I had thought I knew something about Life. Evidently not. Such a synchronistic moment - tomorrow I am leading a Social Presencing Theatre session with stones as healers and teachers. You have now opened up a universe of possibility beyond what I had in mind. So much love - I'm overwhelmed. Thank you dear Rachel.
What a wonderful conversation to stumble upon - thank you! As a South African of European descent living in the maelstrom of cultures, worldviews, histories and dreams here at the tip of Africa, I really appreciate Jude's level-headed views on so-called indigenous versus so-called western wisdom - particularly the romanticisation of the former and the trashing of the latter. Like many, I am utterly disillusioned with where western approaches have brought us and the planet, but couldn't agree more that there is no silver bullet to be found under the misleading label of 'indigenous.'
I am just today finding this post and Planet:Critical. Great work! I love this conversation, Jude is a living Angel of truth and illumination. I am always enriched and nourished by the knowledge and wisdom that she shares. Thank you for this contribution. We are doing this thing called spiritual evolution together and I love it!
Still catching up! I'm still reeling slightly having started with a degree of cynicism progressing through a struggle to contextualise these huge concepts and then realising that this is what I've always, innately, felt....followed by the guilt of knowing my relatively comfortable position allows me the time to consider these ideas while those struggling with the everyday business of putting food on the table might view these musings with far more cynicism than I started with. Then it occurred to me that the idea of acting not with a specific outcome in mind but from a sense of community and accepting the outcome whatever its form has the seed of creativity embedded in it. Acts that come from love will always be more generative than those that arise from guilt. How to be informing how to do. And there is much to do!
ISNT THIS "WHOLE LIFE" FULL OF EXCITING CURVES TURNS & TWISTS?? WHAT A JOURNEY THIS HAS BEEN EVERY STEP OF THE WAY. CANT WAIT FOR CONTINUED UNFOLDING OF DISCLOSURE. WE ARE WAY MORE THEN WE HAVE BEEN TAUGHT TO BELIEVE THAT WE ARE. ❤️❤️❤️ I AM LOVE I AM LIFE I AM SOVEREIGN I AM FREE I AM GRATEFUL ❤️❤️❤️
I'm new to this channel and was attracted to listen to Jude again, but as sychronicity would provide, the wisdom and brilliance of Planet Critical is a wonderful bonus. I'm inspired beyond my ability to express at this moment. Thank you.
The system is full of temptations to keep us distracted in subtle sneaky ways and its much harder now to do... i.e., more challenging to even consider another choice. Great challenge for all 😂
Thanks for doing this Rachel. Great chat. Echoes the old adage, the more you learn the less you know. If you know of anyone working on the issues of hydrology that would be interesting as available water world wide seems to be an increasing issue. cheers
We may live in a conscious, evolving universe, but there is another side to the coin. Intelligent life forms must all endure the gauntlet of violence, (if ours is any indication), where steps made forward may be easily reversed with steps made even further backwards. We now flirt with the sixth mass extinction, where consciousness has gotten us into big trouble, on this former garden paradise, of perhaps tens of millions of life forms, now under very serious threat by a single one.
Discovery uncovers intelligence - both inner and to the self within the cosmos. The vast universe of matter, energy. and undiscovered gravities - awaits understanding.
if you liked to discuss consciousness, quantum physics, psychedelic experiences.. with currivan, you might also like to talk with bernardo kastrup. that'd be a very interesting crossover.
@@real_pattern meaning he doesn't really understand what he's talking about. I recommend Basil J. Hiley if you want to understand quantum physics and consciousness. Or Roger Penrose (who has collaborated with Hiley). Or Yakir Aharonov. Or even my own quantum physics professor Herbert J. Bernstein.
@@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 you're clearly not familiar with his work, that's fine. thanks for the recs, though 'understand quantum physics and consciousness' idk what you mean by that. since to 'understand' quantum physics requires years of advanced postgrad math and physics, i am currently not able to 'understand' it. as per the interpretations of quantum theory, there is no consensus that can be 'understood'.
