To say slavery is a choice just because some historic figures were able to fight is crazy. They took peoples language, and separated families. If someone kidnapped you, starved you, beat you, sent you to a place where you don’t speak the language, and then had people hunting you, you would be in the same position. Not to mention that we only talk about the people that succeed. There were hundreds that tried and died. It’s highly disrespectful to act like people were just being lazy
At the end of the day it’s a choice. They feared consequences and made a choice. Our people who got away also made a choice by doing what they did to get themselves out of that position. We bring too many emotions into things and run away from fact. It was a choice, that’s fact. That doesn’t mean we’re taking away from or disrespecting what our people went through.
Exactly. We have hardships to this day but compared to our ancestors? Exceptionally privileged and it took countless lives and immeasurable suffering to get to that point.
i'ma just keep it real: sometimes we just need to have historians and scholars involved in certain conversations. just about everyone involved in this segment sounds like they're out of their depth and struggling to articulate even the most basic points. it's okay to not be an expert on a topic and it's okay have conversations about those topics to kind of 'think out loud' but if there's no one there with a true understanding of the topic to guide the conversation (i.e., a legit teacher) you just run in circles and, honestly, run the risk of spewing a lot of ignorance.
This is a simulation of REAL Barbershop convos in the Black community though. We don't just randomly have "Scholars" in our Barbershops. And honestly they didn't really say anything bizarre.
@@projectrain2254 all though it's this is a reenactment of what go's on at barber shop , it's being presented to the mass. Therefore I can understand this person statement.
I absolutely hate when we say “slavery was a choice” especially as black men because we speak from a position of not being there during the time of slavery so we really can’t speak on the conditions of it. That’s like saying why did we put up with the bullshit we went through during the beginning stages of segregation. It’s like sometimes we as black people shouldn’t speak on certain shit that we wasn’t there for
Let em speak, then teach em. Otherwise if they stay quiet, they'll stay ignorant. He heard enough to learn from, and someone is going to call him thats a historian to teach him. Hopefully he one day is capable to connect with Dr. Carr from Howard University. He could not only teach him but as well take him on trips to Africa to show him the deep roots of african history.
EXACTLY. It's say to say what you would've done. If Math would've seen someone that revolted get his dick cut off, wife r@ped & kid murd3red, he would not be sitting there talking bout "it was a choice". We as black ppl today are afraid to go to war with police even though we have access to guns. So most of us sure as hell wouldn't go to war with slave masters without a gun. Niggas just talk.
You there now. There’s no “time of slavery”. In the most basic sense slavery of black people in North America starting 1555/1619 extends in form/function to this very day.
The choice was to live or die. You stayed or you ran away. If you ran they'd kill you, of caught they'd cut off a limb, sell your wife, sell your kid, kill your kid or wife depends on the owner and the region. Slavery was a choice between life or death. Why do you think the masters introduced buck breaking the Sodomy of male men infront of the wife and children while tied over a tree stump. Or forcing your daughter to be a slave wench at 8-15.
Exactly peoples families ripped apart, put on a boat for months shipped to a country they’ve never been, seeing people die before they even got off the boats from disease and horrible conditions. Any person that revolted was beat and killed for all the slaves to see. It’s sad that people don’t value history, I guess only kingpin stories are important
@@SD80 i think the people like you have a lack of knowledge on slavery.. all yall do is speak on Hollywood movie slavery yall dont have understanding either.. bet you didn't know it were so called black slave owners with white slaves.. bet you didn't know the moors ruled all of Europe for centuries.. blacks slaved whites for centuries.. blacks tought them everything.. did you know that.. i doubt.. it was way to many rebellious raids for the Hollywood slavery to take place.. FACTS
@@mindyourbusiness1811 Thanks to the black kings in Africa for enslaving there own people and selling us to the white man. Because white people could even come to Africa & grab us. & slavery is going on today & people don't care nothing about.
@@humanRace615 they were selling people from other tribes that were prisoners of war. You dudes always quick to disrespect and chastise a black person. But the people that beat, killed and molested your ancestors get a pass lol. Read a book
This whole clip is basically "I don't understand trauma, Stockholm Syndrome, grooming, and just mental health in general" in a nutshell. That's literally the only way you can believe slavery is a choice.
@@Mathhoffa I see what you getting at bro but it's like Mecc said thats the exception not the rule. We can't imagine what it's like to be taken from your land to a whole different continent & force to not speak your language or practice any aspect of your culture, given a new name, watch your brothers getting eat by dogs & some more shit; it's wild to say people that went through that level of trauma were making a choice to be in that. They were broken and we can't blame them for that because that was the whole point of slave masters doing all that type of shit to us in the first place.
@@Mathhoffa Nat Turner is proof that slavery was not a choice. Nat Turner and others made the choice to rebel, but that didn't end slavery. It still went on for hundreds of years no matter how many people rebelled or escaped or died. Even if every slave escaped they could kidnap more people from Africa and keep it going. The only thing that ended slavery was the government making it illegal.
That part came up as soon as I saw your comment. Math needs to make a t-shirt with that comment. "Anybody know the name of the famous house nigga? "Why would anybody record that" Hilarious but so real
Do you sit among other races and hear these types of conversations? How do you know what they do and don’t talk about? It’s comments like this that’s makes way for fake titles like ‘Black on Black Crime.’ If you hate black people just say that and denounce yourself. It takes far less effort.
Even the language “Harriet Tubman had to shoot some niggas”….that disgusted me as well. The bottom line in this whole conversation, and what they miss, is that those same slaves’ survival and death is the reason you can sit and pick it apart today. We don’t know what they went through and what they did to survive. Nor do they understand the sacrifices of the people who rebelled which contributed to the freedoms we have today. Just respect the dead. Period.
