The New Poll Tax? What is "EV Poverty" and Why We Should All be Concerned
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In today's video, I discuss a very real issue facing today's motorists - the increasingly large divide between those who can afford an EV (or Electric car) and those who cannot. With deadlines now in place restricting the usage of many fossil fuel vehicles, and bans coming on the sale of new ICE products - are EVs a realistic and practical solution for all?
Today, in response to a comment that I see frequently I address one very specific part of the EV debate that I feel is often overlooked, yet key.
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U may be a bit chubby. You do have a flowery shirt, you may come across as whingey/ranty. But you made some excellent points. 👏
how about recycling batteries instead of junkyarding them, theres redwood company... for now almost none of them are recyled, should be keeping them from being wasted so we can really make use of it all. so hybrids lower emissions with limited supply better than ev, because its thaat non optimal rpm and low speed high pushing power situations where lot of the work is done, and done better by electrics. what battery size is best for longveity? the more parrallaels you add, the more divded across many cells the degradation is, but effiency goes down exponentially so increased energy flow worsens things... i guess a plug in hybrid would be best(133mpge previous generaiton prius prime, charged by house charger overnight). see aptera onwers club vide on saftey, lightweight is safer for people in others weaker cars in crash, and less road wear(cost in emisions, resources, money etc). what is cheaper to own in money and time?(i guess a used market prius prime) .
Thanks for just linking to them instead of taking up 5 mins of my time talking about them like some other channels do! 😀
Illuminati Tax🔺👁️😈
Really respect you for this video.
turning all cars back into a luxury for the rich ,rather than a tool for the rest of us.
Sure lets keep burning expensive difficult to extract Liquid Fuel.
@@Neojhun let's maybe target the crude tanker ships burning much more energy to transport millions of tonnes of useless tatt
@@Neojhun As opposed to inefficient, toxic and requiring lots of energy to mine and make "green energy"???
@@Neojhun lithium is harder to mine.and less of it.
its 1903 all over again
People in London probably wouldn’t believe that I live in a rural area with the nearest train station a 15 minute drive away. Busses when they run, routes are extremely limited and don’t go where I need to go or at a time that is of any use to me. Driving is completely essential to me and our entire community. I am someone that can’t afford a newer car, this new world order completely sickens me. I don’t know where we are all heading.
We’re heading for a cross between the dark ages and Hunger Games.
Woe is me...
15min drive to the bus stop? Really that's easy. Here in my corner of Canada, buses only run once ever half hour, and stop at 9pm.
Also don't even think about trains...via rail is like buying a plane ticket! You need to weigh your baggage, wait for hours and pay hundreds for your ticket!
Edit: I sound bitter about it, but really I just want better buses, trams, and bicycle paths. If I can live the rest of my life without having to drive, it would make me happier.
@@arnaudmenard5114 You have a bus? In rural Pennsylvania where I live the nearest bus is a 30 min drive. There is one gas station 5 mins away, the next closest gas station is 15 mins away. Major transport hubs such as train stations are 1 hour away. Also train travel is basically the same here.
@@TheMicro4 you’re all saying the same thing:
Transportation is good.
ICE car is transportation.
ICE car is good.
We all agree.
sadly people don't see this is all about control, they want us on electricity as it's a lot easier to flip a switch and cut us off if we don't "behave" then if we had other means of living off the grid... one of these programs are a one thing, combine it with the gas stove ban that has resurfaced in the US, the 15 minute city concept being pushed in parts of Europe, especially in Britian, and too many other programs to list here, and it's easy to see a pattern.
I respect that you are sensitive to those who are not as fortunate as you. It's a rare trait to be wealthy yet sympathetic to the plight of the regular people. Kudos!
Totally Agree
Like Nancy pelosi said us peasants
I recently rented a hybrid/electric car and drove it between St.Louis and Chicago 4x over 1250 miles.
I tried charging it no fewer than 8 times and each time the charger was broken, the line 5-6 cars deep or it would only take a certain app that linked to my credit card.
I just filled the tank with gas.
You got the wrong car and used it on the wrong scenario
Electrify America etc are really bad.. sadly for your scenario it is better to have a gas car or a Tesla.
Electric cars are amazing if you can charge them at home.. and for long range drives they are ok
@@aitorbleda8267 obviously the wrong car.
I rented 27 different cars last year, only the one was electric.
It is no wonder why Teslas are always the slowest cars on the road. They may have the ability to go fast, but the drivers know they better not drain that battery because the only reliable charge is at their house and they have to make it back there.
You should of got the self charging hybrid it’s fuss free and no need to stop multiple times
@@lesrush6298 That or he didn't switch the system on when driving. (Thought all hybrids have the battery recharge whilst driving on fuel)
@Ned Murry I've never heard about the need to "switch" on a system. Can you give an example of a car where thus is necessary?
