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In football, the "plays" can be relatively obvious to make out. But in BBall, it's much harder for a typical fan to appreciate how much strategy and organization goes into running efficient, on-court plays.
Ben Charlton yeah so 1000 bucks says this guy ain’t a football player cause you have to have the worst football IQ too think you can “obviously” make out football plays
I think everybody’s missing the point. In football yes there are millions of “reads” and you can change the play beforehand but once the play is snapped, what happens is gonna happen. In basketball the plays/sets give you a foundation with several progressions and possibilities. Apples to oranges
@@jwinston1995 I guess I agree but that isn't what the dude was saying. He was saying how strategy and organization is much more complex than football. That is the most incorrect statement ever.
@@matiangk171 congrats bro my team just won state championship this is the first time we won it every since 2016 our defense was great and our overall record was 21-1 we went on a 16 game win streak
tronskee32 you force dodgers down the sides because the further you go down the side the worse the shot angle is. The way in which the backside defenders hedge and switch in Baylor’s defense is similar to this
As a newbie on the game of basketball and a first time player. This is what I do on defense. I always force them to the baseline or to where my teammate was. But my teammates always blames me for asking help defense. Then as I watched this video. All I have is happiness knowing that I did something right from the start and someone appreciates it. 💯
Well in man to man defense it's not good to let the ball get pass you & call for help. It leaves someone open for an easy bucket. Try to communicate with your teammates that you prefer zone defense and maybe they won't give you a hard time. Communication is key on Defense
It all depends on the scheme. Baylor practices this way. All 5 players on the court know exactly what to do in that situation. In a classic man to man or a pressure man, you would defend in different ways than this. Indiana used to play a legendary man to man defense where everyone was expected to play straight up, no help, ever. You can't freelance on defense and do something if that's not how it's schemed. You'll mess your whole team up. But I like to play this way. It lets your defense be aggressive and dictate the play rather than react.
I really like how you don’t leave out the few negatives to this defense. Shows everyone watching that you’re honest and gives you a real good look at the Baylor defense.
Davion Mitchell is arguably the best perimeter defender in the country and vital is a rodman esque player on this team they're the 2 keys to this elite defense
@@brandoncr1294 first of all no they shouldn't have lol they outplayed osu and second of all unlike every other team in the NCAA (except sdsu and gonzaga who are playing MUCH easier schedules btw) they keep winning. Aren't losing any trap games. That's VERY rare.
@@jeremyjones290 I mean Baylor is forcing players at Freddie Gillespie and Mark vital, who are both elite athletes and rim protectors. And that's if the offense beats all the elite defensive guards off the dribble. Very hard to beat at the college level.
My high school coach has been running this since before 1990. He won a state ship doing it. Back then people thought he was running a zone because the amount of help defense baseline, and the amount of switching on the baseline drives and the scrambles
Thank you for this video. I'm a Baylor fan and I've noticed the switches but I don't know the game enough to know why we're getting the results that we are. You taught it in a way that someone who doesn't know much about basketball could get the basics.
Jeremy Jones bruh how many times you gonna say this lmao. All coaches teach force baseline and force to the corners. Baylor’s is a disciplined team effort
@@jwinston1995 You may think that, but I literally left a college team in part because the coach wanted us to force middle. He would ream out players who allowed baseline. He also couldn't understand why teams would make 3s at a high clip when we played zone. So not every coach knows this stuff, no matter how simple it seems.
marvinstheman88 you’re supposed to force baseline then close off the drive. Are you saying he was against that too? That’s weird and i retract my statement. Didnt mean to speak in absolutes
Thank you so much!!! one of the best examples of good defense on UA-cam!!! We need more like this to show the kids. I also love the words giving a description of the defensive action!! Thank you.
We run this same defense at my highschool , only difference is that on ball screens we force them to use the screen and the guy defending the screener will hedge out to make them dribble out of the attack and set the “no middle” concept back up. It’s worked really well all season.
First time watching one of your videos. I’m a big fan of channels like Brett Kollmann for football analysis, yet I’m probably a bigger fan of the NBA overall. It’s hard to find channels that visually breakdown basketball schematics in an understandable, engaging way. The little graphics you add like the arrows and the role assignments as the play happens really shows the team’s overall goal AND their instincts. The seamless way it blends with your commentary adds another level and goes a long way for me. Great work and great video.
Jordan, I’m from Minnesota, and have been around Carleton basketball my entire life, which is where Fred played his first two years of college basketball. To see him have his own segment on your channel is mind blowing. I’m sure you’ve heard his story but if you want to know more feel free to let me know and I’d be glad to tell you.
