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So is this meaning the child is so light that they cloud pass as white and the abolitionist used this as propaganda 🤔because my Aunt would have been in this category.
You can look through old newspaper articles & they were literally selling Irish girls & kids in newspapers in the 1800's, slavery for white people went on until the 1930's, anyone who got paid in "store script" was literally a slave... They might not have had legal documentation stating that they were being enslaved but they were being enslaved, same with indentured servants... The Mayan civilization had Slaves!!! Slavery is simply explained, it is a "hierarchical mindset", everyone in America today is a slave, money is printed from thin air & we use meaningless paper as debtors notes to the bankers who own the real wealth... The audio interview you have of the slave who worked for Jefferson Davis, when he found out that one of them took the initiative to want to learn to read & write on their own (writing in chalk) he paid for teachers to teach them various skills, it's because he was a Freemason, they believe in the biblical concept of: the way God was constantly doing all these crazy things to people in olden days, if they could rise above "his tests", then people could go up the godly/freemasonic ladder of being a higher human (in the hierarchical freemasonic view of reality/biblical interpretation). As long as we have hierarchical thinking, the majority of people ((are & will always be slaves.))
👍 Yes, partly. It's not the entire point. It's that they used it to shock the North to subconsciously instill fear that they could be next. He was showing that slavery is not based on skin tone, because the majority of slaves had deeper complexions, because the slave traders chose their victims based on how easy they were to kidnap or buy, due to the victims financial status and their government's allowance or inability to protect their citizens.
My Grandfather was born in 1894 Mississippi to an Irish Father and Chocktaw mother. He also had a younger sister born in 1896. Around 1900, both his parents died from an outbreak of Typhus. One of the families in the area took both children in, but not out of the goodness of thier heart. They took my Grandfather and Grand Aunt in as slaves. Both were treated very badly. Our family history says that they were treated so badly that when the circuit preacher's wife saw how badly the little girl was treated, she returned a week later and demanded the family hand over the girl to her, and she raised the girl as her own daughter. My Grandfather was not so lucky, he was 14 before he was able to escape that family. He had friends tie up a horse, with saddle, saddle bags and a pistol. He snuck out at night, found the horse and lit off for Arkansas. He is listed on the Dawes Rolls at age 8, occupation Farmer. He lived to 1974, long enough for me to actually know him.
Just curious, you said that your grandfather was born to an Irish Father and Chocktaw mother. That would have made your Grandfather half white. Why would the family who took your Grandfather in, be treated like a slave. Was it based on his racial makeup, or was it a case of exploitation regardless of his Chocktaw Irish mix?
@@moonwater2347 From our family lore, it was because of his mixed blood. Still a lot of prejudice at the time against Native Americans and "half-breeds". But once he ran away from that family, he was taken in by a family in Arkansas that was not prejudiced and that treated him well and gave him a good upbringing. He went on to serve in WW1.
@@moonwater2347 I meant to add that we really don't know what the motivation of that family was, sounds like they could have been equal opportunity exploiters. I spoke to my sister that knows more of the family history and she added that the family of my great grandfather's first wife wanted nothing to do with any of his "half-breeds".
Wow! That sounds both terrible and exciting to find out. Did your perspective of yourself change? Or did you just always seem to know, at least vaguely, what happened to him? You have an interesting family history make sure to remember it! God bless you Jesus loves you!
People don't understand the parallels with this, and human trafficking/ child labor...its still so prevalent that people don't realize someone maybe next door or down the street could be being exploited...I worked ( hard work) under the radar as a child...and I was born and raised here in America.
This is becoming very prominent again. Tens of thousands of children that have immigrated to America as unaccompanied minors are now working in factories at night. They are going to school during the day too. So these children are awake around 20 hours a day/night. 8 hours are spent at work and 8 hours are spent at school. It’s so heartbreaking! 💔
@findingbeautyinthepain8965 uh their parents, mother sent them here. So get angry at their families. They should all be sent back to their families. Also, those illegals do business with the cartels.
Why wouldn’t they understand…. Oh wait because they have lied about White Slaves, in the first place. Just as they lied about why Whites got reparations and affirmative actions…. Oh and God. And The Negro in America. American Holocaust I certify to you that with the help of God we shall powerfully enter your country and shall make War against You in All Ways and All Manners that we can and shall subject You to the yoke and obedience of the Church and their Highnesses. We shall take You and Your Wives and Your Children, and shall make Slaves of Them, and as such shall sale and dispose of them as their Highnesses may Command. And we shall take your goods and shall do You all the Mischief and Damage that We can as to vassals who do not obey and refuse to receive their Lord and resist and Contradict him. In practice the Spanish ( European Colonizers) did not usually wait for the Indians to reply to their demands. The Indians were manacled then as it were they were read their rights. ( as one colonist and historian described the routine. After they were put in chains someone read the Requerimiento without knowing their language and without any interpreters, and without either the readers or the Indians understanding the Language they had no opportunity to reply, being immediately carried away Prisoners the Europeans not failing to use the stick on those who did not go fast enough. In this perverse way the invasion and destruction of what many including Columbus thought was a “Heaven On Earth” began! Not that the reading of the Requerimiento was necessary to the inhuman violence the Spanish (European Colonizers and the Church) were to perpetrate against the Indigenous People they confronted. Rather the proclamation was merely a legalistic Rational for the fanatical.......the requerimiento is representatives of the very same standards practiced Policing Today. Columbus and his men shipped thousands of Sun-kissed, Melanin Rich, Aboriginal, Indigenous American Indians to The Islands, To Europe and to Afrika and sold them as Negroes. Negroland is in Afrika and yet we don’t question why?!? And the idea that Europeans continue to both negate and experiment with the existing functioning Cultures is highly offensive. The Meritorious Manumission Act of 1710......In Exchange for EUMELANIN Aboriginal Indigenous American Indian Peace and Freedom. 1) Save the life of Pigment Impaired. 2) Protect the Pigment Impaired. 3) Squeal on The Sun Kissed. 4) Invent something that the Pigment Impaired can make Financial Gain and Power from.
I was uncomfortable with the racism that emphasized how shocking it was that children who looked white were enslaved...but I *loved* the emphasis on how often these children's owners were actually their fathers. Besides the injustice of slavery, it brings in the sheer monstrosity of these men raping women they had complete control over and then considering their own flesh and blood to be merely assets to be exploited or sold. Being a parent should mean being a protector... showing these children and giving the story that reminds the audience that it's not just forced work going on has a shock value related less to their appearance and more "how can their fathers be so uncaring?!"
And that's a case of somebody "selling their own people" way more so than enemy ethnic groups in Africa competing over guns that white slave traders introduced and started an arms race.
I’ve also read stories of white planters keeping a whole other “family” in New Orleans, with a light skinned mistress. They took care of the woman and her kids. There was also racism between light and dark skinned black ppl. I wonder how all the class ratings were kept up with, and why wouldn’t a person who could pass for white move and do so. I’ve also read that Louisiana had different laws regarding slaves because of Spanish to French to American rule. I’ve just gotten into researching my ancestry and trace family to NOLA’ s German coast ( my GGM was of German descent but only spoke French) I also have family descended from the Pointe Coupee area. I wish I could find out more about their daily lives, not just stats.
Your comment brings to mind,unconfirmed stories; that Jefferson freed most of his children he fathered with Sally Hemings, and; sent them to live in Northern cities, where they could “pass as whites”, to escape the certain “hardscrabble life of slavery”, but; that does nothing to exculpate the - so called, “founding fathers” of one of the great evils perpetrated upon a People in the annals of World history!
I have been watching some of your stories and being of Irish and Italian descent,it really hit home.When some of my Irish relatives referred to us as half white while watching Bull Conner sic police dogs dogs on kids my age getting bit by dogs and getting hit water from fire hoses made me wonder if I would be next.That was such an eye opening experience for me plus the cruelty I went through made me swear that when I got older that I would never behave that way towards others.My mom was a good woman(Irish) who would tell me to never believe what her relatives said because they were just ignorant.
There were so many of every race that were enslaved. The North had Irish slaves , and the South had poor white and African slaves. Slavery was and still is a horrific crime against humanity. However, it has been and still is going on for millennias. While the North wanted to end the African Slavery, they still wanted to keep their Irish slaves. They managed to do this by using alternative wording. What I don't understand is that instead of playing victim now, why not fight for those who are still enslaved in other countries and try to save them.
THAT A BUNCH OF BS.. NO ONE WAS CHATTEL SLAVES BUT BLACK PEOPLE. THEY .. CACAZOID RACIST EUROPEANS AND ARABS USED THE BIBLE TO JUSTIFY IT.. EUROPEAN NEVER ENDED IT. THEY JUST CHANGED THE SYSTEM TO A COLONIAL MORE HIDDEN SYSTEM OF EXPLOITATION.. NICE TRY TRYING TO HIDE YOUR EVIL EXISTENCE THAT IS SO WELL DOCUMENTED IT MAKES YOU SOUND CRAZY TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE BUT THE TRUTH. JIM CROW ETC.. AMERKKKA IS A STOLEN EVIL NATION. EUROS AND ARAB RACIST STOLE EVERY NATION THEY LIVE. BACK TO THE CAUCUS MOUNTAINS..
But there was no Irish slavery, they were indentured servants. Slavery was a social caste status, not just a treatment. Even the children in the video, who appear to be White, would have adopted their slave status from their enslaved mothers.
@robertreed9818 they were slaves just like black ones ! At the same time over in Europe whites were taken from their towns and city's and sold to the Muslims and men were castrated just like the black slaves look up Islamic slave trade and u will get a better understanding what slavery was about and why it wasn't about race !
I don’t think it’s complicated. It’s really simple. The abolitionist used what they had to achieve a goal. They knew their audience and used what would work. It would have been silly and a waste of time using a strategy that wasn’t as effective. The Quaker’s were against slavery. Didn’t stop or overturn it. The other side used the Bible to justify it. The abolitionist weren’t starting from zero. They understood what would work. Remember the movie “A Time to KILL”. A black girl was raped beat and left for dead. She survived. Her father then killed the men who did it and he was on trial for murder. At the end the lawyer went through the entire ordeal the black girl suffered in detail and ended with saying now imagine she was white. It worked. In essence, this is what the abolitionist were going for and just like in the movie, it worked.
Lincoln told the author of Uncle Tom’s Cabin (largest selling book in American history at the time) “so you’re the little lady who wrote the book that caused this Great War.” This video is revisionist history citing white slaves as the cause for the shift in attitudes.
Another layer of calculus could have been: "What if a bounty hunter who chase after runaways in the Northern states mistake my kids for their bounties? What if a less honest one decide to cut the middleman and abduct one of my kids to sell them directly in the South? This is getting out of hand, shut up and take my money!"
That was an argument. Sally Muller was a German girl whose family immigrated to Lousiana and died while she was an infant. Young Sally was then picked up as a slave.
I had to use these photos to educate my own mother on slavery. A few years ago some politicians said we should go back to slavery and my mom started saying this. My heart was devastated. I had to try to reach her and prove that her own husband, kids, grandkids, & great grandchildren were all subjected to slavery due to the one drop rule and our family history. It’s a shame when you still have to fight for freedoms some people take for granted without ever considering what they have. Educate everyone about our past when you can!!
Or that Irish was slaves in America first .. and that only 3% of America owned slaves and out of that 3% over 3,775 slave owners where black and out of the 2 million slave in America over 300,000 of them where white. Racist people love to make it about race too but it’s always been about class
@@KingAries85 That is not correct. Irish were indentured servants not slaves. They were forced to work to pay off debts and often times they were paid and were not treated at all like enslaved black people. Once their debt was paid they could leave. Black enslaved worked until their death and their children for generations. I need people to understand that American enslavement of Black people was the most violent and cruelest form of slavery and lasted 250 years including rape and selling of family members separating many forever. As for Black people who owned slaves many of the Black people who were listed as enslavers actually bought their own family members to free them not to own them. Because family members were sold all over the south and the only choices they have was buying them back or helping them escape. Slavery was a caste system but it was a calculated system that was indeed based on race. Even if you looked white if you had any black ancestry and you were born from an enslaved person you were considered a slave
"It's a shame when you still have to fight for freedoms some people take for granted." You say, "STILL have to fight for freedoms." Currently, what freedoms are you fighting for?
@@bunnybird9342 As long as the indentured servant was under contract, they were a slave as they had no freedoms. They did not get their freedoms back until they fulfilled their contract. Not to much of a difference. I know you want to own 100% of the victim card but it's not going to happen.
As an Appalachian, I've long linked the stereotypes against non-whites and "hillbillies", who were mostly Scots-Irish and Irish and were (usually) forcibly brought to the new world as indentured servants, then eventually pushed to the new western frontier of Appalachia by colonies who no longer had use for them. It's also why so many married Native Americans, because both were outsiders. I don't have statistics for all of Appalachia, but in the Kentucky portion, 90% of people with ancestors there at least five generations have some Native American blood, and it's almost always a mix with Scots-Irish,Irish, or both.
If you look into the history of the Irish and the native Americans there is a strong bond there. Natives helped Irish out and Ireland returned the favor. ❤
Thanks for sharing these photos of enslaved children in such an endearing and compassionate way. You've presented a reality that most of us were unaware of.
I wonder if the abolitionists who used these white slave children as propaganda used them solely as a means to an end, knowing the kind of reaction they would illicit from white, northern audiences or if they themselves also empathized more with the white slaves? It reminds me of the final courtroom scene in “A Time to Kill” where Matthew McConaughey’s character asked the jury to imagine the little black victim as a white girl instead. Even as a child, the idea that the jurors could only see the humanity of a little girl as long as she was white, was a sad to me. Like it had not crossed their minds that pain is pain no matter upon whom it is inflicted.
You’re probably right. From their perspective, a black child isn’t human and the only way to humanize them is to make it “personal”. Really tells you the lack of empathy during that time.
I mean, all you gotta do is read a history book. It’s pretty common knowledge that only 3% of America owns slaves. The Irish were the first slaves in America out of 3% 7000 slave owners were black out of the 2 million slaves in America over 330,000 of them where white
James Mink a rich Canadian married to a Irish immigrant tried to buy his daughter a rich white husbnd and she ended up sold into slavery in America. It took the UK government to get his daughter back.
