I must have been sleep deprived when I made this segment with Steve. What the old guy meant to say: - The AETC Commander who I credit with the Gateway paint scheme on the T-38 is Gen Fig Newton. I really admired Gen Newton and first met him up-range from Nellis when we took over the stink jets, aka dollar 17s, aka F-117s. We called them the stink jets cause they only came out at night. - LtGen Pace was the J-3 of the Joint Staff, not the S-3. LtGen Pace later became Gen Pace and the Chairman of the Joint Staff.
I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiment about the quality of the oral histories being compiled by Steve. It was plain to see that you enjoyed the interviews and I loved listening to your stories and thoughts. I reflected on your comments about formation landings and initially disagreed on the grounds of the number of speaking units created by singleton or trail recoveries. However, I then considered that the Tornado I flew only had a pulse radar for ground mapping and so we couldn’t do the sort of radar trail formation recoveries I see being flown into Lakenheath over my house on IFR days. The reality is that all modern fighters have multi-mode radars far more capable than the one I had, and this obviates the need for “welded wing” approaches & landings. As you said, we should continue to evaluate what we do, why and how! For some people that can become harder the older they get. On the other hand, some lessons are hard won and written in blood and should not be forgotten lightly. Thanks again Jim, I wish you well!
Good comments Nick. To me, it comes down to one key issue. How do we best use our gas? Every fighter takes-off with min fuel. Do we use some of our precious fuel to learn formation landings, or do we practice another couple of engagements?
Love your interviews, your interviewing technique and your easy-going format. Makes for a very enjoyable viewer experience. --Not-so-old former U.S.A.F. JSTARS & AWACS Air Battle Manager.
+1 --> pushing these to my Airmen. It's important to get the fighter perspective and increasingly hard to do with drawdowns of TDYs, exercises & actual airframes to train with.
And another thing... I must have mentioned Systems Command about 50 times. What I meant to say was Material Command. I started in Systems Command back in 1987, but Systems Command merged with Material Command in 1992. Material Command was and is based at Wright-Patterson AFB, OH.
Reflecting on 3 wonderful episodes with Jim Jimenez, trying to not trot out the usual “pure gold”, “another fantastic entry in the back catalogue” platitudes Steve, but these rank very highly for me. As you said to him in closing - people are appreciative of his Joie de Vivre - most definitely!! Also his candour and consideration of your audience in answering every question. A true gentleman and I can only hope we get to hear the “bAR storiEs” from the “undisclosed locAtion”. 5o f1ngers crossed! And thanks to you both. 👏🏼 👏🏼
Jim is a legend with an interesting outlook on life and a wealth of aviation and operational experience. Steve's podcast is the best aviation podcast out there. It is also one of the best podcasts period. Steve has such an easy way with his guests. You can tell the respect is mutual. If I were in Steve's shoes I'd be too much of a fan to get the best out the interview but Steve's calm, laid back and yet professional questioning really brings out the best from the encounter. Keep up the good work! Oh and Steve? When are you getting Adam Robinson back for the Chinook years?
Jose's comments about cleaning up the comm in AETC really hits the mark. During Weapons School, if you made a 5-word radio call that could be have been said in 4, you'd get critiqued for it!
@FoursInHot Imagine being a brand new FAIP and having this guy as your Commander! Jose’s stories were just as good back then. I’ve waited for 25 years to hear the whole story about “Jose road”. Let’s hope we get to hear that soon.
@@FoursInHot Good bunch indeed. Yourself, Waldo, Yams, Beeper, Lo Vis, Flip, Armo, Jethro, Rosceaux and countless other fighter pilots made the right impression on a lot of LTs. It didn’t feel like “white jets” to us.
I think it's one of the reasons automation is replacing pilots. The automation can fly much more precisely than we can. With today's slim fuel and profit margins, just a few knots off can add up to BIG bucks.
And another thing... I think we all recognize that automation can fly a fighter at maximum turn rate or min turn radius better than a human can. The difference has always been when to do which maneuver, how much of God's g the pilot should blend-in, and which weapon's employment zone is the immediate objective. AI in the the past 10 years has come lightyears in solving those human decisions. In the not too distant future, surviving the merge is going to mean a single turn fight with a computer.
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I must have been sleep deprived when I made this segment with Steve. What the old guy meant to say:
- The AETC Commander who I credit with the Gateway paint scheme on the T-38 is Gen Fig Newton. I really admired Gen Newton and first met him up-range from Nellis when we took over the stink jets, aka dollar 17s, aka F-117s. We called them the stink jets cause they only came out at night.
- LtGen Pace was the J-3 of the Joint Staff, not the S-3. LtGen Pace later became Gen Pace and the Chairman of the Joint Staff.
The whole interview was a joy, thank you!