This is Tom Thibedou defense, he been doing this style in the nba since 2008 as an assistant coach to Doc Rivers with the Celtics. This type of D also made the bulls a top defensive team as the #1 seed in 2011
I just played till high school in Puerto Rico and this is the way we have always defended. Don’t give up the middle and always give the help. Best way to defend at any level of basketball.
mdhcccc i watched an interview recently with coach fizdale & he discussed the defense of the Heat dynasty. he mentioned it as an elite trapping defense in which iso players would get swarmed. as a result, passing teams could be stifled unless they were laser accurate and that was why the Mavs won in 2011.
I wonder if teams will start attacking the switches in different ways. Like, from what I can tell, they switch based on who goes to which side, so would just having the guy who set the pick, roll into the hole behind the defender who switched and in front of the guy who was looking to the other side and now out of reach on making a play
I'm thinking a defensive scheme or better to just call it a norm, where you send your attacker to his weak hand every time, regardless if it's middle or baseline... How would that look and would it work?
Defense switched from zone to man when they hired Grant McCasland who coaches hard nosed man as good as anyone, they hired him from midwestern a d2 and he’s now at North Texas, but when they got him is when they transformed defensively
A flaw to this defense is the amount of effort of the individual required to play this at a high level. Will this kind of intensity night in and night out sustain in the tournament or will players be too gassed. We’ll see in March
Pass the ball it always moves faster than the defense. Not enough teams have smart veteran players in college anymore tho so you can see why this defense is highly successful
Bro........ Every man-to-man defenses' first priority is forcing the ball handler to the sideline and baseline. The sideline and baseline is an extra defender... When you get the ball to the middle, a man to man defense breaks down. Why? Because every time you can reverse the ball opposite, you can break down the defense... This isn't anything new.
Pack line defenses like Virginia, Louisville, and Arizona all influence (or in some cases even force) the ball to the middle. Pack line help comes from players one pass away from players in the gap. No-middle defenses are different because their help comes from the "low man" on the weakside. Here's video of what a man-to-man defense looks like that forces middle: twitter.com/hoopvision68/status/1202239820774486018
hoopvision68 Good points. I was thinking you were meaning that this is the first teams to ever play man to man like they do. I’m a WVU fan, but Baylor easily has the best half court defense in the country this year. They can force sideline and baseline so well because of their quickness.
Everybody eats B ...... you realize all them nigga were college and not averaging 30 right? Or were you saying take them at age 28 and put them back in college with that talent level..
great vid. i love this swarming defense... but imo this has kinda ruined march madness becouse TT, baylor, sarycuse etc. get on these insane defense runs and smother the NCAA super teams. so you done get these classic march madness moments. or the ones we get involve lesser knows guys. cuz the “ stars” get shut down. any who. thx for the vid.
THIS IS MORE LIKE BAD OFFENCE...it has nothing to do with DEFENCE. MOST misses i saw here was because the player with the ball can pass and has no basic fundamentals. And the other misses are open shoots, thats the problem with players that can only shoot from 3.
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Thanks for watching! More information on Baylor's defense in this post from our Hoop Vision Weekly newsletter here: hoopvision.substack.com/p/hv-weekly-defensive-juggernauts-272020
In football, the "plays" can be relatively obvious to make out. But in BBall, it's much harder for a typical fan to appreciate how much strategy and organization goes into running efficient, on-court plays.
Ben Charlton yeah so 1000 bucks says this guy ain’t a football player cause you have to have the worst football IQ too think you can “obviously” make out football plays
Chadwick Baldwin if he can read receivers routes before they even run them this man should be an NFL coach. It’s not easy lmao
Ben Charlton bruh. Football is 10x more complex than basketball.
I think everybody’s missing the point. In football yes there are millions of “reads” and you can change the play beforehand but once the play is snapped, what happens is gonna happen. In basketball the plays/sets give you a foundation with several progressions and possibilities. Apples to oranges
@@jwinston1995 I guess I agree but that isn't what the dude was saying. He was saying how strategy and organization is much more complex than football. That is the most incorrect statement ever.
My high school team runs this, it’s based on instinct once a man gets beat essentially and is honestly fun to run, especially scramble.