Agree 100% with this. I’m one of those people who has a cheap car,£500, as my only means of transport. I’m disabled and a carer for my daughter. Twice a week she goes to therapy in a neighbouring town. By car it’s 45minutes each way and it’s calm as she’s in an environment she knows and is not over stimulated. Two weeks ago my car broke down so we had to go by bus , 2hrs there and 2hours back. It was hell, she just couldn’t cope at all. Ended up jury rigging my car to run just to get her there and back calmly, until I could afford the correct part for the engine. There is no way in hell can I afford to buy,let alone run an EV. Just not possible. Public transport just doesn’t work in my area, taxi would be £35 each way.
As for heating, I’ve turned mine down as much as I can and still keep her comfortable but I still reckon I will be stuck when the bill becomes due. Like many others, my income isn’t keeping pace with rampant inflation.
As the saying goes “the rich get richer,while the poor just get poorer “.
Get use to it as it's coming to all poor people...👍
Jeremy, my heart goes out to you - please see my comment above. Inflation is a tax on those less well off in society. Public transport is no solution for you and your daughter. You are especially reliant on your private vehicle - it's not a luxury for you or many other people. Without it your and your daughter's quality of life would be severely diminished and this cannot be allowed to happen. We need to debate this in the public sphere, or we will have no say in what will be a complete change in the way our government prices our freedom to have private transportation.
I am a single parent with a cheap and cheerful car that can't afford anything better as my money goes on housing, food, gas, electric and everything else. I can't see me EVER being able to afford a brand new car. I buy cars that are at least 10 years old, these bloody EVs don't even last that long and buying a new battery for one is almost as much as buying a new bloody car! These EVs will be thrown away long before they come down in price enough for me to afford one.
EVs should NOT be our future, we are already in a massive energy crisis and the more that buy EVs the worst that will get. They aren't particularly cheap to run either. They will also be more damaging to the environment unless huge changes occur in how we get our electric that is used to charge the bloody things up! At the moment the vast majority of our power is coming from........coal burning power stations! Bloody wind farms and solar power (surely a joke in the UK!) don't produce anywhere near enough power for us now, let alone with the increasing numbers of EVs. We are just not ready for wide spread use of EVs and believing that we are is delusional.
I do feel for you but you are completely wrong on a number of points:
1. EV’s will last far longer than 10 years, and there is far less to go wrong when they do. (There are plenty of high mileage Leafs running around absolutely perfectly already)
2. Most of our electricity comes from natural gas, not coal. That’s far from ideal, but not the disaster the media make it out to be.
3. By 2030 the infrastructure will be in place, just look at how far we have come in the last 3/4 years. 2030 ICE ban is still 7 years away…
Ever heard of car sharing?
Very well put . I've got a 1991 Toyota Surf which I've owned the last for 17 years. "Polluting dirty diesel 4x4." I've been told. "How many cars have you had in that time?" Is my question to them. Then the realism of it all comes to fruition .
I’d bet you’ve actually saved 5x the carbon emissions keeping the impossible to kill Toyota that long than had you bought and replaced several EV cars in that time
Same, I had my diesel shitty Dacia for 13 years.. got only 180k km's on the odometer.. I believe a properly maintained old diesel car used once or twice a week for shopping is more ecofriendly than an EV. I'm going for a thank of diesel every month and a half ... maybe even 2 months.. you're telling me that an EV used every day and that cannot be resold because of the range loss or recycled after 5 years is better?
I've been saying this for years! Really the only thing that kills modern (EFI) cars (prior to planned obsolescence cars of the past decade) is corrosion and neglected maintainence. Corrosion can be addressed with welding at a local body shop, and maintainence, well, just stick to the manufacturers servicing schedule and you'll be fine. Not only are you being lest wasteful by keeping an older car allowing it to have a longer lifespan, you're also keeping local businesses alive! But that's not the government/car manufacturer's agenda is it?
I have a 1.6 petrol 2006 Citroen C2 which is one of the last mechanically-simple/basic-electronics cars, and that 1996-2010 era of Peugeot-Citroen cars are all built from the same parts bin so spares are plenty. Always kept it well maintained, and this summer I'm going to shell out for some welding work on the arches and sills, and maybe a refurbed rear beam. Will cost more than the value of the car to do but that's not the point, and will still be far more affordable than forking out for a new EV.
If we get to the point where the government is absolutely hellbent on forcing ICE cars off the road, then I'm only going to get it EV converted lol. You've got to be joking if you think my hard earned cash is ever going on a subscription to activate my windscreen wipers or whatever the fuck bullshit the upper middle classes will lap up in droves in the name of status symbolism and delusions of grandeur.
