A little nitpicking is necessary: The simplifying claim "Fokker had essentially copied the design and labelled the aircraft as his own." was already refuted decades ago by the famous World war One aviation historian Peter Grosz (and others as well). Indeed, Fokker used the shape of the Morane for his M5 (forerunner of his EIndecker models) but developed a totally new structure. Instead of a wooden frame he constructed a revolutionary welded metal tube construction covered with linen.
Hey, thanks for sharing your concerns with my phrasing. I actually didn't mean it that way but can now see how it can be taken like that. It was meant to sound more about him being pratical and emulating an overall successful design and then working it out from there. That he might have changed / did change certain aspects (even about the synchronization gear) was implied although, with hindsight, rather poorly. I'll pin your comment so that future viewers can benefit from your clarification.
Just in case people want to do their own research: the common english term for Gestängesteuerung is 'interruptor [gear]'. A (slightly) more accurate but considerably less common term for the same thing is 'synchronisation gear'.
I fucking love this thing. It's so fucking beautiful. It's to bad you didn't talk about what I think is most interesting about her design. The way it used cables to warp the wing at its trailing edge wing tips to effectively roll the airplanes. It's crazy to think that there where men strapped in this thing to shoot down airplanes without ailerons. That's why this period of flight is by far the most interesting in my opinion. Great video!
There were a few sloppy mistakes but you're absolutely right that good ACM is key to everything, from WW1 through to 5th gen fighters. However by and large your strategy here was excellent, lag turns, as much of a yoyo as that aircraft can manage, and making sure you didn't overshoot as the priority rather than chasing the kill so hard you overshoot and get gunned down as some often do. But do try to make sure your scissors type manoeuvres aren't early, and choosing between a slice for angles and a pitchback for radius could be a little quicker, particularly when it comes to a standard one and two circle fight. On the flip side the slower speeds makes everything happen a lot faster so you really aren't given the time to think properly.
Wow, great job, Bismark. This video is not only informative in history stuff, It's one of the best demo video for high-yoyo and low-yoyo put in real combat that I've seen !! Well executed !!
I used to play "Ace of Aces" and "Red Baron". I remember how difficult it could be to win when flying an Eindecker against the planes that came just after it.
Awesome work - As Always Bismarck. Still waiting to see you on the Rise of Flight Multiplayer server ;) Having you join up on would make that server get some new blood for sure. Keep up the amazing videos.
A couple of things, IIRC all the rotary engines used in WWI were pretty closely related, as were the guns, being various evolutions of the Maxim, adapted for airplane use (i.e. no water jackets needed with a 150 mph wind blowing down their barrels all the time). It is historically accurate to get in really, really close. The machine guns they were using weren't the most accurate, and were prone to jamming. ISTR reading a story of a French pilot who returned to his field after a dogfight covered in blood. He wasn't wounded, just that close to his enemy. There were also quite a lot of mid-air collisions, both between combatants and friendlies. While pilots didn't get parachutes, (well, the Germans did late in the war, but allied officers thought pilots would chicken out and jump at the first sign of trouble) balloon observers did.
If you use your rudder more for turning you could have your target down a heck of a lot sooner. I've noticed in some instances the fokker would turn even faster if I went near 90deg roll from rudder input, then put in opposite rudder to roll back a bit, still in the turn, then apply rudder again in the turns direction. I usually only use stick roll to start turns and end them. Also, you need to use more rudder for aiming, so many shots you could have blasted into the guy but you didn't use any rudder to aim.
Fokker was a pioneer in other ways. After WW1 the allies were shocked that Fokker had no idea of machine guns. The credit to the trigger gear goes to Lübbe, Heber and Leimberger.
Really enjoying your ROF vids Bismarck. Btw, been watching your videos now since you began teaching me how to maneveur in War Thunder "HB's". Thinking I'll donate you some money soon so you can upgrade to a better rig. Keep up the good work brother.
Anthony Fokker , there was a story about him . He was in New York in about 1927 when he was mixed up .In what was said to be a murder , But I don't know anymore .
