This Technology Will Change Typing Forever
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- Опубліковано 3 чер 2024
- This video talks about the company whose aim is to help everyone type an average of 250-300 words per minute. This is going to be helpful in writing a book, sending emails, and even non-typing activities like video editing, cadding, and graphic design.
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You can basically accomplish everything the Charachorder lite can do with a standard NKRO keyboard with plover.
You're right! It's also the cheapest option. If something happens to your keyboard, you can simply replace it with a new one from any brand you like.
The average typing speed today is not 40 WPM. This has bugged me for a long time because it was "40 WPM" when I looked it up 10 years ago, and it's still "40 WPM" today. I think this is because most of the websites that pop up when you ask this question on google are simply too lazy to check with more recent studies and are just recognizing "40 WPM" as some sort of unchanged standard. According to more recent studies it seems that the averaging typing speed today is around 50-60 WPM, which makes much more sense given how much more involved with technology the world is today. Doesn't invalidate any of your points, just a small peeve of mine.
I did use google and the predominant answer was 40. But as a hunch, I do agree with you because I type at 80wpm with a keyboard and a bunch of people I know are in the 70's-90's.
Great video! The algorithm picked you up. Good luck on your journey :)
I really appreciate the kind words. Your comment helps with the algorithm as well so thank you for that!
Very interesting. Worth a shot
Am I the only one who NEEDS the slower speed of traditional typing to properly edit my thoughts into communication that's worthwhile? I don't think the world wants the first draft of what comes out of my head. LOL
You don't want raw unfiltered thoughts to gush out of you?
I'm sure some people feel that way as well. However, I was trained so hard in school to speak essay-like, so writing or typing has always been my bottleneck, and I rarely need to do editing of more than a few words here and there. I can always polish it, but "the first draft of what comes out of my head" is exactly what happens when we speak, anyway. Or text, usually.
Great idea! Thanks for sharing it
This video is interesting but I do have one question, what makes their regular keyboard version any better than just learning something like stenography on a regular keyboard with the already open source software plover? Same question with their usb stick, they're both different types of chording aren't they?
Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with plover. I'll ask around in the discord chat and come back to you on that
There are at least a few things that come to mind. Many regular keyboards have limitations on how many simultaneous keypresses they can handle, so it limits the chording ability. Also, if the logic is configured in the keyboard or usb-adapter then you can use it with any computer/device without installing and configuring software on each of them (you may not be able to install such software on every device).
Not much. Which is why it's kinda annoying that this is advertised as "revolutionary" when we've been doing it with plover for years, and with steno machines for decades. You can use any NKRO keyboard (I use a Moonlander), or a steno-specific keyboard for ease. I guess they don't classify the latter as "keyboards" which is why they get to claim so many things are unique to the Charachorder. There's an old design known as the DataHand which has the same input method - only difference is those were stationary buttons you bump with your fingers rather than joysticks. Exact same motions though. CC's inovation is combining DataHand with Steno (albeit a new, proprietary, non-phonetic steno).
Duuuudeee that’s incredible, but I have a question.
That work with any language? Like Portuguese or just in English cuz if it works in Portuguese I wanna buy right now. It’s gona make my job really fast.
To set the expectations right, it will take a lot of practice time before you get super efficient with it. In terms of the language, I'm not sure. I would go the discord channel and ask people on the chat to see if it works in Portuguese: discord.com/invite/hYu6VW5YkM
It looks like its compatible with Portuguese:
www.charachorder.com/pages/compatible-languages
Fantastic video essay. I am going to try and catch up to technology and relearn how to type! Once I get my CCX that is. But wait, there’s more! Because I’m such a glutton for punishment, I won’t be learning on a traditional keyboard! Woohoo! Am I insane? Probably. But YOLO! Right?🤣
Lol!!! 😂
The technology, "chording", is not new and already has changed text input forever (stenographers do it for a living). For years there has been an open software called Plover that even lets you do it with any NKRO keyboard.
I love the CC idea and I just bought one, but it's just a combination of stenography and the DataHand, both old ideas.
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Very interesting. For the algo!
Thanks for the comment. It definitely helps the algo 👍
Completetion of text is no problem, I use ergonomic arrows because this, but AUTO-completation of text is complicated. Anyway, ergonomic is important and this keyboard is very ergonomic. My doubt is tactility and linearity of this keyboard. Levers allow arbitrary movements and remove the firmness, the levers need to be restricted to moving in only two directions (four orientations).
Tactility is actually pretty good. Our main concern is the durability of the stems (I've had to do a few warranty claims because the stems their broke or got lose).