@@SweetestNya yes I actually do sit around other races that’s why I made the comment. Instead of coming for me you should direct your energy to those that disrespect our Ancestors that were raped, tortured and died so that you could be here.
Math sounds completely crazy with that bs. African slaves were controlled systematically by the U.S. military and the government. Math would have been in the cotton fields just like the rest of us. Math also needs to educate himself on all of the slave revolts that occurred.
My exact sentiments and i was thinking that as soon as I watched a cpl seconds.I was gonna wait to make a comment so I started scrolling to see what others had to say.Math be bugging sometimes.But you right.
From a philosophical standpoint, slavery was a choice, because you had the choice to rebell, you need to represent both sides to have a discussion or debate. My thing with this sentiment, is that it's Divide and Conquer at hand.
EXACTLY RIGHT! they way he's talking is as if there wasn't slave revolts going on. Here and in the Caribbean and wherever else the transatlantic slave trade reached.
Slavery was not a choice! It's irresponsible for anyone from a diaspora that has been subjected to the systematic oppression to conflate history and speak from the privilaged standpoint we live in the present
Actually it was… our own people sold us to white people knowing the plot and play. Also, Harriet Tubman how is she not the epitome of SLAVERY WAS A CHOICE
There were plenty of Nat Turners …they would love for US to think Nat and his team was the only slave uprise!! After the second generation ima agree with that statement!!
Facts, those stories are buried or muted for obvious reasons. The incredible story of the uprising in Louisiana should be inspirational for all of us. Haiti is still paying for Toussaint's bravery. Think about that.
To say it was a choice is crazy talk cuz imagine being born into slavery and not even knowing anything else besides slavery and having no other resources to support yourself or your family or just having another out. It’s easy for us in this day and time to say our ancestors had a choice. You had to kill or be killed as a slave to change your situation. If you call that a "choice" then what is jail/prison? A choice? I will always disagree with that statement.
"When you hear about slavery for 400 years ... For 400 years? That SOUNDS like a choice." Context is key. Another thing we were not kidnapped. That has to stop. It was a slave TRADE. We were sold into slavery by other Africans. Harriet Tubman and Nat Turner was the notable names however it was others who made attempts to be free. Some were just executed. Love your show Math 💯
I can honestly say I agree because I don't hear him in any shape or form talk from a historical sense and the centuries of killing off the warriors spirit men, and to breed submissive children to grow into men to fear. Its psychological. I think he sees this from a now point of view. He'll get it soon or later.
Very touching topic! Uncle Tom was not a house n! He actually was a brother who stood up for others! Sambo was the one that killed Uncle Tom! We must stop berating Uncle Tom and teach the truth of who he really is!
You can just feel the vibe between these two....like 2 real brothers glad they still together and didn't fall in the trap of money and forget who's your brothers keeper!!!!
The thing about slavery being a choice is that most people who have this conversation either don’t give true context or just flat out don’t know. Most people just have a surface level convo about it. Context matter a whole lot, especially with a topic with so many layers to it as slavery.
I think when people hear slavery is a choice they assume it’s meant like “yeah I’m ok with being a slave”. When in reality the choice is compliance or certain death. So yeah it was a choice but it was better than death.
Those who made it to America were the survivors of the horrid Middle Passage. Imagine being on a ship with thousands upon thousands of other Africans bunched together like cattle from various tribes and homelands and not having no concept of what was going on. Numerous people dying from disease and thousands dying from exhaustion and close confinement. Hundreds dying by committing suicide. And then being stripped of your native language and traditons and taught to learn a whole new language and traditions from your oppressors, and creating a whole new culture and way of life from the remains of what you retained on that terrible voyage. But THAT WAS A CHOICE?????
After watching their loved ones and others who looked like them be tortured and brutilized...and fearing for their own lives and the lives of their remaining loved ones...slavery wasn't no fuckin choice................it was a resignation. "Choice" makes it seems like they were told "Hey, you can either come over here as we want y'all too, or you can go over there and we'll just make it a little bit hard for you." When in actuallity they were SHOWN over and OVER again that "Hey, do what you're told or you're gonna suffer the same fate as all those before you......but only after I make you watch your wife and kids suffer from it first." So again, I say, slavery wasn't a choice.....it was a resignation.
Shouts to Hoffa for leveling up, proud to see the bros evolution/evolve and finding a lane outside of being dependent on battle rap.... Whether he didn't or did pocket a few M's, I believe it's dope that someone respected his vision enough to add monetary value to it. Keep grinding, and if they hate than let them hate, and watch the money pile up! 💪🏿✌🏿✌🏿
Nah, he has a cocky attitude and at times he shows feminine attributes with how he wants to control the narrative. Real mean allow other men to speak and listen to what his opinion is vs going at everything. Sometimes you can see the disgust in other people's faces.
Math is actually explaining that slavery in fact was not a choice but the choice to fight against it was two different things, you can’t choose something you were born into and you can’t choose for someone not to kidnap you
The present day example of this argument would be to say if you are in prison you are there by choice?? Technically some people have broken out of prisons but everybody who chooses to not break out are staying but choice? Technically that’s true but why wouldnt they try it because they understand the odds of surviving a prison break is slim to none and when you add no maps, no gps, no exact destination or family to go and meet that’s tough
Also Slavery was a legal term, if you were born to slaves at that time, you were automatically a slave. What you did under that designation is another thing altogether. If you were able to leave the country, that designation vanished.