@Military Aviation History >>> ONE of my FEW strong criticisms of the movie *WONDER WOMAN [from 2017]* is the depiction of Chris Pine's character stealing a _Fokker Eindecker_ early in the movie to escape the Germans. As that part of the movie was set LATE in WWI, I would have expected him to steal a Fokker D.7, or maybe even a D.8. Eindeckers have been removed from frontline service long before then. {ANOTHER criticism was the CGI at the end of the movie, which STARTED LOOKING LIKE CGI. Other than that I enjoyed it. Considering the movie was a DCEU film, that is saying something...😊}
The engine is lubricated by a total loss castor oil system which works in a similar way to a 2 stroke engine lube system. It isn't fueled by castor oil.
Heh. Usually when I see that an enemy plane is totally crippled (like the guy losing his tail), I just let them be. Partly out of chivalrious behaviour of only shooting down the machines, not the men. But mostly to save even more ammo.
Was the Sikorsky S-16 not the first aircraft with synchronisation gear to fire its forward-firing armament through the arc of its spinning propeller without bullets striking the blades?
Awesome video Bismarck! Have you ever considered flying IL 2 Cliffs of Dover? (With TF mods) I think it is the most immersive and complex WW2 simulator on the market. The community is very active, 60+ people on at peak hours. Anyways, great video! Here's out TS if you would like to fly with us. 216.52.148.29
Ah man, would love to see you over the channel. We have a a good fourm you can post your technical issues there. But I presume you have already done that.
Hello guys, I have a problem considering the way graphics appear on this game... I did set everything on high, 1920x1980 resolution, but the image still looks like an old PC game from 2005 inatead of what is depicted on this video (or any other videos I've seen about RoF). Am I doing something wrong or there are mods to make the graphics look so...petfect!!
i assumed EVERYBODY knew Fokker was a Dutch scoundrel who stole other peoples' ideas. I mean, I'm bloody English and even I knew THAT! We English know a scoundrel when we see one. [and it's kind of ironic that the Germans starved Holland throughout WW2... of course, it was all Fokker's fault]. one of the few truly innovative and audacious German men during WW1 was Ludendorff. Bismarck spent most of his time posing for paintings or kissing babies at Galas. Bismarck was more a figurehead than a true Military thinker as he was well past his 'war winning' days and most truly important military decisions were made by Ludendorff [ok ok, so Bismarck had a lot to do with Tannenburg in 1914 but after that? he rode Ludendorff's coat tails] {pulls tongue}
That Nieuport was a moron. He should have reversed his turns on you, and you would have been screwed. The E-III rolls like a battleship. Just roll right, wait for the follow, then snap left and go into Immelman turn. No way the Fokker will be able to follow unless maybe he make a high jo-jo move by extending his right turn into an Immelman of his own and then barrelrols back in on you. Though the Fokker's roll is so bad I doubt he'd be able to complete that roll before the Nieuport is on him.
Incorrect. Radials and rotaries are two different types of engines. In a radial, the pistons rotate the crankshaft (to which the propeller is attatched), and the crankcase is fixed to the airframe. In a rotary, the crankshaft is fixed relative to the airframe, and it is the crank_case_ (in addition to the cylinders themselves and, of course, the propeller) that rotates. In WW1, rotaries were used more commonly than radials, in part because the engine technology of the time was inferior, leading to lower RPMs and longer gaps between pistons' firing. These longer gaps could result in a jerky and rough-riding engine, but the heavy mass of the engine crankcase in a rotary acted as a giant flywheel, helping to alleviate these effects. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotary_engine en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radial_engine
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A little nitpicking is necessary: The simplifying claim "Fokker had essentially copied the design and labelled the aircraft as his own." was already refuted decades ago by the famous World war One aviation historian Peter Grosz (and others as well). Indeed, Fokker used the shape of the Morane for his M5 (forerunner of his EIndecker models) but developed a totally new structure. Instead of a wooden frame he constructed a revolutionary welded metal tube construction covered with linen.