Same with me have defender for at least 25 years. What do people think once the majority of people are running electric ⚡️. Electricity will not be as cheep your smart charger will tell your utility how much you have used and low and behold there is a good lump of fuel tax.
Can’t even guarantee to be able to park in my street. Just as well I run a 2002 crv.
Your points are absolutely valid and I totally agree. With all the pushing, not just for EVs, lately it seems that our governments are trying to reinstate a two class society. Freedom of travel is just one of many things that are a thorn in their eyes.
This is pretty much what Ive been thinking. They also get to control us two ways: one by controlling where our money goes and another by shorter ranges hampered by long charging times.
As an American, I am so pleased to hear that it's not just Americans that feel this way!!! Thank you!!!
One of the most baffling things, to me, is the plan to shift everyone to EV when we currently can't even generate enough electricity to cover current usage. Just months ago we were discussing the possibility of rolling blackouts, various companies have gone broke and the energy producers aren't being regulated. And yet they think they can get this sorted within a decade? I can barely affort petrol for my car, and am struggling to pay the electric bill. So basically, I'm fucked either way, it seems.
It's all about controlling the lower classes. We don't have enough raw materials to replace every petrol vehicle with EV. Once the fossil fueled vehicles are off the road , EV price will soar as there won't be enough to go around, hence the poor will be house bound or sruck on public transport.
@@nigelliam153 nonsense.
@@AdeboFunkyVoodoo so where is all the copper cobalt and lithium going to come from?
Since the start of the industrial revolution there has never been a decade where we've double our supply of base metals. We will have to increase the above 4 fold just to replace every petrol car with an EV by 2035, it won't happen, so if the WEF gets its way the stupid Europeans are going to be a stuck in their 15 minute cities borrowing communal EVs due to lack of supply
Eating bugs.
@@AdeboFunkyVoodoo he's correct
This is deliberate so they can introduce energy rationing to keep you imprisoned your own neighbourhood.
It's the same thing here in Norway. Rich people who can pay for a brand new Tesla, don't have to pay for the road tolls and can drive in the bus lane. It's slowly changing back to normal for EV owners, but that's just because almost all new cars sold these days are EVs. Poor people or working class people who drive 15 year old cars, don't get any benefits of the EV craze.
I have a 15 year old diesel car, but of course I’ll swap it for an electric when it’s done.
@@AmateurBMS With what, though? There aren't that many good, cheap EVs that can replace an old diesel, especially if you plan on using it for anything else than daily commutes shorter than 50 km (a friend of mine bought the 1 st gen Leaf and he got 100 km range during summer and 45 km during winter).
HOW MANY POOR PEOPLE DO YOU KNOW DRIVE 30,000 CARS ANYWAY. stop conning people.
@@someone1tohold What are you even talking about. Where did I say poor people buy €30 000 cars?
@@AgentSmith911 that's the problem, you didn't. you bitched about ev's and then like you've been watching foux news's left out current car's. like a horse to the carrot you didn't look to either side or outside that drawn out guided path they set you upon.
This is probably my favourite video of yours James, I also think it's the most important, more people need to speak up about this. I hate the way governments have been force feeding us EV's, it's seemed fishy to me from the start. Let people decide what they want to buy, let the free market do it's job. I completely agree with you, it's just a tax on the poor. It's absolutely ridiculous and cruel that somebody who can spend $100,000-$170,000 on a Tesla or electric Porsche is exempt from these new charges, but a cleaner on minimum wage who can only afford a 2004 Astra has to pay. Ironically, keeping an older car running is much better for the environment that mining lithium and cobalt to build a brand new electric car. The worst part is the massive lie that it's for the sake of "the environment", give me a break, the government couldn't care less about the environment, they just want more of our money to spend.
Very well put
If every car is an EV there is the fact that all EVs will be wanting to charge overnight and so over night electricity will no longer be off peak due to every car on the road wanting to charge at that time so off peak prices will possibly disappear !
Yeah cause everyone works 9-5
I totally agree. EVs should be an option, not forced to us as the only option
That's not even possible due to Manufacturing Supply Chain limitations. You are just pushing an absurd political agenda.
Exactly
You gotta love it politicians think they are smarter than the free market.
They are. 🤷
What I've been saying all along as soon as the Leftists (or as I call them "knuckleheads" to put it nicely) in America and in Europe that have been proposing and pushing to go all-electric by fifteen years or less from now. Such insanity. It's like they don't know what they're talking about but know exactly what they're doing with that going green (more like "cha-ching!" 💵💶) malarkey. It should only be an option to own an EV rather than be imposed upon the general public as many won't have the access and convenience to "fill up" as easily and quickly as a regular ICE car. The planet is doing fine, really. The people are not as so many gullible folks are falling for this huge scam.
