Oldest Tartans? What Did The OG Scottish Tartans Look Like?

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  • Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
  • We were asked what the original Highland tartans would have looked like. But of course we ended up rambling about old and ancient tartans in general. The basic answer is that if you want to create a 17th or 18th century kilt, you may do better using "ancient" color way tartans. However, it should be noted that this is NOT a panacea. People did have access to bright colors 'back in the day'. It was more an issue of how long a given color would stay fast before fading.
    * Many thanks to Peter Eslea MacDonald, Tartan Historian, for his image of naturally-dyed Stewart of Ardshiel. Learn more about this project at Scottishtartans.co.uk.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 30

  • @bcase5328
    @bcase5328 Рік тому +12

    Nature dyes for wool is a deep, deep rabbit-hole.
    Lichens also can produce dyes. Their dyes colors can vary. Lichen dye threads/yarns would have been used only as highlights or embroidery. Stable colored blues and purples that are bright and bold like royal blue or royal purple would have been rare and very expense.
    And there are the natural colors of wool. Early sheep had color. They have been increasingly replaced by white sheep because white wool takes dye to a more reliable final color.
    What was popular where is hard to find before 1600. Textiles get reused, discarded, rot, and have been thought unimportant until "recently".

  • @ralph3711
    @ralph3711 Рік тому +3

    You might be interested in a recent discovery of a quite complex and old piece of tartan found in a Glen Affric peat bog. They dated it to about 1500-1600. I couldn't share the link, because UA-cam deletes it. The tartan fits the description you made about the natural colours which were available back then.

    • @la_old_salt2241
      @la_old_salt2241 5 місяців тому +1

      I have a swatch of it in my had as we speak, gorgeous!

  • @williamcesar5801
    @williamcesar5801 Рік тому +1

    Hello, I'm from Brazil, my name is William César I really like kilts, I think they go with many types of clothes, I would like to see their use more publicized so that more people start using the kilt on a daily basis, the only thing I don't like is a tie, one piece which I deleted many years ago. A big hug to all of you.

  • @nathanrendelman
    @nathanrendelman Рік тому +6

    I bring you these ten commandments, and a tartan...

  • @itsapittie
    @itsapittie Рік тому +2

    Fabrics woven in a checkered pattern go back a very long way. IIRC, they have been found in some very old (5,000+ yo) burials in Siberia and China. One could guess that colors in a given region would be more-or-less the same because they would use the natural dyes found in the area. It's also not hard to imagine that people from a given region would tend to favor similar colors and patterns because humans like a group identity. And, of course, in the medieval and early modern periods, a given region of the highlands tended to be occupied mostly by people of a single clan. It's not hard to see the evolution of distinctive patterns associated with a clan, a military unit, or a city.

  • @skipfantry5059
    @skipfantry5059 3 місяці тому

    In addition to the available plants would be the available mordants - different chemicals added to stewed vegetation changed the nature of the color a plant yields. I helped my mom raise sheep, collect vegetation and combine the boiled-down dye baths with alum, copper sulfate, cream of tartar and others to great affect. Trade routes may have played a hand - I have no idea what types of chemistry was used if any, and what if any was native.

  • @horurbardal6490
    @horurbardal6490 Рік тому

    Appreciate the shoutout to Kzoo!

  • @AulayGrant
    @AulayGrant 8 днів тому

    The year 1524 ? 500 years in toxic bog would have been a challenge for the laboratories . How many took part in the testing for age, and how many for testing the dyes ?

  • @amazonfake9988
    @amazonfake9988 Рік тому

    I have fallen in love with your guys' videos' and I would love to know the history if the kilt in the 2 world wars, were they worn? were they useful or a hindrance? id love to know :)

  • @forrestcharnock3079
    @forrestcharnock3079 Рік тому

    Idea for research:
    What does wool dyed with woad (or nut dyes, or madder) actually look like? How about a color chart of early wool dyes?

  • @TheSVgregor
    @TheSVgregor Рік тому

    How does the Ulster tartan fit into your discussion?