Hey, thanks for sharing your concerns with my phrasing. I actually didn't mean it that way but can now see how it can be taken like that. It was meant to sound more about him being pratical and emulating an overall successful design and then working it out from there. That he might have changed / did change certain aspects (even about the synchronization gear) was implied although, with hindsight, rather poorly. I'll pin your comment so that future viewers can benefit from your clarification.
By the way I enjoyed the video. Thanks for the pin!
Bismarck Why do you spell "Fokker" like "Fucker" ?
Just in case people want to do their own research: the common english term for Gestängesteuerung is 'interruptor [gear]'. A (slightly) more accurate but considerably less common term for the same thing is 'synchronisation gear'.
TO THE TOP !
"It was invented by this Fokker right here"
I fucking love this thing. It's so fucking beautiful. It's to bad you didn't talk about what I think is most interesting about her design. The way it used cables to warp the wing at its trailing edge wing tips to effectively roll the airplanes. It's crazy to think that there where men strapped in this thing to shoot down airplanes without ailerons. That's why this period of flight is by far the most interesting in my opinion. Great video!
There were a few sloppy mistakes but you're absolutely right that good ACM is key to everything, from WW1 through to 5th gen fighters. However by and large your strategy here was excellent, lag turns, as much of a yoyo as that aircraft can manage, and making sure you didn't overshoot as the priority rather than chasing the kill so hard you overshoot and get gunned down as some often do. But do try to make sure your scissors type manoeuvres aren't early, and choosing between a slice for angles and a pitchback for radius could be a little quicker, particularly when it comes to a standard one and two circle fight. On the flip side the slower speeds makes everything happen a lot faster so you really aren't given the time to think properly.
Hello UA-cam. Meet Olivia Lambert who is the second coming of Oswald Boelcke and served in the Luftstreitkräfte from 1892 to 2003!
Fokker stronk! Dutch master race!
Remove Entendre.
Joris Buljik
"i am dutch"
Need anymore be said? He admits he wears yellow riding pants and eats babies for breakfast!
scoundrel!!
hast du "Ober Ursel" gesagt?
Up near Vockenhausen!
Wow, great job, Bismark.
This video is not only informative in history stuff,
It's one of the best demo video for high-yoyo and low-yoyo put in real combat that I've seen !!
Well executed !!
More Rise of Flight PLEASE! :D
Ahaha @ 0:10. Pretty true yet funny. I also second liking the new style of this video.
Cool vid ^^ liked the style
I used to play "Ace of Aces" and "Red Baron". I remember how difficult it could be to win when flying an Eindecker against the planes that came just after it.
Great job again, Bismarck !
Awesome work - As Always Bismarck. Still waiting to see you on the Rise of Flight Multiplayer server ;) Having you join up on would make that server get some new blood for sure. Keep up the amazing videos.
Good work. Do more videos like this telling the history of airplanes pls
A couple of things, IIRC all the rotary engines used in WWI were pretty closely related, as were the guns, being various evolutions of the Maxim, adapted for airplane use (i.e. no water jackets needed with a 150 mph wind blowing down their barrels all the time).
It is historically accurate to get in really, really close. The machine guns they were using weren't the most accurate, and were prone to jamming. ISTR reading a story of a French pilot who returned to his field after a dogfight covered in blood. He wasn't wounded, just that close to his enemy. There were also quite a lot of mid-air collisions, both between combatants and friendlies.
While pilots didn't get parachutes, (well, the Germans did late in the war, but allied officers thought pilots would chicken out and jump at the first sign of trouble) balloon observers did.
Absolutely great video Bismarck!
I do miss these videos.
If you use your rudder more for turning you could have your target down a heck of a lot sooner. I've noticed in some instances the fokker would turn even faster if I went near 90deg roll from rudder input, then put in opposite rudder to roll back a bit, still in the turn, then apply rudder again in the turns direction. I usually only use stick roll to start turns and end them. Also, you need to use more rudder for aiming, so many shots you could have blasted into the guy but you didn't use any rudder to aim.
