaching tell you, vaguely, how to do your impossible job. And then blame you when it fails. Oh, and it'll be a different gimmick every year that you're supposed to implement... and document that you've implemented it, adding hours to your planning and grading time. And if you try to discipline a student (you know, so you can teach the class) they may go off on you, their parent may go off on you, and the principal will take the side of the student and parent every time.
@@twiedenfeld That has not been my experience as a teacher for over 30 years in Alabama. Yes there are bad students, parents and administrators, but the good far outweigh the bad. As for the new gimmicks, sure they crop up. You learn to ignore what you can and wait for it to go away.
Teaching is a privilege. Excellent teaching is cultivated by experience. Our young people, students, need qualified and passionate individuals. Our culture is lessening by the minute due to lack of resources or shall I say misplaced funding. A national revamp needs to take place.
American taxpayers and politicians have made decisions that resulted in this situation. Teachers do not have summers off; we get second jobs, do professional development, oh, and a few of us have families to support. Teachers, law enforcement officers and first responders, and nurses are what hold the country together; meaningfully fund (at a level that allows new salaries for more qualified people) these professions or watch the US decline.
I know teachers who are certified and can't teach 😮. The tests are the state's way to make money 🤑. The bachelor"s degree and on the job training should be what you need. $60,000 is not too nuch to start with. Start cutting salaries from out of the classroom jobs
I long for a "normal" school day where I show up, teach some classes, grade some papers, plan a lesson for a school day a few weeks in the future, and that's it. Then I go home, by 5:30, with my day of work completed. That has never happened. Until we stop dumping all the extra "Hey could you also..." on teachers, the burnout trend will continue. Also, instead of lowering the standards for teachers, let's raise the standards for students. Flunk out or expel the bottom 20%. They're not really learning chemistry or foreign language or anything.
Bad behavior of students at all levels have no consequences. Teachers are attacked daily (verbally and physically) all over the nation. Partents don't hold their children accountable and principals don't back their teachers.
I just retired early as a public school teacher due to burnout. What would make it better for me? ... changing the secondary bell schedule, which currently is very unrealistic and causes too much stress. The bell schedule and everything about public school needs to be trauma informed. During pandemic distance learning our school district modified the secondary schedule to 3 classes in the Fall and 3 classes in the Spring (like college semester system) and classes only met 4 days a week. Less classes meant less work for both students and teachers and less teacher/student ratio. Some secondary teachers have up to 175 students or more, which is crazy! Going back to school as if everything was normal after the pandemic was a big mistake and a lot of students and teachers suffered. I enjoyed the work/life balance from working at home (but not sitting in front of a computer all day and teaching online). Normal is not working. The whole system needs to change to solve the problem of teacher burnout. Let's look to Finland school and their innovations for solutions. Lowering standards and paying more are just bandaids.
I disagree that lowering the standards and not making people pass that test will result in a less-qualified workforce. Testing is not what shows everyone's intelligence or ability. If people have the heart to do this and they are trainable we can work with that.
@@worldobserver3515 I don't think you are. If you want teachers to be at the academic level of say engineers or lawyers you will have to double their pay and keep increasing it over time. I am a teacher. My wife makes nearly three times what I do. The reality is, students in college who plan to be teachers are the lowest performing students on average. If you want the people at the top half of the class to go into teaching you will have to pay them what they could get in the private sector. And even then you would have the change the working conditions. I work at a great school with well behaved students, but many teacher are not as lucky as I am. They are treated terribly from all sides. A person with better options simply will not put up with that level of disrespect.
We'd have more public funds for everything I've suggested if we legalize and regulate, and tax drugs, limit police interactions so that we can pay less in police settlements due to misconduct, and actually care to address the problems.
As a former CA high school teacher, my preliminary teaching credential expired in 2015. I have tried to re-enter the teaching profession only to be blocked by the CTC to force me to re-do the credentialing process from scratch. I would love the program being rolled out in Wisconsin. When that program gets rolled out you CA, then perhaps I can teach again. How do we support that program to be adopted nationwide?
I tutor high school and college students in math and have several friends who were teachers have left the classroom in the past 10 years (one is now a principal). I've been asked about if I would like to teach since they have a lack of teachers to cover advanced math classes, but I'd never do it. I know a former 4th grade teacher who had a student try to stab her. Repeated attempts to have someone deal with this kid were ignored and he was being violent to everyone around him. I was helping a co-worker's daughter with Algebra I before the pandemic and all homework assignments in the class were done in groups. One time her whole group came to her house for the tutoring session. There were two kids in the group who had reasonable math skills and four who barely could do elementary math. I had to call a friend who spoke Spanish to help explain the concept of fractions to one of these 8th graders. 4 of the 6 kids were learning nothing. They were getting points for homework they didn't do and taking notes so they could be passed on to the next grade. But what was worse was the attitude that they didn't care and they only wanted someone to do the homework for them and they didn't care about learning any of it. Honestly, having a test in 7th grade where the kids who are able to do college prep work go onto to a college prep high school and other kids are funneled into vocational programs would solve so many of the issues with getting sufficient teachers to teach high school.
