Seriously. During that time and even now we can see how the marriage looks perfect in all ways you look at it. Good for Catherine, good for henry, good for their countries. It just fell apart......ugh
Claire , I am loving your Tudor history Channel, which I stumbled upon via your video on “the sweating sickness”. Very insightful and interesting all around! And you’ve done a wonderful job bringing Anne Boleyn into the 21st century. Many thanks for your videos! - Matteo
🇦🇺 I continue to learn more and more! You are such a wonderful teacher and I enjoyed this video as much as I do all ... others. 👏👏👏 "Stay well" and "thank you" so much Claire xx
I can't wait for part 2! Thank you for this awesome presentation. I thoroughly enjoy listening to whatever you post on this channel. Take care, Lindsay in Wisconsin
Love the video. It has been argued that the portrait traditionally believed to be the young Catherine of Aragon is in fact Henry VIII's younger sister, Mary. I personally think it is more likely to be Mary than Catherine, as the evidence certainly seems to suggest this. What is your opinion, Claire?
I believe that it's more likely to be Catherine. We know that Michel Sittow did some work at the Spanish court and I haven't found the arguments for a re-identification as Mary compelling at all.
My last name starts with the letter "B", and I'm delighted I not only got a knockoff of the infamous necklace of Anne's, but I can use it in the comments now as a subscriber of this wonderful channel. Thanks for all you do, Claire; the subscription is worth every penny. I enjoyed this video, looking forward to more and the upcoming discussion as well.
That was yet another fascinating video. I'm writing though, to ask about a theory I recently heard to the effect that T.Cromwell was working from bad info provided to him by Henry Percy which led him to arrange the Anne of Cleves marriage without taking into consideration a dispute between Anne's brother and the Holy Roman Emperor. The subsequent annulment was Henry's way to stop sitting on a picket fence, and the diplomatic fiasco lead directly to Cromwell's death. Have you encountered the theory and what do you think? Was it "a dish best served cold"?
Thanks for your clarification. It was another UA-cam video a few months back, and I'm sorry but I didn't write down the presenter's name. It is possible that I got the name of the avenger wrong. I do that sort of thing. I recall that the presenter said she was working from German sources and that she stated this was the common understanding of the cause of the annulment in continental Europe.
I appreciate you giving accurate information. I used to be a fan of a “historian” online and I found out that she was completely wrong about a lot of things. For example she said that the reason why Anne got beheaded was because she wanted to give free healthcare to Tudor Enough 😂
@3:46 I always get so sad when I recall what Sir Thomas Moore said about Henry the 8th at his coronation... If he only knew the tears he, along with countless others, would weep from the Henry's doing...
According to Garret Mattingly, Catherine's biographer, Ferdinand told the English ambassador that Catherine’s dowry was a charge on the treasury of Castile and would never be paid from Aragon, and wrote his daughter that God alone knew his sadness when he thought of her trying life, that King Philip’s recklessness had been the cause of all her troubles, that she was to be patient, on no account to touch the plate, and to look to the King of England for wherewithal to live.
Julia Fox, in her biography of Juana and Catherine, she writes: “Close to his departure, Ferdinand reminded Philip that money was still owed on Katherine’s dowry. This had become Philip’s responsibility; the debt was Castile’s, not Ferdinand’s. Katherine would be “well married” if the money was sent to England, “lost” if it was not, so Philip should send it as quickly as possible. And knowing Henry, Ferdinand advised Philip to make sure he got a receipt.“
Arthur and Catherine's attendants and others witnessed them being put to bed and the marriage bed being blessed, but that was it. They were left in private to consummate the marriage and only they know what happened that night and in the following few months.
