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I friggin' LOVE field phones! People say, "Oh sure. They're nice in defense. But you cannot use them in offense." Uhmm...we used field phones in the Rakkasans with the 101st AASLT DIV to conduct a company size raid with CAS. We knew the enemy could listen in on our radio broadcasts, so we conducted reconnaissance, observation posts at release points, and the entire raid by field phone. The only radio used was to coordinate the Apache gunships at the end of the attack as we withdrew.
It would be great to put together a video of offensive operations using field telephones. I'm having trouble visualizing how it would work with manuvering units and avoiding tripping hazards.
@@freedomfalcon - Agreed. I've been contemplating exactly such a video. I've just got too much on my plate right now. But definitely a good video for the future.
Erwin Rommel in "Attacks" regularly talks about using field phones in the attack, especially during the fighting in Italy. He speaks of them very highly.
This is an excellent video! Thank you so much for showing how to set these phones up in the field including some philosophy of use. It's nice to get a sense how these can be used operationally rather than simply set up on someone's kitchen table. New subscriber!
If this uses 2x D-cell batteries in SERIES, you could easily use a single 18650, or a PARALLEL pack of 18650 batteries for more capacity and less weight. (2x 1.5v is close to the 1x 3.7v) If the D-cell batteries are in parallel, it would be a more technical question on whether you could upgrade to the higher 3.7v batteries.
WW2 era kit consists of four-1meter interlocking steel tube sections with two pronged ends and two pruning hook parts. All fits in a russet leather carry rig. @@PegasusTests
the only major difference between the ta-43 and ta-312 is the ta-312 has an external handset/headset connector and an internal/external switch for the connector, otherwise both phones perform and operate the same way. the ta-43 and ta-312 can communicate over 22 miles of wire, the ta-1 is limited to 1-2 miles since it is sound powered. the magneto in the ta-1 is rather weak, and might not be able to ring a ta-43 or ta-312 if it is more than 1 mile away. there is a visual ringer light accessory for the ta-43 and ta-312, and there is also a touch-tone keypad for the ta-312 that allows it to connect to any standard pots landline. both the ta-43 and ta-312 can operate without batteries when they are connected to a powered switchboard like the sb-22.
Yep. And the process for connecting calls from Radar's HQ to the Pentagon is pretty easy. The HQ is using a SB-86/P or other larger switchboard with a telephone trunk line, which of course gives access to the regular phone system (at the time a series of operators, probably at specific military bases in the US, connecting patch cords and transferring the call)--a little time consuming maybe, but definitely not unrealistic at all. The EE-8, TA-43 & TA-312 operate in local or common battery mode, so all Radar has to do is pick up the handset and it signals the HQ switchboard that the MASH phone is off hook. I have all of the aforementioned telephony devices and the way they can interconnect is just cool! I've seen comments from US Marines that TA-43 and even EE-8 field phones were issued in theater in the Gulf War in '91!!--Not sure if that's accurate, though.
I need to get a couple of TA-1s, I like them. The TA-43 and TA-312 have the battery AND weight issues--they are heavy. Not an issue for stationary positions, obviously. I really wish I could find reproductions for those handset warning decals for my TA-312/PT phones... BTW: Not sure what's wrong with your TA-1--probably nothing, your TA-312 or TA-43 selector switch is likely in CB or CBS mode?--but the batteries don't have anything to do with the ringing ability of the phone; the batteries (TA-43 & TA-312) only operate the microphone element when the PTT is pressed. The ringing generator on the TA-1 should definitely put out enough voltage (65~80VAC) and the proper 20Hz signaling to ring the TA-312/TA-43 with or without batteries--or even the SB-22 switchboards...and other two-wire field phones operated by the US military and NATO countries. My TA-312 phone clackers operate no problems so long as the selector is in LB (local battery) mode--CB (common battery) and CBS (Common Battery Signaling) are for use in other kinds of phone systems (Automatic switchboards, usually) and don't use the ring voltage for calling--typically for outgoing calls only. Most field operations only use the LB selector.
It was interesting video, we still use field phones- allthough very rare, for example when setting up linear ambush, for the left and right flank. The reason was to maintain communications in case there is jamming.
@@PegasusTests I wish we trained more in simulated conditions where there is OPFOR with EW capabilities. But then again if someone has used expensive military grade communications equipment like radios- he would be surprised that there are situations- when there are problems in the field when there shouldn't be any reason for them- allthough this just my opinion as "consumer" not a communications specialist.
TA-1 is sound powered. The squeeze magneto generates ring only. TA-1 is only as good as the PMCS performed. They had a bad habit of the mic element getting solid and not work also they needed the internal contacts burnished and cleaned on occasions.. Applying power to the TA-1 line won't improve the sound power. A TA-43/TA-312 will ring with no batteries in it. The batteries do nothing but power the microphone element. You can operate them using external batteries up to a 9V using the external power screw posts on the top of the case.
I friggin' LOVE field phones! People say, "Oh sure. They're nice in defense. But you cannot use them in offense." Uhmm...we used field phones in the Rakkasans with the 101st AASLT DIV to conduct a company size raid with CAS. We knew the enemy could listen in on our radio broadcasts, so we conducted reconnaissance, observation posts at release points, and the entire raid by field phone. The only radio used was to coordinate the Apache gunships at the end of the attack as we withdrew.
It would be great to put together a video of offensive operations using field telephones. I'm having trouble visualizing how it would work with manuvering units and avoiding tripping hazards.
@@freedomfalcon - Agreed. I've been contemplating exactly such a video. I've just got too much on my plate right now. But definitely a good video for the future.
Erwin Rommel in "Attacks" regularly talks about using field phones in the attack, especially during the fighting in Italy. He speaks of them very highly.