GT, the one drop rule did not exist in the ante-bellum South... It was a 20th Cty invention. here is a wiki excerpt from an 1895 SC speech by a Confederate veteran -turned-politician speaking AGAINST banning interracial marriages.... >>>>....It is a scientific fact that there is not one full-blooded Caucasian on the floor of this convention[SC LEGISLATURE]. Every member has in him a certain mixture of ... colored blood ... It would be a cruel injustice and the source of endless litigation, of scandal, horror, feud, and bloodshed to undertake to annul or forbid marriage for a remote, perhaps obsolete trace of Negro blood. The doors would be open to scandal, malice, and greed....
It also shows that even with such a law in place, human beings still find a way to favor one characteristic over another. On the books, they may have been mulatto but in practice, such as the fundraising effort, their appearance garnered the support of other White citizens.
I agree with your comment that this topic is difficult, and uncomfortable, however; your temperament, and approach to telling these many stories is quite proper - with the right touch and care that they deserve. Your presentations put faces and names on “sacred stories” that need to be uncovered and told about the misdeeds of the past. *Perhaps somewhere between heaven and purgatory these souls are comforted that their stories are being retold and brought to life 150 to 200 years in the future to a new. fascinated, and caring global audience and you are are the ideal medium.
A brief study on the etymology of the word "slave" will reveal that the word originally refers to the "Slavic" people who the Moors took by the millions from the coasts of Europe and put them into bondage throughout Asia, Africa, and America.
Empathy correlating with how much someone looks like you is still very much in play today. It wasn't difficult for me to hear this because I knew from a young age that only a child like JonBenet Ramsey could inspire such long-lasting sorrow and fascination for her tragic death. Same with Natalie Holloway and many others. I admire the abolitionists' understanding of the human heart and using it to their advantage. It helped to free my ancestors.
There are theories that humans feel this way due to needing to survive when we were tribal. The theory is that when a group of unrecognized people is approaching a tribe, the tribe can see whether the approaching people look like their tribe, to know if they were safe or not. If the approaching group looked like their tribe, they would assume they were part of it and let them be. If the approaching people looked different than the tribe, they would assume they were unsafe and kill them. It is theorized this is still in our DNA and causes people to care more for people who look like them. As a child who grew up in and out of the hospital, I have witnessed nurses of every races leaving a child’s hospital room crying and saying, “They look just like my child.” It really, really sucks that every person has it engrained in them that someone who looks similar to someone they care about is more worthy of being healthy, being free, having a loving family, not living in poverty, not being abused, or whatever it may be. I can remember seeing those nurses and thinking, “I have the same condition. What about me?” I can’t even imagine how the dark skinned siblings felt when their light skinned siblings were freed from slavery and they weren’t! They had to say, “What about me!?” 💔😡😭
@@findingbeautyinthepain8965 you are totally right, yet let's remember also how many people love other people and raise children no matter their skin tone or features. It's an habit or a trait , the look alike tribalism, but it's not a curse . Plenty of people live without this bias. And let's also remember that discrimination and indifference hit ultra-hard among people of same ethnicity and all. Humankind is a complicated thing. Making it work for the better is a full time job.
@@findingbeautyinthepain8965 this ought to be actively explained to young children with the coda, but now we are modern humans this is rarely if ever needed because it is no longer needed unless we are actually in a situation of immediate danger. We are a mature enough species to understand that we no longer live in a kind of world where such a response is needed all the time. I mean if you do have visible difference you can still spot people profiling you on all sorts of levels, as if you were potentially dangerous, but actually there is no threat, and such peop”e are barely aware they are doing it. If people understand their own behaviours and why they are there then we can start to change things. We do not need to be that kind of tribal! Some tribalism IS useful, but not this one, mostly.
@@findingbeautyinthepain8965I’m a white woman who grew up in La. We lived in the country and had black neighbors and white. I worked with a black girl who was very dark skinned, when she had a baby she brought her to my house to visit. The baby immediately took to me and I commented on it. She said the at the baby had to stay a little while longer in the hospital and all the nurses were white so she really liked white women. She even said that the baby kinda didn’t like her mom and she thinks that it was because she was dark.
Hi Danielle. Good to see you. Thanks for another topic of interest in Slavery and the abolitionist movement. The horrors of black people slavery and others were vastly different especially when you’re thought of less than human, an animal even. These thoughts are generational even today. The Abolitionist Movement beliefs during Slavery were not all the same. I’m glad you have found the proof of this in your exploration of Slavery and its path to racism and prejudice in America.
The house servants were more protected because they protected the slave masters children, they didn't blame the children for their situation, they were more loyal than indentured servants from Europe 🤔
Blacks are the only group that will FIGHT over wanting to be the “most oppressed”. Everyone else just moved on. Meanwhile it was their own kind putting them on ships!
Empathy is given easier, when the person looks like you. I can understand how they fundraised easier. It is no different now.( when you fundraise). Marketing does manipulate based on the “ majority’s” idea of beauty/ perfection.
Speaking of a hierarchy of worthiness, I find it is manifested in "Uncle Tom's Cabin". Harriet Beecher Stowe was describing darker skinned slaves as less intelligent and capable, and lighter skinned slaves as brighter and harder working, and arguably suggesting these lighter slaves were more deserving of freedom. Possibly, some abolitionists may have been playing the long game, hoping to overcome issues like the "One Drop" rule to begin with. These stereotypes were likely prevalent at the time, but how much did Stowe's writings strengthen these stereotypes?
That's a reflection of the choices made, in those days. Lighter skin and higher intelligence (to be expected, for slaves with a larger proportion of European ancestry than their darker skinned counterparts) did generally confer household duty. Darker skin and lower intelligence was typically associated with field work and harder manual labor.
@@BodilessVoice I wasn't there, but I think it would be accurate to assume that the lighter skinned slaves working in the house (often blood relatives of the master's family) had greater access to some education, whereas field hands had little such opportunity. Conflating intelligence with educational opportunity is a flawed analogy.
Growing up in the south during the 80s and 90s, I am not surprised by those photos at all. The sad thing is we have regressed so far I bet these photos would blow kids minds.
A lot of Latin American Period soap operas and work of literature touch on this subject. Isaura is the one I am familiar with, and there were many perspectives on the issue at the time. You had people who only thought white passing should be allowed freedom, others challenging that idea of what makes one skin color more worthy than the other, and people who believed people born into slavery should remain slaves. Another movie that shocked me growing up is Angelitos Negros, which translates to Little Black Angels. A white passing woman didn't know her slave/servant was her mother. She had a black baby and mistreated her child because the child was born black. The parts for that stood out for me when i was a child watching the movie were how the white passing mother treated her daughter, the daughter's trauma (trying to turn her skin white so her mother could love her), and the mother killing her servant-mother by pushing her down the stairs.
Again I am learning so much from your work that I would probably never looked at on my own. I am from Louisiana and have seen things in your videos that I saw as a child but did not know what I was looking at when I was very young. Traveling around south Louisiana with my grandfather when I was 9 or 10 years old his interactions with people seemed as if he was part of the culture even though he was born in Ancona Sicily. He looked and sounded like he was from there and at times would speak french to someone to prevent me from understanding. Thanks so much for opening my eyes to the reality of so many different cultures, I think this kind of work will bring us all as humans so much closer to each other so we can recognize we are not that different.
The beginnings of Colorism for Black people. Black families split and hating each other due to skin color. And let’s not forget the mothers who were most likely concubines of the men who are these children’s father. I just found my family who left my family to pass. Too long to explain my feelings about that here.
Yes.This was intentionally done by the slave masters to separate and cause division and hate within the black race. Used as a means to control them and get them to tell on each other. Playing Evi psychological mind games with people's very existence.
@@user-Mimi622 I'm looking forward to the day when we all just view each other as the human race. My father-in-law was a fair-skinned Mexican. But his children had their mother's darker skin. He didn't want them playing outside and getting tan. It drove me crazy that when my daughter went anywhere with her grandparents, he had her in mismatched clothes because he would put on the top with the longest sleeve and the longest shorts and they were from different outfits. I don't understand how people can feel bad towards their own family for being darker or lighter than them. As for passing relatives, I think they did what they thought was best, not necessarily for themselves, but more so for their offspring. I can't blame them in a world where it could be dangerous to have dark skin. It had to be a huge sacrifice for many of them to lose contact with their families though. What a sacrifice! They were in a no-win situation.
Africa would still be normal if your friends the arab-muslim didnt colonise steal and take 17m black people the the other countries wouldnt of been rtarded and got involved plus not to mention wouldnt of gone to africa 😂
Yes and no. In the Boot it brought us high yellow folk together. I’m a Simien but grew up in Cali however I return yearly because St Landry is home, we still speak french and many other languages it’s a beautiful thing. We also don’t use color we ask, “who’s Grandma or Paw paw” or “what’s ur last name. BRB..😂”
This reminds me of the conflict in Ukraine and Russia when the reporter said "this shouldn't be happening to people that look like us". Disheartening to see that the same mentality still exists.
I think we need to back up and think. Now before we dissect this, food for thought: I'm native American and white. My mother's white ancestors were strict abolitionists, in the south, who fought for the north during the Civil War. Family history told me that they could understand and empathize with people that didn't look like them. They claimed slave owners couldn't. So they used these tactics to show how ludicrous their arguments were. We see the same ideation today: people can't empathize with those who don't look like they do. Today they want to rewrite history to say only whites owned slaves. Truth is blacks owned blacks. Natives owned blacks. Back then they knew better. It wasn't a black VS white thing to abolitionists of the time. It was ideologies. They targeted black plantation owners or natives with the same vigor. My native ancestors who were against slavery were selectively removed. The ones who had plantations were left unmolested prior to the civil war.
She doesnt do very well with her research. It is mis information over load. She never expands past some propaganda she found on the internet. YOU can tell she has not done any true examination of the subject. It is sad to listen to her feed the white liberal guilt with half truths.
Don’t you just love how people didn’t consider black people as full human beings and didn’t think slavery was bad until someone that looked like them was considered a slave? Yeah me too 🤔🤔
And most whites still feel that way.If it doesn't affect Them in any way,they have zero empathy or patience or tolerance for black folks plight or sufferings,and all the wrongdoings and injustices and atrocities that have been done,and continues to be done in some capacities,still to THIS Day.
They did know that these people were "black," though. I think those relatively few Northerners who did not oppose interracial marriage in the mid-19th century believed that miscegenation could, in time, "erase" the black phenotype, and render everyone "white." That, so they thought, would solve America's racial problem once and for all. (That, or relocating the freed slaves to Africa or Canada or Mexico.)
This is still going on today. Most Europeans here are only speaking up because their middle class is being devoured as well.. when it was just the lower class alot more were willing to ignore the outcries of inequality.. I dont trust alot of people at this point my race or any other. To many lies.
@@SeasideDetective2that idea was always amusing because that does not get rid of your race problem The race problem that they have is that they are racist Turning everyone white through breeding or moving the black people elsewhere does not get rid of your race problem
Absolutely superlative dissertation, thank you Danielle! I wasn't aware that these photos existed let alone were used as propaganda by abolitionists. Personally I cannot presume that they (the abolitionists and their supporters) were outraged or made to feel fearful simply because some of these slave children looked "white" or "European". Abolitionists came from all place and manner. Each person has their own fears, morals, aspirations and personal red line... and the bottom line in this case IS that it worked, for the most worthy of causes. And I agree, these questions touch back to the Jesus paintings debate. Humans have been wired since the dawn of man to have loyalty, sympathy and respect for those who look/sound/act the most like we do. It was a necessary part of survival. The great thing about videos like this is that it allows the listener to ponder whether they also openly or subconsciously feel that pang of fear or outrage only when it affects their "tribe", and if so, it keeps this amazing dialog happening. 🥰
What is most disturbing about this establishment of heirarchy is there is no mention of little girls in particular growing up to be young women, and how their mothers and grandmothers had progressed towards whiteness. Girls in particular as objects of purity and innocence. Honestly there is something really uncomfortable about this without the moral questioning of how they came into existence. Noticeably few boys except the silky haired kind…. This honestly reminds me of how we treat animals as pets, thereby taking away their rights to have and enjoy freedom. These little girls are symbolic tokens of whiteness, and though some of their promoters no doubt had a kind of good or better intention for those times, it shows just how the justifications work. The female forbears of these children were almost certainly the products of serial master/slave abuse, where were the exhortations to explore that in the context of the whiteness of the pious, prosperous and powerful? Actually looking at the way these little girls are being presented makes me feel more than a little queasy. No mention at all of their families fate, just that mention of having a mulatto mother. As marriage would not even have been legal for many of the mothers the hypocrisy is huge. I dare say a great many people would have been happy to bring a white appearing child into their household as a companion, or maid, or somesuch, which back then was still not a guarantee of independence, or having a life that child could call their own. The luckier ones might be educated alongside the children of the household, and maybe get to be a governess or teacher at best. Or they could eventually pass…. Which effectively would mean segregation from their own families. The sales pitch was to salve the consciences of white people, not to improve the lives of the children. Or to give them the equal rights that not just they, but the generations of their families actually deserved, because even in the north there were plenty of problems brewing in that respect.
I have a great great grandfather who had a white father and an enslaved mother. We don't know how much black she was, and my grandma referred to her as his concubine. My Ancestry DNA test didn't show Sub-Saharan, but a relative that did 23&me shows 6%. I find your videos very interesting.
IF you grandfather had children with a black woman and you were a product of that relationship, then there is no way you would only have 6% Sub Saharan African in you. Do the math. Your great-grandfather was a rapist like my mother's great-grandfather. He had four children with Queen. She went on to marry after emancipation she went on to have 10 other children with Mr Brown. You know why you dont know about her? She was not part of your family. I see Queen as a victim in this but your people do not see that poor woman as a victim who had NO choice in that relationship with that man.
@@MamaKatt I think it would have been her 3rd great grandmother, so she very well could show none while a sibling or cousin did. We get 50% of our DNA from each parent, but not necessarily 25% from each grandparent. Although not likely, technically, your parent could pass on 50% from his mother and none from his father. Siblings can have a very different mixture, which explains why one sibling might have lighter skin or darker hair than the other. It's a gene lottery! Over several generations, the difference could be very large.
@@rroadmapDo we get 32 or 64 3rd great-grandparents? Either way, because of recombination, there’s a chance subsaharan DNA could be lost in the shuffle.