@@real_pattern Actually I took quantum physics as my first physics class and Professor Herbert J. Bernstein insists that everyone should takes quantum physics as their first physics course since quantum physics is the foundation of reality. Basil J. Hiley emphasizes that there is no need for the wavefunction in quantum physics and also no need to "collapse" the wavefunction and hence no "quantum measurement" problem. You'd be surprised what you can learn from Hiley. hahaha. He emphasizes that most physicists can not handle nonlocality. Professor Jean Bricmont points out that the Bell's Inequality has debunked Quantum Field theory! Why? Bell's Inequality proves there is no symmetric rest frame in relativity as is also the assumption of QFT. Penrose discusses how gravitational entropy is the opposite the entropy of matter and thus the universe began in highly coherent asymmetric time. This completely goes against the assumption of time invariance in standard quantum physics. So you insist on relying on being indoctrinated by all these "advanced" courses that all rely on commutative geometry then you'll miss Fields Medal math professor Alain Connes point that noncommutativity is the secret origin of quantum randomness and almost all scientists consider noncommutativity to be not just a nuisance but very strange. Penrose now relies on noncommutativity for the foundation of his "palatial twistor" model. Even Lawrence Krauss had no idea about this when he recently "interviewed" Penrose claiming he understood Penrose since he had read Penrose's last book (from ten years ago!). haha. Just goes to show how arrogant other physicists are in this subject matter of the truth of reality.
Check out your Celtic druid roots, for each to be free to find how they can support the whole the greater good, let joy creativity imagination and services to others be your guide...
What we have discovered so far in universe , is limitless reproduction by concentrations and explosions or evaporation going on all over the multiverse , accidents are frequent too , black holes moving and dragging dust and explosion products behind and making galaxies , galaxies meeting and making bigger galaxies etc... etc.... to infinity and limitless worlds of matter causing energy in perpetual motion !
I mean, she has beautiful poetic point of view, but she talks so much and say nothing lol. She has some superficial knowledge of random topics and just uses so many poetic filling words to make it seem like she's saying something lol. I'm sorry to be harsh. She could have at least mentioned the double slit experiment to answer the first part about how consciousness seems to directly affect reality. I love the idea that the universe is thought. It makes me think of "as above so below" how we dream realistic life situations created in our minds with all characters are basically us, yet seem seperate. Maybe we are inside "god's" dream. And with god I mean us as a collective consciousness. My take away about the part of how our self awarness seems to be in odds with our own good, is that maybe we are now in the phase of a "teenager" consciousness, observing ourselves, and maybe needs a little confusion and trauma in order to evolve into maturity and realise that we are one. We are the same person/consciousness. But I was mainly impressed by how you somehow managed to keep the conversation going :D
I'd like to agree with Jude but the premise just doesn't hold water. There are plenty of inanimate things in the Universe that evolve and increase in complexity with time which are not conscious. If that were not true we wouldn't be here to discuss it. Life intially was a complex set of biomolecular assoc on clay surfaces that utilized minerals as a source of reductive power. Over 100s of millions of years and numerous emergent events cellular life emerged. This doesn't mean the Universe became more intelligent for in another part of our galaxy or in another galaxy a supernova could have destroyed an entire interplanetary civilization. It's all speculation as far as I can tell no evidence to support design or a designer or some sort of universal conscious agent that apparentky has no material body or physical agency. Theologians refer to this idea as God or some sort of metaphysical ground being of all reality. They contend that all things have "being." I really think they are speaking nonsense. Sorry, but a styrofoam cup of instant noodles does not have "being."