12:53... The realest punchline Grafh ever spit and I was a fan before I even heard this story. The gunshot could not have come at a more bone-chilling time... Didn't even give my goosebumps time to morph back into my skin... Hairs on my next didn't have a chance to lay back down, couldn't even see the expression on the faces of Tek or Steel. This whole clip was heavy and thought provoking AF but I didn't expect it to be Grafh that gave me chills before Math cut to commercial. I cannot wait for the entire ep to drop, Bigga, Steel, the energy in this room, I need this one ASAP... I got a feeling this is gonna give the Mic Geronimo episode a run for it's money in my top 5 MEO episodes and I'm here for it.
Grafh is such an underrated rapper man, his rhyme schemes were incredible and he had this swag and aura about him. really surprised he never made it bigger but maybe it was bc he couldn't make a hit song
Peace to Smif N Wessun. Tek and Steele are two of the realest in the game. Met them after a show and Steele was smoking and building with my people for hours.
In this so-called "age of information", almost all of that information is a blatant, straight out, one hundred percent complete lie. Ignorance is bliss. Only truth can set you free.
As long as Math has that same energy for every street cat, including himself, for how they conduct themselves in their hoods. Then let him speak his opinion.
People need to understand something. Everything is a choice. You may not like the choices but it is still a choice. Our ancestors had two choices...be a slave or die. Some chose death, others chose to be a slave. Its that simple and there is strength in both choices
Be very mindful when you say that slavery is a choice! It's insensitive to make such a broad statement. We can't over think what history has proven. The truth is in the pudding. Forcing anyone into anything with fear and demonstration is not a choice. Be mindful.
You have to consider how harsh the treatments were in those days. The movies 🎥 had to dumb down what was happening to the Africans . The physical harm that was done to them was way beyond what was shown in movies. They murdered so many people and alot of those stories are now coming to lite. The choice is a full out revolution was occurring and people made examples of for even attempting to leave plantations. I've been told stories from elders in my family that have never even made the books.
Anyone that says slavery was a choice has never picked up a book about the matter. You can tell math has never read a book in his life.I would never disrespect my ancestors and spew some b.s like that.
How beautiful it is that people who weren't raise in slavery could sit there and say those people chose to be slaves. From birth there was a slave manual and freedom manual and all the people of color chose slavery for 100. They chose to be raped, killed, molested, humiliated, tortured, bear witness to their love ones, relatives, friends, people sharing the familiar experiences endure the same mistreatment. They witness those who rebelled be tortured and killed. We need to be careful with this choice narrative. It wasn't a choice. It was a circumstance and eventually ended through chain of necessary events.
Everyone tried to articulate a point, but no one had an educational understanding of the subject. To be a slave is not a choice by definition of the word.
Even if you were born into slavery, at some point you knew what was going on was wrong. And at some point each person made a choice. A choice to accept it or not accept it. The only people that didn’t have a choice were the babies.
Slavery is the choice the same way that living and dying is a choice. Regardless of the circumstances, they didn’t want to die or be tortured. The owners feed them and sheltered them. They were basically treated like pets. Though ignorant, I encourage the conversation
Math, you're too smart to believe that. I think the point that you are getting at is that we need to rebel, and you can choose to rebel, but you can't choose slavery. Choice under duress of torture and death is not a choice. You really need to qualify these statements or say exactly what you mean.
If slavery was a choice, the alternative was death. Even for Nat Turner, who was quickly executed and brought harsher laws after his uprising. So if you’re going to call slavery a choice, recognize it was made to survive
Nat Turner argument works if his choice ended his enslavement. It did not. So even with his "choice" not to be a slave, it did not end his enslavement. So he also had no choice. He would have been enslaved again if he wasn't hanged
That's like saying breathing is a choice, or drinking water is a choice, or eating food is a choice. There were clear and present dangers to noncompliance. As Carter G. Woods on said "When you control a man's thinking, you need not worry about his actions"
@@AFTC I’m saying all these dudes talking about slavery a choice can’t even get modern day form oppression off their back. We the only people on the planet who disrespect their ancestors
The problem in saying ‘slavery is a choice’ is that it undermines the human condition under the control of imperial powers. We have to consider what a ‘choice’ is. What exactly is a ‘choice’ to a slave, a man without representation, education, rights… a man seen and considered to be subhuman. What choice does a whole race have when they have been denied all levels of enlightenment and freedom. For most slaves, the only choices are life and death. For someone to make a difference, there needs to be a sliver of light and hope given by those who have control. Heck, even Harriet Tubman needed a free North to have become the hero she ended up becoming. What about the slaves before the free north? To go even further back, what about the slaves born in African countries, born as slaves, raised as slaves, and sold as slaves by slavers of the same race trading for gun powder and iron. The statement ‘slavery is a choice’ is dangerous not because you won’t be able to find points to validate it; it is dangerous because it is too crude of a statement to a very very deep and complicated part of human history.
Some had to stay so that others could escape. So yes a choice was made with the intent to save the children, the readers, the writers and musicians of the time. They understood everyone could not run to freedom, some had to stay and give their life to bare the burden of the whip, the horse and the tree.
I get what all sides are saying but I agree with Mecc. The "Slave Trade" which was forcing slaves across the Atlantic from Africa ended in 1808, but " Slavery" which is keeping and using of slaves, wasn't abolished in the United States until 1865....... so there were generations born into Slavery who had no connection to their original homeland and knew no better, they just thought that was how life was supposed to be. That's not a choice.
Everyone! Please read. Do the work. Stop rooting your world views on your emotions. Facts and info are your friends. "Opinions aren't like booty holes, everybody got one!" The great philosopher Chad Butler
Bill Russell just pasted & went thru some forms of slavery, separate water fountains, separate hotels from white teammates, go to the back to get food from a restaurant.
I’m from Charleston, SC. There’s more than one Nat Turner. We had the Gullah Wars, Stono Rebellion, Denmark Vessey etc. and this is where the majority of enslaved people were brought to in the US
Lemme modernize this. If an unarmed family suffers a home invasion is what happens to the family from that point forward voluntary? Same question for any unarmed man woman or child taken hostage? Choice?