@@conniepayne4425 32. If the genes were passed on equally on each generation and the 3rd great-grandmother was 100% African (a big assumption), you would assume that the 2nd -great-grandparent would be 50%, the great-grandparent would be 25%, the grandparent would be about 12-1/2% and the parent would be 6-1/4%, and the poster would be about 3%. But, like I said, that's not how it works. That many generations away, there would almost certainly be times where the genes were not passed evenly. My two first cousins who have tested are from different parents and have the same percentage as each other, but it is 3 times the percentage than I have.
@@MamaKatt Wouldn't the children have stayed with the mother? I always thought children of slave women took the status of the mother. Not many people know much about their 3rd great-grandparents though unless they do genealogy.
Yeah I agree, the slavery that goes on today in this country keeps me up at night. Google how many children are missing, just under Biden’s admin, 88,000 children are missing from the open border (not American children, non American children). We have thousands of American children disappearing every year, and now we have just over the same number of children that came over the border under Obama in 8years, missing under biden in under 4. A lot went missing under O, DHS found some working as slaves on egg farms, 12 hour days… others sold into sex slavery. DNA tests helped protect those children to make sure the adults bringing them were actually their own parent, but that stopped… the pedofilia going on is rampant. This is the tip of the iceberg
My grandpa said that his relatives came over as Scottish indentured slaves. However we don't have any Scottish in our genealogy. So I don't know if it never happened or maybe they were Irish instead.
There was a lot of migration, forced and unforced, between Scotland and Ireland over the last few thousand years. So there is a high likelihood those relatives traveled from Scotland, but weren't of a Scottish gene pool as recognized by a genealogical site. Many of them were indigent, regardless of which side of the Irish Sea they were transplanted to, so it is possible they could have ended up as indentured servants.
There is no such thing as an indentured slave It is an endangered servant and being a slave and an indentured servant is not the same slaves had no rights while indentured servants had rights You cannot just beat and rape a indentured servant and if you do so they can sue you and most of the time they won the lawsuit if not all the time And the simple that indenture servants had a certain amount of time that they had to serve and that If indentured servants had children their children are not indentured servants They are free children unlike slaves who have children their childrens are slaves And not to even mention a racial difference how alive was vastly better for Scottish and Irish people then black people
@@zur2016 Wow, thank you for correcting someone else's error made while typing (it was obvious to me what the original post meant). Maybe you should do some more editing on your own post, Captain Obvious!
@@owensomers8572 It was nothing for unintelligent ignorant people like you It was for the simple fact that some people do call them indentured slaves because some people think indentured servants and slaves were the same thing Maybe you should think before making it erratic emotional unintelligent response
Thank you for your content andI feel like you're helping to break down barriers. I hope you end up on Joe Rogan or Modern Wisdom podcast, your message is worthy. PS will you be making videos about the Argentina population? That would be a fun topic.
When I see white appearing enslaved children I do react more than I do the dark complected children. That being said when I see pictures of slaves, I get angry even if I know that at this point there is nothing one can do. Most Northerners don't know all that much about the South. I certainly didn't until I spent time in the South. I took job in Memphis, TN, in June 2007 and my first reaction on the first morning I was there was to wonder how anyone could work outside in the Summer heat. I thought about the suffering of field workers. I do wonder about the ethics of showing only attractive light skinned children, but we must recognize that many societies value lighter skin over darker skin. If you pay at least some attention to Asian pop music, you would notice that Asian pop stars are lighter skinned and usually a bit taller than the average Asian. Within the black community in the US there has been something called the paper bag test. Spike Lee in 'School Daze' satirized the color issues on campuses of historically black colleges. If you look at black female actresses and singers who were popular in the 1940, their photographs made them appear quite light skinned. I am thinking of Lena Horne and Dorothy Dandridge. Photographs can give a confusing image. If you look at black and white photos of Edward Brooke, he appears quite light skinned, but in a color portrait in Wikipedia his complexion looks a bit darker than I remember.
Being African American woman over seventy, these very light skinned So call blk people are not new to me. My father was a Mulatto; I am more brown because of my Mother's darker complexion. When I was a child, there was an elderly woman who used to visit our Church, her skin was very light complexion like the lighter elderly sister on the left. I thought she was white, one day my mother told me she was a colored woman, term used back then. They come under the One drop Rule at that time. One drop of black blood even you could pass, you were considered black.Yes they and the others would be a Slave also, Mainly a house Slave in most Cases. Very Common during that time.
You have been coming through!! ever since your journey with your experiences with learning about your family. This in particular is a really mind boggling topic. It's interesting that they show these pictures of what essentially look like white children but who may have some African ancestry and therefore deemed Black based on the one drop rule, like you are alluding to in this video.. I wonder if this type of propaganda really had to happen because they knew that specially white northern people, still being white from this country , though separate from the south , yet still White had to have this imagery propaganda thrown their way in order to get the message home because they still didn't feel any connectedness with people who are obviously of African descent and I feel like that still hasn't changed to this day, white people in observation as well as studies ,usually only feel a connectedness to people who look like them more readily than those different from them phenotypically, this is no different from when you were talking about the Jesus imagery. It's like really sad to realize that only people can only be reached by getting your point across if usually they the model looks like them or the people who are being inflicted only look like them instead of saying genuinely anybody that is suffering. I see this still unfortunately being a huge factor today. I can't help but think this is the main motive of those type of pictures advertisements going on during slavery,to show that this country only has a heart when people really look like them smh
Unfortunately, this doesn’t just happen with white people. People of every race care more about people who look like them. Look at what is going on in the Middle East. When Israel was bombed, white Americans were so angry over children being killed. But once Palestine children started being killed, white people went silent, and mostly Arab and other brown people were infuriated. I haven’t seen large amounts of American Arabs or brown Americans crying for the Jewish children. I also haven’t seen large amounts of white people crying for the Arab children. Why can’t Americans get past looks, race, culture, and religion, and just see innocent children!? It’s so heartbreaking!
I think you are judging White people as a group, when they are individuals. It's no better than judging Blacks as a group. Not all White people can't empathize with other races. And I think this is one reason why racial relations have gotten worse after getting better for years. Whites who are not prejudiced resent being grouped and accused of feeling or acting a way they didn't feel or act--reverse prejudice. I feel like President Obama divided us by acting like race relations were way worse than they were and cops were out to get "Black folks". It should have been obvious that if more than half the country elected him, it wasn't such a big problem. We were moving in the right direction. A huge number of Whites voted for him because Blacks make up only 13% of the population and they don't all vote. And most of the people who didn't vote for him had political differences, not racial prejudice. I voted for Ben Carson in the primary and so did many of my White friends. I grieve for every little Black child who is in a bad situation. My daughter taught in a predominantly Black school for 9 years. She would still be there except her son wasn't being treated well by his classmates and she wanted her children in the same school were she taught. I bought food, school supplies, coats, shoes, underwear, clothes, books, backpacks, etc. for her students in need. Sometimes I couldn't really afford it, but I bought it on my credit card because I couldn't stand the thought of a child going hungry or staying inside at recess because he didn't have a coat or had holes in his shoes. But it seems like I cared more for those children than some of their own mothers. I had to start cutting the tags out of clothes and writing their names in their shoes in permanent marker because mothers would take them back to the store and get the money for them. But I don't judge the whole race for what they did. Some parents loved their kids and did what they could to help them succeed. I have Black friends who are dear to my heart. My daughter's best friend is Black. Please don't judge us by the color of our skin.
I had wealthy land owning family here in usa and they would pay for a ship ticket and say u can work it off and then never let the relative leave the slavery situation. Thanks for ur videos, very good and well done
My daughters look like Danielle the same as my aunts and some of my uncles. My kids were taught young what happened to people that looked like them especially women internationally even when it came to the aborigines of Australia the half caste children and what happened to them and what their mothers went through
As most white appearing slave children would have been conceived between a white slave owner and a young slave mother. To "rescue" such a child would have usually removed the child from its mother and potentially permanently separate them. Of course, the mother could be purchased with the child but that would have been very uncommon. What a mess this was.
You can see this same preference for people who “look like us/ live like us etc” in the outpouring of support for Ukraine and for Paris in the wake of terror attacks, whereas the same sort of tragedies happen in other parts of the world and doesn’t even make it to the media, or if it does people don’t identify as strongly with the suffering. I do think there’s something baked into human nature from eons ago, but it doesn’t make it right & I think we should do all we can to educate ourselves and be aware of our biases.
Thank you for dropping this. I'm gonna get in touch with you somehow. I have another channel that I just started a backup channel that I want to get up and running. It has a lot to do with this and indigenous past, thank you so much for this! -I will be in touch with you soon! 🙏PEACE ✌ 💕✌️🪶🙏
Very interesting. I love what you’re doing. As far as the philosophical question of whether the means matters more than the outcome, the American institution of race based slavery was so cruel and illogical that I do not believe that the means matters more than the outcome, especially in this case. For instance, a main reason there were so many enslaved people who were white was because their owners raped their mothers. While paternity is usually how we determine the rights of children, they quickly decided that the enslaved mothers had to pass their slavery on to their children. This is completely against the traditions of the cultures that created American slavery, but they didn’t care about tradition as it turns out. Can’t wait for more of your perspective.
@@BodilessVoice I honestly cannot remember where the point about forsaking tradition when it’s convenient came from in my reading, but I know I read “Tales from the Haunted South: Dark Tourism and Memories of Slavery the Civil War Era” by Tiya Miles recently for research for one of my videos. She makes a lot of great points.
Before England, France, & then USA made slavery illegal many Europeans were no strangers to slavery, from Barbary slavery to indentured servitude in USA, sex slaves in USA both white & black, children and their parents, both recently freed or promised new skills and a new life were here and they were forced to work, under apprenticeships, and never paid. 1938 the senate passed the 1st labor law that got us to where we are today. You ask if it was unethical to use a child that looked much like the audience they targeted, and I say that many people feel representation matters, although some of us don’t need it to know right from wrong, people the world over are divided by color, religion, nationality, and enslave and fight one another… the only common ground must be highlighted in order for this generation of people to wake up and feel motivated to do something. I wish you many years of study. Your heart is in the right place. Please keep bringing up more history to the forefront .
2 little known facts : Until 1804 by law a slave had to be freed after 7 years of enslavement. Class not just skin color played a large part in the chance of being enslaved .
Sources, please. Hmmm..it appears that you are trying to subtly conflate, white, indentured servitude with African chattel hereditary slavery. A cynical tactic by white nationalists to downplay the horrors of the transatlantic slave trade with their whataboutery agenda. Remember, indentured servitude was often VOLUNTARY and they had more basic rights, unlike chattel slavery, which was not by choice...
@@bunnybird9342 these children were not indentured servants. They were considered tainted and part of the "inferior" black race because of their black ancestry, they were born enslaved under the laws of the land. They were not white Europeans who came as indentured servants, something that many people are confusing them with.
14:00 I'm sure that the abolitionists took advantage of the fact that white Northerners were more sympathetic to people who looked like their own. I'm glad that they did so. It seems right and proper to me that the natural horror of bad things happening to "our own" should in this way be extended to others who are not "ours."
In the case of Fannie, she's still being exploited on sites like "find a slave"(I call it that for the reason they get people to do all the work photographing and cataloging graves and just sit back and collect money from add units, Two years ago I took 10k photos in 2 weeks which exposed the site in many ways)as people have made a whole profile of her grave but the gravesite and details of her life are unknown. She died young, got married had 2 kids before 1895. I still contend that she and the other girls did not have to be mulatos(as they could have been called)in order to be classified as nonwhite. The very word slave comes from Slav and all those people tan really well but just the same someone from Ireland usually does, others from England don't necessary either but were put in chains during colonial times and spirited away to the new world and elsewhere. I don't know what year it was but before the civil war slave traders got laws passed that prohibited the breeding of slaves because it interfered with their business. That's how a lot of these kids come about, that and the brown sugar aspect of slave owners fooling around with the help. Celtic people are some of the palest around but there are plenty of others who used to not see them as white. They probably still dont. Lot of these elitists practiced incest because they had such prejudice. Look who's coming to dinner took on a whole new meaning when Harry brought a chick from LA home ha!
The truth is my dear is modern day slavery definition is You trade your time for money so whom ever the employer is they are the master and you are the servant. Thats how the 1% solved the end of slavery and still where able to make their money. Thats why everything cost so much!!
Rosa Downs is ALSO in the portrait (on far right) of the three children shown right at the 7:45 mark just before the solo 'Rosa Downs' solo portrait is shown. Look for yourself. It's the same girl in both photos. Digging your research.
Absolutely wonderful work, have you made any content on the transition of indentured labour to fully slave status? I have read some information that states that originally the African Slaves were treated on a par with European Indentured labour and could earn their freedom once the indentured period was up, then the owners got greedy and revoked that aspect, easily enough done since the laws were passed by the rich landowners, and escaped Africans were easier to identify and apprehend than white escapees. Eventually they made it almost impossible for a former slave to be freed or educated.
If you're referring to US slavery, it seems unlikely that they had that opportunity in the beginnings. When I even think about their treatment on the slave ship and the harshness of chattel slavery, it seems unlikely that they started as indentured servants
Around 1705 slavery replaced Indentured servitude in Virginia as far as Black folks were concerned. The main difference between indentured slavery and full slavery was that the indentured service was a contract with a set number of years, the death rates and abuse rates were high, and both were a form of slavery. The first Black slaves were indentured for the cost of kidnapping and transporting them and had the same right to eventual freedom as the kidnapped Irish and Scots indentured servants who were often grabbed by the Government soldiers and dragged onto the ships. In the 1600 hundreds some Black indentured slaves achieved freedom, the main difference was that white freed persons could blend into the rest of the population the black ones stood out, and when the white indentured labour sources dried up the Virginia government, run by the rich planters passed laws to prevent Black servants from gaining their freedom, then they passed laws that declared any black person that had no actual manumission papers was automatically a slave, which led to children of freed black indentured servants being grabbed and sold since they had no papers of manumission, if you were black you were a slave unless you could prove otherwise.@@mickey10jb80
@@brendacooper5729through a little research, I see now that this is somewhat of a controversial topic in the historian world. I see articles that state what you just said but I also see a lot that say they were never truly indentured servants and basically were already being treated as slaves and they say there is evidence(although I didn't dive into it) that race already started to play a role shortly after 1619. It would be interesting to see documents and evidence from both sides. This is an interesting and good topic although I don't see the significance to the overall picture as it pertains to the 400 years that followed regardless of which is true.
I learned that this is still a marketing strategy today with some organizations such as children hospitals. I’ve seen these pictures before but I didn’t know the story behind them. I didn’t know it was propaganda used by abolitionist. I think it was a good strategy. I guess it may have helped to a certain degree.