Actually Jude knows here quantum physics pretty well. Consider Yakir Aharonov's statement: Yakir Aharonov: "There is a non-local exchange that depends on the modular variable....I'm saying that I have now an intuitive picture to understand interference by saying that when a particle moves through two slits, it always goes through one slit or the other, but it knows which other slit, the slit through which it did not go, whether it is open or not, because there are nonlocal equations of motion." Finally making sense of the double-slit experiment (2017, Aharonov): "The nonlocal equations of motion in the Heisenberg picture thus allow us to consider a particle going through only one of the slits, but it nevertheless has nonlocal information regarding the other slit.... The Heisenberg picture, however, offers a different explanation for the loss of interference that is not in the language of collapse: if one of the slits is closed by the experimenter, a nonlocal exchange of modular momentum with the particle occurs....Alternatively, in the Heisenberg picture, the particle has both a definite location and a nonlocal modular momentum that can “sense” the presence of the other slit and therefore, create interference...""What is the effect of this nonlocal motion?...The idea is the following then...In the beginning I certainly don't know through which slit the particle is going because I want to know the module momentum. Then I wait for the interference pattern to happen and after it happens I can check whether the particle was coming from this side [slit] or coming from that side [slit] by a future experiment." "So if I'm able to describe the situation in the present by two vectors: one coming from the future that will tell me through which path the particle went and one coming from the past that tells me that the modular momentum is definite. Then I can see, indeed, there's nonlocal phenomena and not violating causality, because I said I know only from the future through which path the particle went. This is the basic idea and now I will try to describe it more mathematically."
but the noodles were a grain/plant at one point, alive, living, and I don't know what styrofoam is made from, but chemicals made of molecular structures, molecules are not separate from the wave particle understanding of how things come into observation and our perception. as better explained in the other reply... Jude really did explain it pretty well. Look into the work of David Bohm to understand the implicate/explicate order of all things.
I had thought I knew something about Life. Evidently not. Such a synchronistic moment - tomorrow I am leading a Social Presencing Theatre session with stones as healers and teachers. You have now opened up a universe of possibility beyond what I had in mind. So much love - I'm overwhelmed. Thank you dear Rachel.
What a wonderful conversation to stumble upon - thank you! As a South African of European descent living in the maelstrom of cultures, worldviews, histories and dreams here at the tip of Africa, I really appreciate Jude's level-headed views on so-called indigenous versus so-called western wisdom - particularly the romanticisation of the former and the trashing of the latter. Like many, I am utterly disillusioned with where western approaches have brought us and the planet, but couldn't agree more that there is no silver bullet to be found under the misleading label of 'indigenous.'
I could listen to Jude speak for hours!! ❤
Me too.
You are a WAY-SHOWER Rachel - the world needs more young people like you! You get to CONTINUE what Dr. Currivan started!!
I am just today finding this post and Planet:Critical. Great work! I love this conversation, Jude is a living Angel of truth and illumination. I am always enriched and nourished by the knowledge and wisdom that she shares. Thank you for this contribution. We are doing this thing called spiritual evolution together and I love it!
Still catching up! I'm still reeling slightly having started with a degree of cynicism progressing through a struggle to contextualise these huge concepts and then realising that this is what I've always, innately, felt....followed by the guilt of knowing my relatively comfortable position allows me the time to consider these ideas while those struggling with the everyday business of putting food on the table might view these musings with far more cynicism than I started with. Then it occurred to me that the idea of acting not with a specific outcome in mind but from a sense of community and accepting the outcome whatever its form has the seed of creativity embedded in it. Acts that come from love will always be more generative than those that arise from guilt. How to be informing how to do. And there is much to do!
I had an awakening while listening this podcast, and to your experience in Germany Rachel. Thank you.
ISNT THIS "WHOLE LIFE" FULL OF EXCITING CURVES TURNS & TWISTS?? WHAT A JOURNEY THIS HAS BEEN EVERY STEP OF THE WAY. CANT WAIT FOR CONTINUED UNFOLDING OF DISCLOSURE. WE ARE WAY MORE THEN WE HAVE BEEN TAUGHT TO BELIEVE THAT WE ARE. ❤️❤️❤️ I AM LOVE I AM LIFE I AM SOVEREIGN I AM FREE I AM GRATEFUL ❤️❤️❤️
I'm new to this channel and was attracted to listen to Jude again, but as sychronicity would provide, the wisdom and brilliance of Planet Critical is a wonderful bonus. I'm inspired beyond my ability to express at this moment. Thank you.
Thank you!
We never stand still enough to be present.