Cole C my high school varsity team runs this and we’ve won three straight state championships
Matiang K cool! What state are you in, my team might have played you guys
My high school team runs this too and it’s got us ranked 2nd in the state
My team runs this, we haven't won a game in 3 seasons
@@matiangk171 congrats bro my team just won state championship this is the first time we won it every since 2016 our defense was great and our overall record was 21-1 we went on a 16 game win streak
This actually just like modern lacrosse defense. Very interesting
Will Hays how so? Idk shit about lacrosse but I’m intrigued by your thought
Same.
tronskee32 you force dodgers down the sides because the further you go down the side the worse the shot angle is. The way in which the backside defenders hedge and switch in Baylor’s defense is similar to this
thank you for the insight interesting
Father thanks bro. I actually looked it up myself too. I’m black & from Chicago so isn’t really a thing for me. I fucks with it
As a newbie on the game of basketball and a first time player. This is what I do on defense. I always force them to the baseline or to where my teammate was. But my teammates always blames me for asking help defense. Then as I watched this video. All I have is happiness knowing that I did something right from the start and someone appreciates it. 💯
Defense is always team effort, good approach
Well in man to man defense it's not good to let the ball get pass you & call for help. It leaves someone open for an easy bucket. Try to communicate with your teammates that you prefer zone defense and maybe they won't give you a hard time.
Communication is key on Defense
It all depends on the scheme. Baylor practices this way. All 5 players on the court know exactly what to do in that situation. In a classic man to man or a pressure man, you would defend in different ways than this. Indiana used to play a legendary man to man defense where everyone was expected to play straight up, no help, ever. You can't freelance on defense and do something if that's not how it's schemed. You'll mess your whole team up. But I like to play this way. It lets your defense be aggressive and dictate the play rather than react.
This is a strong defense against “inside-out” offenses, but a high-assist 3-point shooting team will eat this up.
Seems great for highschool college but not pros where anyone can hit a open catch shoot.
Vagary closest thing to that would be Villanova who they already beat or maybe Dayton
BYU top 3 in nation in apg and 3p%
The warriors use this defense a lot
@@Gvvenk Warriors are doing great this year
I really like how you don’t leave out the few negatives to this defense. Shows everyone watching that you’re honest and gives you a real good look at the Baylor defense.
Davion Mitchell is arguably the best perimeter defender in the country and vital is a rodman esque player on this team they're the 2 keys to this elite defense
JC2K they almost lost to OSU, and should have, big oof.
@@brandoncr1294 first of all no they shouldn't have lol they outplayed osu and second of all unlike every other team in the NCAA (except sdsu and gonzaga who are playing MUCH easier schedules btw) they keep winning. Aren't losing any trap games. That's VERY rare.
@@jeremyjones290 I mean Baylor is forcing players at Freddie Gillespie and Mark vital, who are both elite athletes and rim protectors. And that's if the offense beats all the elite defensive guards off the dribble. Very hard to beat at the college level.
so fun to play defense like this as a team. anticipating passes the whole time
True! This makes you actually want to play defense
Once Beard created the best defense in college hoops everyone started implementing him and coach Adam's defensive philosophy. Chris Beard is the Meta.
I’ve been doing this for years and every coach in the country have watched my teams do it. Croin from Cincinnati is another one
He got the ideas from the nba but ok
@@each1teach1academy43 he doesnt even coach at cincy anymore.....hes at ucla
jibbo123 I know where he is
My high school coach has been running this since before 1990. He won a state ship doing it. Back then people thought he was running a zone because the amount of help defense baseline, and the amount of switching on the baseline drives and the scrambles
Thank you for this video. I'm a Baylor fan and I've noticed the switches but I don't know the game enough to know why we're getting the results that we are. You taught it in a way that someone who doesn't know much about basketball could get the basics.
I don’t know why more college teams don’t force baseline. that’s all I did in high school
I think it’s personnel driven! If you don’t have athletic kids that don’t contest well i personally won’t tell my kids to force baseline!
In This Offensive, Stat Driven Era You Really Do Not Know How Much I Appreciate This Video
I appreciate defense actually being played !!!
Jeremy Jones bruh how many times you gonna say this lmao. All coaches teach force baseline and force to the corners. Baylor’s is a disciplined team effort
@@jwinston1995 You may think that, but I literally left a college team in part because the coach wanted us to force middle. He would ream out players who allowed baseline. He also couldn't understand why teams would make 3s at a high clip when we played zone. So not every coach knows this stuff, no matter how simple it seems.
marvinstheman88 you’re supposed to force baseline then close off the drive. Are you saying he was against that too? That’s weird and i retract my statement. Didnt mean to speak in absolutes
Finally BU getting some recognition 👏🏻
They’re literally #1 what the fuck you mean finally getting recognition
its like their first year using this defense and they're #1wtf u talking about
Buddy if your a BU fan, try going to one of their games. Wack ass fans can’t even sell out their piss poor arena.
WarriorFL you realize the past 4 weeks games have been sold out right?