Everyone of the people y’all mentioned was once slaves. Harriet Tubman was a slave, and then woke up and said enough is enough, same as Nat Turner. Now. Fredrick Douglas was a house slave. So you can call him the famous house slave. Till he woke up and killed his slave owner. Yes slaver is a choice when you are at a certain age to understand that what is happening to you and your people is not right. You have to have heart to fight back knowing that , fighting slavery will end up in death. This is a line from a song Born Black in a White Mans World by Tupac. “ And do you love me mamma, why do they keep calling me nigga. Get my weight up with my hate, and pay them back when I’m bigger.” A song that a black person should listen to every day before they walk out the house.
This is a knowledge based discussion. I respect and salute our ancestors that endured and rebelled against the brutality of amerikkkan chattel enslavement. Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome by Dr. Joy DeGruy Leary is a great read that will give perspective on the subject.
its like saying locked in prison is a choice and prisoners can leave anytime they want. i mean yes they can try but i think its the fear of death that kept them mentally locked
😭.For over 400 years, more than 15 million men, women and children were the victims of the tragic transatlantic slave trade. With all due respect they did not choose this. We still stand here today because of their survival tactics. Cry blood.
☝Answer to Math's Question @5:05 📚 Anthony Johnson - In 1651 - was a freed Virginian slave that gained prominence and wealth as being the 1st African American to FIGHT 4 the right to keep a slave FOR LIFE.. HE WASNT THE ONLY 1
No it didn't bro. People love dumbing sh*t down. If you seen them string somebody's baby up and torture and kill them as punishment for the parents disobedience. And you have your babies standing next to you, are you going to risk having the same thing done to yours by rebelling? 99% of people would say no and that's just ONE tactic they would use to keep slave in line.
To say slavery is a choice just because some historic figures were able to fight is crazy. They took peoples language, and separated families. If someone kidnapped you, starved you, beat you, sent you to a place where you don’t speak the language, and then had people hunting you, you would be in the same position. Not to mention that we only talk about the people that succeed. There were hundreds that tried and died. It’s highly disrespectful to act like people were just being lazy
At the end of the day it’s a choice. They feared consequences and made a choice. Our people who got away also made a choice by doing what they did to get themselves out of that position. We bring too many emotions into things and run away from fact. It was a choice, that’s fact. That doesn’t mean we’re taking away from or disrespecting what our people went through.
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Exactly. We have hardships to this day but compared to our ancestors? Exceptionally privileged and it took countless lives and immeasurable suffering to get to that point.
@@traesvision529 you the opps.
@traesvision529 Obviously critical thinking isn't your specialty!
i'ma just keep it real: sometimes we just need to have historians and scholars involved in certain conversations. just about everyone involved in this segment sounds like they're out of their depth and struggling to articulate even the most basic points. it's okay to not be an expert on a topic and it's okay have conversations about those topics to kind of 'think out loud' but if there's no one there with a true understanding of the topic to guide the conversation (i.e., a legit teacher) you just run in circles and, honestly, run the risk of spewing a lot of ignorance.
SOOOOO TRUE. I SAY THAT ALL THE TIME. If your not well versed in a subject matter Shut up!
This is a simulation of REAL Barbershop convos in the Black community though. We don't just randomly have "Scholars" in our Barbershops. And honestly they didn't really say anything bizarre.
Factual
@@projectrain2254 all though it's this is a reenactment of what go's on at barber shop , it's being presented to the mass. Therefore I can understand this person statement.
Man... my thoughts EXACTLY. 👍🙏
I just love the way Bigga be sitting uninterested until he unleashes 😂😂😂😂😂
I absolutely hate when we say “slavery was a choice” especially as black men because we speak from a position of not being there during the time of slavery so we really can’t speak on the conditions of it. That’s like saying why did we put up with the bullshit we went through during the beginning stages of segregation. It’s like sometimes we as black people shouldn’t speak on certain shit that we wasn’t there for
Yes we can because we KNOW millions were KILLED for rebelling .. that’s enough proof that it was indeed a choice
Let em speak, then teach em. Otherwise if they stay quiet, they'll stay ignorant. He heard enough to learn from, and someone is going to call him thats a historian to teach him. Hopefully he one day is capable to connect with Dr. Carr from Howard University. He could not only teach him but as well take him on trips to Africa to show him the deep roots of african history.
EXACTLY. It's say to say what you would've done. If Math would've seen someone that revolted get his dick cut off, wife r@ped & kid murd3red, he would not be sitting there talking bout "it was a choice".
We as black ppl today are afraid to go to war with police even though we have access to guns. So most of us sure as hell wouldn't go to war with slave masters without a gun.
Niggas just talk.
You there now. There’s no “time of slavery”. In the most basic sense slavery of black people in North America starting 1555/1619 extends in form/function to this very day.
The choice was to live or die. You stayed or you ran away. If you ran they'd kill you, of caught they'd cut off a limb, sell your wife, sell your kid, kill your kid or wife depends on the owner and the region. Slavery was a choice between life or death. Why do you think the masters introduced buck breaking the Sodomy of male men infront of the wife and children while tied over a tree stump. Or forcing your daughter to be a slave wench at 8-15.
This is what happens when you don’t read history .. when you don’t understand the level of physical and mental harm done to control so many
I agree. They would be a offended to have the historians come by and share how much lack of knowledge they have on slavery.