In the past, those who sought out to be teachers always knew the pay wasn’t great but they went into it because the biggest reward was being a positive impact on future generations of children. Nowadays students have become overly selfish, overly aggressive to downright violent and unfocused due to the internet. Let’s add how politicized education has become when you have politicians dictating what can and cannot be taught in classrooms so there is very little freedom. Classroom instruction is becoming so regimented that AI will replace teachers. Then you add all the certifications, testing, additional hours, etc and I’m amazed that even 85k college students are still choosing education as their major. Like someone said in a different comment, ask the former teachers why they left then stop doing that.
Lowering the standards would be a travesty and a terrible dis-service to our students. First, pay me better, treat me with the respect I deserve, stop all the woke policies, do something about student behavior. Violent students are put right back in the classroom. I pressed charges on a student for assault and the admin put him right back in my class with assault charges pending. Had to take out a restraining order to get him out of my classroom. Admin was not happy with me and that was reflected in my evaluation. THE KID HIT ME AND IT WAS ON VIDEO BUT I MADE THEM LOOK BAD? What is wrong with people?
Throwing money at thr problem and increasing teacher salaries is not going to solve the problem. Most people don't understand that this is a systematic, culture, and work environment issue, not mainly a financial one. So long as parents, administrators, and students are not held accountable and are allowed to get away with almost anything no one will stay in the field.
a big part of the problem too is, we now have people who have mental health and severe emotional/behavior disorders in mainstream schools and classes, when in reality they need to be in a special program, not shoved into regular schools and classes ! food for thought, as we know, so many people think they need to bring back corporal punishment, i disagree, because we have many countries who outlawed that completely: Sweden, Finland, Holland, Cyprus, Denmark, Switzerland, Sweden, and more: they do not use physical punishment, not parents, or teachers; and yet the students/ youth, and adults for that matter are much better behaved than they are as a whole here in the US. over all crime rates and jail / prison population is much much lower, violence and other crime is much lower than it is here. school performance(grades, attendance), is much higher than here. I think we need to research what they are doing to make things more effective . these students as well as adult need more stability, they need positive stimulation and yes they do need t be held accountable. do the research, look it up: yes, these countries and more do not use any corporal punishment and they do not have the problems we are having here.
As a physics professor, who taught aspiring high school science teachers for 25 years - I warned them about the public schools. Still they tried. May their aspirations RIP. American K-12 education is a toilet in need of a flush.
At this point, no amount of money will be enough to deal with the nonsense these kids pull with teachers. Until you have support from administrators, school boards, and parents, it's hopeless...
Here is a novel thought. How about instead of a gatekeeping test they just have programs within states that actually help teachers be trained that supplement your university’s program. And your “test” is just proving you can teach the subject matter competently and not can you pass this exam that we don’t really tell you what’s on it nor give you sufficient study materials that guide you to passing it so you have to take it a couple times with 6 weeks apart delaying the whole process
Despite pay, teachers would stay if one thing would change - violent students should not be protected by Special Education and allowed to put teachers in harm’s way. If they’re violent, they are unfit to be in a regular school. Period.
Let teachers take control of the curriculum in their classes, not the talking-heads in the district office. Also, recognize top students, instead of saying everyone is equal. A civilization can't thrive when mediocrity is the goal.
First, teach what matters! Why are we trying to have every student complete a sequence of courses in Math that qualifies them to major in a STEM field in college? The chances that a non-STEMer would ever need to use a quadratic function or Sin x, Cos x, or Tan x is zero. Develop a solid grounding in arithmetic for every student. (NO CALCULATORS!)
Must not lower standards! That will not solve the problem. Part of the problem is that teachers are no longer seen or treated as professionals. Many poor teachers have helped with that view. Remove the bad teachers, pay the good teachers extra. Stop requiring teachers to teach students they are not qualified to teach and then punish the teacher for poor results.
Recertification is why teachers leave around the 5 year mark. 120 credits required that must be earned outside of the job's hours is impossible when the job already has one taking work home already. Guess the expectation is to not sleep. It isn't even the money. At some point there literally isn't enough time in the day to fulfill the requirements to stay in the profession. I also coach, so something has to go or I will start being paid susbstitute pay and continue to teach.
I have been teaching in Alabama for over 25 years. I never had to get "recertified." Is that really a thing? All I ever needed was thirty hours of certified education over a five year period, which was easy to get.
Nobody seems to want to discuss the out of control OCCUPATIONAL LICENSING for k-12 teachers in this country when talking about teacher shortages. I'm the author of EIGHT DAYS IN AN INNER CITY SCHOOL
LOL. Now they aren't making them pass BASIC education tests? These tests are so easy that anyone who fails it should have to go back to high school. Parents who do you want teaching your kids???? Teachers are leaving because of the undisciplined and disrespectful students and there is no support from ANYONE... not from parents, administration, politicians.... no one. Then there is the extremely low pay and all the work that has to be done on the weekends and after hours. Most teachers I know have "nightmares" during the school year. The first step in supporting teachers is paying them what they are worth. Teachers work so many hours for free and they are not even appreciated or respected by anyone. Parents you are going to be left with a bunch of uneducated thugs and pedophiles teaching your kids because those of us who really truly care and want to inspire students are burnt out and deserve better.
The country has just not valued excellence in education nor are we requiring student discipline. What happened to special schools for kids who needed more intense attention AND stricter discipline. Kids who need more hands on job oriented training. Kids who will never be college candidates until they mature.