They're working on version two of the CC1 called the Master's Forge with more durable switches:
forgekeyboard.com/products/masters-forge
@@klintwitha-kcharachorder3336 the directions of stick need to be restricted, this is important. Let me see a example... car gear! Yes, for example, when you shift the car into gear, the directions are restricted, meaning you cannot move the car gear lever in any direction. I hope you understood.
@@panteaofisica the cc1 isn't that strict, but it also not lose like a joystick. It goes in four cardinal directions and the probability of screwing up is low.
@@klintwitha-kcharachorder3336 Interesting, so the CC lever has a soft restriction, i.e. it's easier to push only in 4 orientations?
@@panteaofisica yup. You could do diagonal presses but it's so hard that some of us CC1 users never do it.
I think the average typing speed is misleading. Back in the 1800's typewriters would have been less common than keyboards are today, so only people who would need to type/be good at typing would have access to them. Compared to today, a lot more people who are not trained typists use keyboards, which would bring the average down.
My personal hunch is that the average speed today is way faster than 40wpm. We site 40wpm because it's what google tells us.
Stenography was invented more than 100 years ago, yet people continue to write using typing methods, largely because it is a proprietary product. To truly advance new technology like this, it should not be proprietary. Nowadays, voice-to-text and AI are also in the game.
The founder of CharaChorder is a big fan of steno and there are a few steno users who also use the cc1. We do have huge respect for them for their skills.
They say after transcribing with steno, they still have to rewrite their work with a qwerty so that others can read it.
@@klintwitha-kcharachorder3336 In my opinion, developing writing skills with a keyboard is a process that cannot be accomplished in just a day or a month, especially at the speed typically achieved. Therefore, these skills should not be limited to proprietary products.
For instance, if someone develops their writing skills using CharaChorder and one day their CharaChorder breaks, they would have to purchase the same keyboard to continue using their writing skills. This is similar to what happens with a stenotype machine.
In comparison, if they use a mechanical keyboard that supports NKRO and Plover, they would be able to replace the keyboard with any mechanical keyboard from any brand and still retain their skills.
This is just my opinion on how to develop and embed skills with a lower risk of being locked into a single device.
CharaChorder could produce an excellent product version with all the features to make it even better. At the same time, they could make it open-source, so people do not have to worry about their skill capabilities being limited to a single device. They would be able to customize if needed, following the same approach as the Open Steno Project.
This might take off, if its not that expensive. 400 is a lot to invest into something that has such a steep learning curve.
Fair
Agree.
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Would've been nice if you had actually explained what chording is to begin with. Also pretty disappointing that you barely disclosed the fact that you're an affiliate
What do you mean? I literally disclosed at the end that I'm an affiliate, pretty blatantly, too.
And yup, I actually took out the explanation on how chording works in the script because it was getting long, but now I regret doing it.
@@klintwitha-kcharachorder3336 Ah sorry ngl I didn't watch until the end but I still think it should've been near the beginning. I do admire that you wanted to keep the video short and simple although it still would've been nice to hear what chording does at all, even without hearing how it works.
@@JellySword8 That's fair. But the way chording works is that you mash a bunch of letters together that's in a word to produce the word. They don't even have to be in order. They also don't have to have all the letters in a word. For example, if you type wt (in any order), the device will produce the word without.
You can also make custom chords. :)
Why can't they do it via software?
They get this question a lot. From what I heard, taking the software route has a lot of limitations.
You can, it's called Plover, it's modelled after more traditional steno machines, all you need is a N key rollover capable keyboard.
However, it may not be super comfortable using any regular keyboard for this as the row stagger and the keycap shape on most keyboards aren't optimized for chording input. For this reason, people tend to gravitate towards ortholinear or column-staggered keyboards for steno, or specialized keyboards dedicated to steno, but that's not a hard requirement.
I still find the concept of the charachorder interesting, they seem to have taken some inspiration on the DataHand keyboard and adapted that concept for chorded typing, so instead of pressing one or the keys with each finger, you just move each to one of 4 different positions for basically the same effect, except with potentially less range of motion, which looks like a good idea ergonomics-wise.
very high quality video. i hope you get at least 500k views on this video. its at 1,100 views on 7/30/2023.
Thank you! This is a comment I'll definitely look back to in the future
Good production.
Thank you!
@@klintwitha-kcharachorder3336 when are we getting the X? Any timeline?
@@0xeb- I think they said they're going to start fulfilling orders at the end of July
This will never take off.
Why?
@@KevinK-ix6hc 6 months since I made the comment, see them overrunning markets?
@@KevinK-ix6hcsteep learning curve. But while I agree it will never "take off" as in "everyone will switch to it" or even "a signifficant part of the general population will adopt it", it doesn't have to "take off" like this to be a successful product. It's a niche product, it can still be successful in it's niche without "taking over the world"...