By the way, I have two ICE cars and one EV. The EV is an "investment" to save money on fuel for the daily drives of at least 50 miles/80km per day. Now let's see how the car holds up in five years from now. Maybe what I've saved during that time will be spent on replacing the battery or fixing the software/hardware issues. Only time will tell.
This really hits home for me. I live in South London within the ULEZ zone. Myself and my partner have and use quite frequently a VW Transporter for camping and other various outdoor activities. Our van, a 2002 T4 cost us £2k to buy. A ULEZ compliant 2017 T6 would set us back a minimum of £25k for a similar specification. Thus meaning we would have to drive every day for more than 5 years in order to recoup the cost of ULEZ at £12.50. Beyond this Lewisham Council have started penalising owners of older vehicles by charging them almost double for a parking permit to park outside their own home in comparison to a ULEZ compliant vehicle. I fully agree with cleaning the air within the city and see the need for a crack down pollution, however wouldn't a charge for commuters traveling solo in a 10mpg SUV in and out of the city daily be more appropriate?! The ULEZ in its current form IS a poor tax, I would love to drive a newer less polluting Van or even an electric one if they make one with good range, but when the cost of even an almost 10 year old model is more than my yearly income that's just not feasible.
Consider this when it comes to voting for you local councillors...and mayor 😉
@@clusterm2 Im sorry to say that almost all councillors are on board with this WEF plan to put is back into the dark ages as they become the new lords of the land and us their serfs or worse .....ie we are not even here !!!!
Mate you don’t still believe in voting do you?
Time to move out of London perhaps
Escape to the Country
Bring your wife.
Totally agree with what you say. Personally had ordered an ev and with delays I canceled it a bought something else. Dodged a bullet on that one. With electric cost increasing I calculated that we'd be paying more per mile than good old petrol...
Thanks for bringing up very valid points. It's often the less fortunate that suffer in situations like this.
A brilliant and very truthful video, well done James.
I totally support you.
Logical Fallacy is not truthful. This is just fear mongering of an impossible outcome.
Next time you make this comment Neojhun, you're gonna have to explain it. Evidence please or I'll unpack the ban hammer to stop you spamming the comments section
Should also be noted that there are many countries where EV owners have to pay less or no (road) taxes on their cars.
Which is crazy.
They can afford these expensive cars and then they just don't have to pay taxes?
While the poor person in the old hatchback still has to do so?
And those taxes are used to maintain the roads, so basically the poor people are paying so that the rich people can drive their expensive EVs over those roads. It's complete insanity.
@@JayEmmOnCars I did explain it in my main comment on the youtube upload. Soo i'm going to repeat it again.
Your fear mongering scenario is not possible. People are not being forced to gets EVs because the manufacturing supply simply does not exist. Sure politicians are making empty promises to ban New ICE cars in the near future. But that's when they will be long gone out of the spotlight and let the next generation to reneg on those silly deadlines. It's going to take more than 2 decades to get anywhere close to majority of the new car market. Fact is there is not enough BEVs in EXISTENCE.
@@barbarusbloodshed6347 and don’t forget that those EVs are mostly much heavier than ICE vehicles, so cause way more road damage.
I'm glad someone is seeing and saying the current car situation as it really is. 100% agree with you on this.
The people who own an ev and actually drive it (instead of garaging it 90% of the year) will say this stuff as well.
Some even complain about the costs of fast chargers saying they cost more than petrol cars.
@@zagan1 wrong, I drive my EV daily. No problems.
Nick: But the world changes, fairly rapidly, as it will CONTINUE to do for EV's. The problem will take care of itself -- arm waving not needed. It's called economics.
@@jsanders100 cool, wanna buy me one with all the money you're saving on not buying gas? I can't afford to buy a new car right now, full stop.
Well said. Mandating has rarely worked. I have this conversation with my family and car enthusiast friends. I have a 1984 944, 2002 996 and a 09 jetta wagon. What is rarely discussed is that my cars major impact on the environment was during their build cycle. And that was 20 years ago. If we take that into consideration my fleet is way more environmentally friendly than a new EV, PHEV, HYBRID and the lot. We always skip over the cost to product new cars. I'm taking my cape off now. Thanks for putting yourself out there. You and Harry Metcalfe and Iain Tyrrell should get together and shoot a video on the electricification of the world.
“mandating has rarely worked” I hope you feel the same way about parking mandates and restrictive single use zoning. Without those, the demand for cars would have never reached current levels, and we’d still have walkable neighborhoods everywhere.
That is simply wrong. EVs have a significant impact on the environment and they are far from the ideal transport solution environmentally, but in therms of Co2, EVs pay for themselves pretty quick. It takes about a year to achieve carbon parity. And remember, the thing that creates the higher Co2 emissions is the battery, which can be recycled. Your petrol can never be recycled. Your petrol can only ever create Co2. Electricity can be created without Co2.