At the end of everybody else's day, "its the bills for why we stay". The system is broken. Stop making it about students hating teachers, parents hating teachers, and teachers hating both. The one in need of true nobility are the people running the system. Where do their hearts lie? Students or money? Such a difficult question i know
America's answer to everything. Throw money at it and lower the quality and standards INSTEAD of actually addressing the issues and fixing the root of the problem.
Here’s a thought! Stop with the studies and the talk and do something. Teachers are leaving and politicians know the problems. But nothing is done about it. ENOUGH!!!!!
On it! It's hysterical that people say stuff like "If you don't like the conditions of teaching, then quit," teachers do and then people are like, hey where did all the teachers go? 😄
Good, I hope the public education system will be abolished completely, because school for me has always been about force and controlling your mind. You can literally get all this education online for free and much better then anything from public ed. Home School FTW!
@@CesarAnton Calif. has $100 billion unfunded teachers' pensions (CalSTRS). That is not a public good. The University of California alone has around $13 billion in unfunded pension liabilities for its professors. That's partly why tuition at UCLA is $13,000 a year.
@@waverly2468 fully agree on those particular details, I think I see your point now. Sorry you're statement was a little too broad. What you mention are side effect of having 100% for-profit education system. Education should be a public right like in other developed nations, ideally with 100% free options on all level and with a guaranteed minimum quality regardless of school. Sadly it's impossible under the current system where each school depends on the tax income of the area, creating a gap between public schools on poor areas and rich ones. It's also impossible to have a minimum quality standard using American common core, which was poorly planned and basically set to fail.
One great solution to this problem will be "hire teachers from India" They will get trained in India with much cheaper cost of training and get hired. this can give relief to department of education for long term planning.
Right, let do for teaching what we have done for the customer service call industry. That worked out real well. Maybe we could also hire some Nigerian princes to teach.
Some schools have turned to outsourcing and it's not an awful option per se, but it's a bandaid on a bullet wound. Their standards are not only different from ours, but the cultural issues within American education often prove challenging to foreigners who have just arrived. Imagine showing up in a different country with a vastly different culture and being expected to be ready on day 1. Another issue is numbers: not only are there not enough teachers from outside the US who would be willing to come here - mind you, they'd have to receive extra money for the cost of settling here, the immigration process, attracting them and their talents, etc. - but this pool will shrink as more and more of the English-speaking world has access to information about the work cultures American teachers endure.
Cut the testing. Cut the endless record keeping. Bring the job back down to 8 to 10 hours a day. Cut all of the in-service trainings and special meetings. Remove violent students from regular classrooms. Feed every kid lunch for free. Hire more classroom aides. Pay a living wage with full benefits. It's not rocket science- just ask teachers why they are leaving, and STOP DOING THAT.
8-10 hours a day?
Most teachers work 12 hours a day and on weekends. It’s become a 24/7 job with no freedom for teachers during the school year.
A lot of them leave because the kids are horrible and have no respect.
YES!! The useless Professional Learning meetings that cut into planning at least once a week can certainly go. Also, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I had a co-teacher. We worked so well together that he asked if he could remain my co-teacher for the next year. The answer was no. In spite of being very effective, we were separated and never worked together again.
Admins giving up useless staff meetings? Lol. That is never going to happen, but that would be a start.
Look, you can lower the requirements and you can raise the pay for teachers. But as long as you don't hold students, parents, and academic administrators accountable for their actions, then you won't be able to retain teachers.
Yup
This is true. Most of the teachers I work with are fine with their pay, as low as it is. They love the act of teaching and mentorship. The problem is that they get so much pushback from a widespread culture of anti-intellectualism. I just had a meeting with a parent where I mentioned that their child’s job was to get their school work done. As a child living in America they are protected from having to work in factories and extending the cycle of poverty with the understanding that they will go to and attempt to excel in school. That father who I was talking to said to me “what job? School ain’t no job. What are they [students] being paid?”
I replied, barely able to control my anger, “with education”. To which the father responded “that’s nothing.”
And that sums up everything that is wrong with America today. We need a JFK-level effort by our political leaders, regardless of where they stand, to galvanize the American public to care about education. The American mythos celebrates the ‘self-made man’ who ‘didn’t need no school’ to succeed. While this may have been true in 1900, and to some degree it is true in 2023, the fact is that money can buy you happiness, but not intellect, a good work ethic, nor general knowledge of how the world works. Understanding Shakespeare is to understand the human condition. To research the genome is to understand the fundamental nature of life. To read history is to understand the causes of modern problems and maybe how to fix them. To solve a trig function is to flex your logical thinking skills and decision making skills so that you can determine whether you are being lied to or not by someone with a fancy chart.
Education is the lifeblood of society, especially a democracy. Why are we so committed to poisoning that blood? Any reasonable person in America agrees that education is a must- we may disagree about the particulars, but we all agree that education is important. So why can’t we at least start there and make an effort to change our problematic culture.
@Waleed Khalid The devil is in the details of “disagreeing about the particulars” - for a sizable chunk of the American public, that well has been poisoned. If I can’t teach about climate change in earth science or evolution in biology - because a group of parents has become convinced that my goal is to undermine their worldview or indoctrinate their children, rather than to share with them the best picture of reality we currently have - then I can’t actually do my job. I imagine history teachers and English teachers are in a similar situation.