Exactly peoples families ripped apart, put on a boat for months shipped to a country they’ve never been, seeing people die before they even got off the boats from disease and horrible conditions. Any person that revolted was beat and killed for all the slaves to see. It’s sad that people don’t value history, I guess only kingpin stories are important
@@SD80 i think the people like you have a lack of knowledge on slavery.. all yall do is speak on Hollywood movie slavery yall dont have understanding either.. bet you didn't know it were so called black slave owners with white slaves.. bet you didn't know the moors ruled all of Europe for centuries.. blacks slaved whites for centuries.. blacks tought them everything.. did you know that.. i doubt.. it was way to many rebellious raids for the Hollywood slavery to take place.. FACTS
@@mindyourbusiness1811 Thanks to the black kings in Africa for enslaving there own people and selling us to the white man. Because white people could even come to Africa & grab us. & slavery is going on today & people don't care nothing about.
@@humanRace615 they were selling people from other tribes that were prisoners of war. You dudes always quick to disrespect and chastise a black person. But the people that beat, killed and molested your ancestors get a pass lol. Read a book
This whole clip is basically "I don't understand trauma, Stockholm Syndrome, grooming, and just mental health in general" in a nutshell. That's literally the only way you can believe slavery is a choice.
Again… who is Nat turner?
@@Mathhoffa do you understand not every black person is a Nat Turner and it's easy to bring up some I would've did this shit if you ain't lived it
@@Mathhoffa I see what you getting at bro but it's like Mecc said thats the exception not the rule. We can't imagine what it's like to be taken from your land to a whole different continent & force to not speak your language or practice any aspect of your culture, given a new name, watch your brothers getting eat by dogs & some more shit; it's wild to say people that went through that level of trauma were making a choice to be in that. They were broken and we can't blame them for that because that was the whole point of slave masters doing all that type of shit to us in the first place.
@@Mathhoffa Nat Turner is proof that slavery was not a choice. Nat Turner and others made the choice to rebel, but that didn't end slavery. It still went on for hundreds of years no matter how many people rebelled or escaped or died. Even if every slave escaped they could kidnap more people from Africa and keep it going. The only thing that ended slavery was the government making it illegal.
Bro talk to these lost n words smh 😂
“Anybody know the name of a famous house nigga?” 😂😂
“why would anybody record that?” 😂😂😂😂😂😂
That part came up as soon as I saw your comment. Math needs to make a t-shirt with that comment. "Anybody know the name of the famous house nigga?
"Why would anybody record that"
Hilarious but so real
@@R.G.777. 🤣🤣 facts
@SneakersnChess808 🤣🤣
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I'll make a video of them... I think Willie D. alredy has and a song lol
Our Ancestors should never be spoken about in a Negative way. Our people are the only ones that do this 🙁
to say slavery was a choice is not cool.
So glad you feel this way. Self hate seems like it is spreading with our people.
Do you sit among other races and hear these types of conversations? How do you know what they do and don’t talk about? It’s comments like this that’s makes way for fake titles like ‘Black on Black Crime.’ If you hate black people just say that and denounce yourself. It takes far less effort.
Even the language “Harriet Tubman had to shoot some niggas”….that disgusted me as well. The bottom line in this whole conversation, and what they miss, is that those same slaves’ survival and death is the reason you can sit and pick it apart today. We don’t know what they went through and what they did to survive. Nor do they understand the sacrifices of the people who rebelled which contributed to the freedoms we have today. Just respect the dead. Period.
@@SweetestNya yes I actually do sit around other races that’s why I made the comment. Instead of coming for me you should direct your energy to those that disrespect our Ancestors that were raped, tortured and died so that you could be here.
Math sounds completely crazy with that bs. African slaves were controlled systematically by the U.S. military and the government. Math would have been in the cotton fields just like the rest of us. Math also needs to educate himself on all of the slave revolts that occurred.
My exact sentiments and i was thinking that as soon as I watched a cpl seconds.I was gonna wait to make a comment so I started scrolling to see what others had to say.Math be bugging sometimes.But you right.
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From a philosophical standpoint, slavery was a choice, because you had the choice to rebell, you need to represent both sides to have a discussion or debate. My thing with this sentiment, is that it's Divide and Conquer at hand.
British/French/Portuguese military first. The US military didn't exist yet when slavery started.
EXACTLY RIGHT! they way he's talking is as if there wasn't slave revolts going on. Here and in the Caribbean and wherever else the transatlantic slave trade reached.
Slavery was not a choice! It's irresponsible for anyone from a diaspora that has been subjected to the systematic oppression to conflate history and speak from the privilaged standpoint we live in the present
@Kevin W its a choice and still a choice til this day
Actually it was… our own people sold us to white people knowing the plot and play. Also, Harriet Tubman how is she not the epitome of SLAVERY WAS A CHOICE
In the present, we have a choice.
Facts Andre!
You do know slaves tried to escape all the time and they got killed. Like Nat Turner too.
Birth of a Nation ending was hard to watch. Knowing what they did to Nat.
There were plenty of Nat Turners …they would love for US to think Nat and his team was the only slave uprise!! After the second generation ima agree with that statement!!
Egggxactly there were numerous skave revolts THEY refuse to mention
@@RUDYRAYYYMO Agreed and many more who are happy being house negroes and ones on the fence afraid to die
Facts, those stories are buried or muted for obvious reasons. The incredible story of the uprising in Louisiana should be inspirational for all of us. Haiti is still paying for Toussaint's bravery. Think about that.
So many, they had to create a different way to do it.
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Slavery was never a choice
To say it was a choice is crazy talk cuz imagine being born into slavery and not even knowing anything else besides slavery and having no other resources to support yourself or your family or just having another out. It’s easy for us in this day and time to say our ancestors had a choice. You had to kill or be killed as a slave to change your situation. If you call that a "choice" then what is jail/prison? A choice? I will always disagree with that statement.