Great video brother, I thought about doing this same video. Couldn't haven't done this better myself. Good job!
This is an excellent video! Thank you so much for showing how to set these phones up in the field including some philosophy of use. It's nice to get a sense how these can be used operationally rather than simply set up on someone's kitchen table. New subscriber!
If this uses 2x D-cell batteries in SERIES, you could easily use a single 18650, or a PARALLEL pack of 18650 batteries for more capacity and less weight. (2x 1.5v is close to the 1x 3.7v)
If the D-cell batteries are in parallel, it would be a more technical question on whether you could upgrade to the higher 3.7v batteries.
I have examples of that equipment. Plus a Swedish tool kit for setting the wire in trees.
Interesting. I would like to know more about that Swedish tree item.
WW2 era kit consists of four-1meter interlocking steel tube sections with two pronged ends and two pruning hook parts. All fits in a russet leather carry rig.
@@PegasusTests
the only major difference between the ta-43 and ta-312 is the ta-312 has an external handset/headset connector and an internal/external switch for the connector, otherwise both phones perform and operate the same way. the ta-43 and ta-312 can communicate over 22 miles of wire, the ta-1 is limited to 1-2 miles since it is sound powered. the magneto in the ta-1 is rather weak, and might not be able to ring a ta-43 or ta-312 if it is more than 1 mile away. there is a visual ringer light accessory for the ta-43 and ta-312, and there is also a touch-tone keypad for the ta-312 that allows it to connect to any standard pots landline. both the ta-43 and ta-312 can operate without batteries when they are connected to a powered switchboard like the sb-22.
I’m so glad I finally found a good video on this because I recently had them gifted to me from my father and I was always wondering how to use these
cannot be jammed. priceless.
I have an argie locally produce TA312, sadly the battery compartment is welded but its a nice paper weight, great video as always brother
Radar used an EE-8, which was used prior to and concurrently with the TA-43.
Yep. And the process for connecting calls from Radar's HQ to the Pentagon is pretty easy. The HQ is using a SB-86/P or other larger switchboard with a telephone trunk line, which of course gives access to the regular phone system (at the time a series of operators, probably at specific military bases in the US, connecting patch cords and transferring the call)--a little time consuming maybe, but definitely not unrealistic at all. The EE-8, TA-43 & TA-312 operate in local or common battery mode, so all Radar has to do is pick up the handset and it signals the HQ switchboard that the MASH phone is off hook. I have all of the aforementioned telephony devices and the way they can interconnect is just cool! I've seen comments from US Marines that TA-43 and even EE-8 field phones were issued in theater in the Gulf War in '91!!--Not sure if that's accurate, though.
Yeah that 100 volts can set off an electric blasting cap as well. The enemy has also used the crank to apply 100 volts to prisoners nuts.
I need to get a couple of TA-1s, I like them. The TA-43 and TA-312 have the battery AND weight issues--they are heavy. Not an issue for stationary positions, obviously.
I really wish I could find reproductions for those handset warning decals for my TA-312/PT phones...
BTW: Not sure what's wrong with your TA-1--probably nothing, your TA-312 or TA-43 selector switch is likely in CB or CBS mode?--but the batteries don't have anything to do with the ringing ability of the phone; the batteries (TA-43 & TA-312) only operate the microphone element when the PTT is pressed. The ringing generator on the TA-1 should definitely put out enough voltage (65~80VAC) and the proper 20Hz signaling to ring the TA-312/TA-43 with or without batteries--or even the SB-22 switchboards...and other two-wire field phones operated by the US military and NATO countries. My TA-312 phone clackers operate no problems so long as the selector is in LB (local battery) mode--CB (common battery) and CBS (Common Battery Signaling) are for use in other kinds of phone systems (Automatic switchboards, usually) and don't use the ring voltage for calling--typically for outgoing calls only. Most field operations only use the LB selector.
I bet you could also use ethernet or similar telephone wire (it wouldn't have the tensile strength of military phone wire of course).
It was interesting video, we still use field phones- allthough very rare, for example when setting up linear ambush, for the left and right flank. The reason was to maintain communications in case there is jamming.
Thats a good use!
@@PegasusTests I wish we trained more in simulated conditions where there is OPFOR with EW capabilities. But then again if someone has used expensive military grade communications equipment like radios- he would be surprised that there are situations- when there are problems in the field when there shouldn't be any reason for them- allthough this just my opinion as "consumer" not a communications specialist.
@@karamelles98 You're not wrong
I'd probably put some thin foam in the case to deaden the case a little.
Are the wires polarized?
TA-1 is sound powered. The squeeze magneto generates ring only. TA-1 is only as good as the PMCS performed. They had a bad habit of the mic element getting solid and not work also they needed the internal contacts burnished and cleaned on occasions.. Applying power to the TA-1 line won't improve the sound power. A TA-43/TA-312 will ring with no batteries in it. The batteries do nothing but power the microphone element. You can operate them using external batteries up to a 9V using the external power screw posts on the top of the case.
We can use some help at 1 Shepherd with our field phones. Would you be interested in helping?
@@PegasusTests Absolutely
@@thefieldphoneguy8254 how do we reach you?
Please do a video on how to wire multiple Ta-1's preferably at least 4 phones
To think a 100+ year old technology is being used again 🤣
Ah, the O.G. mobile phones!
Is the military telephone legally produced? And for sale?
Yes, You can find. them for sale with surplus dealers.
Can a TA-312 and ta-1/pt talk to each other?
Yes they can!
MASH used EE-8 field fones
Look at them BDUS
It doesn’t look like any I’ve seen. Anybody here knows what product he’s wearing?
Nicely done!
Thanks!
Bioluminescent? So that thing is alive?