AMEN!!
@@waleedkhalid7486one of the best takes on the issue of education I've seen. This comment should be solidified.
How about cutting those six figure salaries of administrators? That could help fund teachers and classrooms.
Lowering standards for teachers also communicates to the public that teaching doesn’t really require training or expertise - which plenty of people already believe.
I was saying out loud “NO!” when she was talking about lowering the standards. Couldn’t agree more with you
I saw a post for a Connecticut Elem Teacher - No Experience Necessary :0(
A. Actually pay teachers for their expertise like you pay other advanced pros
B. Let teachers teach and stop implementing testing pedagogies
C. Provide wrap around services for families including food, health, and housing. Kids can not learn when they are hungry and in insecure environments. Many behavioral issues are due to trauma linked to poverty.
There's no money for any of that. Calif. is already around $1 trillion in debt. Chicago Public schools is $25 billion in debt, half of which is unfunded pensions. Do teachers think our elections are fair? Good. Three school funding measures failed in LA after the 2019 teachers' strike, including Prop 15 in 2020.
@@waverly2468teach your own kids then there will be less people going into the profession.
@@waverly2468 There's no WILL for that. Money for that is sitting in the coffers of those whom we don't tax sufficiently. Money is sitting in police stations as tanks and armor to contend with the criminality that results when you don't invest in education and other quality of life factors for your citizens. The money is there. The WILL is what is missing.
@@DamascusHarris Rich people pay more than their fair share at the state and local level. Calif gets most of its tax from rich people and Silicon Valley. David Tepper is a rich guy who pays Connecticut $100 million a year in state tax. The state went into a panic when he left to live in Fl. for a while. You can look up the balance sheet of any state or city oniine. Chicago, for example, has $15 billion cash and $70 billion debts and unfunded pension liabilities. And BTW, when states have budget problems, they cut education first. It's a big target and it's easy to cut. It's harder to cut pensions for police and firemen.
@@waverly2468 Brandon, just raise property tax to increase funding for CPS, but nothing is going to improve, as long as you have, students and parents that don't care. Additionally, the principals, in most instances, leave a lot to be desired.
When I was in my teacher prep program I had to complete the ED TPA a completely useless form of assessment to measure if I was ready to be a teacher. I spent probably around 60 hours on this, while I was also student teaching, which I had to pay to do as well. Due to the stress and time requirement I applied for other jobs and got offered one that paid me 50% more than I make as a teacher. My biggest life regret is turning it down. If we want more teachers we shouldn't have them jump through performative, expensive hoops that are not required in other, higher paying professions.
edTPA is why I quit. I was halfway through that final semester and they put me in a school with 35+ kid classrooms and extreme violence and emotional problems... then said NOW DO THE EDTPA! Like I was going to get the footage I needed for something like that from kids that wouldn't do a simple worksheet unless you walked them through it step by step. Absolute nightmare... switched to straight English and never looked back.
I remember that too. After hours of prep and writing workshops, the eliminated the entire series of CERT requirements. Now I know why people work as baristas and hotel concierge, its what makes you happy.
They need to take a chunk of that money and invest it into mental health programs for these kids. Teachers can't teach the class if they have to continuously discipline one child. Kids can't learn if they have other mental and environmental challenges. Hire more counselors and psychologists. Create more programs that help students struggling with food insufficiency and unstable home structures etc. This would then take the pressure off of current teachers to address other issues and allow them to focus solely on educating the students.
I agree that kids and schools need more counselors and more support AND I just learned that there is a 30% reduction in students pursuing their masters degree in social work! The low paying and undervalued professions seem to be in a state of real crisis. I’m a 22 year high school social worker who is returning after a years leave of absence because I was just so burned out. I’m not sure I’ll be able to make it. I asked for part time but admin wouldn’t support it. I don’t have answers but I am really really worried about our educational systems collapsing. So scary to hear about lowering standards of teachers…
@@jenroberts2382 Im sorry to hear that. Its like the lowest wage jobs are the ones we need the most but the current political structure doesn't care to pay or support these jobs until there are no-one left to work them.
Lowering the standards? What a terrible idea. Also, a terrible model for students.
Tons of people want to teach but can’t pass praxis how is that a bad idea
@@deandreray3500Because “wanting to teach” isn’t enough. American children deserve the best.
@@GonzalezKoerber But American children also have to work hard to earn the best. Good teachers are a must. But when the world of education undermines their expertise, authority, and value as people and professionals, then those same good teachers gladly take their business elsewhere, never to return.
@@GonzalezKoerber stay short handed 🙃
Lowered standards have been in place since NCLB became law. There is no such thing as a 90+% graduation rate. Those drop outs now drag everyone down rather than getting a job and learning a life lesson.
Is it burnout or is not wanting to deal with the psycho parents and their psycho children or the lack of support from the 'turn a blind eye' administration.
It’s all of the above.
Best comment, @pamelaclark909
@@worldobserver3515 I agree 1000%
Tricking unsuspecting young college student into a miserable career like teaching is not a solution to America's education fiasco. Try making it a modern and professional career with commensurate benefits and pay as well as respect for teachers (by administrators, students, parent and the public) and you'll solve many of societies problems.
