I watched these videos, starting with a locally made video from Dubuque, Iowa. The house I'm buying is in the Green Alley area. That means the alley will eventually be reconstructed with the permeable system. I think the cost is necessary, and I just got a feeling that this is where its heading everywhere. If I owned a paving co, I'd get my money into this.
Lol, you can't just dump a layer. Fines are important for compaction. The purpose of fines is to reduce settlement. Your top layer will experience fine transport over time and your entire surface layer will drop. The design life of pavement will be considerably less. I understand you want to encourage ground water recharge, so how about you pick strips in the car park in which vehicles are not to run on. Slope you asphalt to these points and utilize your technology there. A good area is between back to back parking, use the concrete parking berm to protect the strip from traffic. You can have several strips of these, encourage the ground water recharge and get the design life. Also one should take into consideration scheduled cleaning of the surface course. Overtime, fines will clog anything
all looks great, I am just wondering, in the event of a motor vehicle accident or accidental spill of what ever oil, pest-o -side how do you stop it running through and off into the ground and eventually the drains, as it is now not possible to dam the run off at the drain grate, as most car parks generally have oil patches where cars park and they usually are easily seen, dose this waste oil stain the porous asphalt or just soak through to the sub-straight leaving no visibly trace?
But no one is now going around and cleaning the spots of oil. The oil is being rained on, and carrying into the waterways. At least porous asphalt slows its pace.
This actually makes it easier to clean and contain the spill. You hook a hose up to the outlet they installed, then flush the entire thing with lots of liquid until the outlet is coming out clean.
People keep bitching about oil spills getting into the water system. Did anyone notice the shut off valve from the rock bed to the drain pipe, they installed 1. So this is a better actually method in preventing spills from spreading into the water system.
Interesting. Thanks for helping me get a better understanding of this. Some folks are apparently very much against the material, citing a litany of claims, but it's use is recommended and indeed sometimes required by NJDEP for sites that create large amounts of impervious areas. Could you guys elaborate a bit on appropriate locations for the material as well as recommended maintenance activities to ensure full life expectancy? My understanding is that locations seeing light traffic and minimal turning movements are ideal (i.e. satellite parking lots) and that vacuum truck cleaning is preferred over just basic sweeping. Can you confirm? Thanks!
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the whole point of permeable pavements asphalt or other to keep runoff out of the storm drains? To reduce runoff by infiltrating water rather than letting it pollute the watershed? This video appeared to just use it to hit the drain faster.
It has several purposes: No water on the road. (Aquaplaning, better visibility) More water can penetrate into the soil underneath. Thus less water in the drainage system. Less water at once into drainage, it stores it. Less noise from trucks and cars. Every highway in the Netherlands has a surface of ZOAB (Zeer Open Asfalt Beton) Very Open Asphalt Concrete.
Commissar0617 I Live in The Netherlands and have been driving on it for over 10 years. In winters you do see more wear and tear of the roads, mostly caused by trucks. Typically it is quickly repaired. It is completely worth it as the visibility on the highways is so much better.
never stop fighting, LMAO, moving water doesn't freeze. I live in Iowa and the Mississippi river freezes every year. When water freezes it will expand in every direction by 10 percent its liquid mass. It would depend on how porous this new asphalt is. But then again in the northern states where we live the ice will just build up and it will destroy this material. Guess that's why it isn't really being used. I would have to say in the southern states this would cause the storm sewers to overflow more quickly because the water seeps into the material at a rapid rate not allowing the sun to evaporate it as much as it would normally. I guess to be sure about this one would have to do a study on this material and I for one do not think its worth the effort!
This is not new. I live in the Netherlands and the first with ZOAB (porous asphalt) test where done in 1972. And from 1980 and up it is used for all new highways. Nowadays 90% of all highway are porous asphalt in the Netherlands. It has also the benefit that it reduces tire noise.
As long as the water has room to expand (it's porous), it shouldn't crack or damage anything seriously. Try putting water in a 20oz pop bottle, don't put a cap on it then freeze it and watch what happens.
Dear Gray & Son/ Maryland Paving, Inc.: Barranquilla, Colombia, and an endless problem with floods caused by rainfall (which has claimed now hundreds of lives and millions in property damage) is in *desperate* need of a material like this. Please, just check the videos on UA-cam to have an idea of the magnitude of the issue. Please, consider it.