What a courageous and honest rant. They don't care about us at the bottom. We'll get on with it. But it's so encouraging to see blokes, who don't have to, say what we need said. Good on ya mate.
One can not state enough the importance of having people like these around to keep us well informed when needed. Love this channel!
Only when we get rid of capitalism will our societies change from ones where many, many people must suffer so that a very small minority live in vast wealth.
Capitalism works perfectly - because this is its intention.
I agree! I didn't disagree with him 1 bit.
Totally agree. My elderly mum who worked for the NHS retired, she rents a Renault Captur (the cheapest one) and was told it would get cheaper over the on coming years. Well we all know car prices have gone up for reasons and so are the rental prices. Now her 3 years is up to rent a new one or buy it, she can't afford it on her pension. She is now faced with not having a car for the first time in her 74 years.
I walk with "walk for health" group where I live who are mainly elderly and retired, some younger and still work. None have an EV and when I ask them if they will get an EV, every single one says one of two things "Not in my life time" and or "Can't afford one of those".
You are absolutely correct on this being a huge social injustice.
A friend of mine was out of work and his visit to the job centre, he was told "you must look for work up to 50 miles away". While the same government who run these job centres also keeps putting or letting these companies put the fuel prices up. Is that not a scam and another social injustice on the poor and unfortunate.
This world is sure becoming like the dystopian sci-fi films I watched as a kid. Mega corps running the world and masses of poor being treated like sh*t and left in poverty. Films have tuched on how this goes yet we still ignore it like it will never happen, yet it is right in front of our eyes.
buy used?
@@steinbauge4591 She used to buy used, they kept falling apart and costing her a fortune. Which is why she went the rental route.
'dystopian sci-fi film'.. like Soylent Green.
@@venataciamoon2789 Yes must have someone who can fix, and choose the right used one. (My sister had debt troubles for a decade, I tried to get her to buy a 1981 Corolla that I knew I could fix and was very likely to keep going except the usual. But no, wanted a car that would look nice and went through 4 of the worst you can buy, the 10 yo car that the owner gets rid of because they know trouble is coming. My mom paid.)
To long
JayEmm, you are spot on about the EV “revolution” is being “legislated” and not evolving naturally is causing a great inequity for many. I personally believe you buy what makes you happy or fits your needs. EVs don’t meet all needs for all people. Maybe one day, but not in the next five years.
Brilliant, right on the money. I live in the states, not the UK, but many similarities. You are so right - I'm one of those people you speak of. While I had a great job, high income, could afford these things at one time, but at almost 60 years of age, I went through two major illnesses, a house fire (complete loss), injury, wheel chair and lost it all. I'm now in a trailer with no heat, no hot water, winter/snow conditions, figuring out how to get out of this mess - and all these new rules and measures and insanity are a severe penalty on me. Thanks for your post.
Take care and look after yourself, as governments will not.
Couldn't agree with you more and I live in Australia. At the moment we do not have fees for congestion or emissions but they are coming. It was your take on the plight of the poor and elderly that struck a cord. What sort of society are we becoming
I just hope the Australian people stand up and fight this crazy way of life that is being force upon us not like the chicken shit gutless people here in the UK . You would need a big battery to go from Philip island to warnambool you will need to take a diesel Jenny with you to charge the battery.
I hear you've voted yourselves a better Government so some of the problems we're having may just evaporate for you.
@@wellwhatthen10101 The World Solar Challenge has been running since 1987 -- 3,000km (1,800 miles) down the Stuart Highway with pure solar-electric cars. If anywhere can make long-distance electric cars work it's Australia.
@@alanhat5252 the party that was voted in are pro EV
@@alanhat5252 we are closing down coal stations and are going to try to rely on renewables. People living in rural areas hours from the nearest city have to drive 100's of km weekly.
It's going to be an unmitigated disaster, we are the last country that should be trying to make this work
Spot on, there is no way most people can move to EV's in the current market. I have a 2009 van and a 2002 car. To replace both with electric equivalent would cost me over £100k. Plus I would need 2 chargers installing at my house as well.
It just has not been thought out at all.
I already hate having to have an app for every damn thing on my phone in order to function at all in society.
Mate.. It HAS been thought about, a lot. That's why it's so evil. The know exactly what they're doing, they don't want us to have any freedom, no cars, no flights, no meat, tiny houses without gardens.
Remove yourself from the system of Babylon now.
Refuse to use tech and we would ALL be better off!