This is the truth. I just left early after 25 years & not yet making it to full retirement. I considering switching districts for a different teaching opportunity but would have been knocked down from step 25 to step 9 on the pay scale- a $20K pay-cut. The pensions are no good anymore so why am I still punished for switching districts? It's not a career for the modern world, where people are more transient. I'd rather not have my retirement be used to lock me into one place. There are so many more ridiculous old fashioned rules & expectations teachers have to follow.
I agree with increasing starting pay, but what about teachers who've been teaching 10+ years who will now be making the same as a rookie teacher? That needs to be addressed
From your keyboard to my eyes and I 100 percent agree with you. This is why I don't hold out much hope of it happening. I'm 24 years in and I would need at least a 10-15 thousand dollar raise if that happened.
Or teachers that got their masters and doctorate degrees only making 500 dollars a year more than a basic degree...
@@michaelwallace1189 I teach and have a Masters in History. The truth is, a Masters or PHD does not really help anyone teach high school.
@@michaelwallace1189 a doctorate in education is a phony as it gets.
Not to mention that the 10+ years teachers have to be mentors for the newbies-at no additional pay. Veteran teachers also have to be part of the many, many committees that new teachers can't be a part of, because they're new.
Teachers also don't want to die in a school shooting. 🤷♀️
And now in Virginia, where the first grade Newport News teacher was shot by her six year old student, the district is claiming getting shot is now an "expected workplace hazard". They're arguing it's a workmen's comp issue. They're using this argument against her in a law suit she filed against the district for liability/medical care coverage since they'd ignored her warnings and pleas for help.
So yeah, one of many last straws for this teacher.
For sure, but I was more aware of the risk of much more regular forms of violence than school shootings. Ironically, my school district put solid resources into security as it related to shootings, but I knew that if I was assaulted by a student, I might face real issues if I defended myself. The idea of a school shooting provokes real fear in the hearts of those who attend and staff schools, but before that comes a culture of zero consequences.
My husband is retiring in January after 28 years in the classroom. Low pay and long hours are part of the problem to be sure. But nowhere in this series did I hear about policies that are pushed into the teachers that sound buzzy but have no substance, lack of support from administrators and lack of a partnership with parents to hold their kids accountable for good and for bad outcomes. Parents and teachers often aren’t allies in support of the kids. Instead the parents and kids are often allied in opposing the standards and behavioral expectations the teacher is trying to uphold.
All of this. Then, living the lie when we all know there's no such thing as a 90% graduation rate, is enough to make your skin crawl. Low standards, teaching to the test, checking boxes that mean nothing and are touted as success in order to maintain funding and keep a job that sucks beyond compare is the equivalent of selling your soul.
Preach it!!! And the issues that are causing the teacher shortage are getting worse! They just told us 2 weeks ago that we are disaplining the students too much and they want less write ups. The behavior is out of control as is and they keep taking away disciplinary tools because it looks bad on the district.
Bribing college students to serve as teachers for 1-2 years is not the answer. It's not even a bandaid. An ex teacher friend and I just hosted a "leaving teaching grief support" group on Zoom. I was the only veteran teacher. I quit after being on disability leave because the job wrecked my health. The rest had taught 1-2 years before quitting mid year due to incredible demands that left them disassociating after work and wracking up mental health issues. They faced incompetent or bullying leadership, increasing work related health issues, exhaustion, and no hope any of this will change. They all grieve teaching and miss working with kids. They told stories that made it clear they were favorite teachers of the students and had earned their trust. However, not a one said they'd go back and are all very happy in their new jobs. They reported having trauma from teaching and that it was an adjustment to work where they were treated humanly, with dignity, and had work/life balance.
Teaching will cost you more money in health issues and school supplies than the salary justifies. You will be exploited at every turn, especially if you care and are good at it.
Anything but pay us more and reduce class sizes 😂
* risk of being shot at work
* High cost of education
* unruly children that have no support at home
* unruly parents who think their children need to be raised by educators
* emphasis on testing rather than ensuring students understand the material
* worker wages
Just some things I’ve heard teachers mention are the reasons they are leaving the education sector.
So what industry are you in?
@@sharinaross1865 education.
@@lylyluvda916 you must haven't been in the classroom.
@@sharinaross1865 I was. During school and after school. Since 2015. I only recently took an admin job at the district away from all that.
@@lylyluvda916 so what do you do all day besides sit on a computer?
I would like all of the time and money that I spent getting a teaching certificate back. Y'all made me pass the exams and take courses to become a teacher and now y'all are saying that it's not needed. So that must mean it was never needed - I want my time and my money back. Please and thank you.
Yes, good point!
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College is extremely expensive! Teachers are getting low pay, and they have to go to college to get a degree in order to work in a low-pay job doesn't make sense
@MyYami123 I definitely agree
Pay me 100 k yearly and I might give teaching a try. Anything less is a joke.
I graduated with a Bachelors in Mathematics. I would love to become a Math Teacher. However, to become one in Southern California I have to PAY to work for free in a school and I am not allowed to have a job in the side. Good thing I have all my exams ready to enroll in the program. Plus, all these negative aspects when it comes to actually teaching. I am second-guessing everything now but am very determined that I can still become one in my current living situation and not be broke. In general, I believe there is no such thing as a perfect job with no con's. My family came here from Mexico to have a better quality of life. That being said, not taking things for granted and being humble. I personally believe I have what it takes to become a educator.