Explain the revolts and runaways
Explain the free African Americans living in those times
@@ojlucky9065 nah I'll let you since you know
"When you hear about slavery for 400 years ... For 400 years? That SOUNDS like a choice." Context is key. Another thing we were not kidnapped. That has to stop. It was a slave TRADE. We were sold into slavery by other Africans. Harriet Tubman and Nat Turner was the notable names however it was others who made attempts to be free. Some were just executed. Love your show Math 💯
There were many many rebellious slave raids my friend all over the American continent
Amen!!! Brotha!! 🎯🎯🎯
Truth!!!
To be sold you have to be kidnapped. They didn't by choice get sold. Those tribes were at war and sold their enemies. They didn't choose.
@@mostmost1 That was par for the course of that time. The point remains that the TRADE part needs to be highlighted.
Oh gawd, why is this a debate? Y’all letting Kanye West influence history now? GTFO here. Education is truly dead in this country if that’s the case.
Harriet Tubman quoted “I freed a thousand slaves; I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves”
MIC DROP
She didn’t actually free the slaves....
@@BeatzByJones what she do then?
@@Jun3bugger she was a conductor of a train on the Underground Railroad transporting slaves from Maryland to Philadelphia
@@Jun3bugger She just took them to another plantation, that’s all.
U need history class Math
I can honestly say I agree because I don't hear him in any shape or form talk from a historical sense and the centuries of killing off the warriors spirit men, and to breed submissive children to grow into men to fear. Its psychological. I think he sees this from a now point of view. He'll get it soon or later.
Yikes with this one
@@allviralaccessmedia3664 math is bajan dag. Different outlook to FBA
@@figo007tv I agree
Actually Uncle Tom wasn’t the bad Guy in the story. It was actually Sambo. We’ve been lied to about who Uncle Tom actually was!
Exactly.
Careful Sambo is considered a God in some African asiatic culture he’s not a bad guy either
Y’all really don’t know history. Very miseducated if you think it wasn’t slave revolts.
THAT PART 🎯🎯🎯
Word. The only people who think like that haven't studied anything regarding the subject. They fought at every point in the slave trade.
Math, tasting the success now makes him feel this way, that's disgusting...
Why can't he have his opinion ?
Very touching topic! Uncle Tom was not a house n! He actually was a brother who stood up for others! Sambo was the one that killed Uncle Tom! We must stop berating Uncle Tom and teach the truth of who he really is!
This right here
You can just feel the vibe between these two....like 2 real brothers glad they still together and didn't fall in the trap of money and forget who's your brothers keeper!!!!
They got that Lox vibe/loyalty ❤️
The thing about slavery being a choice is that most people who have this conversation either don’t give true context or just flat out don’t know. Most people just have a surface level convo about it. Context matter a whole lot, especially with a topic with so many layers to it as slavery.
I think when people hear slavery is a choice they assume it’s meant like “yeah I’m ok with being a slave”. When in reality the choice is compliance or certain death. So yeah it was a choice but it was better than death.
@@micmorgan84 Now you have a very, valid point there
Sooooo flat out it was a choice….
@@YOMAMABOYFRIEND Yes, a choice of life or death to be very clear and specific.
EXACTLY. No mention of Maroons because they have no historical context.
Can you imagine what they did to break the first group of slaves. The 100/1000😔to make the rest get in line. I imagine the breaking was horrific.
Those who made it to America were the survivors of the horrid Middle Passage. Imagine being on a ship with thousands upon thousands of other Africans bunched together like cattle from various tribes and homelands and not having no concept of what was going on. Numerous people dying from disease and thousands dying from exhaustion and close confinement. Hundreds dying by committing suicide. And then being stripped of your native language and traditons and taught to learn a whole new language and traditions from your oppressors, and creating a whole new culture and way of life from the remains of what you retained on that terrible voyage. But THAT WAS A CHOICE?????
Imagine how many serial killer slave masters there where back in those days
serial killers and serial rapists
After watching their loved ones and others who looked like them be tortured and brutilized...and fearing for their own lives and the lives of their remaining loved ones...slavery wasn't no fuckin choice................it was a resignation.
"Choice" makes it seems like they were told "Hey, you can either come over here as we want y'all too, or you can go over there and we'll just make it a little bit hard for you." When in actuallity they were SHOWN over and OVER again that "Hey, do what you're told or you're gonna suffer the same fate as all those before you......but only after I make you watch your wife and kids suffer from it first."
So again, I say, slavery wasn't a choice.....it was a resignation.
Math was wild for saying that bull
When Math said Love is the changing mechanism ",I was like DEEP...HE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!
United States of America was never foreign to us..
When Rocks Cry Out…
A very 'real' and interesting conversation 🔥🔥🔥
Shouts to Hoffa for leveling up, proud to see the bros evolution/evolve and finding a lane outside of being dependent on battle rap....
Whether he didn't or did pocket a few M's, I believe it's dope that someone respected his vision enough to add monetary value to it.
Keep grinding, and if they hate than let them hate, and watch the money pile up! 💪🏿✌🏿✌🏿
Nah, he has a cocky attitude and at times he shows feminine attributes with how he wants to control the narrative. Real mean allow other men to speak and listen to what his opinion is vs going at everything. Sometimes you can see the disgust in other people's faces.
you had way more nat turner then they care to show you, because if they showed you, you would have knew you could over throw them
FACTS
That part
Math is actually explaining that slavery in fact was not a choice but the choice to fight against it was two different things, you can’t choose something you were born into and you can’t choose for someone not to kidnap you
The present day example of this argument would be to say if you are in prison you are there by choice?? Technically some people have broken out of prisons but everybody who chooses to not break out are staying but choice? Technically that’s true but why wouldnt they try it because they understand the odds of surviving a prison break is slim to none and when you add no maps, no gps, no exact destination or family to go and meet that’s tough
It's not even about trying, some people don't even know how to do it.