Por convivir con un hombre se consideraba consumado el matrimonio, da igual que la mujer fuese virgen o no. A Catalina no se le hubiesen cerrado las puertas a un segundo matrimonio por ser viuda, virgen o no. Ella era joven, fértil e hija de dos reyes muy poderosos. Cualquier rey o príncipe la habría aceptado por la importante alianza política con sus padres y dote. Incluso Henry VII no tuvo escrúpulos en querer casarse con su propia nuera. No era este caso más "escandaloso" que una boda entre cuñados? Henry VII era el padre político de Catalina y ella la mujer de su hijo. Según el Deuteronomio, el hermano estaba obligado a casarse con su cuñada viuda si esta no tenía hijos con el difunto marido, como era el caso de Arturo y Catalina, matrimonio sin hijos. Yo nunca he visto la necesidad de mentir. Catalina también necesitó una dispensa papal para casarse con Arturo por grado de parentesco, del mismo modo que la necesitó con Enrique.
henry viii & catarina d aragon, were related...as distant cousins,... via the red prince, john of gaunt -ghent* ancestor of the royal tudors, the beaufourts,lancaster, york and a plantagent prince related to nobility & royalty in england, france & spain ,,.,portugal,burgundy, scotland, wales, ireland.... etc. queen philipa of lancaster, queen consort of 1387 - 1415* reina filipa, who married the aviz dynasty of portugal,,, the ancestor of the *illustrious generation & the anglo-portuegese alliance of 1373-2023 marks its annivesary... also much more distant in history, their shared ancestor queen eleanor , or aelnor of aquitaine, duchess, queen consort of france & england, wife to louis VII capet & henry II plantagent.. catherine of aragon, also had Leonor d avengin or queen eleanor of england* plantagent, queen consort of castillle ..1170 - 1214, daughter of queen eleanor of aquitaine & henry II of england... also another daughter,of HENRY II PLANTAGENT queen consort blanche* blanca d aragon. 1223 - 1226 of france... and later regent-queen mother of ....ancestor to the royal french house of VALOIS.. HENRY VIII ancestor.. Queen katrin d valois, queen consort catherine of valois, wife to henry V of lancaster & lord owain -owen ap tewdar* later tudor...
Isabella was proud of the fact that she only Bathed twice in her life. When she was born, again when she Married Ferdinand. I Love Catharines Red blazing Hair. Glad you're Back. Missed Ya!!!!
Truth be told, Katherine got the better end of the deal in her marriage to Henry: he was tall, handsome (with good hair and fine clothes), charismatic, artistic, and - never a trifling factor - rich. Henry rescued Katherine from the limbo she was in after Arthur died. He rescued her from penury. He probably also rescued her from spinsterhood. Considering that Katherine was six years older than him, Henry condescended somewhat in marrying her. Although Henry left Katherine high and dry - and separated Katherine from their daughter - he was correct in their dealings and generally showed her respect, as far as that goes. Additionally, although we don't understand this in our present age, it was understood by both parties - king and queen - that the production of children was the queen's duty. The broodmare aspect of Katherine's role was a tacit reality of her marriage.
I don't know, Catherine was a huge influence in their early marriage. She was an advisor to him and was level-headed and shrewd. I think she helped the young "prince" turn into a king.
Sorry, got interrupted by the front door! I don't think Henry condescended to marry her, I think he fancied her. He didn't have to marry her, but chose to, and everything suggests that they were very much in love. He really looked to her for advice and guidance prior to the rise of Wolsey. I think the waning of her influence and then the stillbirths led to her loss of favour. Oh yes, the production of an heir and a spare was the queen consort's duty, but Catherine couldn't understand why Mary couldn't be the heir and she received an education fit for a Prince of Wales.