Ah yes… the coveted phones, watches, pads etc and other trackers that we’ve all been subtly programmed into loving so much with their shiny screens and amazing cameras. It’ll all be slimmed down to being implanted into yr body next. All will love it… and ‘they’ know that. Everybody has been bludgeoned into an aloof distant indifferent trusting sleepwalking to the abattoir, frame of mind.
it has been thought out, governments want people to be unable to move large distances, unable to escape from emergency on their own, controllable in place
Hats off to you James. Many good points & big respect for not joining the ranks of content providers who fawn at the feet of manufacturers, anything ‘new’ and on message while ignoring or being too blinkered to notice the awful social impact of so called progress.
Always lived in cities, never owned a car, though at times it would've been useful. For example, in my earlier working life I had to give up home care as it took me too long to cover the distance between clients on foot. I did have a bike for a period but an accident scared me off...Outside of a city the distances would've been even greater. If car ownership becomes a luxury ticket again 100,000s of elderly and disabled will have no-one to take care of them.
Great points James. A friend of mine keeps telling me I should have got an EV but being barely able to afford to keep my old Saab running that's a pipe dream. He has gone rather quietnsince the electricity price rises though. I suppose he will soon be telling me I need to buy some solar panels I can't afford too.
They are introducing tax for electric cars, but the main idea is to force you out of a car onto a bus or train.
@@Snarfcat I hate how they are trying to force us to use methods of transport, which don’t work for many of us. My commute is just over 10 minutes drive, but a bus would take well over an hour including walking. And would cost the same as petrol.
@@youraveragejoe1 They want the vast majority living in pods rating bugs connected to their metaverse.
BlackRock will buy up all the property in your area and force you out.
@@Snarfcat If they want that then maybe they should improve our public transport system so that it's actually capable and can come on time.
@@m.ahussain4005 They don't care about you, they will just drive past you in the rain and laugh as they splash you waiting for your bus
I live in a rural village and many of the houses don’t have driveways and the councils solution will be lamppost chargers meaning people with ICE cars will have to park down the road! That’s you and Petrol Ped who’ve made these very valid points now - bravo sir! The ev focused vloggers don’t get the real world and this crazy timeline
Most Street lamp circuits aren't rated to charge 1 EV never mind a street which is why it hasn't become a thing .
Council say it then a brain points out the infrastructure can't support it
@@Ktron99 Yes most can't, but some do as I've seen walking down streets in Windsor and bath. Not in my street though, still waiting to hear what the solution will be for my on street charging.
As far as I'm concerned owning a vehicle should have always meant you had to have somewhere to park it that didn't inconvenience anyone else. I live in an ancient market town where many of the streets are practically impassible at times due to the cars being abandoned everywhere.
In all reality ICE emissions are tiny compared to say refrigerant. 10kg of R404A is 39.2 TONS of c02 or 275,000kms in a car or 916years of a 10w lightbulb. Mental really
@@chappy2121 It is like that in many areas where I live. Mine is slowly getting that way. 16 years ago there were 3 cars an a motorbike. Today more than 10 cars, some belonging to people that don't even live withing 100m of here. The number of cars vs parking spaces is more of the issue, let alone convenient ones. Your frefrigerent comparison is a little wide. 10kg of refrigerant is a very large amount. Sufficient for between 50 and 150 fridges, depending on how big they are, or enough for more than 10 cars. With fridges, the likelihood is all that gas will get recovered when recycled. With a car, it is very likely to have leaked out before the car dies. Practically all refregerent supplied by the manufacturer in a car ends up in the atmosphere. We need more sustainable, less harmful gases.
Agree with every word said James. I've been saying for ages that the governments EV policy and Khan's policy about London is a tax on the poor. How short our memory is. 2 years ago we realised that the people who keep this country running during an unprecedented pandemic are the lowest paid members of our society. The ones who can't work from home who need their diesel cars (the very same cars the government encouraged to buy) to get to work to keep this country running are now being nailed to the floor with massive tax hikes and charges. It makes me so cross, it really does!
Well this is the plan. “You will own nothing and be happy” from the WEF.
Petrol Ped also did a piece on most people not having a driveway, garage and thus being unable to have a private charging point. He went as far as to say that in his experience, in daily use this is a must have to keep things practical. Thanks JayEmm for pointing out to certain people that their world is not the world of a greater part of the population. I live in a row house, no driveway, no garage and cars cannot park on our side of the road. And even the latter wouldn't make any difference, because charging would depend entirely on available parking space in front of the house anyway.
A petrol/ gas car is significantly way more flexible than an electric car, also the infrastructure of charging even your houses… we’re all made possible by those same petrol cars! I don’t see anyone complaining about petrol station which btw requires significantly less space than charging station and also can supply all kinds of vehicles in very high tempo.
