You're a genius! I didn't find a better method for explaining this than you came up with, in all of UA-camville. Thank you so much for making my life easier!!! Instead of "reads as" we could also say when the note is sounded by the transposing instrument it "transposes higher/lower" into the players framework or beneficial auditory framework for the class of instrument - - a trumpet player learns combinations/patterns. (I guess there are also cases where it benefits the achievable note range or the ability for richer textures resulting from 2 players with 2 different transpositions). it's like telling some weird guitar instrument owner with special strings that like a certain tightness, and thus who had a tuner that could only tune the strings so that a C chord shape sounded an Eb chord, to put a capo on placed 3 frets above the nut so as to hear a C chord when they play that C chord shape that previously was sounding an Eb per Concert Pitch. It's less confusing for me now, but I can see that there's more to it than I ever thought.
It took me ages to figure this out, and I always have to remind myself. But the rule for most instruments is: READ LOWER, WRITE HIGHER. Simple. IF you're looking at a transposed score in the key of C, the trumpet will be written in D. READ THE TRUMPET NOTES IN THE KEY OF C (LOWER). If you're writing a trumpet part for a piece in C, write the trumpet part in D. WRITE THE TRUMPET PART IN THE KEY OF D (WRITE HIGHER).
The guitar + capo example is a great way to show why it can make sense to have transposing instruments! (well, it makes sense for the affected musicians, for the rest of us it's just a pita we have to accept and deal with... j/k, I suppose the performing musician is the person under the most real-time stress when dealing with the notes, so it's sensible that their convenience is maximized instead of that of other people)
This is the trick I'm using to read transposed scores: Bb Trumpets and Clarinet, picture of the note a second right below. For F Horn and Cor Angles, pretend you are reading bass cleff and pictute the note one second just above. This takes care of 90% of the headache for me especially if the key signature is adjusted in the score.
Transposing itself isn't the problem. It's reading the notation and altered positions of the notes for those instruments. I can transpose anything in a heartbeat. What is so tedious is trying to read or write the shifted notation for so many different instruments. It's actually more confusing because they all use the same basic staff, but move the positions around, so you have to memorize a different set of positions for each trans instrument.
Hello, Mattia! First time We've come across your channel. Really been enjoying your work. We have a question, what are your PC's Specs? Would you ever do a video on your Studio & equipment? Cheers! :):)
Thanks! Other than owning a few instruments I don’t really have that much stuff so it would be a fairly uninteresting video 😂 I work on an iMac i7 quad, 32gb, fusion drive, stream samples off and ssd Samsung evo.
If a Trpt player played a C looking at a written C however fingering a D on his instrument maybe the problem of writing non transposing could be solved. Not?
Is it alright to transpose parts of a song instead of the whole song? I want to adapt the music to an instrument for solo that doesn’t have the range needed. Sometimes I need to transpose down a fourth in some parts, but everything still sounds good when played together. Am I breaking any music laws here?
Pretty good explanation. But I think I would suplement the word "read" with "sound". The player is READING the same note as written on the stave but the note SOUNDING out of his Instrument is another. So for the Bb-Trumpet: you WRITE a middle C, the player READS a middle C but what SOUNDS is a Bb. The other way around: You want the SOUND of a middle C, so you have to WRITE a D instead which the player READS as a D as well but SOUNDING is a middle C. But your explanation is just as good, maybe could get a little bit confusing because the players are not "reading" in another way.
I see your point but I was thinking more as if you were reading in a different clef from the perspective of a composer not the players’. I think reading a note that produces a different pitch creates an extra layer of confusion, that’s why I worded it this way. I do see your point though
@@MattiaChiappa Yeah, adding that extra layer makes it more confusing thats right. I just wanted to point this out because its another way of thinking :)
Yes, ... and what you have to get used to writing and reading in the key for viola, ... and I think that the maximum trauma begins with the horns jaaa. A hug
I understand how guitar capo tranposes.. And I can use the exact same figuring of D chord to play F chord using capo I understand how my electric piano can transpose higher or lower And eg I can even play E major scale using the exact same white keys used to play c maj scale. However.. I still can't understand this video regarding transposing instruments like blowninstruments etc Andnthie is the 2nd video on the subject. And after lunch I will have to find a 3rd video on the subject This seems worse than calculus And yet how is that possible Nothing is as complicated as calculus.. Perhaps I am wrong
After watching 3 other videos on transposing instruments, I finally am starting to understand, with the help of the capo demonstration. Thanks!
You're a genius! I didn't find a better method for explaining this than you came up with, in all of UA-camville. Thank you so much for making my life easier!!! Instead of "reads as" we could also say when the note is sounded by the transposing instrument it "transposes higher/lower" into the players framework or beneficial auditory framework for the class of instrument - - a trumpet player learns combinations/patterns. (I guess there are also cases where it benefits the achievable note range or the ability for richer textures resulting from 2 players with 2 different transpositions). it's like telling some weird guitar instrument owner with special strings that like a certain tightness, and thus who had a tuner that could only tune the strings so that a C chord shape sounded an Eb chord, to put a capo on placed 3 frets above the nut so as to hear a C chord when they play that C chord shape that previously was sounding an Eb per Concert Pitch. It's less confusing for me now, but I can see that there's more to it than I ever thought.