Great invention. Shall we use in India in high flooded area's Can you please help us?? I'm 4th year civil engineering student Sir I need detail information of design of this roads , materials , and drainage layout For my 4th year project work for this topic Thank you...
@@lionelhuts875 oh, so even when applying this in, for example, a house' driveway, it's still connected to the sewer system. Thanks, that was a helpful info.
@@sausageman4086 as water flows through, some water molecules will stay on the surface inside, and when it freezes, they expand and potentially cause cracks
@@cks2020693 the water flows through the asphalt, in from the top out from the bottom. Any leftover molecules would be to few to cause serious damage to the pavement.
@Andy As long as the water has room to expand (it's porous), it shouldn't crack or damage anything seriously. Try putting water in a 20oz pop bottle, don't put a cap on it then freeze it and watch what happens.
Seems to me that this type of asphalt would last longer. Regular asphalt only lasts 15 to 20 years in part because of standing water. If this allows the water to move through and out, that process should allow the asphalt to dry faster and last longer.
Rubberized asphalt, at least here in Arizona wears out kind of weird. It seems to last quite a long time on freeways but won't last more than a couple of years on surface streets, especially where the roads have a lot of turning traffic like driveways and intersections.
Wrong!! Tested by the University of New Hampshire for exactly what you are talking about and it reduced the need for deicing agents by up to 75%. The water goes down into the rock bed and does not affect the pavement. It has been used at a park in Massachusetts since 1977. See this link: www.millermicro.com/porpave.html. Walden Pond State Reservation One good porous pavement installation was installed by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts at Walden Pond as a demonstration project in 1977. Twenty years later, a long time for one paving job on that busy parking lot, it still looks good and works well. Federal Highway and Waterway Administration link: www.fhwa.dot.gov/pavement/pub_details.cfm?id=948
As long as the water has room to expand (it's porous), it shouldn't crack or damage anything seriously. Try putting water in a 20oz pop bottle, don't put a cap on it then freeze it and watch what happens.
PERLI JESSI Well it gives more visibility, which leads to fewer accidents, which leads to fewer repairs required and hospital costs. Also less accidents means less traffic jams or you spend less time in traffic jams. Time is money, certainly for trucks on the road. The calculation should go a little deeper than the pure costs of this road surface but also on the value it could bring.
PERLI JESSI Well it gives more visibility, which leads to fewer accidents, which leads to fewer repairs required and hospital costs. Also less accidents means less traffic jams or you spend less time in traffic jams. Time is money, certainly for trucks on the road. The calculation should go a little deeper than the pure costs of this road surface but also on the value it could bring.
Manolo Fernandez Had it for over 10 years. You should drive from Belgium to The Netherlands in heavy rain with a lot of Trucks. You go from very low visibility in Belgium to normal visibility when you cross the border. More visibility = less accidents in my book.
not feelin' it! expensive! will carry toxicities from vehicles or mismanagements into ground waters with NO CHANCE of intervening or hitting spills off at the pass through barrier attempts! Also poses infrastructure hardships. those layers would be harder to work around and would require MUCH MORE EFFORTS AND MONIES to install piping for utility/cablings or any other often future upgradings to infrastructure. I DONT THINK IT IS A WELL THOUGHT OUT PLAN/MEDIUM!
Those toxicities are going to the same place with or without this technology. It would be easier to install piping for utilities/cablings because the actual paved area is thinner and would be an easier patch. It's very well thought out.
So if want a large commercial lot your looking at spending more then buildings! So where does the earth you dug out go? Another cost! Me thinks this is BS
I'd prefer if my tax money gets spent on standard asphalt and catchbasins with normal drainage, because those can be maintained and repaired. From what I've seen porous pavement just gets clogged with silt and moss and also the free-thaw cycles just blow it out.
It is more expensive but worth it. It's been used here in the Netherlands for a long time. The quality of the roads/road surface is far superior to the US (safer too). Clogs do happen but regular street cleaning is effective.
Freeze thaw cycles are fine. It's a porous material. The reason freeze-thaw damages things like concrete and cement when they get cracks is because more water builds up in there than escape, so as it freezes it expands and breaks. Porous most of, if not all of the water drains out of the cement/concrete. What doesn't isn't substantial enough to build up enough pressure to cause breaks.