Motharussa so your implying that baylor basketball only has a chance to sell out their arena if they’re number 1 in the country
Thank you so much!!! one of the best examples of good defense on UA-cam!!! We need more like this to show the kids. I also love the words giving a description of the defensive action!! Thank you.
We run this same defense at my highschool , only difference is that on ball screens we force them to use the screen and the guy defending the screener will hedge out to make them dribble out of the attack and set the “no middle” concept back up. It’s worked really well all season.
I was at their game this saturday and they are something special
First time watching one of your videos. I’m a big fan of channels like Brett Kollmann for football analysis, yet I’m probably a bigger fan of the NBA overall. It’s hard to find channels that visually breakdown basketball schematics in an understandable, engaging way. The little graphics you add like the arrows and the role assignments as the play happens really shows the team’s overall goal AND their instincts. The seamless way it blends with your commentary adds another level and goes a long way for me. Great work and great video.
Jordan, I’m from Minnesota, and have been around Carleton basketball my entire life, which is where Fred played his first two years of college basketball. To see him have his own segment on your channel is mind blowing. I’m sure you’ve heard his story but if you want to know more feel free to let me know and I’d be glad to tell you.
Just starting watching this channel. Great content! Everything is very insightful.
This is how my high school coach made us play this year
This is Tom Thibedou defense, he been doing this style in the nba since 2008 as an assistant coach to Doc Rivers with the Celtics. This type of D also made the bulls a top defensive team as the #1 seed in 2011
Love it! Please break down SDSU’s help man D next
I just played till high school in Puerto Rico and this is the way we have always defended. Don’t give up the middle and always give the help. Best way to defend at any level of basketball.
Went to elementary school with Freddie Gillespie, that man is special Baylor is lucky to have him
Lol this how I play my teams defence, here I thought I was the only one doing it. I'm glad to see this vid to give me confidence in what I'm teaching.
Dang I thought I was alone doing this on 2k.. putting in my applications into college basketball coaching
That transition at 1:19 thought my phone was dying. Great Vid though.
am i dumb or is this like the Heat defense from 2011-2014
How the hell did u recognize that
mdhcccc facts
mdhcccc i watched an interview recently with coach fizdale & he discussed the defense of the Heat dynasty. he mentioned it as an elite trapping defense in which iso players would get swarmed. as a result, passing teams could be stifled unless they were laser accurate and that was why the Mavs won in 2011.
Was finna say the same exact thing I just got done watching that fizdale interview too. More nba teams should run this defense tbh
Ik couldn’t be the only one
Gonna be waiting one for SDSU. They also been unbelievable on defense.
Strong-side Zone. The most popular NBA defense over the last decade or so.
Can't wait for the SDSU breakdown!
Watching this as a 2021 victory lap 😌
Hello.
Does this channel have a video of Texas Tech's version of the No Middle Defense?
DAMN THIS IS WHAT THEY TAUGHT ME IN ELEMNTARY BASKETBALL ITS CRAZY!!! dont let them drive in the middle
Who cares
@@corysimmons455 you do since you replied
It's golden rule in soccer defense (in basically any level of the game). Both sports have a lot to learn from each other I believe
Ice picking rolls should only be used when a big is involved all guards/forwards should switch and run to the gap
I wonder if teams will start attacking the switches in different ways. Like, from what I can tell, they switch based on who goes to which side, so would just having the guy who set the pick, roll into the hole behind the defender who switched and in front of the guy who was looking to the other side and now out of reach on making a play
I kept thinking the help caption was the player with ball crying for help because he was locked down
Great vid
Great video! Very informative, but for this length mix up the music! the track is fine but gets very repetitive after 3-5 minutes.
I'm thinking a defensive scheme or better to just call it a norm, where you send your attacker to his weak hand every time, regardless if it's middle or baseline... How would that look and would it work?
This is just great man to man defense
Just like any zone it has soft spots. But can only be beat with the right placement and ball movement.
Everybody has been #1 this year. Won’t be no perfect bracket this year thats for sure.
zonex productions true but anybody can win this year even those small mid major schools imo.
YourPlug there won’t ever be one dawg lmao
Please breakdown the Abilene Christian University defense.
Number 1 in the country that is absolutely impressive 👏. Yes. Go Baylor 😊. God bless 🙏
my high school has been doing this defense for 20 years
Defense switched from zone to man when they hired Grant McCasland who coaches hard nosed man as good as anyone, they hired him from midwestern a d2 and he’s now at North Texas, but when they got him is when they transformed defensively
I never understood why coaches were/are against switching defensively?
A flaw to this defense is the amount of effort of the individual required to play this at a high level. Will this kind of intensity night in and night out sustain in the tournament or will players be too gassed. We’ll see in March
Someone's just going to get hot against them come tourney time. Happens almost every year. Respect the concept though.