I am sure you do, but maybe not in California. A degree in math makes you very desirable in many states.
Just so you're aware, you'll be asked to teach advanced math (algebra, geometry, advanced algebra) to kids who still count on their fingers and be blamed if they don't learn it. And you'll have to sit through endless meetings where people who either never taught or failed at teaching tell you, vaguely, how to do your impossible job. And then blame you when it fails. Oh, and it'll be a different gimmick every year that you're supposed to implement... and document that you've implemented it, adding hours to your planning and grading time. And if you try to discipline a student (you know, so you can teach the class) they may go off on you, their parent may go off on you, and the principal will take the side of the student and parent every time.
@@twiedenfeld That has not been my experience as a teacher for over 30 years in Alabama.
Yes there are bad students, parents and administrators, but the good far outweigh the bad.
As for the new gimmicks, sure they crop up. You learn to ignore what you can and wait for it to go away.
Teaching is a privilege. Excellent teaching is cultivated by experience. Our young people, students, need qualified and passionate individuals. Our culture is lessening by the minute due to lack of resources or shall I say misplaced funding. A national revamp needs to take place.
American taxpayers and politicians have made decisions that resulted in this situation. Teachers do not have summers off; we get second jobs, do professional development, oh, and a few of us have families to support.
Teachers, law enforcement officers and first responders, and nurses are what hold the country together; meaningfully fund (at a level that allows new salaries for more qualified people) these professions or watch the US decline.
I know teachers who are certified and can't teach 😮. The tests are the state's way to make money 🤑. The bachelor"s degree and on the job training should be what you need. $60,000 is not too nuch to start with. Start cutting salaries from out of the classroom jobs
I long for a "normal" school day where I show up, teach some classes, grade some papers, plan a lesson for a school day a few weeks in the future, and that's it. Then I go home, by 5:30, with my day of work completed.
That has never happened.
Until we stop dumping all the extra "Hey could you also..." on teachers, the burnout trend will continue.
Also, instead of lowering the standards for teachers, let's raise the standards for students. Flunk out or expel the bottom 20%. They're not really learning chemistry or foreign language or anything.
Bad behavior of students at all levels have no consequences. Teachers are attacked daily (verbally and physically) all over the nation. Partents don't hold their children accountable and principals don't back their teachers.
I just retired early as a public school teacher due to burnout. What would make it better for me? ... changing the secondary bell schedule, which currently is very unrealistic and causes too much stress. The bell schedule and everything about public school needs to be trauma informed. During pandemic distance learning our school district modified the secondary schedule to 3 classes in the Fall and 3 classes in the Spring (like college semester system) and classes only met 4 days a week. Less classes meant less work for both students and teachers and less teacher/student ratio. Some secondary teachers have up to 175 students or more, which is crazy! Going back to school as if everything was normal after the pandemic was a big mistake and a lot of students and teachers suffered. I enjoyed the work/life balance from working at home (but not sitting in front of a computer all day and teaching online). Normal is not working. The whole system needs to change to solve the problem of teacher burnout. Let's look to Finland school and their innovations for solutions. Lowering standards and paying more are just bandaids.
Finland hires the best out of college to be teachers, and teachers are respected in Finland. Those two things probably won't be happening in the US.
It isn’t a money thing. Some of those kids are horrible with no respect. America needs parents to raise their kids so fewer teachers quit.
The young teachers won’t stay. This won’t work.
I disagree that lowering the standards and not making people pass that test will result in a less-qualified workforce. Testing is not what shows everyone's intelligence or ability. If people have the heart to do this and they are trainable we can work with that.
That might be true but what is also true is that these tests are so easy that anyone who can't pass should not be teaching.
What a ridiculous comment, sabrinaestrada3590. The aim should be to get the brightest teachers possible, not the low-end of IQ curve.
@@worldobserver3515 If you want the brightest you are going to have to pay more taxes.
@@glennwatson3313yes, it is going to take more money to attract the brightest college graduates. I am ok with that, because our country is at stake.
@@worldobserver3515 I don't think you are.
If you want teachers to be at the academic level of say engineers or lawyers you will have to double their pay and keep increasing it over time.
I am a teacher. My wife makes nearly three times what I do.
The reality is, students in college who plan to be teachers are the lowest performing students on average.
If you want the people at the top half of the class to go into teaching you will have to pay them what they could get in the private sector.
And even then you would have the change the working conditions. I work at a great school with well behaved students, but many teacher are not as lucky as I am. They are treated terribly from all sides. A person with better options simply will not put up with that level of disrespect.
Pay all that for the teachers to leave after 3-4 years?! That’s crazy they won’t stay.
We'd have more public funds for everything I've suggested if we legalize and regulate, and tax drugs, limit police interactions so that we can pay less in police settlements due to misconduct, and actually care to address the problems.
As a former CA high school teacher, my preliminary teaching credential expired in 2015. I have tried to re-enter the teaching profession only to be blocked by the CTC to force me to re-do the credentialing process from scratch. I would love the program being rolled out in Wisconsin. When that program gets rolled out you CA, then perhaps I can teach again. How do we support that program to be adopted nationwide?