Looks great for the tropics regions
GENIUS!! We need that here in Washington, always flooded streets in the rainy season
Wait until it gets to -10C
That's the best video I've ever seen from start to finish. Very cool.
I watched these videos, starting with a locally made video from Dubuque, Iowa. The house I'm buying is in the Green Alley area. That means the alley will eventually be reconstructed with the permeable system. I think the cost is necessary, and I just got a feeling that this is where its heading everywhere. If I owned a paving co, I'd get my money into this.
Lol, you can't just dump a layer. Fines are important for compaction. The purpose of fines is to reduce settlement. Your top layer will experience fine transport over time and your entire surface layer will drop. The design life of pavement will be considerably less. I understand you want to encourage ground water recharge, so how about you pick strips in the car park in which vehicles are not to run on. Slope you asphalt to these points and utilize your technology there. A good area is between back to back parking, use the concrete parking berm to protect the strip from traffic. You can have several strips of these, encourage the ground water recharge and get the design life. Also one should take into consideration scheduled cleaning of the surface course. Overtime, fines will clog anything
Nice... But wat does cleaning mean? Clean the pipes or the road itself??
all looks great, I am just wondering, in the event of a motor vehicle accident or accidental spill of what ever oil, pest-o -side how do you stop it running through and off into the ground and eventually the drains, as it is now not possible to dam the run off at the drain grate, as most car parks generally have oil patches where cars park and they usually are easily seen, dose this waste oil stain the porous asphalt or just soak through to the sub-straight leaving no visibly trace?
Mark Thornton I think that is what the valve is for that they installed at the beginning of the video.
But even so even if it was mud wouldn't mud also absord the oil... And stuff
But no one is now going around and cleaning the spots of oil. The oil is being rained on, and carrying into the waterways. At least porous asphalt slows its pace.
This actually makes it easier to clean and contain the spill. You hook a hose up to the outlet they installed, then flush the entire thing with lots of liquid until the outlet is coming out clean.
I know they use this everywhere in the Holland.
What happens to porous asphalt in the winter when freezing rain and snow get inside it?
Cracks get develop and may destroy it road or pavement
Deep Private but that wouldn't be a problem in tropical areas where higher amounts of rain are common
@@ActuallyRocatex but he was talking about snow which isnt a case in tropical areas !!!
@@privatedeep6917 For colder ares where snow is common, porous asphalt may be not the best choice :) idk
@@berkayyurtseven4499 yes u r right sir
Wow, what a invention
We had this on every Italian highway for decades
Combing this with a heated driveway system seems like the perfect driveway. (If it's possible.)
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Very cool!
How does it hold up to snow plowing?
People keep bitching about oil spills getting into the water system. Did anyone notice the shut off valve from the rock bed to the drain pipe, they installed 1. So this is a better actually method in preventing spills from spreading into the water system.
Ocean City, MD - Inlet, parking lots, sidewalks.. etc..
Un gran invento!
Como posso efetuar esse projeto do asfalto ipermeável em cidade Brasileira. Como tenho acesso ao projeto completo e qual o custo beneficio?
Interesting. Thanks for helping me get a better understanding of this. Some folks are apparently very much against the material, citing a litany of claims, but it's use is recommended and indeed sometimes required by NJDEP for sites that create large amounts of impervious areas.
Could you guys elaborate a bit on appropriate locations for the material as well as recommended maintenance activities to ensure full life expectancy? My understanding is that locations seeing light traffic and minimal turning movements are ideal (i.e. satellite parking lots) and that vacuum truck cleaning is preferred over just basic sweeping. Can you confirm?
Thanks!
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ok this is a cool idea and all but what happens when it freezes?
+Austin Foster you can't use it in places where temp goes below 0*C.
@@SickPrid3 Not true, see The Netherlands
Heating system
what is the mix design for porous asphalt..
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the whole point of permeable pavements asphalt or other to keep runoff out of the storm drains? To reduce runoff by infiltrating water rather than letting it pollute the watershed?
This video appeared to just use it to hit the drain faster.
No, you’re correct that’s more or less what it was intended for.
It has several purposes:
No water on the road. (Aquaplaning, better visibility)
More water can penetrate into the soil underneath.
Thus less water in the drainage system.
Less water at once into drainage, it stores it.
Less noise from trucks and cars.
Every highway in the Netherlands has a surface of ZOAB (Zeer Open Asfalt Beton) Very Open Asphalt Concrete.