🥶
yo can you do Leonard Hamilton Defense
Stopping the middle is very essential regardless of what kind of defense you do. Prevents the middle man to be a triple threat on offense.
davion mitchell got fastbreak stopper on platinum 😂
baylor vs dayton would be an awesome match
The nba players don’t even seem to know that defense can be taken to these high levels
Excellent job. Sic 'em bears!
Could you cover SDSU?
How do you explain VIRGINIA'S force middle defense that is insanely good?
Either no middle or all middle, either can work
Baylor has always recruited big, long, athletic guys. Being better on defense should've been a given.
oh cryer comin next year baylor gon be cold next season too ✊🏽
been playing like this in 2k for years
How you do it
I think teams should always switch constantly and proactively
Go bu go bu go bu....
🤚🤚 sic em
Pass the ball it always moves faster than the defense. Not enough teams have smart veteran players in college anymore tho so you can see why this defense is highly successful
If a team gets hot beyond the ark they will be in trouble but this is a good strategy to force harder shots
Benjamin Jones that’s any zone 🤷♂️
Who’s here after Baylor won the national championship?
Breakdown San Diego State!
01:46 Basics of the system
Shell principle nothing out of the ordinary but they swarm
This is what my middle school team does our coach is an ex nba player and he went to Louisville
this aint no zone... this is just proper man defense , this is how defense should look period .
In soccer there is actually something like this. Force the other team to one side and then just attack and hope for a mistake
bro good vid, but u need to coach my man
Mitchell is on the kings and I swear the kings coaches don’t even know that strategy and switching etc exists
Here after Baylor just won the natty✋🏼
Toronto Raptor vibes on this defense
Bro........ Every man-to-man defenses' first priority is forcing the ball handler to the sideline and baseline. The sideline and baseline is an extra defender... When you get the ball to the middle, a man to man defense breaks down. Why? Because every time you can reverse the ball opposite, you can break down the defense... This isn't anything new.
Pack line defenses like Virginia, Louisville, and Arizona all influence (or in some cases even force) the ball to the middle. Pack line help comes from players one pass away from players in the gap. No-middle defenses are different because their help comes from the "low man" on the weakside. Here's video of what a man-to-man defense looks like that forces middle: twitter.com/hoopvision68/status/1202239820774486018
hoopvision68 Good points. I was thinking you were meaning that this is the first teams to ever play man to man like they do. I’m a WVU fan, but Baylor easily has the best half court defense in the country this year. They can force sideline and baseline so well because of their quickness.
Dope
Who the offense on this team. Who their best scorer
jakobebryant27 offense is 25th in kenpom, 20th on barttorvik. Offense is led by upperclassman guards, Jared Butler and Freddie Gillespie
Imagie harden if he was still in college he would avg 68 points a night
DEVIN BOOKER u put any NBA player in college and they’ll average 30 that’s why there in the Nba.
Everybody eats B He’ll avg 68 points “yeah every player in the nba would avg 30”
Everybody eats B ...... you realize all them nigga were college and not averaging 30 right? Or were you saying take them at age 28 and put them back in college with that talent level..
@@everybodyeatsb1103 Harden is currently averaging 35 in the NBA.
Texas tech gots a tread running now with no middle defence😂
great vid. i love this swarming defense... but imo this has kinda ruined march madness becouse TT, baylor, sarycuse etc. get on these insane defense runs and smother the NCAA super teams. so you done get these classic march madness moments. or the ones we get involve lesser knows guys. cuz the “ stars” get shut down. any who. thx for the vid.
TELEthruVOXx makes march madness better in my opinion
THIS IS MORE LIKE BAD OFFENCE...it has nothing to do with DEFENCE.
MOST misses i saw here was because the player with the ball can pass and has no basic fundamentals.
And the other misses are open shoots, thats the problem with players that can only shoot from 3.
I force baseline in 2k and it’s op wit lakers
I don’t think the kings even know what these concepts are
Guarantee they get upset early in the tourney, Baylor never shows up in March
This is basic help defense, you force your defender baseline and if they get to the baseline its either a trap or a help
Tf is pop, ice and drop?
Explanation??
Why are you tryna sound like B-BALL breakdown
Looks like the raptors defence
Aka the funnel down defense
They better defend the middle against WV.
Wouldn't happen in the ACC.
Who’s hr bc of coach John?
FSU defense?
Ricardo pm cu leba pão na bolso??😅😂😂
So they basically are copying tech’s defense?
slaveforaudio622 improving on it
Jacob Loving nah