I tutor high school and college students in math and have several friends who were teachers have left the classroom in the past 10 years (one is now a principal). I've been asked about if I would like to teach since they have a lack of teachers to cover advanced math classes, but I'd never do it. I know a former 4th grade teacher who had a student try to stab her. Repeated attempts to have someone deal with this kid were ignored and he was being violent to everyone around him. I was helping a co-worker's daughter with Algebra I before the pandemic and all homework assignments in the class were done in groups. One time her whole group came to her house for the tutoring session. There were two kids in the group who had reasonable math skills and four who barely could do elementary math. I had to call a friend who spoke Spanish to help explain the concept of fractions to one of these 8th graders. 4 of the 6 kids were learning nothing. They were getting points for homework they didn't do and taking notes so they could be passed on to the next grade. But what was worse was the attitude that they didn't care and they only wanted someone to do the homework for them and they didn't care about learning any of it. Honestly, having a test in 7th grade where the kids who are able to do college prep work go onto to a college prep high school and other kids are funneled into vocational programs would solve so many of the issues with getting sufficient teachers to teach high school.
In the past, those who sought out to be teachers always knew the pay wasn’t great but they went into it because the biggest reward was being a positive impact on future generations of children. Nowadays students have become overly selfish, overly aggressive to downright violent and unfocused due to the internet. Let’s add how politicized education has become when you have politicians dictating what can and cannot be taught in classrooms so there is very little freedom. Classroom instruction is becoming so regimented that AI will replace teachers. Then you add all the certifications, testing, additional hours, etc and I’m amazed that even 85k college students are still choosing education as their major. Like someone said in a different comment, ask the former teachers why they left then stop doing that.
Lowering the standards would be a travesty and a terrible dis-service to our students. First, pay me better, treat me with the respect I deserve, stop all the woke policies, do something about student behavior. Violent students are put right back in the classroom. I pressed charges on a student for assault and the admin put him right back in my class with assault charges pending. Had to take out a restraining order to get him out of my classroom. Admin was not happy with me and that was reflected in my evaluation. THE KID HIT ME AND IT WAS ON VIDEO BUT I MADE THEM LOOK BAD? What is wrong with people?
*But did you try forming a relationship with the student and meeting them where they're at?*
Throwing money at thr problem and increasing teacher salaries is not going to solve the problem. Most people don't understand that this is a systematic, culture, and work environment issue, not mainly a financial one. So long as parents, administrators, and students are not held accountable and are allowed to get away with almost anything no one will stay in the field.
Amen
Keep impacting those test scores and class sizes.
a big part of the problem too is, we now have people who have mental health and severe emotional/behavior disorders in mainstream schools and classes, when in reality they need to be in a special program, not shoved into regular schools and classes ! food for thought, as we know, so many people think they need to bring back corporal punishment, i disagree, because we have many countries who outlawed that completely: Sweden, Finland, Holland, Cyprus, Denmark, Switzerland, Sweden, and more: they do not use physical punishment, not parents, or teachers; and yet the students/ youth, and adults for that matter are much better behaved than they are as a whole here in the US. over all crime rates and jail / prison population is much much lower, violence and other crime is much lower than it is here. school performance(grades, attendance), is much higher than here. I think we need to research what they are doing to make things more effective . these students as well as adult need more stability, they need positive stimulation and yes they do need t be held accountable. do the research, look it up: yes, these countries and more do not use any corporal punishment and they do not have the problems we are having here.
As a physics professor, who taught aspiring high school science teachers for 25 years - I warned them about the public schools. Still they tried. May their aspirations RIP. American K-12 education is a toilet in need of a flush.
At this point, no amount of money will be enough to deal with the nonsense these kids pull with teachers. Until you have support from administrators, school boards, and parents, it's hopeless...
I know a ton of people that would be great teachers but can’t pass praxis if that’s a problem stay short handed 😂🎉😂
I a person cannot pass the Praxis then I doubt they could run a French fry machine. That test is very easy.
Treatment is the main issue, not money!!!
I am so GLAD people can teach their kids at home, i e Home Schooling. 👍👍👍👍
I left after 15 years. I do not regret leaving.
Here is a novel thought. How about instead of a gatekeeping test they just have programs within states that actually help teachers be trained that supplement your university’s program. And your “test” is just proving you can teach the subject matter competently and not can you pass this exam that we don’t really tell you what’s on it nor give you sufficient study materials that guide you to passing it so you have to take it a couple times with 6 weeks apart delaying the whole process
I wouldn't tell any college student to major in education anymore.
Take a wild guess as to what sort of person can't pass this incredibly easy teacher test.
Despite pay, teachers would stay if one thing would change - violent students should not be protected by Special Education and allowed to put teachers in harm’s way. If they’re violent, they are unfit to be in a regular school. Period.
Let teachers take control of the curriculum in their classes, not the talking-heads in the district office. Also, recognize top students, instead of saying everyone is equal. A civilization can't thrive when mediocrity is the goal.
First, teach what matters! Why are we trying to have every student complete a sequence of courses in Math that qualifies them to major in a STEM field in college? The chances that a non-STEMer would ever need to use a quadratic function or Sin x, Cos x, or Tan x is zero. Develop a solid grounding in arithmetic for every student. (NO CALCULATORS!)