You, sir, are a 'Fokker'.
We're all 'Fokkers' up here.
Would highly recommend turning on closed captions, very entertaining.
Fokker was a pioneer in other ways. After WW1 the allies were shocked that Fokker had no idea of machine guns. The credit to the trigger gear goes to Lübbe, Heber and Leimberger.
french be like
"if you can't shoot trough it, Shoot it"
* puts armour on the propeler
Definitely enjoyed the video, sir.
Always love your videos, thanks!!! :D
I didnt know that Fokker was the European Eddison.
Really enjoying your ROF vids Bismarck. Btw, been watching your videos now since you began teaching me how to maneveur in War Thunder "HB's". Thinking I'll donate you some money soon so you can upgrade to a better rig. Keep up the good work brother.
Great channel, Bismarck! I am a Yuge fan!
Anthony Fokker , there was a story about him . He was in New York in about 1927 when he was mixed up .In what was said to be a murder , But I don't know anymore .
*It was at this moment when Bribe Guntails realized he should watch more of Bis' videos.*
@Military Aviation History >>> ONE of my FEW strong criticisms of the movie *WONDER WOMAN [from 2017]* is the depiction of Chris Pine's character stealing a _Fokker Eindecker_ early in the movie to escape the Germans.
As that part of the movie was set LATE in WWI, I would have expected him to steal a Fokker D.7, or maybe even a D.8. Eindeckers have been removed from frontline service long before then.
{ANOTHER criticism was the CGI at the end of the movie, which STARTED LOOKING LIKE CGI. Other than that I enjoyed it. Considering the movie was a DCEU film, that is saying something...😊}
I have been wondering how to correctly pronounce Oberursel for the longest time, now i know! yay!
Very nice video, really enjoyed it!
SEHR GUT bismark wie immer!
Saw a replica of this fly a few months ago, as well as a DVIII with original 1918 engine which runs on castor oil.
The engine is lubricated by a total loss castor oil system which works in a similar way to a 2 stroke engine lube system. It isn't fueled by castor oil.
newport had several chances to disengage after a diving turn, but i guess never heard that thing about the better part of valor.
Bis, are you feeling all right? So much effort put into a video all of sudden!
Ahhhhhhhh, after the video of you harassing that poor E1, this one is much better bis.
Slow and civilised fighting !
like this style of videos
Heh. Usually when I see that an enemy plane is totally crippled (like the guy losing his tail), I just let them be. Partly out of chivalrious behaviour of only shooting down the machines, not the men. But mostly to save even more ammo.
automatic like for video title. :)
Was the Sikorsky S-16 not the first aircraft with synchronisation gear to fire its forward-firing armament through the arc of its spinning propeller without bullets striking the blades?
I like how in ww1 the Germans used extensively a fighter with 1 wing less than a normal fighter at the time and used a fighter with 1 wing more.
And they were Botha fokker’s
I feel bad for Anthony. Getting his cheeks busted by the flying Dutchman.
Awesome video Bismarck! Have you ever considered flying IL 2 Cliffs of Dover? (With TF mods) I think it is the most immersive and complex WW2 simulator on the market. The community is very active, 60+ people on at peak hours. Anyways, great video! Here's out TS if you would like to fly with us. 216.52.148.29
+NatesCast I flew it quite often but currently the game doesn't work on my pc.
Ah man, would love to see you over the channel. We have a a good fourm you can post your technical issues there. But I presume you have already done that.
"Very active"
"60 people at peak"
Well, I don't think you used the term "Very active community" right.
Well, for a very small niche market 60 people for a very hardcore flight sim is alot of people. Everything is relative buddy.
Boelcke would be proud
Well done.
Hello guys, I have a problem considering the way graphics appear on this game...
I did set everything on high, 1920x1980 resolution, but the image still looks like an old PC game from 2005 inatead of what is depicted on this video (or any other videos I've seen about RoF).
Am I doing something wrong or there are mods to make the graphics look so...petfect!!