@@carholic-sz3qv it will not be long before the low voltage power grid overloads, then the DNOs will start charging, stating that the customer has overloaded the system. You cant make it wait for the transformer and junction explosions
As an apartment dweller in Los Angeles, I cant own an electric car. It took years for the landlord to install a gate for the front and parking area, I dont think he'll spend the money to install a charger in the parking area(also not sure if the city would allow it). My best bet for an efficient car is a plugin hybrid that I could juice up at the Whole Foods a few miles away.
If a car takes at least 15 times longer to charge than a car takes to fill up with petrol and only can cover half tje distance on that charge we need as a minimum 30x the number of chargers as we do petrol pumps. Think about that for a moment.
In reality that figure is more like 50x, which means we need something like 4m chargers in UK.
Made it to the end. EV hype is being fact checked by EV reality. Thank you for your observations.
Nothing wrong with EVs, it's Government policies that's causing the problems.
Still in denial. EV's to many people are a useless proposition. Especially here in Australia where travel distances are massive.
@@alanhat5252 this is what no one wants to confront
The politics, the contextual history. But it's much easier to be sold a brexit pup than to identify the litany of policy failures and austerity that made the conditions for misery and decline.
UA-cam recommended this to me and, wanting to fill time before going to watch my daily livestream, thought “why not?”
5 minutes in, I’m liking and subscribing. Bravo, you sold me in record time.
Great video! However, there is something much more sinister than what you described. Almost all new vehicles are now basically full of spyware black boxes on wheels that you can't repair yourself. And to add to the fact that most new cars are designed to fail in some stupid after the warranty expires to force you to buy expensive parts or another new vehicle. Disgusting.
Planned obsolescence.
Meanwhile in Sweden, electricity is so expensive that the elderly are freezing (because they can’t afford to turn the heat up), people are close to starving to keep up. People ARE LITERALLY GOING BANKRUPT BECAUSE THEY CANNOT AFFORD THE ELECTRICITY BILLS.
Some are getting electricity bills for over 30 000 SEK while many elderly get a pension of around 10 000 SEK per month.
The authorities response, “well seems like many people don’t have savings to take money out of” how the h*ll are you going to save money when it is impossible to get things work financially.
same everywhere it's global UK Sweden USA every EU country
@@nissanoo0393 You can add Australia as our Reserve Bank had up the rates 9 times in the last 14 months and they are saying another 4 uppings of the cash rate.
Stop supporting NATO's war in Ukraine and for goodness sake, remain a neutral country!
@@TheMentalblockrock that has nothing to do with his point. These first world western governments are enacting crazy policies that supposedly for the greater good that most of the world has no plans to follow.
@@TheMentalblockrock go to h***
Great video. The minority of people lucky enough to afford EVs (of which I am one) should stop to think about the reality for the majority of people who can't afford one. The system really is set up to penalise people with the least.
So what's new?
@@terrygibson6972 true
And to consider the massive climatic pollution and slaves that created the batteries, and the massive environmental waste when the batteries wear out. I am concerned for the environment which is why I dont have one.
@@rinzler9775 climate change is a scam just to get people to stop driving and control them, climate goes threw warming and cooling remember the ice age
@@Chris-hw4mq climate pollution is very real - masses od worn out batteries from EV's, dead solar panels, worn out windmills, millions of trees felled for wind turbines, masses of whales beached due to offshore wind farm vibrations - all conveniently overlooked by the "environmentalists".
I enjoyed this video
I used to drive a classic petrol car, in London,but stopped due to I’ll health. I now drive a n EV, that is a foldable EV bike.
Fun fact, London now has more bikes than cars.
One could argue the real poverty is the UKs lack of public transport infrastructure investment and dedicated cycling infrastructure. That again discriminates people’s acess leading to car dependency. Because there’s no alternative.
I miss driving, but for every new home likely to have between 1 to 3 cars. Are we ever going to find a solution?
A few days ago I was approached by an elderly lady, who asked about my bike!
You've hit the nail squarely on the head!
I drive a 2005 diesel skoda octavia estate, which I bought 3rd hand for 2k. There's no way I'm going to get rid of this brilliantly reliable and cheap to run car any time soon. And even if I went for the scrappage option, how will I make up the 25k+ difference to fund an EV replacement?
And even if I could change to an EV, I live in a flat, and I'm obliged to park on the road, anywhere between 100 yards away or in the next street, so home-charging is out of the question.
Add to that, with all the mushrooming ulez-type initiatives and restrictions, I'm already being controlled as to where I can go, and I fear that I'm ultimately going to be priced and/or legislated off the road.
"Go by bus, or cycle" I'm told, by people who choose to ignore the fact that my job covers a large rural 'patch' and I'm easily driving 400 miles a week.