  • @Albanach-je1nk
    @Albanach-je1nk Рік тому +1

    I think you will find the oldest "Tartan" was found in a toomb in Western China .

  • @skyjust828
    @skyjust828 Рік тому

    What about the heather? Isn't it purple? Was purple "outlawed" before king "long shanks"?

  • @davidcramb5793
    @davidcramb5793 Рік тому

    The Falkirk Tartan was a red/black check. It was found in a cay pot of Roman coins, though to have been buried by the legionaries before a battle.

    • @petermacdonald5332
      @petermacdonald5332 9 місяців тому

      There is absolutory no evidence of dyed colours in the Falkirk piece.

  • @benjaminwright8006
    @benjaminwright8006 Рік тому +2

    Thou shall be clannish

  • @jeremiahkindel9301
    @jeremiahkindel9301 Рік тому

    What about Greys, brown,and blacks. Since those would have been the colors of the sheep. From my understanding white sheep were something that was selectively breed. For the purpose of dying. I could be wrong though.

  • @scottclark5334
    @scottclark5334 Рік тому

    If my dads grans maiden name is macgregor then would that make me a macgregor? I still have no idea how this clan stuff works my surname is clark and my dads is miller so im confused please help

    • @ScottAndScarlettsDarkHumor
      @ScottAndScarlettsDarkHumor Рік тому

      It's not like it used to be. Back in the day, most swore loyalty to their local clan. However, today you can be a member of one clan or more than one. Today what has become of clans is that they are now known as clan societies. I am a member of two. So you are whatever clan you claim and or join. Clan society membership is cheap. I spend only 60 a year to help perpetuate scottish clan history. I, like you can claim more than one clan. Clan Gregor (MacGregor), Duncan, MacFarlane and MacAlister. Miller started as trade name and spans a good deal of Europe. Mine originates from Germany but you find them all over Britain as well, just no known relation to them. Scottish Millers are on the list for one of my clans, Clan MacFarlane. Clark is claimed by Clans Cameron and MacPherson. So do your thing, maybe some clan history research and if you want, claim a clan or more than one. Should you be interested if you are a Scottish Miller, look up the International Clan MacFarlane Society, it is recognized by the Lord Lyon and we have a community facebook page that is quite active. I hope that helps you.

    • @scottclark5334
      @scottclark5334 Рік тому +1

      @@ScottAndScarlettsDarkHumor aye cheers m8 it helps a load i was quite confused my it all as i knew they used to become apart of a clan by swearing loyalty with changing their name to macgregor or McFarlane or anyother clan name i think clan McGregor is the one ill go with i haven't done much research on it but since it was my great grans maiden name it seems better

    • @ScottAndScarlettsDarkHumor
      @ScottAndScarlettsDarkHumor Рік тому

      No problem. I think the name change was optional due to the sept lists for each clan. I descend from the Griggs family for example and thus am eligible for Clan MacGregor as Griggs is on the sept list. Today the sept list is also used to cover as many spelling variations of traditionally accepted surnames as possible.

    • @99oildrops
      @99oildrops Рік тому

      Traditionally, no. Still, don't let that stop you from wearing a MacGregor tartan. Both my dad's Grandmas had clan maiden names (MacKenzie and Ross.) I wear a MacKenzie scarf to honor that portion of my heritage even though my last name is not tied to a clan.

  • @pipsheppard6747
    @pipsheppard6747 Рік тому

    The first tartan was Shepherd. Abel was a shepherd and offered the first fruits of his flock while wearing his own tartan. Cain killed him him in jealousy because Abel wove the first tartan.

  • @woltews
    @woltews Рік тому

    Sheep come in black and white, what about that ?

  • @straycat1674
    @straycat1674 Рік тому +1

    No doubt tartan weave has been in existence since humans learn to do weaving and dying of cloth of any type.

  • @witchdoc5075
    @witchdoc5075 Рік тому

    You sure Moses didn't say that? Pretty sure that that phrase was specifically on the tablet that broke...