How long has this porous asphalt
What are materials and ingredients are required for above pavement
how does this work with the freeze/thaw of winter?
The water just drains through it. No surface ice.
Boda Edits
exactly. the water will freeze inside of it. i also think you don't realize the myriad ways that ice tends to form on roadways
moving water will not freeze and with the right sub base there will be no problems.
Commissar0617
I Live in The Netherlands and have been driving on it for over 10 years. In winters you do see more wear and tear of the roads, mostly caused by trucks. Typically it is quickly repaired. It is completely worth it as the visibility on the highways is so much better.
never stop fighting, LMAO, moving water doesn't freeze. I live in Iowa and the Mississippi river freezes every year. When water freezes it will expand in every direction by 10 percent its liquid mass. It would depend on how porous this new asphalt is. But then again in the northern states where we live the ice will just build up and it will destroy this material. Guess that's why it isn't really being used. I would have to say in the southern states this would cause the storm sewers to overflow more quickly because the water seeps into the material at a rapid rate not allowing the sun to evaporate it as much as it would normally. I guess to be sure about this one would have to do a study on this material and I for one do not think its worth the effort!
They've had this here in Japan forever...
TheSHOvideo
Netherlands too:)
This is not new. I live in the Netherlands and the first with ZOAB (porous asphalt) test where done in 1972.
And from 1980 and up it is used for all new highways. Nowadays 90% of all highway are porous asphalt in the Netherlands.
It has also the benefit that it reduces tire noise.
What is tripicos
what about in a freeze will it crack?
As long as the water has room to expand (it's porous), it shouldn't crack or damage anything seriously. Try putting water in a 20oz pop bottle, don't put a cap on it then freeze it and watch what happens.
Dear Gray & Son/ Maryland Paving, Inc.:
Barranquilla, Colombia, and an endless problem with floods caused by rainfall (which has claimed now hundreds of lives and millions in property damage) is in *desperate* need of a material like this. Please, just check the videos on UA-cam to have an idea of the magnitude of the issue. Please, consider it.
+Mau Jo
What are you going to pay for it with, coffee beans or cocaine?
This really took off like a rocket, aaayyyy?
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Great invention.
Shall we use in India in high flooded area's
Can you please help us??
I'm 4th year civil engineering student
Sir I need detail information of design of this roads , materials , and drainage layout
For my 4th year project work for this topic
Thank you...
Willl this work in cold weather climates???
Michael Kaye No, if the water turn to ice in the concrete it will expand and potentially damage de concrete (sorry for my bad english )
at least it is what I heard on another video of this.
Unvi. Of New Hampshire did a study about this and the short answer is yes.
Wait, if the water goes to the ground, then what is the under-drain for?
The ground can only absorb so much. For times of heavy rains, the drain is needed to take excess water away so it doesn't pool on the surface.
@@lionelhuts875 But where does that excess water go? Is it connected to a canal?
@@johnandrehilagan646 I believe the regular sanitary sewer system, yes - like the grates do for normal pavement.
@@lionelhuts875 oh, so even when applying this in, for example, a house' driveway, it's still connected to the sewer system. Thanks, that was a helpful info.
@@johnandrehilagan646 Typically residentials just drain on to the street, although draining in to the sewer is possible.
and what about the dirt? what happens when it's dirty?
Wash it with.....water...
imagine the temperature goes below freezing after a rain, the whole road would wrack up
the whole point of porous asphalt is that water flows through it
@@sausageman4086 as water flows through, some water molecules will stay on the surface inside, and when it freezes, they expand and potentially cause cracks
@@cks2020693 the water flows through the asphalt, in from the top out from the bottom. Any leftover molecules would be to few to cause serious damage to the pavement.
not really
@Andy As long as the water has room to expand (it's porous), it shouldn't crack or damage anything seriously. Try putting water in a 20oz pop bottle, don't put a cap on it then freeze it and watch what happens.
Seems to me that this type of asphalt would last longer. Regular asphalt only lasts 15 to 20 years in part because of standing water. If this allows the water to move through and out, that process should allow the asphalt to dry faster and last longer.
Well I'm just talking about "in theory." Now that they have the concept, they need to improve and perfect it.