@@anneboleynfiles Henry first met Katherine when he was 9 or 10. He escorted her to her wedding. I don't doubt that the she formed a very lasting impression on the young Henry's mind. Being a second son, I wouldn't put it past Henry to covet what his older brother had had, either. This is chiefly why Henry wanted to marry her, I suspect: the fantasy of memory and desire stemming from fraternal envy. I think Henry leaned on Katherine because he was alone: his father was dead, his mother was dead, his grandmother was dead (compare to how Francis I of France relied upon his still living mother and sister). Henry's grandfather, Edward IV (who Henry much resembled), had his cousin Warwick and two brothers buttressing his regime. Realistically, Henry had his uncle - Edward's bastard, Arthur Plantagenet - and his younger sister Mary (his older sister was in Scotland). Charles Brandon had no position in the Privy Council. The Duke of Buckingham was an aggrandized lord and a potential claimant to the throne. The de la Pole brothers were in the Tower. The king had no base of support (and why he would rely on outsiders who owed their position to him - Thomas Wolsey, Thomas More, Thomas Cromwell, Thomas Cranmer). Katherine was given the regency while Henry was fighting on the continent because she was the one who he could trust. Eventually, Cardinal Wolsey crowded out Katherine, and this was a result of Katherine failing to produce an heir as well as Henry becoming more comfortable in his role and more comfortable with Wolsey in his role. I don't think Henry confided in Katherine because he _ipso facto_ valued her for her qualities; it was more of a needs must situation. In the BBC's _The Last Days of Anne Boleyn,_ interviewee Hilary Mantel, noting Anne Boleyn's attempts to influence diplomacy - specifically, the marriage of her daughter to a French prince - says that Henry didn't want advice from his wife. I believe this analysis to be accurate. Henry didn't want a female heir to assume the throne out of mixture of concern that the kingdom wouldn't hold together under female leadership (civil war having afflicted England for decades in the recent past) as well as needing to salvage his fragile ego by producing a male (real men producing men, in his line of thinking).
I am so, SO happy to see a “regular “ UA-cam video from you. I have really missed you.
Thank you!
Me too ❤❤
Ah,yes. The great union. What could go wrong.
Lmao 😂 I don’t know why but that cracked me up!
@@timefoolery And history repeated it with Mary and Philip.
Seriously. During that time and even now we can see how the marriage looks perfect in all ways you look at it. Good for Catherine, good for henry, good for their countries. It just fell apart......ugh
It is so sad that Catherine ended up being treated the way she was.
What could go wrong? Henry was an idiot
She is such an interesting queen! Love learning about them all
Claire ,
I am loving your Tudor history Channel, which I stumbled upon via your video on “the sweating sickness”.
Very insightful and interesting all around!
And you’ve done a wonderful job bringing Anne Boleyn into the 21st century.
Many thanks for your videos!
- Matteo
I can understand Henry's frustration, so many times he had to take the blue baby clothes back to Mothercare.
I’m glad to see another video from you. Looking forward to part 2. Cheers from San Antonio Texas.
🇦🇺 I continue to learn more and more! You are such a wonderful teacher and I enjoyed this video as much as I do all
... others. 👏👏👏 "Stay well" and "thank you" so much Claire xx
Aw, thank you!
I can't wait for part 2! Thank you for this awesome presentation. I thoroughly enjoy listening to whatever you post on this channel. Take care, Lindsay in Wisconsin
Thank you so much for your kind words!
What a brilliant video thank you Claire 😊
I'm glad you enjoyed it, thank you!
Wow! My birthday is on the eleventh of June!🎉 I won't forget their anniversary! Lol
You can celebrate both!
Love the video. It has been argued that the portrait traditionally believed to be the young Catherine of Aragon is in fact Henry VIII's younger sister, Mary. I personally think it is more likely to be Mary than Catherine, as the evidence certainly seems to suggest this. What is your opinion, Claire?
I believe that it's more likely to be Catherine. We know that Michel Sittow did some work at the Spanish court and I haven't found the arguments for a re-identification as Mary compelling at all.
Claire, thrilled with this podcast. Thank you.
Thank you!
You are a marvelous teacher❤
Thank you!
Very informative
Fabulous explanations Claire! 😊
Thank you!
My last name starts with the letter "B", and I'm delighted I not only got a knockoff of the infamous necklace of Anne's, but I can use it in the comments now as a subscriber of this wonderful channel. Thanks for all you do, Claire; the subscription is worth every penny. I enjoyed this video, looking forward to more and the upcoming discussion as well.
Thank you so very much for your support and encouragement, Marilyn.
Katherine of Aragon…..such strength and courage. Henry is an idiot. He didn’t know what he had
Love Katherine, best of all his wives !
That was yet another fascinating video. I'm writing though, to ask about a theory I recently heard to the effect that T.Cromwell was working from bad info provided to him by Henry Percy which led him to arrange the Anne of Cleves marriage without taking into consideration a dispute between Anne's brother and the Holy Roman Emperor. The subsequent annulment was Henry's way to stop sitting on a picket fence, and the diplomatic fiasco lead directly to Cromwell's death. Have you encountered the theory and what do you think? Was it "a dish best served cold"?