“We’ve screwed over so many people there’s none left to draw from”
For ECD, our hope is on the Power to the Profession and the Unifying Framework for the Early Childhood Education Profession initiated by NAEYC.
Thank Republicans for this.
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Must not lower standards! That will not solve the problem.
Part of the problem is that teachers are no longer seen or treated as professionals.
Many poor teachers have helped with that view. Remove the bad teachers, pay the good teachers extra.
Stop requiring teachers to teach students they are not qualified to teach and then punish the teacher for poor results.
And this will keep getting worse. No consequences for children bad behaviour.
Recertification is why teachers leave around the 5 year mark. 120 credits required that must be earned outside of the job's hours is impossible when the job already has one taking work home already. Guess the expectation is to not sleep. It isn't even the money. At some point there literally isn't enough time in the day to fulfill the requirements to stay in the profession. I also coach, so something has to go or I will start being paid susbstitute pay and continue to teach.
I have been teaching in Alabama for over 25 years. I never had to get "recertified." Is that really a thing? All I ever needed was thirty hours of certified education over a five year period, which was easy to get.
@@glennwatson3313 We need 120 hours. I wish it were 30!
@@elizabethdaniels538 How long do you have to get the 120 hours?
Nobody seems to want to discuss the out of control OCCUPATIONAL LICENSING for k-12 teachers in this country when talking about teacher shortages. I'm the author of EIGHT DAYS IN AN INNER CITY SCHOOL
Burnout is a workplace injury.
LOL. Now they aren't making them pass BASIC education tests? These tests are so easy that anyone who fails it should have to go back to high school. Parents who do you want teaching your kids???? Teachers are leaving because of the undisciplined and disrespectful students and there is no support from ANYONE... not from parents, administration, politicians.... no one. Then there is the extremely low pay and all the work that has to be done on the weekends and after hours. Most teachers I know have "nightmares" during the school year. The first step in supporting teachers is paying them what they are worth. Teachers work so many hours for free and they are not even appreciated or respected by anyone. Parents you are going to be left with a bunch of uneducated thugs and pedophiles teaching your kids because those of us who really truly care and want to inspire students are burnt out and deserve better.
The country has just not valued excellence in education nor are we requiring student discipline. What happened to special schools for kids who needed more intense attention AND stricter discipline. Kids who need more hands on job oriented training. Kids who will never be college candidates until they mature.
At the end of everybody else's day, "its the bills for why we stay". The system is broken. Stop making it about students hating teachers, parents hating teachers, and teachers hating both. The one in need of true nobility are the people running the system. Where do their hearts lie? Students or money? Such a difficult question i know
Money won’t help as long as administrators look the other way while unruly kids beat up lady teachers.
America's answer to everything. Throw money at it and lower the quality and standards INSTEAD of actually addressing the issues and fixing the root of the problem.
What is the root problem?
Here’s a thought! Stop with the studies and the talk and do something. Teachers are leaving and politicians know the problems. But nothing is done about it. ENOUGH!!!!!
Just force them to stay. Teach or jail.
School Choice improves choices for teachers too.
Teachers can choose to teach at other schools or leave the profession altogether. School Choice does nothing for teachers.
So quit like 1000s did at the beginning of school
Careful! Ask and ye shall receive!
They are quitting. Pay attention. 😂
They are now suspending license...
On it! It's hysterical that people say stuff like "If you don't like the conditions of teaching, then quit," teachers do and then people are like, hey where did all the teachers go? 😄
Good, I hope the public education system will be abolished completely, because school for me has always been about force and controlling your mind. You can literally get all this education online for free and much better then anything from public ed. Home School FTW!
Parents will just have to teach their kids to live like Ellie from the last of us or possibly z pequino
Education is not a public good.
so it's a privilege of the rich?
@@CesarAnton Calif. has $100 billion unfunded teachers' pensions (CalSTRS). That is not a public good. The University of California alone has around $13 billion in unfunded pension liabilities for its professors. That's partly why tuition at UCLA is $13,000 a year.
@@waverly2468 fully agree on those particular details, I think I see your point now.
Sorry you're statement was a little too broad.
What you mention are side effect of having 100% for-profit education system.
Education should be a public right like in other developed nations, ideally with 100% free options on all level and with a guaranteed minimum quality regardless of school.
Sadly it's impossible under the current system where each school depends on the tax income of the area, creating a gap between public schools on poor areas and rich ones.
It's also impossible to have a minimum quality standard using American common core, which was poorly planned and basically set to fail.
One great solution to this problem will be "hire teachers from India" They will get trained in India with much cheaper cost of training and get hired. this can give relief to department of education for long term planning.
No!
Right, let do for teaching what we have done for the customer service call industry. That worked out real well. Maybe we could also hire some Nigerian princes to teach.
Some schools have turned to outsourcing and it's not an awful option per se, but it's a bandaid on a bullet wound. Their standards are not only different from ours, but the cultural issues within American education often prove challenging to foreigners who have just arrived. Imagine showing up in a different country with a vastly different culture and being expected to be ready on day 1. Another issue is numbers: not only are there not enough teachers from outside the US who would be willing to come here - mind you, they'd have to receive extra money for the cost of settling here, the immigration process, attracting them and their talents, etc. - but this pool will shrink as more and more of the English-speaking world has access to information about the work cultures American teachers endure.
With the level of micro manging going on, anyone can teach.