Also Slavery was a legal term, if you were born to slaves at that time, you were automatically a slave. What you did under that designation is another thing altogether. If you were able to leave the country, that designation vanished.
12:53... The realest punchline Grafh ever spit and I was a fan before I even heard this story. The gunshot could not have come at a more bone-chilling time... Didn't even give my goosebumps time to morph back into my skin... Hairs on my next didn't have a chance to lay back down, couldn't even see the expression on the faces of Tek or Steel. This whole clip was heavy and thought provoking AF but I didn't expect it to be Grafh that gave me chills before Math cut to commercial. I cannot wait for the entire ep to drop, Bigga, Steel, the energy in this room, I need this one ASAP... I got a feeling this is gonna give the Mic Geronimo episode a run for it's money in my top 5 MEO episodes and I'm here for it.
Thanks for sharing 💪🏾
Talking about a cliffhanger 😂😂
Grafh is such an underrated rapper man, his rhyme schemes were incredible and he had this swag and aura about him. really surprised he never made it bigger but maybe it was bc he couldn't make a hit song
It’s so out of pocket to speak on times that are unimaginable. We should never speak down on our ancestors.
Peace to Smif N Wessun. Tek and Steele are two of the realest in the game. Met them after a show and Steele was smoking and building with my people for hours.
They are but the Uncle Tom refrence is actually a false narrative of the real person
Mecca speaking the facts on this at the 7:40 mark 🚨💯‼️
Man this pod is so much needed . These are the convos when need to have
Ignorance in an age of information is a choice.
People like to be spoonfed.
In this so-called "age of information", almost all of that information is a blatant, straight out, one hundred percent complete lie. Ignorance is bliss. Only truth can set you free.
Saying it was not a choice diminishes the greatness of the ones that escaped. True heros have choices.
As long as Math has that same energy for every street cat, including himself, for how they conduct themselves in their hoods. Then let him speak his opinion.
People need to understand something. Everything is a choice. You may not like the choices but it is still a choice. Our ancestors had two choices...be a slave or die. Some chose death, others chose to be a slave. Its that simple and there is strength in both choices
Be very mindful when you say that slavery is a choice! It's insensitive to make such a broad statement. We can't over think what history has proven. The truth is in the pudding. Forcing anyone into anything with fear and demonstration is not a choice. Be mindful.
You have to consider how harsh the treatments were in those days. The movies 🎥 had to dumb down what was happening to the Africans . The physical harm that was done to them was way beyond what was shown in movies. They murdered so many people and alot of those stories are now coming to lite. The choice is a full out revolution was occurring and people made examples of for even attempting to leave plantations. I've been told stories from elders in my family that have never even made the books.
They got D.L. Hugely in dis bih😂😂😂😂
Anyone that says slavery was a choice has never picked up a book about the matter. You can tell math has never read a book in his life.I would never disrespect my ancestors and spew some b.s like that.
'History is written by the victor'
BAM 💯
"Give me liberty, or give me death!" Patrick Henry on March 23, 1775, at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia
My man in the chair look like Nets new coach 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Steele & Math was cooking on this clip!!
How beautiful it is that people who weren't raise in slavery could sit there and say those people chose to be slaves. From birth there was a slave manual and freedom manual and all the people of color chose slavery for 100. They chose to be raped, killed, molested, humiliated, tortured, bear witness to their love ones, relatives, friends, people sharing the familiar experiences endure the same mistreatment. They witness those who rebelled be tortured and killed. We need to be careful with this choice narrative. It wasn't a choice. It was a circumstance and eventually ended through chain of necessary events.
Y’all need a professor with y’all right now Professor James Smalls
🎰FACTS..
Facts or Tariq nasheed
Someone @ Math... Because having Smalls on here would put the show on another level
Everyone tried to articulate a point, but no one had an educational understanding of the subject. To be a slave is not a choice by definition of the word.
Please Math bring back Smart… Peace and Love from London!
Self Preservation is not a choice to be a slave. It's not a choice, if you can't walk away.
This is the second part, because Bigga over there is mad as hell.
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Sitting there like 🗿
@@user-tk7rl6hw6c 😂 right!
Is being poor a choice? A lotta slaves youve never heard of died fighting back, we remember the ones that succeeded in freeing themselves and others.
Them sundown towns are real. It’s crazy how many places like this still exist comfortably
Can we get Brotha Rizza Islam on the show for this conversation? I’m sure that would be a great one!
Keep on give us good content math... your pod is litt
Even if you were born into slavery, at some point you knew what was going on was wrong. And at some point each person made a choice. A choice to accept it or not accept it.
The only people that didn’t have a choice were the babies.
You can’t compare your position as a father in these times to a father 400+ years ago in the fields.
Slavery is the choice the same way that living and dying is a choice. Regardless of the circumstances, they didn’t want to die or be tortured. The owners feed them and sheltered them. They were basically treated like pets. Though ignorant, I encourage the conversation
Math, you're too smart to believe that. I think the point that you are getting at is that we need to rebel, and you can choose to rebel, but you can't choose slavery. Choice under duress of torture and death is not a choice. You really need to qualify these statements or say exactly what you mean.
If slavery was a choice, the alternative was death. Even for Nat Turner, who was quickly executed and brought harsher laws after his uprising. So if you’re going to call slavery a choice, recognize it was made to survive
Nat Turner-Black burner is the forever rhyme lol
Loaded one
Everything in life is a choice, but every choice is not sensible.
TOP NOTCH CONTENT 💎 WANNA SEE THIS FULL EP. PEACE ✨️🤲🏾✨️
"In your engine room things are predictable you control them. But my work is always elusive, it doesn't always provide answers just more questions"...