I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiment about the quality of the oral histories being compiled by Steve. It was plain to see that you enjoyed the interviews and I loved listening to your stories and thoughts. I reflected on your comments about formation landings and initially disagreed on the grounds of the number of speaking units created by singleton or trail recoveries. However, I then considered that the Tornado I flew only had a pulse radar for ground mapping and so we couldn’t do the sort of radar trail formation recoveries I see being flown into Lakenheath over my house on IFR days. The reality is that all modern fighters have multi-mode radars far more capable than the one I had, and this obviates the need for “welded wing” approaches & landings. As you said, we should continue to evaluate what we do, why and how! For some people that can become harder the older they get. On the other hand, some lessons are hard won and written in blood and should not be forgotten lightly. Thanks again Jim, I wish you well!
Good comments Nick. To me, it comes down to one key issue. How do we best use our gas? Every fighter takes-off with min fuel. Do we use some of our precious fuel to learn formation landings, or do we practice another couple of engagements?
You deserve way more subscribers. These are some of the best in depth aviation interviews period.
Agreed
Agreed!
100% the best aviation podcast ever.
Love your interviews, your interviewing technique and your easy-going format. Makes for a very enjoyable viewer experience. --Not-so-old former U.S.A.F. JSTARS & AWACS Air Battle Manager.
+1 --> pushing these to my Airmen. It's important to get the fighter perspective and increasingly hard to do with drawdowns of TDYs, exercises & actual airframes to train with.
And another thing... I must have mentioned Systems Command about 50 times. What I meant to say was Material Command. I started in Systems Command back in 1987, but Systems Command merged with Material Command in 1992. Material Command was and is based at Wright-Patterson AFB, OH.
Very true. But the name change wouldn’t have made a staff job in Dayton suck any less. ;-)
You are so right... Wright Pat by the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea,
you can see, you can see,
how unhappy we'd be...
Steve, I love it when you apologize for getting the interviews way off track....that's the whole beauty of your podcast!
Thanks, Junior!
Reflecting on 3 wonderful episodes with Jim Jimenez, trying to not trot out the usual “pure gold”, “another fantastic entry in the back catalogue” platitudes Steve, but these rank very highly for me. As you said to him in closing - people are appreciative of his Joie de Vivre - most definitely!! Also his candour and consideration of your audience in answering every question. A true gentleman and I can only hope we get to hear the “bAR storiEs” from the “undisclosed locAtion”. 5o f1ngers crossed! And thanks to you both. 👏🏼 👏🏼
Jim is a legend with an interesting outlook on life and a wealth of aviation and operational experience. Steve's podcast is the best aviation podcast out there. It is also one of the best podcasts period. Steve has such an easy way with his guests. You can tell the respect is mutual. If I were in Steve's shoes I'd be too much of a fan to get the best out the interview but Steve's calm, laid back and yet professional questioning really brings out the best from the encounter. Keep up the good work! Oh and Steve? When are you getting Adam Robinson back for the Chinook years?
Jose's comments about cleaning up the comm in AETC really hits the mark. During Weapons School, if you made a 5-word radio call that could be have been said in 4, you'd get critiqued for it!
Very enjoyable series of interviews. Humorous and honest. Lots of things I didn't know that I didn't know!. Thank you.
Our pleasure!
Such an excellent interview, Steve @10PercentTrue and Jim @FoursInHot. Thanks for this superb series.
Jim is just a great interview! I love every minute and every detail.
JOSE, you are a great gentleman! Much appreciation for your service and for sharing with us.
Thanks Don.
@FoursInHot Imagine being a brand new FAIP and having this guy as your Commander! Jose’s stories were just as good back then. I’ve waited for 25 years to hear the whole story about “Jose road”. Let’s hope we get to hear that soon.
Matt! Great to see your head pop up. Those years in Columbus were fun. We had a good bunch.
The world still needs to hear the stories of a ‘Vark betwixt the tails of 747s at Gatewick, “Jose road”, and many more! @FoursInHot
@@FoursInHot Good bunch indeed. Yourself, Waldo, Yams, Beeper, Lo Vis, Flip, Armo, Jethro, Rosceaux and countless other fighter pilots made the right impression on a lot of LTs. It didn’t feel like “white jets” to us.
Great points about precise flying, Jim @FoursInHot. I still drive with that mentality, even on long cross country drives. Same with maintaining SA.
I think it's one of the reasons automation is replacing pilots. The automation can fly much more precisely than we can. With today's slim fuel and profit margins, just a few knots off can add up to BIG bucks.
And another thing... I think we all recognize that automation can fly a fighter at maximum turn rate or min turn radius better than a human can. The difference has always been when to do which maneuver, how much of God's g the pilot should blend-in, and which weapon's employment zone is the immediate objective. AI in the the past 10 years has come lightyears in solving those human decisions. In the not too distant future, surviving the merge is going to mean a single turn fight with a computer.
So well said, Jim. Agree 100%.
Fantastic stories, thanks guys
Great stuff, keep it coming.
I drive HW85 twice daily for my County Job :) Were you using range B-70 for the test ? This is home for me.
Yep... The big target on B-70.
Nice interviewer and this channel should be getting more attention.
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Great stuff. I purchased your book on the 3rd of March. Just wondering if there are any delays ?
Books are shipping. Yours will go out this week, my friend 👍🏻
@@10percenttrue Superb!
@@10percenttrue Book arrived today. Man it's a beast and looks stunning. Can't wait to read it. Cheers!!!
YAY