Henry Percy died a few years before the marriage was arranged so that seems a very odd theory. Where did you read that?
Thanks for your clarification. It was another UA-cam video a few months back, and I'm sorry but I didn't write down the presenter's name. It is possible that I got the name of the avenger wrong. I do that sort of thing. I recall that the presenter said she was working from German sources and that she stated this was the common understanding of the cause of the annulment in continental Europe.
Is there a link to part 2?
I appreciate you giving accurate information. I used to be a fan of a “historian” online and I found out that she was completely wrong about a lot of things. For example she said that the reason why Anne got beheaded was because she wanted to give free healthcare to Tudor Enough 😂
Oh, I think I know who you mean! Thank you!
@3:46 I always get so sad when I recall what Sir Thomas Moore said about Henry the 8th at his coronation... If he only knew the tears he, along with countless others, would weep from the Henry's doing...
Yes! Henry had such potential.
Do we know why Ferdinand never sent the dowry? You’d think he’d have gotten around to it in 7 freakin years of urgency by his own daughter
According to Garret Mattingly, Catherine's biographer, Ferdinand told the English ambassador that Catherine’s dowry was a charge on the treasury of Castile and would never be paid from Aragon, and wrote his daughter that God alone knew his sadness when he thought of her trying life, that King Philip’s recklessness had been the cause of all her troubles, that she was to be patient, on no account to touch the plate, and to look to the King of England for wherewithal to live.
Julia Fox, in her biography of Juana and Catherine, she writes: “Close to his departure, Ferdinand reminded Philip that money was still owed on Katherine’s dowry. This had become Philip’s responsibility; the debt was Castile’s, not Ferdinand’s. Katherine would be “well married” if the money was sent to England, “lost” if it was not, so Philip should send it as quickly as possible. And knowing Henry, Ferdinand advised Philip to make sure he got a receipt.“
Considering that they were married for a few month and the entire court witnessed the first night we can assume the marriage was legitimate.
Arthur and Catherine's attendants and others witnessed them being put to bed and the marriage bed being blessed, but that was it. They were left in private to consummate the marriage and only they know what happened that night and in the following few months.
Por convivir con un hombre se consideraba consumado el matrimonio, da igual que la mujer fuese virgen o no. A Catalina no se le hubiesen cerrado las puertas a un segundo matrimonio por ser viuda, virgen o no. Ella era joven, fértil e hija de dos reyes muy poderosos. Cualquier rey o príncipe la habría aceptado por la importante alianza política con sus padres y dote. Incluso Henry VII no tuvo escrúpulos en querer casarse con su propia nuera. No era este caso más "escandaloso" que una boda entre cuñados? Henry VII era el padre político de Catalina y ella la mujer de su hijo. Según el Deuteronomio, el hermano estaba obligado a casarse con su cuñada viuda si esta no tenía hijos con el difunto marido, como era el caso de Arturo y Catalina, matrimonio sin hijos. Yo nunca he visto la necesidad de mentir. Catalina también necesitó una dispensa papal para casarse con Arturo por grado de parentesco, del mismo modo que la necesitó con Enrique.
henry viii & catarina d aragon,
were related...as distant cousins,...
via
the red prince, john of gaunt -ghent* ancestor of the royal tudors, the beaufourts,lancaster, york and a plantagent prince related to nobility & royalty in england, france & spain ,,.,portugal,burgundy, scotland, wales, ireland.... etc.
queen philipa of lancaster, queen consort of 1387 - 1415* reina filipa, who married the aviz dynasty of portugal,,,
the ancestor of the *illustrious generation & the anglo-portuegese alliance of 1373-2023 marks its annivesary...
also much more distant in history,
their shared ancestor
queen eleanor , or aelnor of aquitaine, duchess, queen consort of france & england, wife to louis VII capet & henry II plantagent..
catherine of aragon,
also had
Leonor d avengin or queen eleanor of england* plantagent, queen consort of castillle ..1170 - 1214, daughter of queen eleanor of aquitaine & henry II of england...
also another daughter,of HENRY II PLANTAGENT
queen consort blanche* blanca d aragon. 1223 - 1226 of france... and later regent-queen mother of
....ancestor to the royal french house of VALOIS..