Children’s Hospitals and organizations like Make a Wish definitely use propaganda to make their patients seem more diverse than they actually are. Sone children’s hospitals still have old photographs of mostly white children on their walls. That being said, they literally hire a photographer to come take pictures of the actual children in the hospital. If the hospital is in a white area, the result is mostly white patients. But, now a days, hospitals will write a number of how many kids of each race or disability they want, in order to look more diverse. So if a black child or a child with Down’s syndrome is admitted to the hospital, they will call their photographer in to try to get pictures. To me, this is propaganda, because they make it seem like their patients are more diverse than they actually are. It’s like they want brownie points for looking diverse, when they aren’t, because the population around the hospital is 98% white.
a part of history I never heard about till today. Thank you. I think it was working because 1. it removed the veil of color they were looking through, and 2. It was seen through parental eyes or made them vulnerable, so to speak. In a nutshell, it would seem that skin color alone had to be the biggest issue for a majority because remove that and get traction? I suppose propaganda occasionally has it's place afterall.
Child slavery is the spirit of Molech operating in the earth. Its been going on since the Mayan and Incan times, child sacrifice. Grieves my heart, still going on today...child traffiking
An interesting tie in to your video can be the film Free State of Jones. The film mostly takes place during the Civil War, but there are scenes off the top of my head possibly in the 1960s. It's a descendant of the main character of the movie. That white man married and fathered kids with a black woman. Fast forward some generations ... the guy in the 60s couldn't marry a white girl because he was considered black even though he looked very white.
@ 11:13. I disagree with your perception that a black child wouldn't have successfully fundraise. We literally fought a war over it. After years of attempting to legislate it away. At the time of 1855 there were already huge debates over slavery. 1854 was the establishment of the Nebraska territory were slavery was outlawed.
Not to mention that the USA fought a war over it while it was still totally legal and practiced in much of the world. William Wilberforce started a campaign in the UK forcing an end to the slave trade in West Africa, in which the UK sent ships over to patrol the coasts and fight tribes that were enslaving people, putting an end to it, despite much resistance. Before this, the slave trade had been going on for over 1000 years within Africa.
Not to mention that the USA fought a war over it while it was still legal and practiced in much of the world. William Wilberforce started a campaign in the UK forcing an end to the slave trade in West Africa, in which the UK sent ships over to patrol the coasts and fight locals that were enslaving people, putting an end to it, despite much resistance. Before this, the slave trade had been going on for over 1000 years in Africa.
@@zane62135 they did not put an end to it, just renamed and rebranded what they were doing and moved the focus of their enterprises to a different part of the world. After all America was now independent. There are numerous people”es around the world whose histories attest to this.
I grew up being loved and loving the wonderful black women that helped raise me, nothing but love. As an attorney, I always helped an elderly black lady. She said to me that she was my black mother. She wanted to leave her home to me. I would not let her. When she died no one would pay for her funeral.i did. Lots of Love in the past.
I want to introduce you NYTN and the audience to Joel Augustus Rogers, a Jamaican-American author, journalist, and historian known for his work in documenting the contributions of people of African descent to world history, especially *"Nature Knows No Color-Line"* (1952) - This book explores the history and contributions of people of African descent throughout the world. "100 Amazing Facts About the Negro with Complete Proof" (1934) - A collection of historical and cultural facts about Black people, *World's Great Men of Color"* three vol 1 2 & 3(1946) - A comprehensive series of books in which Rogers profiles and discusses the accomplishments of people of African descent in various field, you would probably like volume three as it dealt with more the United States, how ridiculous the one drop rule worked or didn't, some of those pics are in his books, leading families who had a bit of that one drop thing going on, It may be a little dated, based on what "race" was supposed to be before the era of genetics, so it's not without criticism, but that's the beauty of it, he often brings receipts, I generally shared your upload on Quora Spaces.
@@Gemtiger614 True...but the chances are much higher. Look at Meaghan Markle's children. No doubt they will look like these children in the pictures and truly pass for white
@Gemtiger614 Nobody who is Black as midnight can produce a child that looks Caucasian, only light skin "Black" people can do that with a White person .
Human DNA is geared to bond with the familiar. The abolitionists had to search for all the tools in the box to find a connection. Even today, in different situations, humans tend to connect or not connect with an issue.
Not only were there children of slave owners, who were half white (or more), born into slavery, but in the 1700's there were completely Caucasian persons who were basically sold into slavery, called "indentured servitude", in America, for crimes committed in the United Kingdom. They usually had a term limit to their punishment, but they had the same standing as black slaves-for-life. ⛓
This analysis is very applicable of what is happening in Palestine. People (mostly white) support Israel because they look like them, while Palestinians are dehumanised because they are middle Eastern. When they see Palestinians that look eurocentric they are more convinced.
Netanyahu could easily pass for a Palestinian. Many Israelis and Palestinians can pass for each other. I used to have a doctor who was born in Syria, and who resembled Netanyahu quite a bit. I never told him that, of course. :D
@jdee3421 Benjamin Netanyahu looks like a White Man, he does not look like a Brown Man. He is not Brown like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Osama Bin Laden. I know Sicilians who are Browner than Benjamin Netanyahu.
If you publicise only very white looking Israelis, people who support Palestinians see that as "evidence" that there were never any Jews in Israel. There's another kind of reverse racism where white Europeans expect other white Europeans to know better and do better.
Personally, I support Israel because they wanted peace, and Hamas refused/refuses. They don’t want peace, they want Israel to be wiped off the face of the earth. They say so in their manifesto. Did Israeli soldiers rape civilians and murder children, and then celebrate after? I dare you to find proof of that. Hamas soldiers did. There are videos and photos. That alone is why I don’t support Hamas. Just want to add that the people of Gaza that are not affiliated with Hamas are not who I’m talking about. They are obviously not involved and I feel horrible for the families that have been displaced and the innocent civilians who have died. But again, whose fault is that? The ones who attacked first. They are literally hiding behind women and children in hospitals, so when Israel retaliates, they can claim Israel is targeting innocent civilians, WHEN THEY PUT THEM THERE.
There were white slavery one of my great great great grandfathers was a white slave or " enduntured servent" He was intrested in the ships he was a very little boy and sold for the debt they said he owed because they found him while on the way to America the owners kept adding debt to him because of room and board so he could never pay the debt and continued as a slave
@2:10 To your open question: Yes, propaganda IS always a bad thing because it is not okay to large-scale lie to people. Such lies affect generations and mislead humanity to take more dark turns.
They abolitionist were not lying, and these children were enslaved and considered tainted and in the lowest caste due to their ancestry. They used the pictures to try to end the enslavement of black people, which was a good thing.
It is true that orphans (of every color) were taken in as servants to other families. We see this a lot as students of genealogy. People can be so cruel.
I can tell you for a fact that Lyman Beecher ( Harriets father) and Henry Ward Beecher ( Harriets brother) held a great many so called “ slave auctions in their churches, and that the vast majority of the freed slaves, who received the money paid for them as a means of helping them to start their new lives, were in fact black and not white. Most abolitionists truly loathed the condition of slavery and considered it a terrible sin. It seems as if you’ve lost sight of this fact, and would rather pretend that they only cared about white slaves, and only were peripherally concerned about the conditions of other enslaved people. I know it’s not sensational to admit it but the vast majority of abolitionists hated all slavery, not just the slavery of other whites. Paul A Beecher.
I agreed that many abolitionists already thought slavery was terrible, I mentioned that in the video. But this was a discussion of the (good?) propaganda. We don’t disagree at all.
They were all siblings even the darkskinned one that was usually pictured with them . Sometimes they would be pictured with their mother and grandfather
During the western era...most rich family would take children in who's parents were dead or killed and were used to take care of the property the children were fed and clothed and taken care of in turn for taking care of the property and doing chores ...
Today, officially there are 8 million slaves in Africa today. Yet, the mainstream media doesn't dare to even mention it, it's mainly a taboo subject in the West. Obama, while in power, always talked about slavery in America 200 years ago, but never brought up the fact of slavery in Africa these days.
I’ve brought that up in a video about why America is a great country. But I’m a history channel. I hope journalists continue to cover that important news!
Once again, you've brought up a topic I've never heard of and, while exploring it, introduced an equally fascinating philosophical problem just as new to me. I'm not sure I understand your distress, though, at certain points in the video, seemingly connected to maybe a moral emptiness revealed by people who needed to be spoonfed, through propaganda, a stronger rejection of slavery than they got from their abolitionist views. That's just my guess but, in any case, I feel I'm probably missing something. To me, there's nothing objectionable or dismaying about using "white children" this way to drive home an anti slavery message. The fear these pictures strike in the white people who see them is not manipulative or dishonest at all. Ultimately, people do the right thing in a case like this because they empathize with the victim who needs their help. Of course, on a loftier level, doing what's right, doing justice is a good thing in and off itself and something all of us "should" do if we weren't so flawed. We're weak and selfish and sometimes have to be coaxed, even tricked into doing good, which is nevertheless doing good and probably makes future good deeds likelier. We do the same using pictures of shivering, abused kittens to get people to contribute to organizations that help neglected animals -- even those more mangey, stinky, and scary than cute. The connection it creates isn't artificial. These "white" enslaved kids, the desperate horror they create in the viewer is real and couldn't be more fundamentally justified. Slavery is and should be an abomination to us exactly because we wouldn't want it to happen to us or our loved ones however much we would prefer to escape the thought! To accommodate that fear and blunt the nagging feeling that it's wrong we like to feed each other reassuring lies this awful thing is justified somehow and that it cannot happen to us. We do that with prison and prisoners, especially with the idea of people in prison, convicted or even put to death for a crime they did not commit. We tell ourselves "they must have done _something,"_ or blame the jury/judge who failed and imagine the system itself will correct everything however ludicrous that sounds. But mostly, we like to deny it ever happens, at least not to good people like us. None of these flimsy fictions provides much psychic protection so it's crucial we put prisons in remote areas, discourage or cut off communication, increase sentences and anything else to keep the horror out of sight and mind. In America, slavery based on race made it easy to view slaves as separate from everyone else. An official religious/political line that portrayed enslaving black people as ordained by God or the fulfillment of a benevolent imperative -- "civilizing" savages -- must have been of real comfort to anyone bothered by the reality of slavery. But it depended on race, which was a seemingly unambiguous distinction. What a relief! In fact, the truth is, humans have demonstrated a willingness to enslave anyone whatever their race. Worse, race is really an arbitrary construct and a useless shield against being victimized, even enslaved. So, these photographs of apparently (or really) Caucasian children honestly conveyed a warning of a true danger as much as a theoretical one. The "one drop" view of race made it an inevitable reality. Using these pictures of "white" slave children may be seen to cater to some inherently narrow minded racism in their intended audience but, assuming that's the source of your discomfort, is that really so bad? Isn't that just one of the expected shortcomings typical of probably most people? And it's not a permanent condition but something we can and do learn to overcome. It's a little like the indifferent cruelty we see in children pulling the legs off a bug. It is definitely distressing but it's not an inexorable destiny, more ignorance than sadism.
Daniella was just expressing how sad it was that photos of black enslaved children wouldn’t have caused people to fund their freedom, welcome them into their homes, and allow them to go to school. People thought these children must be saved because they were white. Is it great starting point? I think so. Is it good to meet people where they are at in their journey to enlightenment? I think so. Is it sad that that people thought white children were more worthy of being freet? ABSOLUTELY!
They would change the names and some of the histories . Notice how they mention mulatto as ancestory because you automatically think white looking themselves but no theirs many mulatto that were dark skinned as well
They were enslaved because their black mothers were enslaved and they had black ancestry, which is/was all that was needed for enslavement. Who is flipping the script?
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So is this meaning the child is so light that they cloud pass as white and the abolitionist used this as propaganda 🤔because my Aunt would have been in this category.
Black means Pale, Bleek, Without Light, No Rights, Drad in the Eyes of the LAW.
You can look through old newspaper articles & they were literally selling Irish girls & kids in newspapers in the 1800's, slavery for white people went on until the 1930's, anyone who got paid in "store script" was literally a slave... They might not have had legal documentation stating that they were being enslaved but they were being enslaved, same with indentured servants... The Mayan civilization had Slaves!!! Slavery is simply explained, it is a "hierarchical mindset", everyone in America today is a slave, money is printed from thin air & we use meaningless paper as debtors notes to the bankers who own the real wealth... The audio interview you have of the slave who worked for Jefferson Davis, when he found out that one of them took the initiative to want to learn to read & write on their own (writing in chalk) he paid for teachers to teach them various skills, it's because he was a Freemason, they believe in the biblical concept of: the way God was constantly doing all these crazy things to people in olden days, if they could rise above "his tests", then people could go up the godly/freemasonic ladder of being a higher human (in the hierarchical freemasonic view of reality/biblical interpretation). As long as we have hierarchical thinking, the majority of people ((are & will always be slaves.))
WHITE SLAVERY BY AFRICAN SLAVEOWNERS
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👍 Yes, partly. It's not the entire point. It's that they used it to shock the North to subconsciously instill fear that they could be next. He was showing that slavery is not based on skin tone, because the majority of slaves had deeper complexions, because the slave traders chose their victims based on how easy they were to kidnap or buy, due to the victims financial status and their government's allowance or inability to protect their citizens.
My Grandfather was born in 1894 Mississippi to an Irish Father and Chocktaw mother. He also had a younger sister born in 1896. Around 1900, both his parents died from an outbreak of Typhus. One of the families in the area took both children in, but not out of the goodness of thier heart. They took my Grandfather and Grand Aunt in as slaves. Both were treated very badly. Our family history says that they were treated so badly that when the circuit preacher's wife saw how badly the little girl was treated, she returned a week later and demanded the family hand over the girl to her, and she raised the girl as her own daughter.
My Grandfather was not so lucky, he was 14 before he was able to escape that family. He had friends tie up a horse, with saddle, saddle bags and a pistol. He snuck out at night, found the horse and lit off for Arkansas. He is listed on the Dawes Rolls at age 8, occupation Farmer. He lived to 1974, long enough for me to actually know him.
Just curious, you said that your grandfather was born to an Irish Father and Chocktaw mother. That would have made your Grandfather half white. Why would the family who took your Grandfather in, be treated like a slave. Was it based on his racial makeup, or was it a case of exploitation regardless of his Chocktaw Irish mix?