Nikolaos P What game is this anyway?
hey uh i have that game can you tell me how to fullscreen i tried F11 so can ya help
Anthony Fokker, the son of Moda Fokker
i assumed EVERYBODY knew Fokker was a Dutch scoundrel who stole other peoples' ideas. I mean, I'm bloody English and even I knew THAT! We English know a scoundrel when we see one. [and it's kind of ironic that the Germans starved Holland throughout WW2... of course, it was all Fokker's fault].
one of the few truly innovative and audacious German men during WW1 was Ludendorff. Bismarck spent most of his time posing for paintings or kissing babies at Galas. Bismarck was more a figurehead than a true Military thinker as he was well past his 'war winning' days and most truly important military decisions were made by Ludendorff [ok ok, so Bismarck had a lot to do with Tannenburg in 1914 but after that? he rode Ludendorff's coat tails]
{pulls tongue}
yes but thoses Fokkas were messerschmits
ausgezeichnet, herr lieutnant !!!
ì was so proud a dutch invanter actually did something that everyone knows now im not proiud anymore :/
ka why hab aber nie bemerkt das du "deutscher" bist oder das du deutsch sprichst ^_^
gutes video
I guess a rate o 520pm is better than 1000pm but losing 500 to deflection, It wasn't that many but still wasted shots with the deflector method.
I wish to get it in RoF but then there is not much use for it in the multiplay..
Nice video thou.
Almost 200 likes and no dislikes :)
I call him "Modder Fokker," you know why.
I call him 'Robber Fucker'. You all know why... the yellow riding pants!
That Nieuport was a moron. He should have reversed his turns on you, and you would have been screwed. The E-III rolls like a battleship. Just roll right, wait for the follow, then snap left and go into Immelman turn. No way the Fokker will be able to follow unless maybe he make a high jo-jo move by extending his right turn into an Immelman of his own and then barrelrols back in on you. Though the Fokker's roll is so bad I doubt he'd be able to complete that roll before the Nieuport is on him.
lol Antiquatated.
We saw what you did there…
I never knew there were no parachutes in WW1!
Actually parachutes were issued, but solely to airship crews. Aircraft pilots didn't have any.
Ah okay cool. Interesting stuff!
It is really sad tho...no parachutes. That's why i wouldn't want to fight in the first world war
In 1917 Fokker's dominated the air.
I'm not sure if you're actually saying fokker or fucker.. mostly sounds like fucker.
OMG TYPE "DO A BARREL ROLL" without quotes into Google and see what happens!!
Now then!! We'll have none of that filthy language here, you dirty Fokker.
Mandatory name change if emigrating to an English-speaking country. Especially if you're a mom..
kannst du mal ein war thunder video mit der p40 machen. bitte.....
+Manuel Weisshand WT ist seit 7 Monaten deinstalliert. Ausserdem habe ich schon einige WT P-40 videos
+Bismarck I'm proud of myself that i could understand this conversation lol. Dutch and German is so alike !
gestängesteuerung 4 th3 w1n
Franz Schneider!😎
☮💚🖖⚛🌍
Rotary ? Got my hopes up thinking its a Wankel like design.. *braps away sadly*
wow he is handsome unfortunate name though xD.
Lol
hey im early
+XO INSANITY I Gaming Channel dont make a joke
wasnt going too :p
XO INSANITY I Gaming Channel ty
The engine is not a rotary. It's a radial engine
Incorrect. Radials and rotaries are two different types of engines. In a radial, the pistons rotate the crankshaft (to which the propeller is attatched), and the crankcase is fixed to the airframe. In a rotary, the crankshaft is fixed relative to the airframe, and it is the crank_case_ (in addition to the cylinders themselves and, of course, the propeller) that rotates. In WW1, rotaries were used more commonly than radials, in part because the engine technology of the time was inferior, leading to lower RPMs and longer gaps between pistons' firing. These longer gaps could result in a jerky and rough-riding engine, but the heavy mass of the engine crankcase in a rotary acted as a giant flywheel, helping to alleviate these effects.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotary_engine
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radial_engine
Fake
How?