Ahah you’re welcome! Glad this helped 😁
Awesome explanation! Thanks!
You’re welcome!
Great explanation, I often use a baritone guitar that could be seen as transposition instrument that plays an 8ve plus a 4th lower than written!
Thanks!
It took me ages to figure this out, and I always have to remind myself. But the rule for most instruments is: READ LOWER, WRITE HIGHER. Simple. IF you're looking at a transposed score in the key of C, the trumpet will be written in D. READ THE TRUMPET NOTES IN THE KEY OF C (LOWER). If you're writing a trumpet part for a piece in C, write the trumpet part in D. WRITE THE TRUMPET PART IN THE KEY OF D (WRITE HIGHER).
The guitar + capo example is a great way to show why it can make sense to have transposing instruments! (well, it makes sense for the affected musicians, for the rest of us it's just a pita we have to accept and deal with... j/k, I suppose the performing musician is the person under the most real-time stress when dealing with the notes, so it's sensible that their convenience is maximized instead of that of other people)
I agree Dave. Even if it’s a bit of a pain, it’s the musicians who eventually have to play the music
This is the trick I'm using to read transposed scores:
Bb Trumpets and Clarinet, picture of the note a second right below.
For F Horn and Cor Angles, pretend you are reading bass cleff and pictute the note one second just above.
This takes care of 90% of the headache for me especially if the key signature is adjusted in the score.
Good one Daniel! That’s great advice
And what about an F horn in bass clef? 😈
Interesting way of looking at it, it's a great way to remember. But, I was hoping you'd help us remember which instruments tune which way. :)
This makes a lot of sense!
Great video, bravissimo Mattia!
Thanks 😊
Very well explained, thank you!
You’re welcome!
Transposing itself isn't the problem. It's reading the notation and altered positions of the notes for those instruments. I can transpose anything in a heartbeat. What is so tedious is trying to read or write the shifted notation for so many different instruments. It's actually more confusing because they all use the same basic staff, but move the positions around, so you have to memorize a different set of positions for each trans instrument.
Hello, Mattia! First time We've come across your channel. Really been enjoying your work. We have a question, what are your PC's Specs? Would you ever do a video on your Studio & equipment? Cheers! :):)
Thanks! Other than owning a few instruments I don’t really have that much stuff so it would be a fairly uninteresting video 😂 I work on an iMac i7 quad, 32gb, fusion drive, stream samples off and ssd Samsung evo.
If a Trpt player played a C looking at a written C however fingering a D on his instrument maybe the problem of writing non transposing could be solved. Not?
Great, thank you so much! ☺️
You’re welcome!
basically, the notes need to fit on the staff with the least amount of annoying legerlines
if you're speaking to people that write midi in a piano roll, you could explain all this in 60 seconds. Select all, move up or down to new key.
Good one Matt ❤️😄
Thanks!
Is it alright to transpose parts of a song instead of the whole song? I want to adapt the music to an instrument for solo that doesn’t have the range needed. Sometimes I need to transpose down a fourth in some parts, but everything still sounds good when played together. Am I breaking any music laws here?
If it sounds good to you then do it 😁
Pretty good explanation. But I think I would suplement the word "read" with "sound". The player is READING the same note as written on the stave but the note SOUNDING out of his Instrument is another. So for the Bb-Trumpet: you WRITE a middle C, the player READS a middle C but what SOUNDS is a Bb. The other way around: You want the SOUND of a middle C, so you have to WRITE a D instead which the player READS as a D as well but SOUNDING is a middle C. But your explanation is just as good, maybe could get a little bit confusing because the players are not "reading" in another way.
I see your point but I was thinking more as if you were reading in a different clef from the perspective of a composer not the players’. I think reading a note that produces a different pitch creates an extra layer of confusion, that’s why I worded it this way. I do see your point though
@@MattiaChiappa Yeah, adding that extra layer makes it more confusing thats right. I just wanted to point this out because its another way of thinking :)
Yes, ... and what you have to get used to writing and reading in the key for viola, ... and I think that the maximum trauma begins with the horns jaaa. A hug
For sure! Nobody likes the alto clef 😂
I understand how guitar capo tranposes..
And I can use the exact same figuring of D chord to play F chord using capo
I understand how my electric piano can transpose higher or lower
And eg I can even play E major scale using the exact same white keys used to play c maj scale.
However..
I still can't understand this video regarding transposing instruments like blowninstruments etc
Andnthie is the 2nd video on the subject.
And after lunch I will have to find a 3rd video on the subject
This seems worse than calculus
And yet how is that possible
Nothing is as complicated as calculus..
Perhaps I am wrong
You've just made it worse 😂 Just Kidding
Ahah ops