Nat Turner argument works if his choice ended his enslavement. It did not. So even with his "choice" not to be a slave, it did not end his enslavement. So he also had no choice. He would have been enslaved again if he wasn't hanged
The burning desire to be free has to be expressed in the human spirit. Some might be afraid to express that so the strong must lead the way.
Great convo
Great convo ...bad audio. Smh
That's like saying breathing is a choice, or drinking water is a choice, or eating food is a choice. There were clear and present dangers to noncompliance. As Carter G. Woods on said "When you control a man's thinking, you need not worry about his actions"
Your instincts are stronger than manipulation
Yet we still marching in 2022
@@mansamusa9465 exactly
@@AFTC I’m saying all these dudes talking about slavery a choice can’t even get modern day form oppression off their back. We the only people on the planet who disrespect their ancestors
@@mansamusa9465 I agree and that has to change.
The problem in saying ‘slavery is a choice’ is that it undermines the human condition under the control of imperial powers. We have to consider what a ‘choice’ is. What exactly is a ‘choice’ to a slave, a man without representation, education, rights… a man seen and considered to be subhuman. What choice does a whole race have when they have been denied all levels of enlightenment and freedom. For most slaves, the only choices are life and death. For someone to make a difference, there needs to be a sliver of light and hope given by those who have control. Heck, even Harriet Tubman needed a free North to have become the hero she ended up becoming. What about the slaves before the free north? To go even further back, what about the slaves born in African countries, born as slaves, raised as slaves, and sold as slaves by slavers of the same race trading for gun powder and iron.
The statement ‘slavery is a choice’ is dangerous not because you won’t be able to find points to validate it; it is dangerous because it is too crude of a statement to a very very deep and complicated part of human history.
Some had to stay so that others could escape. So yes a choice was made with the intent to save the children, the readers, the writers and musicians of the time. They understood everyone could not run to freedom, some had to stay and give their life to bare the burden of the whip, the horse and the tree.
I get what all sides are saying but I agree with Mecc. The "Slave Trade" which was forcing slaves across the Atlantic from Africa ended in 1808, but " Slavery" which is keeping and using of slaves, wasn't abolished in the United States until 1865....... so there were generations born into Slavery who had no connection to their original homeland and knew no better, they just thought that was how life was supposed to be. That's not a choice.
Hero’s are far and few in between math some didn’t even have a opportunity to even fight,you don’t think there where a 1,000s of fighters that died
As long as YOU have NO SYSTEMS, slavery FOR THE COMPROMISED will EXIST.
Everyone! Please read. Do the work. Stop rooting your world views on your emotions. Facts and info are your friends. "Opinions aren't like booty holes, everybody got one!" The great philosopher Chad Butler
Facts!!!!!!
Bill Russell just pasted & went thru some forms of slavery, separate water fountains, separate hotels from white teammates, go to the back to get food from a restaurant.
Math needs to lay off the Henny on this one, ya dead wrong.
I’m from Charleston, SC. There’s more than one Nat Turner. We had the Gullah Wars, Stono Rebellion, Denmark Vessey etc. and this is where the majority of enslaved people were brought to in the US
Lemme modernize this. If an unarmed family suffers a home invasion is what happens to the family from that point forward voluntary? Same question for any unarmed man woman or child taken hostage? Choice?
Everyone of the people y’all mentioned was once slaves. Harriet Tubman was a slave, and then woke up and said enough is enough, same as Nat Turner. Now. Fredrick Douglas was a house slave. So you can call him the famous house slave. Till he woke up and killed his slave owner. Yes slaver is a choice when you are at a certain age to understand that what is happening to you and your people is not right. You have to have heart to fight back knowing that , fighting slavery will end up in death. This is a line from a song Born Black in a White Mans World by Tupac. “ And do you love me mamma, why do they keep calling me nigga. Get my weight up with my hate, and pay them back when I’m bigger.” A song that a black person should listen to every day before they walk out the house.
“And she PLUGGED EM” DAMN😂
Slavery is a SYSTEM. It may not be a system that you benefit from "the system" but it is.
This is a knowledge based discussion.
I respect and salute our ancestors that endured and rebelled against the brutality of amerikkkan chattel enslavement.
Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome by Dr. Joy DeGruy Leary is a great read that will give perspective on the subject.
Salute Hoffa The Realest 💯
its like saying locked in prison is a choice and prisoners can leave anytime they want. i mean yes they can try but i think its the fear of death that kept them mentally locked
I bet he wouldn’t say The Holocaust was a choice, them folks would have his whole show shut down
DON'T DO IT..WHAT YOUR EATING FOR LUNCH IS A CHOICE
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Facts. Anybody that says the environment is shaping u is weak minded
😭.For over 400 years, more than 15 million men, women and children were the victims of the tragic transatlantic slave trade. With all due respect they did not choose this. We still stand here today because of their survival tactics. Cry blood.
Hoffa Gang
In That Last Bit Grafh Was Speaking On... Pertaining To His Alabama Homie. It Is What's Known As A "Sundown Town" And Many Still Exist.....
The choice was life or death
☝Answer to Math's Question @5:05 📚 Anthony Johnson - In 1651 - was a freed Virginian slave that gained prominence and wealth as being the 1st African American to FIGHT 4 the right to keep a slave FOR LIFE.. HE WASNT THE ONLY 1
Thank you Math, that needed to be said... 💪🏾
No it didn't bro. People love dumbing sh*t down. If you seen them string somebody's baby up and torture and kill them as punishment for the parents disobedience. And you have your babies standing next to you, are you going to risk having the same thing done to yours by rebelling? 99% of people would say no and that's just ONE tactic they would use to keep slave in line.
If I tell you to do something against your will and you don’t want to but the consequence is death then I don’t think most people would choose death.