@@moonwater2347 From our family lore, it was because of his mixed blood. Still a lot of prejudice at the time against Native Americans and "half-breeds". But once he ran away from that family, he was taken in by a family in Arkansas that was not prejudiced and that treated him well and gave him a good upbringing. He went on to serve in WW1.
@@moonwater2347 I meant to add that we really don't know what the motivation of that family was, sounds like they could have been equal opportunity exploiters. I spoke to my sister that knows more of the family history and she added that the family of my great grandfather's first wife wanted nothing to do with any of his "half-breeds".
Wow! That sounds both terrible and exciting to find out. Did your perspective of yourself change? Or did you just always seem to know, at least vaguely, what happened to him? You have an interesting family history make sure to remember it! God bless you Jesus loves you!
If born to a Choctaw mother, they would have had a clan as well. Was that information passed down as well?
People don't understand the parallels with this, and human trafficking/ child labor...its still so prevalent that people don't realize someone maybe next door or down the street could be being exploited...I worked ( hard work) under the radar as a child...and I was born and raised here in America.
This is becoming very prominent again. Tens of thousands of children that have immigrated to America as unaccompanied minors are now working in factories at night. They are going to school during the day too. So these children are awake around 20 hours a day/night. 8 hours are spent at work and 8 hours are spent at school. It’s so heartbreaking! 💔
@findingbeautyinthepain8965 uh their parents, mother sent them here. So get angry at their families. They should all be sent back to their families. Also, those illegals do business with the cartels.
Why wouldn’t they understand…. Oh wait because they have lied about White Slaves, in the first place. Just as they lied about why Whites got reparations and affirmative actions…. Oh and God.
And The Negro in America.
American Holocaust I certify to you that with the help of God we shall powerfully enter your country and shall make War against You in All Ways and All Manners that we can and shall subject You to the yoke and obedience of the Church and their Highnesses. We shall take You and Your Wives and Your Children, and shall make Slaves of Them, and as such shall sale and dispose of them as their Highnesses may Command. And we shall take your goods and shall do You all the Mischief and Damage that We can as to vassals who do not obey and refuse to receive their Lord and resist and Contradict him. In practice the Spanish ( European Colonizers) did not usually wait for the Indians to reply to their demands. The Indians were manacled then as it were they were read their rights. ( as one colonist and historian described the routine. After they were put in chains someone read the Requerimiento without knowing their language and without any interpreters, and without either the readers or the Indians understanding the Language they had no opportunity to reply, being immediately carried away Prisoners the Europeans not failing to use the stick on those who did not go fast enough. In this perverse way the invasion and destruction of what many including Columbus thought was a “Heaven On Earth” began! Not that the reading of the Requerimiento was necessary to the inhuman violence the Spanish (European Colonizers and the Church) were to perpetrate against the Indigenous People they confronted. Rather the proclamation was merely a legalistic Rational for the fanatical.......the requerimiento is representatives of the very same standards practiced Policing Today.
Columbus and his men shipped thousands of Sun-kissed, Melanin Rich, Aboriginal, Indigenous American Indians to The Islands, To Europe and to Afrika and sold them as Negroes.
Negroland is in Afrika and yet we don’t question why?!?
And the idea that Europeans continue to both negate and experiment with the existing functioning Cultures is highly offensive.
The Meritorious Manumission Act of 1710......In Exchange for EUMELANIN Aboriginal Indigenous American Indian Peace and Freedom.
1) Save the life of Pigment Impaired.
2) Protect the Pigment Impaired.
3) Squeal on The Sun Kissed.
4) Invent something that the Pigment Impaired can make Financial Gain and Power from.
top 3 crimes world wide human trafficking, illegal weapons, drugs
and unsafe more likely to have maiming accidents due to inexperience, lack of judgement and fatique@@findingbeautyinthepain8965
I was uncomfortable with the racism that emphasized how shocking it was that children who looked white were enslaved...but I *loved* the emphasis on how often these children's owners were actually their fathers. Besides the injustice of slavery, it brings in the sheer monstrosity of these men raping women they had complete control over and then considering their own flesh and blood to be merely assets to be exploited or sold. Being a parent should mean being a protector... showing these children and giving the story that reminds the audience that it's not just forced work going on has a shock value related less to their appearance and more "how can their fathers be so uncaring?!"
YES
And that's a case of somebody "selling their own people" way more so than enemy ethnic groups in Africa competing over guns that white slave traders introduced and started an arms race.
I’ve also read stories of white planters keeping a whole other “family” in New Orleans, with a light skinned mistress. They took care of the woman and her kids. There was also racism between light and dark skinned black ppl. I wonder how all the class ratings were kept up with, and why wouldn’t a person who could pass for white move and do so.
I’ve also read that Louisiana had different laws regarding slaves because of Spanish to French to American rule. I’ve just gotten into researching my ancestry and trace family to NOLA’ s German coast ( my GGM was of German descent but only spoke French) I also have family descended from the Pointe Coupee area. I wish I could find out more about their daily lives, not just stats.
Your comment brings to mind,unconfirmed stories; that Jefferson freed most of his children he fathered with Sally Hemings, and; sent them to live in Northern cities, where they could “pass as whites”, to escape the certain “hardscrabble life of slavery”, but; that does nothing to exculpate the - so called, “founding fathers” of one of the great evils perpetrated upon a People in the annals of World history!
The attitude of some (many?) slave holders to their own children makes me wonder, too. What kind of people were they?
I have been watching some of your stories and being of Irish and Italian descent,it really hit home.When some of my Irish relatives referred to us as half white while watching Bull Conner sic police dogs dogs on kids my age getting bit by dogs and getting hit water from fire hoses made me wonder if I would be next.That was such an eye opening experience for me plus the cruelty I went through made me swear that when I got older that I would never behave that way towards others.My mom was a good woman(Irish) who would tell me to never believe what her relatives said because they were just ignorant.
There were so many of every race that were enslaved. The North had Irish slaves , and the South had poor white and African slaves. Slavery was and still is a horrific crime against humanity. However, it has been and still is going on for millennias. While the North wanted to end the African Slavery, they still wanted to keep their Irish slaves. They managed to do this by using alternative wording. What I don't understand is that instead of playing victim now, why not fight for those who are still enslaved in other countries and try to save them.
THAT A BUNCH OF BS.. NO ONE WAS CHATTEL SLAVES BUT BLACK PEOPLE. THEY .. CACAZOID RACIST EUROPEANS AND ARABS USED THE BIBLE TO JUSTIFY IT.. EUROPEAN NEVER ENDED IT. THEY JUST CHANGED THE SYSTEM TO A COLONIAL MORE HIDDEN SYSTEM OF EXPLOITATION.. NICE TRY TRYING TO HIDE YOUR EVIL EXISTENCE THAT IS SO WELL DOCUMENTED IT MAKES YOU SOUND CRAZY TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE BUT THE TRUTH. JIM CROW ETC.. AMERKKKA IS A STOLEN EVIL NATION. EUROS AND ARAB RACIST STOLE EVERY NATION THEY LIVE. BACK TO THE CAUCUS MOUNTAINS..
The Irish were never slaves.
But there was no Irish slavery, they were indentured servants. Slavery was a social caste status, not just a treatment. Even the children in the video, who appear to be White, would have adopted their slave status from their enslaved mothers.
@robertreed9818 they were slaves just like black ones ! At the same time over in Europe whites were taken from their towns and city's and sold to the Muslims and men were castrated just like the black slaves look up Islamic slave trade and u will get a better understanding what slavery was about and why it wasn't about race !
@@robertreed9818the victors always like to rewrite history
I don’t think it’s complicated. It’s really simple. The abolitionist used what they had to achieve a goal. They knew their audience and used what would work. It would have been silly and a waste of time using a strategy that wasn’t as effective. The Quaker’s were against slavery. Didn’t stop or overturn it. The other side used the Bible to justify it. The abolitionist weren’t starting from zero. They understood what would work. Remember the movie “A Time to KILL”. A black girl was raped beat and left for dead. She survived. Her father then killed the men who did it and he was on trial for murder. At the end the lawyer went through the entire ordeal the black girl suffered in detail and ended with saying now imagine she was white. It worked. In essence, this is what the abolitionist were going for and just like in the movie, it worked.
Yea after he told them to close their eyes and listen to the story. I still have that vhs movie
If I’m not mistaken I think the Quakers helped the slaves escape
Lincoln told the author of Uncle Tom’s Cabin (largest selling book in American history at the time) “so you’re the little lady who wrote the book that caused this Great War.” This video is revisionist history citing white slaves as the cause for the shift in attitudes.
It did work. It is also working in this chat, as many are now contemplating it could've happened to me or my family.
Another layer of calculus could have been: "What if a bounty hunter who chase after runaways in the Northern states mistake my kids for their bounties? What if a less honest one decide to cut the middleman and abduct one of my kids to sell them directly in the South? This is getting out of hand, shut up and take my money!"
That was an argument. Sally Muller was a German girl whose family immigrated to Lousiana and died while she was an infant. Young Sally was then picked up as a slave.
I had to use these photos to educate my own mother on slavery. A few years ago some politicians said we should go back to slavery and my mom started saying this. My heart was devastated. I had to try to reach her and prove that her own husband, kids, grandkids, & great grandchildren were all subjected to slavery due to the one drop rule and our family history. It’s a shame when you still have to fight for freedoms some people take for granted without ever considering what they have. Educate everyone about our past when you can!!
Or that Irish was slaves in America first .. and that only 3% of America owned slaves and out of that 3% over 3,775 slave owners where black and out of the 2 million slave in America over 300,000 of them where white. Racist people love to make it about race too but it’s always been about class
@@KingAries85 That is not correct. Irish were indentured servants not slaves. They were forced to work to pay off debts and often times they were paid and were not treated at all like enslaved black people. Once their debt was paid they could leave. Black enslaved worked until their death and their children for generations. I need people to understand that American enslavement of Black people was the most violent and cruelest form of slavery and lasted 250 years including rape and selling of family members separating many forever. As for Black people who owned slaves many of the Black people who were listed as enslavers actually bought their own family members to free them not to own them. Because family members were sold all over the south and the only choices they have was buying them back or helping them escape. Slavery was a caste system but it was a calculated system that was indeed based on race. Even if you looked white if you had any black ancestry and you were born from an enslaved person you were considered a slave
@@KingAries85Irish were never slaves. They were indentured servants, which is a completely different thing.
"It's a shame when you still have to fight for freedoms some people take for granted." You say, "STILL have to fight for freedoms." Currently, what freedoms are you fighting for?
@@bunnybird9342 As long as the indentured servant was under contract, they were a slave as they had no freedoms. They did not get their freedoms back until they fulfilled their contract.
Not to much of a difference.
I know you want to own 100% of the victim card but it's not going to happen.
As an Appalachian, I've long linked the stereotypes against non-whites and "hillbillies", who were mostly Scots-Irish and Irish and were (usually) forcibly brought to the new world as indentured servants, then eventually pushed to the new western frontier of Appalachia by colonies who no longer had use for them. It's also why so many married Native Americans, because both were outsiders. I don't have statistics for all of Appalachia, but in the Kentucky portion, 90% of people with ancestors there at least five generations have some Native American blood, and it's almost always a mix with Scots-Irish,Irish, or both.
If you look into the history of the Irish and the native Americans there is a strong bond there. Natives helped Irish out and Ireland returned the favor. ❤
Thanks for sharing these photos of enslaved children in such an endearing and compassionate way. You've presented a reality that most of us were unaware of.
I wonder if the abolitionists who used these white slave children as propaganda used them solely as a means to an end, knowing the kind of reaction they would illicit from white, northern audiences or if they themselves also empathized more with the white slaves?
It reminds me of the final courtroom scene in “A Time to Kill” where Matthew McConaughey’s character asked the jury to imagine the little black victim as a white girl instead.
Even as a child, the idea that the jurors could only see the humanity of a little girl as long as she was white, was a sad to me. Like it had not crossed their minds that pain is pain no matter upon whom it is inflicted.
Yes, I agree.
You’re probably right. From their perspective, a black child isn’t human and the only way to humanize them is to make it “personal”. Really tells you the lack of empathy during that time.
I mean, all you gotta do is read a history book. It’s pretty common knowledge that only 3% of America owns slaves. The Irish were the first slaves in America out of 3% 7000 slave owners were black out of the 2 million slaves in America over 330,000 of them where white
As the descendant of Balkan Christians who lived for almost 500 years under the Ottoman empire, I would never put in quotation marks.
Thank you for adding this
James Mink a rich Canadian married to a Irish immigrant tried to buy his daughter a rich white husbnd and she ended up sold into slavery in America. It took the UK government to get his daughter back.
@DarkNJuju there was a movie made about that years ago. Lou Gossett starred in it. The man the daughter married was a slave catcher.
The one drop rule at work.
Please keep making these videos. You are doing important work.
GT,
the one drop rule did not exist in the ante-bellum South...
It was a 20th Cty invention.
here is a wiki excerpt from an 1895 SC speech by a Confederate veteran -turned-politician speaking AGAINST banning interracial marriages....
>>>>....It is a scientific fact that there is not one full-blooded Caucasian on the floor of this convention[SC LEGISLATURE]. Every member has in him a certain mixture of ... colored blood ... It would be a cruel injustice and the source of endless litigation, of scandal, horror, feud, and bloodshed to undertake to annul or forbid marriage for a remote, perhaps obsolete trace of Negro blood. The doors would be open to scandal, malice, and greed....
It also shows that even with such a law in place, human beings still find a way to favor one characteristic over another. On the books, they may have been mulatto but in practice, such as the fundraising effort, their appearance garnered the support of other White citizens.
Some feel they should get rid of that the “Not Black Enough” movement.
Who perpetuates that idea. Who has 10 different words for "black" people
I agree with your comment that this topic is difficult, and uncomfortable, however; your temperament, and approach to telling these many stories is quite proper - with the right touch and care that they deserve.
Your presentations put faces and names on “sacred stories” that need to be uncovered and told about the misdeeds of the past.
*Perhaps somewhere between heaven and purgatory these souls are comforted that their stories are being retold and brought to life 150 to 200 years in the future to a new. fascinated, and caring global audience and you are are the ideal medium.
A brief study on the etymology of the word "slave" will reveal that the word originally refers to the "Slavic" people who the Moors took by the millions from the coasts of Europe and put them into bondage throughout Asia, Africa, and America.