True of so many... but that's a choice.
@@PeterTodd not necessarily. 😊
The system is full of temptations to keep us distracted in subtle sneaky ways and its much harder now to do... i.e., more challenging to even consider another choice. Great challenge for all 😂
Thanks for doing this Rachel. Great chat. Echoes the old adage, the more you learn the less you know. If you know of anyone working on the issues of hydrology that would be interesting as available water world wide seems to be an increasing issue. cheers
It’s an amassing scientist and the most loving human being! Thank you for the video!
We may live in a conscious, evolving universe, but there is another side to the coin. Intelligent life forms must all endure the gauntlet of violence, (if ours is any indication), where steps made forward may be easily reversed with steps made even further backwards.
We now flirt with the sixth mass extinction, where consciousness has gotten us into big trouble, on this former garden paradise, of perhaps tens of millions of life forms, now under very serious threat by a single one.
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Thanks. Keep up the great work!
We will succeed when we follow the physical rules of existence. Biophysical Economics points the way.
Amazing discussion and hopeful for the future ❤
Thanks for sharing ❤❤
Discovery uncovers intelligence - both inner and to the self within the cosmos. The vast universe of matter, energy. and undiscovered gravities - awaits understanding.
Thanks again Rachel!
Ayahuasca Rachel!
if you liked to discuss consciousness, quantum physics, psychedelic experiences.. with currivan, you might also like to talk with bernardo kastrup. that'd be a very interesting crossover.
isn't bernardo more of a "quantum computer" consciousness view?
@@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 no, what does that even mean?
@@real_pattern meaning he doesn't really understand what he's talking about. I recommend Basil J. Hiley if you want to understand quantum physics and consciousness. Or Roger Penrose (who has collaborated with Hiley). Or Yakir Aharonov. Or even my own quantum physics professor Herbert J. Bernstein.
@@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 you're clearly not familiar with his work, that's fine. thanks for the recs, though 'understand quantum physics and consciousness' idk what you mean by that. since to 'understand' quantum physics requires years of advanced postgrad math and physics, i am currently not able to 'understand' it. as per the interpretations of quantum theory, there is no consensus that can be 'understood'.
@@real_pattern Actually I took quantum physics as my first physics class and Professor Herbert J. Bernstein insists that everyone should takes quantum physics as their first physics course since quantum physics is the foundation of reality. Basil J. Hiley emphasizes that there is no need for the wavefunction in quantum physics and also no need to "collapse" the wavefunction and hence no "quantum measurement" problem. You'd be surprised what you can learn from Hiley. hahaha. He emphasizes that most physicists can not handle nonlocality. Professor Jean Bricmont points out that the Bell's Inequality has debunked Quantum Field theory! Why? Bell's Inequality proves there is no symmetric rest frame in relativity as is also the assumption of QFT. Penrose discusses how gravitational entropy is the opposite the entropy of matter and thus the universe began in highly coherent asymmetric time. This completely goes against the assumption of time invariance in standard quantum physics. So you insist on relying on being indoctrinated by all these "advanced" courses that all rely on commutative geometry then you'll miss Fields Medal math professor Alain Connes point that noncommutativity is the secret origin of quantum randomness and almost all scientists consider noncommutativity to be not just a nuisance but very strange. Penrose now relies on noncommutativity for the foundation of his "palatial twistor" model. Even Lawrence Krauss had no idea about this when he recently "interviewed" Penrose claiming he understood Penrose since he had read Penrose's last book (from ten years ago!). haha. Just goes to show how arrogant other physicists are in this subject matter of the truth of reality.
Check out your Celtic druid roots, for each to be free to find how they can support the whole the greater good, let joy creativity imagination and services to others be your guide...
What we have discovered so far in universe , is limitless reproduction by concentrations and explosions or evaporation going on all over the multiverse , accidents are frequent too , black holes moving and dragging dust and explosion products behind and making galaxies , galaxies meeting and making bigger galaxies etc... etc.... to infinity and limitless worlds of matter causing energy in perpetual motion !