HENRY VIII ancestor..
Queen katrin d valois, queen consort catherine of valois,
wife to henry V of lancaster & lord owain -owen ap tewdar* later tudor...
Isabella was proud of the fact that she only Bathed twice in her life. When she was born, again when she Married Ferdinand. I Love Catharines Red blazing Hair. Glad you're Back. Missed Ya!!!!
Thank you! I've been doing shorts regularly so do catch up on those.
Truth be told, Katherine got the better end of the deal in her marriage to Henry: he was tall, handsome (with good hair and fine clothes), charismatic, artistic, and - never a trifling factor - rich. Henry rescued Katherine from the limbo she was in after Arthur died. He rescued her from penury. He probably also rescued her from spinsterhood. Considering that Katherine was six years older than him, Henry condescended somewhat in marrying her. Although Henry left Katherine high and dry - and separated Katherine from their daughter - he was correct in their dealings and generally showed her respect, as far as that goes. Additionally, although we don't understand this in our present age, it was understood by both parties - king and queen - that the production of children was the queen's duty. The broodmare aspect of Katherine's role was a tacit reality of her marriage.
I don't know, Catherine was a huge influence in their early marriage. She was an advisor to him and was level-headed and shrewd. I think she helped the young "prince" turn into a king.
Sorry, got interrupted by the front door!
I don't think Henry condescended to marry her, I think he fancied her. He didn't have to marry her, but chose to, and everything suggests that they were very much in love. He really looked to her for advice and guidance prior to the rise of Wolsey. I think the waning of her influence and then the stillbirths led to her loss of favour.
Oh yes, the production of an heir and a spare was the queen consort's duty, but Catherine couldn't understand why Mary couldn't be the heir and she received an education fit for a Prince of Wales.
@@anneboleynfiles Henry first met Katherine when he was 9 or 10. He escorted her to her wedding. I don't doubt that the she formed a very lasting impression on the young Henry's mind. Being a second son, I wouldn't put it past Henry to covet what his older brother had had, either. This is chiefly why Henry wanted to marry her, I suspect: the fantasy of memory and desire stemming from fraternal envy. I think Henry leaned on Katherine because he was alone: his father was dead, his mother was dead, his grandmother was dead (compare to how Francis I of France relied upon his still living mother and sister). Henry's grandfather, Edward IV (who Henry much resembled), had his cousin Warwick and two brothers buttressing his regime. Realistically, Henry had his uncle - Edward's bastard, Arthur Plantagenet - and his younger sister Mary (his older sister was in Scotland). Charles Brandon had no position in the Privy Council. The Duke of Buckingham was an aggrandized lord and a potential claimant to the throne. The de la Pole brothers were in the Tower. The king had no base of support (and why he would rely on outsiders who owed their position to him - Thomas Wolsey, Thomas More, Thomas Cromwell, Thomas Cranmer). Katherine was given the regency while Henry was fighting on the continent because she was the one who he could trust. Eventually, Cardinal Wolsey crowded out Katherine, and this was a result of Katherine failing to produce an heir as well as Henry becoming more comfortable in his role and more comfortable with Wolsey in his role. I don't think Henry confided in Katherine because he _ipso facto_ valued her for her qualities; it was more of a needs must situation. In the BBC's _The Last Days of Anne Boleyn,_ interviewee Hilary Mantel, noting Anne Boleyn's attempts to influence diplomacy - specifically, the marriage of her daughter to a French prince - says that Henry didn't want advice from his wife. I believe this analysis to be accurate. Henry didn't want a female heir to assume the throne out of mixture of concern that the kingdom wouldn't hold together under female leadership (civil war having afflicted England for decades in the recent past) as well as needing to salvage his fragile ego by producing a male (real men producing men, in his line of thinking).
I hate history so much 😡😡😡😡😡