Empathy correlating with how much someone looks like you is still very much in play today. It wasn't difficult for me to hear this because I knew from a young age that only a child like JonBenet Ramsey could inspire such long-lasting sorrow and fascination for her tragic death. Same with Natalie Holloway and many others. I admire the abolitionists' understanding of the human heart and using it to their advantage. It helped to free my ancestors.
There are theories that humans feel this way due to needing to survive when we were tribal. The theory is that when a group of unrecognized people is approaching a tribe, the tribe can see whether the approaching people look like their tribe, to know if they were safe or not. If the approaching group looked like their tribe, they would assume they were part of it and let them be. If the approaching people looked different than the tribe, they would assume they were unsafe and kill them. It is theorized this is still in our DNA and causes people to care more for people who look like them. As a child who grew up in and out of the hospital, I have witnessed nurses of every races leaving a child’s hospital room crying and saying, “They look just like my child.” It really, really sucks that every person has it engrained in them that someone who looks similar to someone they care about is more worthy of being healthy, being free, having a loving family, not living in poverty, not being abused, or whatever it may be. I can remember seeing those nurses and thinking, “I have the same condition. What about me?” I can’t even imagine how the dark skinned siblings felt when their light skinned siblings were freed from slavery and they weren’t! They had to say, “What about me!?” 💔😡😭
@findingbeautyinthepain8965 the first few sentences in your paragraph just explained the origins of racism
@@findingbeautyinthepain8965 you are totally right, yet let's remember also how many people love other people and raise children no matter their skin tone or features. It's an habit or a trait , the look alike tribalism, but it's not a curse . Plenty of people live without this bias. And let's also remember that discrimination and indifference hit ultra-hard among people of same ethnicity and all. Humankind is a complicated thing. Making it work for the better is a full time job.
@@findingbeautyinthepain8965 this ought to be actively explained to young children with the coda, but now we are modern humans this is rarely if ever needed because it is no longer needed unless we are actually in a situation of immediate danger. We are a mature enough species to understand that we no longer live in a kind of world where such a response is needed all the time. I mean if you do have visible difference you can still spot people profiling you on all sorts of levels, as if you were potentially dangerous, but actually there is no threat, and such peop”e are barely aware they are doing it. If people understand their own behaviours and why they are there then we can start to change things. We do not need to be that kind of tribal! Some tribalism IS useful, but not this one, mostly.
@@findingbeautyinthepain8965I’m a white woman who grew up in La. We lived in the country and had black neighbors and white. I worked with a black girl who was very dark skinned, when she had a baby she brought her to my house to visit. The baby immediately took to me and I commented on it. She said the at the baby had to stay a little while longer in the hospital and all the nurses were white so she really liked white women. She even said that the baby kinda didn’t like her mom and she thinks that it was because she was dark.
Hi Danielle. Good to see you. Thanks for another topic of interest in Slavery and the abolitionist movement. The horrors of black people slavery and others were vastly different especially when you’re thought of less than human, an animal even. These thoughts are generational even today. The Abolitionist Movement beliefs during Slavery were not all the same. I’m glad you have found the proof of this in your exploration of Slavery and its path to racism and prejudice in America.
A VERY HIDDEN AMERICAN HISTORY...WICH I KNOW MUCH ABOUT.
The house servants were more protected because they protected the slave masters children, they didn't blame the children for their situation, they were more loyal than indentured servants from Europe 🤔
I’m sorry, I can’t quite understand your comment. Are you saying light skinned slaves were treated better than dark skinned slaves?
@@findingbeautyinthepain8965YES.They Were.That is a fact.I thought everyone Knew that.
Blacks are the only group that will FIGHT over wanting to be the “most oppressed”. Everyone else just moved on. Meanwhile it was their own kind putting them on ships!
Empathy is given easier, when the person looks like you. I can understand how they fundraised easier.
It is no different now.( when you fundraise).
Marketing does manipulate based on the “ majority’s” idea of beauty/ perfection.
That is why they changed the despiction of Jesus Christ.
Speaking of a hierarchy of worthiness, I find it is manifested in "Uncle Tom's Cabin". Harriet Beecher Stowe was describing darker skinned slaves as less intelligent and capable, and lighter skinned slaves as brighter and harder working, and arguably suggesting these lighter slaves were more deserving of freedom. Possibly, some abolitionists may have been playing the long game, hoping to overcome issues like the "One Drop" rule to begin with. These stereotypes were likely prevalent at the time, but how much did Stowe's writings strengthen these stereotypes?
That's a reflection of the choices made, in those days. Lighter skin and higher intelligence (to be expected, for slaves with a larger proportion of European ancestry than their darker skinned counterparts) did generally confer household duty. Darker skin and lower intelligence was typically associated with field work and harder manual labor.
@@BodilessVoice I wasn't there, but I think it would be accurate to assume that the lighter skinned slaves working in the house (often blood relatives of the master's family) had greater access to some education, whereas field hands had little such opportunity. Conflating intelligence with educational opportunity is a flawed analogy.
Growing up in the south during the 80s and 90s, I am not surprised by those photos at all. The sad thing is we have regressed so far I bet these photos would blow kids minds.
The word slave is a reference to Slavic people who were enslaved by the Ottomans.
A lot of Latin American Period soap operas and work of literature touch on this subject. Isaura is the one I am familiar with, and there were many perspectives on the issue at the time. You had people who only thought white passing should be allowed freedom, others challenging that idea of what makes one skin color more worthy than the other, and people who believed people born into slavery should remain slaves.
Another movie that shocked me growing up is Angelitos Negros, which translates to Little Black Angels. A white passing woman didn't know her slave/servant was her mother. She had a black baby and mistreated her child because the child was born black. The parts for that stood out for me when i was a child watching the movie were how the white passing mother treated her daughter, the daughter's trauma (trying to turn her skin white so her mother could love her), and the mother killing her servant-mother by pushing her down the stairs.
Again I am learning so much from your work that I would probably never looked at on my own. I am from Louisiana and have seen things in your videos that I saw as a child but did not know what I was looking at when I was very young. Traveling around south Louisiana with my grandfather when I was 9 or 10 years old his interactions with people seemed as if he was part of the culture even though he was born in Ancona Sicily. He looked and sounded like he was from there and at times would speak french to someone to prevent me from understanding. Thanks so much for opening my eyes to the reality of so many different cultures, I think this kind of work will bring us all as humans so much closer to each other so we can recognize we are not that different.
The beginnings of Colorism for Black people. Black families split and hating each other due to skin color.
And let’s not forget the mothers who were most likely concubines of the men who are these children’s father.
I just found my family who left my family to pass. Too long to explain my feelings about that here.
Yes.This was intentionally done by the slave masters to separate and cause division and hate within the black race. Used as a means to control them and get them to tell on each other. Playing Evi psychological mind games with people's very existence.
@@user-Mimi622 I'm looking forward to the day when we all just view each other as the human race. My father-in-law was a fair-skinned Mexican. But his children had their mother's darker skin. He didn't want them playing outside and getting tan. It drove me crazy that when my daughter went anywhere with her grandparents, he had her in mismatched clothes because he would put on the top with the longest sleeve and the longest shorts and they were from different outfits. I don't understand how people can feel bad towards their own family for being darker or lighter than them. As for passing relatives, I think they did what they thought was best, not necessarily for themselves, but more so for their offspring. I can't blame them in a world where it could be dangerous to have dark skin. It had to be a huge sacrifice for many of them to lose contact with their families though. What a sacrifice! They were in a no-win situation.
False. This is categorically false 😅
Africa would still be normal if your friends the arab-muslim didnt colonise steal and take 17m black people the the other countries wouldnt of been rtarded and got involved plus not to mention wouldnt of gone to africa 😂
Yes and no. In the Boot it brought us high yellow folk together.
I’m a Simien but grew up in Cali however I return yearly because St Landry is home, we still speak french and many other languages it’s a beautiful thing.
We also don’t use color we ask, “who’s Grandma or Paw paw” or “what’s ur last name. BRB..😂”
This reminds me of the conflict in Ukraine and Russia when the reporter said "this shouldn't be happening to people that look like us".
Disheartening to see that the same mentality still exists.
I think we need to back up and think.
Now before we dissect this, food for thought: I'm native American and white. My mother's white ancestors were strict abolitionists, in the south, who fought for the north during the Civil War. Family history told me that they could understand and empathize with people that didn't look like them. They claimed slave owners couldn't. So they used these tactics to show how ludicrous their arguments were.
We see the same ideation today: people can't empathize with those who don't look like they do. Today they want to rewrite history to say only whites owned slaves. Truth is blacks owned blacks. Natives owned blacks.
Back then they knew better. It wasn't a black VS white thing to abolitionists of the time. It was ideologies. They targeted black plantation owners or natives with the same vigor. My native ancestors who were against slavery were selectively removed. The ones who had plantations were left unmolested prior to the civil war.
Another little known fact of history. You do really well with your information and I really appreciate it😊
She doesnt do very well with her research. It is mis information over load. She never expands past some propaganda she found on the internet. YOU can tell she has not done any true examination of the subject. It is sad to listen to her feed the white liberal guilt with half truths.
Almost every Black American over 50 knows a little bit of this from family history. They might not know about the photos.
Thank you for the enlightenment, Danielle. I was not aware of this. 😮
Don’t you just love how people didn’t consider black people as full human beings and didn’t think slavery was bad until someone that looked like them was considered a slave? Yeah me too 🤔🤔
And most whites still feel that way.If it doesn't affect Them in any way,they have zero empathy or patience or tolerance for black folks plight or sufferings,and all the wrongdoings and injustices and atrocities that have been done,and continues to be done in some capacities,still to THIS Day.
They did know that these people were "black," though. I think those relatively few Northerners who did not oppose interracial marriage in the mid-19th century believed that miscegenation could, in time, "erase" the black phenotype, and render everyone "white." That, so they thought, would solve America's racial problem once and for all. (That, or relocating the freed slaves to Africa or Canada or Mexico.)
This is still going on today. Most Europeans here are only speaking up because their middle class is being devoured as well.. when it was just the lower class alot more were willing to ignore the outcries of inequality.. I dont trust alot of people at this point my race or any other. To many lies.
@@SeasideDetective2that idea was always amusing because that does not get rid of your race problem The race problem that they have is that they are racist
Turning everyone white through breeding or moving the black people elsewhere does not get rid of your race problem
Demonized humans. Thats what it was. So wicked
Absolutely superlative dissertation, thank you Danielle! I wasn't aware that these photos existed let alone were used as propaganda by abolitionists. Personally I cannot presume that they (the abolitionists and their supporters) were outraged or made to feel fearful simply because some of these slave children looked "white" or "European". Abolitionists came from all place and manner. Each person has their own fears, morals, aspirations and personal red line... and the bottom line in this case IS that it worked, for the most worthy of causes. And I agree, these questions touch back to the Jesus paintings debate. Humans have been wired since the dawn of man to have loyalty, sympathy and respect for those who look/sound/act the most like we do. It was a necessary part of survival. The great thing about videos like this is that it allows the listener to ponder whether they also openly or subconsciously feel that pang of fear or outrage only when it affects their "tribe", and if so, it keeps this amazing dialog happening. 🥰
This comment was such a gift to me, as you explained my hopes better than I can. Thank you so much.
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What is most disturbing about this establishment of heirarchy is there is no mention of little girls in particular growing up to be young women, and how their mothers and grandmothers had progressed towards whiteness. Girls in particular as objects of purity and innocence. Honestly there is something really uncomfortable about this without the moral questioning of how they came into existence. Noticeably few boys except the silky haired kind…. This honestly reminds me of how we treat animals as pets, thereby taking away their rights to have and enjoy freedom. These little girls are symbolic tokens of whiteness, and though some of their promoters no doubt had a kind of good or better intention for those times, it shows just how the justifications work. The female forbears of these children were almost certainly the products of serial master/slave abuse, where were the exhortations to explore that in the context of the whiteness of the pious, prosperous and powerful?
Actually looking at the way these little girls are being presented makes me feel more than a little queasy. No mention at all of their families fate, just that mention of having a mulatto mother. As marriage would not even have been legal for many of the mothers the hypocrisy is huge. I dare say a great many people would have been happy to bring a white appearing child into their household as a companion, or maid, or somesuch, which back then was still not a guarantee of independence, or having a life that child could call their own. The luckier ones might be educated alongside the children of the household, and maybe get to be a governess or teacher at best. Or they could eventually pass…. Which effectively would mean segregation from their own families.
The sales pitch was to salve the consciences of white people, not to improve the lives of the children. Or to give them the equal rights that not just they, but the generations of their families actually deserved, because even in the north there were plenty of problems brewing in that respect.
I have a great great grandfather who had a white father and an enslaved mother. We don't know how much black she was, and my grandma referred to her as his concubine. My Ancestry DNA test didn't show Sub-Saharan, but a relative that did 23&me shows 6%. I find your videos very interesting.
IF you grandfather had children with a black woman and you were a product of that relationship, then there is no way you would only have 6% Sub Saharan African in you. Do the math.
Your great-grandfather was a rapist like my mother's great-grandfather. He had four children with Queen. She went on to marry after emancipation she went on to have 10 other children with Mr Brown. You know why you dont know about her? She was not part of your family.
I see Queen as a victim in this but your people do not see that poor woman as a victim who had NO choice in that relationship with that man.
@@MamaKatt I think it would have been her 3rd great grandmother, so she very well could show none while a sibling or cousin did. We get 50% of our DNA from each parent, but not necessarily 25% from each grandparent. Although not likely, technically, your parent could pass on 50% from his mother and none from his father. Siblings can have a very different mixture, which explains why one sibling might have lighter skin or darker hair than the other. It's a gene lottery! Over several generations, the difference could be very large.
@@rroadmapDo we get 32 or 64 3rd great-grandparents? Either way, because of recombination, there’s a chance subsaharan DNA could be lost in the shuffle.
@@conniepayne4425 32. If the genes were passed on equally on each generation and the 3rd great-grandmother was 100% African (a big assumption), you would assume that the 2nd -great-grandparent would be 50%, the great-grandparent would be 25%, the grandparent would be about 12-1/2% and the parent would be 6-1/4%, and the poster would be about 3%. But, like I said, that's not how it works. That many generations away, there would almost certainly be times where the genes were not passed evenly. My two first cousins who have tested are from different parents and have the same percentage as each other, but it is 3 times the percentage than I have.