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it is not the 'human -- nature' rift that needs correcting, but the absurd notion that there ever could be such a rift.
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The biggest mistake science has made is taking the Creator out of creation.
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I mean, she has beautiful poetic point of view, but she talks so much and say nothing lol. She has some superficial knowledge of random topics and just uses so many poetic filling words to make it seem like she's saying something lol. I'm sorry to be harsh. She could have at least mentioned the double slit experiment to answer the first part about how consciousness seems to directly affect reality. I love the idea that the universe is thought. It makes me think of "as above so below" how we dream realistic life situations created in our minds with all characters are basically us, yet seem seperate. Maybe we are inside "god's" dream. And with god I mean us as a collective consciousness. My take away about the part of how our self awarness seems to be in odds with our own good, is that maybe we are now in the phase of a "teenager" consciousness, observing ourselves, and maybe needs a little confusion and trauma in order to evolve into maturity and realise that we are one. We are the same person/consciousness.
But I was mainly impressed by how you somehow managed to keep the conversation going :D
I'd like to agree with Jude but the premise just doesn't hold water. There are plenty of inanimate things in the Universe that evolve and increase in complexity with time which are not conscious. If that were not true we wouldn't be here to discuss it. Life intially was a complex set of biomolecular assoc on clay surfaces that utilized minerals as a source of reductive power. Over 100s of millions of years and numerous emergent events cellular life emerged. This doesn't mean the Universe became more intelligent for in another part of our galaxy or in another galaxy a supernova could have destroyed an entire interplanetary civilization. It's all speculation as far as I can tell no evidence to support design or a designer or some sort of universal conscious agent that apparentky has no material body or physical agency. Theologians refer to this idea as God or some sort of metaphysical ground being of all reality. They contend that all things have "being." I really think they are speaking nonsense. Sorry, but a styrofoam cup of instant noodles does not have "being."
Actually Jude knows here quantum physics pretty well. Consider Yakir Aharonov's statement: Yakir Aharonov: "There is a non-local exchange that depends on the modular variable....I'm saying that I have now an intuitive picture to understand interference by saying that when a particle moves through two slits, it always goes through one slit or the other, but it knows which other slit, the slit through which it did not go, whether it is open or not, because there are nonlocal equations of motion." Finally making sense of the double-slit experiment (2017, Aharonov): "The nonlocal equations of motion in the Heisenberg picture thus allow us to consider a particle going through only one of the slits, but it nevertheless has nonlocal information regarding the other slit.... The Heisenberg picture, however, offers a different explanation for the loss of interference that is not in the language of collapse: if one of the slits is closed by the experimenter, a nonlocal exchange of modular momentum with the particle occurs....Alternatively, in the Heisenberg picture, the particle has both a definite location and a nonlocal modular momentum that can “sense” the presence of the other slit and therefore, create interference...""What is the effect of this nonlocal motion?...The idea is the following then...In the beginning I certainly don't know through which slit the particle is going because I want to know the module momentum. Then I wait for the interference pattern to happen and after it happens I can check whether the particle was coming from this side [slit] or coming from that side [slit] by a future experiment." "So if I'm able to describe the situation in the present by two vectors: one coming from the future that will tell me through which path the particle went and one coming from the past that tells me that the modular momentum is definite. Then I can see, indeed, there's nonlocal phenomena and not violating causality, because I said I know only from the future through which path the particle went. This is the basic idea and now I will try to describe it more mathematically."
but the noodles were a grain/plant at one point, alive, living, and I don't know what styrofoam is made from, but chemicals made of molecular structures, molecules are not separate from the wave particle understanding of how things come into observation and our perception. as better explained in the other reply... Jude really did explain it pretty well.
Look into the work of David Bohm to understand the implicate/explicate order of all things.
Why choose styrofoam packaged noodles? What’s the difference between that and the dried cum on your dads sock that could have been another you? 😂
I'm afraid this is crackpottery. Unscientific drivel. I hoped for better conversations on this channel. I still hope.
I loved this. So much resonates, and there is so much to take away from this conversation. Thank you!