Rubberized asphalt, at least here in Arizona wears out kind of weird. It seems to last quite a long time on freeways but won't last more than a couple of years on surface streets, especially where the roads have a lot of turning traffic like driveways and intersections.
kewl beans
ok thanks
#amazing
How is this more economical than conventional asphalt?
It's not but it helps with flooding and lack of floodplains
Uses less complex material. Most of it is gravel.
fine
Cost?
Could it used on airport runaway?
No, as it isn’t strong enough to handle heavy loads frequently. The pores would collapse.
wouldn't make it through one freeze cycle let alone an entire winter in northern midwest
Wrong!! Tested by the University of New Hampshire for exactly what you are talking about and it reduced the need for deicing agents by up to 75%. The water goes down into the rock bed and does not affect the pavement. It has been used at a park in Massachusetts since 1977. See this link: www.millermicro.com/porpave.html.
Walden Pond State Reservation One good porous pavement installation was installed by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts at Walden Pond as a demonstration project in 1977. Twenty years later, a long time for one paving job on that busy parking lot, it still looks good and works well.
Federal Highway and Waterway Administration link: www.fhwa.dot.gov/pavement/pub_details.cfm?id=948
Try filling a water bottle with water, don't put a lid on, then freeze it. Does it damage the water bottle?
1st time it freezes... it'll look like particle board in a rainstorm.
As long as the water has room to expand (it's porous), it shouldn't crack or damage anything seriously. Try putting water in a 20oz pop bottle, don't put a cap on it then freeze it and watch what happens.
economically usefull or not
Depends on the site. Retention ponds are not cheap to build and this may be a better solution.
PERLI JESSI
Well it gives more visibility, which leads to fewer accidents, which leads to fewer repairs required and hospital costs.
Also less accidents means less traffic jams or you spend less time in traffic jams.
Time is money, certainly for trucks on the road. The calculation should go a little deeper than the pure costs of this road surface but also on the value it could bring.
PERLI JESSI
Well it gives more visibility, which leads to fewer accidents, which leads to fewer repairs required and hospital costs.
Also less accidents means less traffic jams or you spend less time in traffic jams.
Time is money, certainly for trucks on the road. The calculation should go a little deeper than the pure costs of this road surface but also on the value it could bring.
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good idea, but it seems an overkill
Manolo Fernandez
Had it for over 10 years.
You should drive from Belgium to The Netherlands in heavy rain with a lot of Trucks. You go from very low visibility in Belgium to normal visibility when you cross the border. More visibility = less accidents in my book.
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I feel like they use this crap in Michigan and that's why our roads are so fucked up
that's so stupid. taking out 5 ft of dirt. then all the piping connecting to drains. that little section cost $45,000.
A few well place storm drains takes care of it.
Give it 3 years and the pores will be blocked
Sirus
10 years later still not a problem in the Netherlands.
OK, Give it 30 years ;P
RoadRage How resistent is it?
not feelin' it! expensive! will carry toxicities from vehicles or mismanagements into ground waters with NO CHANCE of intervening or hitting spills off at the pass through barrier attempts! Also poses infrastructure hardships. those layers would be harder to work around and would require MUCH MORE EFFORTS AND MONIES to install piping for utility/cablings or any other often future upgradings to infrastructure. I DONT THINK IT IS A WELL THOUGHT OUT PLAN/MEDIUM!
85% Of highways in The Netherlands are ZOAB.
They have the best roads.
Those toxicities are going to the same place with or without this technology. It would be easier to install piping for utilities/cablings because the actual paved area is thinner and would be an easier patch. It's very well thought out.
So if want a large commercial lot your looking at spending more then buildings! So where does the earth you dug out go? Another cost! Me thinks this is BS
I'd prefer if my tax money gets spent on standard asphalt and catchbasins with normal drainage, because those can be maintained and repaired. From what I've seen porous pavement just gets clogged with silt and moss and also the free-thaw cycles just blow it out.
It is more expensive but worth it. It's been used here in the Netherlands for a long time. The quality of the roads/road surface is far superior to the US (safer too). Clogs do happen but regular street cleaning is effective.
Freeze thaw cycles are fine. It's a porous material. The reason freeze-thaw damages things like concrete and cement when they get cracks is because more water builds up in there than escape, so as it freezes it expands and breaks. Porous most of, if not all of the water drains out of the cement/concrete. What doesn't isn't substantial enough to build up enough pressure to cause breaks.
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