@@MamaKatt Wouldn't the children have stayed with the mother? I always thought children of slave women took the status of the mother. Not many people know much about their 3rd great-grandparents though unless they do genealogy.
You should submit this work for a PhD dissertation. Talk to the folks where you went to Grad School my Sista!
We’re a sick country 🇺🇸 and a sicker world 🌎…
Yeah I agree, the slavery that goes on today in this country keeps me up at night. Google how many children are missing, just under Biden’s admin, 88,000 children are missing from the open border (not American children, non American children). We have thousands of American children disappearing every year, and now we have just over the same number of children that came over the border under Obama in 8years, missing under biden in under 4. A lot went missing under O, DHS found some working as slaves on egg farms, 12 hour days… others sold into sex slavery. DNA tests helped protect those children to make sure the adults bringing them were actually their own parent, but that stopped… the pedofilia going on is rampant. This is the tip of the iceberg
My grandpa said that his relatives came over as Scottish indentured slaves. However we don't have any Scottish in our genealogy. So I don't know if it never happened or maybe they were Irish instead.
There was a lot of migration, forced and unforced, between Scotland and Ireland over the last few thousand years. So there is a high likelihood those relatives traveled from Scotland, but weren't of a Scottish gene pool as recognized by a genealogical site. Many of them were indigent, regardless of which side of the Irish Sea they were transplanted to, so it is possible they could have ended up as indentured servants.
@@owensomers8572 I didn't know that bit of history. Thanks for the information.
There is no such thing as an indentured slave It is an endangered servant and being a slave and an indentured servant is not the same slaves had no rights while indentured servants had rights
You cannot just beat and rape a indentured servant and if you do so they can sue you and most of the time they won the lawsuit if not all the time
And the simple that indenture servants had a certain amount of time that they had to serve and that If indentured servants had children their children are not indentured servants
They are free children unlike slaves who have children their childrens are slaves
And not to even mention a racial difference how alive was vastly better for Scottish and Irish people then black people
@@zur2016 Wow, thank you for correcting someone else's error made while typing (it was obvious to me what the original post meant).
Maybe you should do some more editing on your own post, Captain Obvious!
@@owensomers8572 It was nothing for unintelligent ignorant people like you
It was for the simple fact that some people do call them indentured slaves because some people think indentured servants and slaves were the same thing
Maybe you should think before making it erratic emotional unintelligent response
Go back far enough in America, the first slaves sold on the English slave market were 4 Irish girls. Early 1600s
How can I contact you? I do want to share a story with you. Another excellent piece from you.
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Thank you for your content andI feel like you're helping to break down barriers. I hope you end up on Joe Rogan or Modern Wisdom podcast, your message is worthy. PS will you be making videos about the Argentina population? That would be a fun topic.
When I see white appearing enslaved children I do react more than I do the dark complected children. That being said when I see pictures of slaves, I get angry even if I know that at this point there is nothing one can do. Most Northerners don't know all that much about the South. I certainly didn't until I spent time in the South. I took job in Memphis, TN, in June 2007 and my first reaction on the first morning I was there was to wonder how anyone could work outside in the Summer heat. I thought about the suffering of field workers.
I do wonder about the ethics of showing only attractive light skinned children, but we must recognize that many societies value lighter skin over darker skin. If you pay at least some attention to Asian pop music, you would notice that Asian pop stars are lighter skinned and usually a bit taller than the average Asian. Within the black community in the US there has been something called the paper bag test. Spike Lee in 'School Daze' satirized the color issues on campuses of historically black colleges. If you look at black female actresses and singers who were popular in the 1940, their photographs made them appear quite light skinned. I am thinking of Lena Horne and Dorothy Dandridge. Photographs can give a confusing image. If you look at black and white photos of Edward Brooke, he appears quite light skinned, but in a color portrait in Wikipedia his complexion looks a bit darker than I remember.
Being African American woman over seventy, these very light skinned So call blk people are not new to me. My father was a Mulatto; I am more brown because of my Mother's darker complexion. When I was a child, there was an elderly woman who used to visit our Church, her
skin was very light complexion like the lighter elderly sister on the left. I thought she was white, one day my mother told me she was a colored woman,
term used back then. They come under the One drop Rule at that time. One drop of black blood even you could pass, you were considered black.Yes they and the others would be a Slave also, Mainly a house Slave in most Cases. Very Common during that time.
I love your channel and topics.
You have been coming through!! ever since your journey with your experiences with learning about your family. This in particular is a really mind boggling topic. It's interesting that they show these pictures of what essentially look like white children but who may have some African ancestry and therefore deemed Black based on the one drop rule, like you are alluding to in this video.. I wonder if this type of propaganda really had to happen because they knew that specially white northern people, still being white from this country , though separate from the south , yet still White had to have this imagery propaganda thrown their way in order to get the message home because they still didn't feel any connectedness with people who are obviously of African descent and I feel like that still hasn't changed to this day, white people in observation as well as studies ,usually only feel a connectedness to people who look like them more readily than those different from them phenotypically, this is no different from when you were talking about the Jesus imagery. It's like really sad to realize that only people can only be reached by getting your point across if usually they the model looks like them or the people who are being inflicted only look like them instead of saying genuinely anybody that is suffering. I see this still unfortunately being a huge factor today. I can't help but think this is the main motive of those type of pictures advertisements going on during slavery,to show that this country only has a heart when people really look like them smh
Unfortunately, this doesn’t just happen with white people. People of every race care more about people who look like them. Look at what is going on in the Middle East. When Israel was bombed, white Americans were so angry over children being killed. But once Palestine children started being killed, white people went silent, and mostly Arab and other brown people were infuriated. I haven’t seen large amounts of American Arabs or brown Americans crying for the Jewish children. I also haven’t seen large amounts of white people crying for the Arab children. Why can’t Americans get past looks, race, culture, and religion, and just see innocent children!? It’s so heartbreaking!
I think you are judging White people as a group, when they are individuals. It's no better than judging Blacks as a group. Not all White people can't empathize with other races. And I think this is one reason why racial relations have gotten worse after getting better for years. Whites who are not prejudiced resent being grouped and accused of feeling or acting a way they didn't feel or act--reverse prejudice. I feel like President Obama divided us by acting like race relations were way worse than they were and cops were out to get "Black folks". It should have been obvious that if more than half the country elected him, it wasn't such a big problem. We were moving in the right direction. A huge number of Whites voted for him because Blacks make up only 13% of the population and they don't all vote. And most of the people who didn't vote for him had political differences, not racial prejudice. I voted for Ben Carson in the primary and so did many of my White friends. I grieve for every little Black child who is in a bad situation. My daughter taught in a predominantly Black school for 9 years. She would still be there except her son wasn't being treated well by his classmates and she wanted her children in the same school were she taught. I bought food, school supplies, coats, shoes, underwear, clothes, books, backpacks, etc. for her students in need. Sometimes I couldn't really afford it, but I bought it on my credit card because I couldn't stand the thought of a child going hungry or staying inside at recess because he didn't have a coat or had holes in his shoes. But it seems like I cared more for those children than some of their own mothers. I had to start cutting the tags out of clothes and writing their names in their shoes in permanent marker because mothers would take them back to the store and get the money for them. But I don't judge the whole race for what they did. Some parents loved their kids and did what they could to help them succeed. I have Black friends who are dear to my heart. My daughter's best friend is Black. Please don't judge us by the color of our skin.
Nice work Danielle.
You should go to Zinzibar Island were most slaves were kept and transformed around
Zinzabar slaves museum
I had wealthy land owning family here in usa and they would pay for a ship ticket and say u can work it off and then never let the relative leave the slavery situation. Thanks for ur videos, very good and well done
My daughters look like Danielle the same as my aunts and some of my uncles. My kids were taught young what happened to people that looked like them especially women internationally even when it came to the aborigines of Australia the half caste children and what happened to them and what their mothers went through
As most white appearing slave children would have been conceived between a white slave owner and a young slave mother. To "rescue" such a child would have usually removed the child from its mother and potentially permanently separate them. Of course, the mother could be purchased with the child but that would have been very uncommon. What a mess this was.
White people where brung here on ships by the millions
@@KrisScott-zw5drbut unlike black people, they chose to come here
You can see this same preference for people who “look like us/ live like us etc” in the outpouring of support for Ukraine and for Paris in the wake of terror attacks, whereas the same sort of tragedies happen in other parts of the world and doesn’t even make it to the media, or if it does people don’t identify as strongly with the suffering. I do think there’s something baked into human nature from eons ago, but it doesn’t make it right & I think we should do all we can to educate ourselves and be aware of our biases.
How does growing a "Victory Garden" propaganda?
Your a breath of fresh air
Danielle is amazing. Beyond beautiful. I hope to meet her in person just as I want to meet dua lipa
People of this time period would of also been aware of the Barbary Coast Pirates enslaving Europeans.
Thank you for dropping this. I'm gonna get in touch with you somehow. I have another channel that I just started a backup channel that I want to get up and running. It has a lot to do with this and indigenous past, thank you so much for this! -I will be in touch with you soon! 🙏PEACE ✌ 💕✌️🪶🙏
Very interesting. I love what you’re doing. As far as the philosophical question of whether the means matters more than the outcome, the American institution of race based slavery was so cruel and illogical that I do not believe that the means matters more than the outcome, especially in this case. For instance, a main reason there were so many enslaved people who were white was because their owners raped their mothers. While paternity is usually how we determine the rights of children, they quickly decided that the enslaved mothers had to pass their slavery on to their children. This is completely against the traditions of the cultures that created American slavery, but they didn’t care about tradition as it turns out. Can’t wait for more of your perspective.
Wow! Fascinating point.
@@BodilessVoice I honestly cannot remember where the point about forsaking tradition when it’s convenient came from in my reading, but I know I read “Tales from the Haunted South: Dark Tourism and Memories of Slavery the Civil War Era” by Tiya Miles recently for research for one of my videos. She makes a lot of great points.
That's an amazing suggestion for my own reading. Thank you so much!@@FromtheDeep504
Before England, France, & then USA made slavery illegal many Europeans were no strangers to slavery, from Barbary slavery to indentured servitude in USA, sex slaves in USA both white & black, children and their parents, both recently freed or promised new skills and a new life were here and they were forced to work, under apprenticeships, and never paid. 1938 the senate passed the 1st labor law that got us to where we are today. You ask if it was unethical to use a child that looked much like the audience they targeted, and I say that many people feel representation matters, although some of us don’t need it to know right from wrong, people the world over are divided by color, religion, nationality, and enslave and fight one another… the only common ground must be highlighted in order for this generation of people to wake up and feel motivated to do something. I wish you many years of study. Your heart is in the right place. Please keep bringing up more history to the forefront .
Keep up the great work!
2 little known facts : Until 1804 by law a slave had to be freed after 7 years of enslavement. Class not just skin color played a large part in the chance of being enslaved .
Sources, please. Hmmm..it appears that you are trying to subtly conflate, white, indentured servitude with African chattel hereditary slavery. A cynical tactic by white nationalists to downplay the horrors of the transatlantic slave trade with their whataboutery agenda. Remember, indentured servitude was often VOLUNTARY and they had more basic rights, unlike chattel slavery, which was not by choice...
This isn't about slavery. This is about indentured servitude.
@@bunnybird9342 The same 7 year law applied to slaves until 1804
@@michealtull9033 not true. Slavery was permanent.
@@bunnybird9342 these children were not indentured servants. They were considered tainted and part of the "inferior" black race because of their black ancestry, they were born enslaved under the laws of the land. They were not white Europeans who came as indentured servants, something that many people are confusing them with.
14:00 I'm sure that the abolitionists took advantage of the fact that white Northerners were more sympathetic to people who looked like their own. I'm glad that they did so. It seems right and proper to me that the natural horror of bad things happening to "our own" should in this way be extended to others who are not "ours."
In the case of Fannie, she's still being exploited on sites like "find a slave"(I call it that for the reason they get people to do all the work photographing and cataloging graves and just sit back and collect money from add units, Two years ago I took 10k photos in 2 weeks which exposed the site in many ways)as people have made a whole profile of her grave but the gravesite and details of her life are unknown. She died young, got married had 2 kids before 1895. I still contend that she and the other girls did not have to be mulatos(as they could have been called)in order to be classified as nonwhite. The very word slave comes from Slav and all those people tan really well but just the same someone from Ireland usually does, others from England don't necessary either but were put in chains during colonial times and spirited away to the new world and elsewhere. I don't know what year it was but before the civil war slave traders got laws passed that prohibited the breeding of slaves because it interfered with their business. That's how a lot of these kids come about, that and the brown sugar aspect of slave owners fooling around with the help. Celtic people are some of the palest around but there are plenty of others who used to not see them as white. They probably still dont. Lot of these elitists practiced incest because they had such prejudice. Look who's coming to dinner took on a whole new meaning when Harry brought a chick from LA home ha!
Where did you find the film of the family on the train? If it is a movie, I would love to see it.
Love to see you do a video on the,"Blue Vines Society" and Black Fraternities conceptions.
Thanks for this serious information everyone needs to know.
You should read "Our kind of people "or "The half has never been told ".😮 Two books that will shock most people about American purpsed race bleeding
The truth is my dear is modern day slavery definition is
You trade your time for money so whom ever the employer is they are the master and you are the servant. Thats how the 1% solved the end of slavery and still where able to make their money. Thats why everything cost so much!!
Rosa Downs is ALSO in the portrait (on far right) of the three children shown right at the 7:45 mark just before the solo 'Rosa Downs' solo portrait is shown. Look for yourself. It's the same girl in both photos. Digging your research.
Absolutely wonderful work, have you made any content on the transition of indentured labour to fully slave status? I have read some information that states that originally the African Slaves were treated on a par with European Indentured labour and could earn their freedom once the indentured period was up, then the owners got greedy and revoked that aspect, easily enough done since the laws were passed by the rich landowners, and escaped Africans were easier to identify and apprehend than white escapees. Eventually they made it almost impossible for a former slave to be freed or educated.