Learning steno is way harder than switching from QWERTY to Dvorak or something else, while you can get comfortable with Dvorak in two to three months, it may easily take a year or longer to achieve about the same typing speed you had with a regular keyboard using steno. To get really fast, it may take even longer and most people aren't dedicated enough to put the effort in learning a skill like this.
The designers of CharaChorder also took a risky gamble, instead of mimicking a traditional steno machine, they went with a new design that while may provide ergonomics benefits over the traditional stuff, it poses a higher barrier of entry. If that gamble pays off or not, only time will tell.
Ergonomic keyboards is already a niche, lot's of people hate anything that deviates too much from the standard keyboard layout, this goes a few steps further than that. Still, steno has got a lot of attention from a wider audience as it became possible to try with either regular or custom keyboards. And even though the CharaChorder is more exyensive, it's still waaaayy cheaper than a professional steno machine, so it's still got some potential to attract some people who are either interested in learning a now technique to type faster or wants to try a chording keyboard for ergonomic reasons without having to fork out thousands of dollars on a steno machine.
I see no evidence of this keyboard actually being accurate at that speed. Steno keyboards however have actually proof that they can be used with accuracy.
What do you mean? When you press an "a" switch, it outputs an "a" accurately
@@klintwitha-kcharachorder3336 I mean actual long texts being outputted at the same speed without reducing accuracy, that's what I'm talking about.
The only evidence is the CEO writing one liners at 400-500wpm which is easy if you have everything rehearsed but no actual random long texts that you have not pre-read and rehearsed a lot.
Gotcha. It comes down to skill like the steno. If you dig on his channel, Riley has a video where he is transcribing a video of person in real time so it's pretty legit.
I personally can't do it yet though. Let me know if you have any more question. We also have a discord server if you're interested: discord.gg/zFrq2uuY
@@klintwitha-kcharachorder3336 I'm more interested to see what percentage of owners of Charachorder can do it too.
If only Riley can do it then that's the best sign the product is a dud and needs further improvement.
If you can show me video proof of other owners of charachorder on a steno testing website measuring their speed and accuracy then then I'll consider this keyboard, otherwise it's a waste of my time and I'll just use my steno keyboard that is 4 times cheaper.
preference
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I am 100% certain the only person that can type 500 wpm using that keyboard is Riley Keen and no one else. Also, I don't see which types of disabilities this keyboard is supposed to help people with as it requires way more dexterity to learn and use effectively. This and other ergo keyboards are so proprietary to whoever vision the creators had at the time that it can't be used nor reasoned by anyone else. This idea is not new and has been demonstrated already in stenography machines and keyboards, which are way easier to learn and are cheaper. They have less keys and you don't type letters, you input syllables and words instead, which makes text input even faster. No wonder those are still used by court reporters. The whole "speed of thought" idea sounds cool until you discover that's not how people write text. You don't think about what you want to type at the same speed as you're thinking about it. Your thoughts are several steps ahead and you'd actually type slower if you typed like that. Don't believe me? Ask someone to read every single word you're putting on the screen as you type them and see how well you perform.
He may be the only one who can type 500wpm right now, but there's a lot of us gunning for that speed as well; at least we now know it's possible
I've seen a few demos of the Chara Chord and the creator doesn't even come close to 500 wpm in any of them (he barely makes past 200). So, it's easy to see how his results are considered suspicious.
@@BrunodeSouzaLino He reached 500 in one of the b-rollls I used in the video.
I don't think he types at an average of 500 though. Maybe 200-300.
@@klintwitha-kcharachorder3336 I've been looking into this product for a while and the amount of marketing available for it vastly outnumbers the amount of product reviews and demos of it coming from independent sources. It's strange that a product which claims and supposedly demonstrates performance figures so high doesn't seem to get traction even among people that specifically review ergo and usual keyboards, even ones which are far more expensive than the Chara Chorder. In a sense, we could argue Riley Keen is the Barbara Blackburn of this time.
@@BrunodeSouzaLino here's one if you're interested: ua-cam.com/users/shorts7KFpReryK_E?feature=share
This video makes a lot of goofy assumptions. Typing speed should increase with "technology?" Presumably handwriting never got much faster over the eons despite many ups and downs in technological sophistication. Book writing will be faster if people can type faster? That's pretty funny. Ask any writer and they'll tell you that typing is absolutely not the bottleneck on book writing speed.
This whole fanboy video and you didn't even explain how chording works.
I'm interested in the technology but this is an awful video.
Fair. I decided not explain how the cc tech works because the cc channel already has explanation for it.
youtube.com/@CharaChorder
Even if typing isn't the bottleneck for typing, it still helps a lot of a person can type faster. I personally saw 30-40% increase in my productivity because of the cc1.