Really great topic, thank you
If you're referring to US slavery, it seems unlikely that they had that opportunity in the beginnings. When I even think about their treatment on the slave ship and the harshness of chattel slavery, it seems unlikely that they started as indentured servants
Around 1705 slavery replaced Indentured servitude in Virginia as far as Black folks were concerned. The main difference between indentured slavery and full slavery was that the indentured service was a contract with a set number of years, the death rates and abuse rates were high, and both were a form of slavery. The first Black slaves were indentured for the cost of kidnapping and transporting them and had the same right to eventual freedom as the kidnapped Irish and Scots indentured servants who were often grabbed by the Government soldiers and dragged onto the ships. In the 1600 hundreds some Black indentured slaves achieved freedom, the main difference was that white freed persons could blend into the rest of the population the black ones stood out, and when the white indentured labour sources dried up the Virginia government, run by the rich planters passed laws to prevent Black servants from gaining their freedom, then they passed laws that declared any black person that had no actual manumission papers was automatically a slave, which led to children of freed black indentured servants being grabbed and sold since they had no papers of manumission, if you were black you were a slave unless you could prove otherwise.@@mickey10jb80
@@brendacooper5729through a little research, I see now that this is somewhat of a controversial topic in the historian world. I see articles that state what you just said but I also see a lot that say they were never truly indentured servants and basically were already being treated as slaves and they say there is evidence(although I didn't dive into it) that race already started to play a role shortly after 1619. It would be interesting to see documents and evidence from both sides. This is an interesting and good topic although I don't see the significance to the overall picture as it pertains to the 400 years that followed regardless of which is true.
I learned that this is still a marketing strategy today with some organizations such as children hospitals. I’ve seen these pictures before but I didn’t know the story behind them. I didn’t know it was propaganda used by abolitionist. I think it was a good strategy. I guess it may have helped to a certain degree.
Children’s Hospitals and organizations like Make a Wish definitely use propaganda to make their patients seem more diverse than they actually are. Sone children’s hospitals still have old photographs of mostly white children on their walls. That being said, they literally hire a photographer to come take pictures of the actual children in the hospital. If the hospital is in a white area, the result is mostly white patients. But, now a days, hospitals will write a number of how many kids of each race or disability they want, in order to look more diverse. So if a black child or a child with Down’s syndrome is admitted to the hospital, they will call their photographer in to try to get pictures. To me, this is propaganda, because they make it seem like their patients are more diverse than they actually are. It’s like they want brownie points for looking diverse, when they aren’t, because the population around the hospital is 98% white.
There are some people who look different nobody would ever guess the truth.
a part of history I never heard about till today. Thank you. I think it was working because 1. it removed the veil of color they were looking through, and 2. It was seen through parental eyes or made them vulnerable, so to speak. In a nutshell, it would seem that skin color alone had to be the biggest issue for a majority because remove that and get traction? I suppose propaganda occasionally has it's place afterall.
Child slavery is the spirit of Molech operating in the earth. Its been going on since the Mayan and Incan times, child sacrifice. Grieves my heart, still going on today...child traffiking
The activity required to produce the " fry" noises while pronouncing words. Where is that originated?
I have at least one verified ancestor like this, I'm sure there were more like her parents but I say one because I have a picture of her
An interesting tie in to your video can be the film Free State of Jones. The film mostly takes place during the Civil War, but there are scenes off the top of my head possibly in the 1960s. It's a descendant of the main character of the movie. That white man married and fathered kids with a black woman. Fast forward some generations ... the guy in the 60s couldn't marry a white girl because he was considered black even though he looked very white.
Another great video! Thank you!
Thank you for another thought-provoking video.
@ 11:13. I disagree with your perception that a black child wouldn't have successfully fundraise. We literally fought a war over it. After years of attempting to legislate it away. At the time of 1855 there were already huge debates over slavery. 1854 was the establishment of the Nebraska territory were slavery was outlawed.
Why did they wait hundreds of years to fight over black dark children being enslaved?
Not to mention that the USA fought a war over it while it was still totally legal and practiced in much of the world. William Wilberforce started a campaign in the UK forcing an end to the slave trade in West Africa, in which the UK sent ships over to patrol the coasts and fight tribes that were enslaving people, putting an end to it, despite much resistance. Before this, the slave trade had been going on for over 1000 years within Africa.
Not to mention that the USA fought a war over it while it was still legal and practiced in much of the world. William Wilberforce started a campaign in the UK forcing an end to the slave trade in West Africa, in which the UK sent ships over to patrol the coasts and fight locals that were enslaving people, putting an end to it, despite much resistance. Before this, the slave trade had been going on for over 1000 years in Africa.
@@zane62135 they did not put an end to it, just renamed and rebranded what they were doing and moved the focus of their enterprises to a different part of the world. After all America was now independent. There are numerous people”es around the world whose histories attest to this.
@@user-Mimi622 There was one difference. A former slave could leave the plantation without being hunted down. That is an important difference.
I grew up being loved and loving the wonderful black women that helped raise me, nothing but love. As an attorney, I always helped an elderly black lady. She said to me that she was my black mother. She wanted to leave her home to me. I would not let her. When she died no one would pay for her funeral.i did. Lots of Love in the past.
I want to introduce you NYTN and the audience to Joel Augustus Rogers, a Jamaican-American author, journalist, and historian known for his work in documenting the contributions of people of African descent to world history, especially *"Nature Knows No Color-Line"* (1952) - This book explores the history and contributions of people of African descent throughout the world.
"100 Amazing Facts About the Negro with Complete Proof" (1934) - A collection of historical and cultural facts about Black people, *World's Great Men of Color"* three vol 1 2 & 3(1946) - A comprehensive series of books in which Rogers profiles and discusses the accomplishments of people of African descent in various field, you would probably like volume three as it dealt with more the United States, how ridiculous the one drop rule worked or didn't, some of those pics are in his books, leading families who had a bit of that one drop thing going on, It may be a little dated, based on what "race" was supposed to be before the era of genetics, so it's not without criticism, but that's the beauty of it, he often brings receipts, I generally shared your upload on Quora Spaces.
Interesting story...I am going to guess that most of these children had mothers that were mixed race.
And possibly grandmothers and great grandmothers
You don't need to have a mixed parent to produce a child with that look.
@@Gemtiger614 True...but the chances are much higher. Look at Meaghan Markle's children. No doubt they will look like these children in the pictures and truly pass for white
@Gemtiger614
Nobody who is Black as midnight can produce a child that looks Caucasian, only light skin "Black" people can do that with a White person
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Human DNA is geared to bond with the familiar. The abolitionists had to search for all the tools in the box to find a connection. Even today, in different situations, humans tend to connect or not connect with an issue.
I think anyone who would enslave their own children are monsters... monsters enslave all kinds of people.
Please read “White Cargo” by Don Jordan & Michael Walsh
Lol! What does that piece of discredited and debunked whataboutery propaganda have to do with the topic at hand?
Not only were there children of slave owners, who were half white (or more), born into slavery, but in the 1700's there were completely Caucasian persons who were basically sold into slavery, called "indentured servitude", in America, for crimes committed in the United Kingdom. They usually had a term limit to their punishment, but they had the same standing as black slaves-for-life. ⛓
This analysis is very applicable of what is happening in Palestine. People (mostly white) support Israel because they look like them, while Palestinians are dehumanised because they are middle Eastern. When they see Palestinians that look eurocentric they are more convinced.
Netanyahu could easily pass for a Palestinian. Many Israelis and Palestinians can pass for each other. I used to have a doctor who was born in Syria, and who resembled Netanyahu quite a bit. I never told him that, of course. :D
Many Arabs are white.
@jdee3421
Benjamin Netanyahu looks like a White Man, he does not look like a Brown Man. He is not Brown like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Osama Bin Laden. I know Sicilians who are Browner than Benjamin Netanyahu.
If you publicise only very white looking Israelis, people who support Palestinians see that as "evidence" that there were never any Jews in Israel. There's another kind of reverse racism where white Europeans expect other white Europeans to know better and do better.
Personally, I support Israel because they wanted peace, and Hamas refused/refuses. They don’t want peace, they want Israel to be wiped off the face of the earth. They say so in their manifesto. Did Israeli soldiers rape civilians and murder children, and then celebrate after? I dare you to find proof of that. Hamas soldiers did. There are videos and photos. That alone is why I don’t support Hamas.
Just want to add that the people of Gaza that are not affiliated with Hamas are not who I’m talking about. They are obviously not involved and I feel horrible for the families that have been displaced and the innocent civilians who have died. But again, whose fault is that? The ones who attacked first. They are literally hiding behind women and children in hospitals, so when Israel retaliates, they can claim Israel is targeting innocent civilians, WHEN THEY PUT THEM THERE.
Well done 👍.
There were white slavery one of my great great great grandfathers was a white slave or " enduntured servent" He was intrested in the ships he was a very little boy and sold for the debt they said he owed because they found him while on the way to America the owners kept adding debt to him because of room and board so he could never pay the debt and continued as a slave
To NYTN have you ever heard of the book titled They were white and they were slaves? It tells a whole different side of history.
No but I’ll look! Thank you
@2:10 To your open question: Yes, propaganda IS always a bad thing because it is not okay to large-scale lie to people. Such lies affect generations and mislead humanity to take more dark turns.
They abolitionist were not lying, and these children were enslaved and considered tainted and in the lowest caste due to their ancestry. They used the pictures to try to end the enslavement of black people, which was a good thing.
It is true that orphans (of every color) were taken in as servants to other families. We see this a lot as students of genealogy. People can be so cruel.
I think there is also the aspect of these children are no different even if they're "black", so there is no justification for slavery based on race.
I can tell you for a fact that Lyman Beecher ( Harriets father) and Henry Ward Beecher ( Harriets brother) held a great many so called “ slave auctions in their churches, and that the vast majority of the freed slaves, who received the money paid for them as a means of helping them to start their new lives, were in fact black and not white. Most abolitionists truly loathed the condition of slavery and considered it a terrible sin. It seems as if you’ve lost sight of this fact, and would rather pretend that they only cared about white slaves, and only were peripherally concerned about the conditions of other enslaved people. I know it’s not sensational to admit it but the vast majority of abolitionists hated all slavery, not just the slavery of other whites. Paul A Beecher.
I agreed that many abolitionists already thought slavery was terrible, I mentioned that in the video. But this was a discussion of the (good?) propaganda. We don’t disagree at all.
They were all siblings even the darkskinned one that was usually pictured with them . Sometimes they would be pictured with their mother and grandfather
Abolitionist often focused on miscegenation as one of the reasons slavery should be abolished.
During the western era...most rich family would take children in who's parents were dead or killed and were used to take care of the property the children were fed and clothed and taken care of in turn for taking care of the property and doing chores ...
Today, officially there are 8 million slaves in Africa today. Yet, the mainstream media doesn't dare to even mention it, it's mainly a taboo subject in the West. Obama, while in power, always talked about slavery in America 200 years ago, but never brought up the fact of slavery in Africa these days.
I’ve brought that up in a video about why America is a great country. But I’m a history channel. I hope journalists continue to cover that important news!
Once again, you've brought up a topic I've never heard of and, while exploring it, introduced an equally fascinating philosophical problem just as new to me. I'm not sure I understand your distress, though, at certain points in the video, seemingly connected to maybe a moral emptiness revealed by people who needed to be spoonfed, through propaganda, a stronger rejection of slavery than they got from their abolitionist views. That's just my guess but, in any case, I feel I'm probably missing something.
To me, there's nothing objectionable or dismaying about using "white children" this way to drive home an anti slavery message. The fear these pictures strike in the white people who see them is not manipulative or dishonest at all. Ultimately, people do the right thing in a case like this because they empathize with the victim who needs their help. Of course, on a loftier level, doing what's right, doing justice is a good thing in and off itself and something all of us "should" do if we weren't so flawed. We're weak and selfish and sometimes have to be coaxed, even tricked into doing good, which is nevertheless doing good and probably makes future good deeds likelier. We do the same using pictures of shivering, abused kittens to get people to contribute to organizations that help neglected animals -- even those more mangey, stinky, and scary than cute. The connection it creates isn't artificial. These "white" enslaved kids, the desperate horror they create in the viewer is real and couldn't be more fundamentally justified. Slavery is and should be an abomination to us exactly because we wouldn't want it to happen to us or our loved ones however much we would prefer to escape the thought! To accommodate that fear and blunt the nagging feeling that it's wrong we like to feed each other reassuring lies this awful thing is justified somehow and that it cannot happen to us. We do that with prison and prisoners, especially with the idea of people in prison, convicted or even put to death for a crime they did not commit. We tell ourselves "they must have done _something,"_ or blame the jury/judge who failed and imagine the system itself will correct everything however ludicrous that sounds. But mostly, we like to deny it ever happens, at least not to good people like us. None of these flimsy fictions provides much psychic protection so it's crucial we put prisons in remote areas, discourage or cut off communication, increase sentences and anything else to keep the horror out of sight and mind.
In America, slavery based on race made it easy to view slaves as separate from everyone else. An official religious/political line that portrayed enslaving black people as ordained by God or the fulfillment of a benevolent imperative -- "civilizing" savages -- must have been of real comfort to anyone bothered by the reality of slavery. But it depended on race, which was a seemingly unambiguous distinction. What a relief!
In fact, the truth is, humans have demonstrated a willingness to enslave anyone whatever their race. Worse, race is really an arbitrary construct and a useless shield against being victimized, even enslaved. So, these photographs of apparently (or really) Caucasian children honestly conveyed a warning of a true danger as much as a theoretical one. The "one drop" view of race made it an inevitable reality. Using these pictures of "white" slave children may be seen to cater to some inherently narrow minded racism in their intended audience but, assuming that's the source of your discomfort, is that really so bad? Isn't that just one of the expected shortcomings typical of probably most people? And it's not a permanent condition but something we can and do learn to overcome. It's a little like the indifferent cruelty we see in children pulling the legs off a bug. It is definitely distressing but it's not an inexorable destiny, more ignorance than sadism.
Daniella was just expressing how sad it was that photos of black enslaved children wouldn’t have caused people to fund their freedom, welcome them into their homes, and allow them to go to school. People thought these children must be saved because they were white. Is it great starting point? I think so. Is it good to meet people where they are at in their journey to enlightenment? I think so. Is it sad that that people thought white children were more worthy of being freet? ABSOLUTELY!
They would change the names and some of the histories . Notice how they mention mulatto as ancestory because you automatically think white looking themselves but no theirs many mulatto that were dark skinned as well
My great granny looked white, and so did her father. I'm Black American.
Very interesting. I think it helps me to understand propaganda better. And I took marketing 101 years ago. I now see the marketing aspects.
I love how they try to flip things... more than likely she is an endtured servant or she was mixed.... period.
Forreal yet while talking about propaganda 😂
They were enslaved because their black mothers were enslaved and they had black ancestry, which is/was all that was needed for enslavement. Who is flipping the script?