The next few years are going to be very hard for a lot of us, especially those who simply can't afford to join the great green revolution (however much we might personally care about the planet and our kids' future)
Normal, less well-off car owners like me find ourselves stuck between out of touch, comfortably-off, metropolitan pundits and policy-makers who can't understand why someone couldn't afford a new Tesla on one side, and the hair-shirted hardliners of the 'Khmers Vertes' on the other, who would burn our cars tomorrow and insist that we can run our entire lives (and our jobs) on a pushbike!
As ever, you are the voice of reason and sensibility James. Thank you for so eloquently capturing and framing this point of view.
Rather than following Greta and Klaus Schwab, listen to the pro-human positions from people like Bjorn Lomborg and Jordan Peterson.
@@amazingjason455 Jordan Peterson is a fascist demagogue, selling snake oil to reactionary dupes and chauvinistic delusionals, fact-check his pratings and you'll see that I kid you not.
@@amazingjason455 cars kill 1.3 million people a year. Yes, very pro-human
This point of view is based on a fake and phoney facade of caring about the poor. If people really cared about FREEDOM and the poor then they would advocate against cars which are freedom crushing machines. You need permission for the government to use one, they are taxed and oil companies and states control what you pay to fuel them. Doesn't sound like freedom to me, sounds like communism
I absolutely agree with you and I fear this is the tip of the iceberg; once Ulez gets extended the goalposts will be moved to encompass newer vehicles because currently the total number of non compliant vehicles versus the implementation cost doesn’t make sense. EV evangelists don’t seem to have empathy with those in society that can’t afford this currently. All credit to you, your shirt and lovely car.
Everything you say is correct. The tripling of electricity prices over the past 18 months or so has totally changed the ICE vs EV equation. Electricity at a public charger costs about 79p per KWh now. That is usurious. My partner and I own both a PHEV and an EV. We have our own drives (we live separately), with wall chargers, solar panels and off-peak rates. The EV is brilliant for round trips of under 200 miles. The PHEV returns about 80mpg and is perfect for longer runs. We have it sorted, but we are so, so lucky. I would advise anyone who can’t charge at home or who regularly drives more than 100 miles per day to avoid an EV like the plague. It will cost you a fortune. If you only ever drive short journeys or can’t get a wall charger (they cost £1k+ 😳), then stick with your ICE. Something is going to have to change between now and 2030 and my bet is that the deadline will be removed. Any government that tries to force this through in the current economic climate is going to lose an election, for sure.
Well made points sir. I completely agree with your PoV. Another thing to consider is when everyone gets an EV crammed down their throats. When are most people going to charge them? At night. When everyone does this simultaneously, it will no longer be a low usage/discounted time. Never mind the existing grid not being able to support it.
Absolute truth, definitely something I've been getting more and more wound up about over recent years as ever more of these £50k+ EVs become a common sight on our streets. I only once had a new car which was a company car, but otherwise for all my driving years I've got by perfectly well in 2-4+ year used cars and cannot ever see myself buying a brand new car whether it is electric or petrol, it's just not affordable. The environmental and human cost of mass mining of lithium for all these batteries is also something that is conveniently brushed under the carpet in the name of progress.
EV tax on the poor.. Definitely!
Miners in Australia all fly in fly out no chance of getting to work in an EV.
Without even mentioning that these Lithium mines use children as they are small and can be used to advantage in the recuperation of lithium from smaller easier to dig mine shafts ! Its called child slave labour, that these " saviours of the enviroment " seem to ignore or perhaps consider as a necessary Evil to save the planet from global warming..... which clearly anyone with a brain is a fake created narrative with no True science or data to prove that it indeed exists !
Just like to say thank you for standing up for people who aren't financially well off James .
Thanks for watching :)
Transportation equals Freedom, independence and mobility, you nailed it right there.
Great video, same situation in France. Seems also that in the UK a very large percentage of electricity comes from Coal burning, so not ecological! Anyway, a new study shows that most of the polluting nano particles that we can breathe, are produced by the tyres not by the engine, which makes the EV as obsolete as petrol cars. Cheers Jay.
2% of electricity from Coal in the UK. And that will soon be 0%.
@@partlysane5382 Are they switching to gasoline? Now that there is a surplus i mean...
Brilliant video James, you've succinctly put into words what so many of us are thinking. There's almost certainly a different agenda going on at the moment, and it's really going to hit so many of us who might not be able to afford an EV.
Good comment - but I'd say the 'majority of us'.
@@rnf1227 I'd have to say you're probably right on that...
I can afford an EV, but the TRILLIONS this will cost Europe will be felt by everyone…including our ability to invest into actually effective CO2-reducing projects.
Oh, well, it will positively affect those in on the corruption though…
Thank You for allowing me to feel "Normal" once more.
I couldn't have put it better myself.
Well done Sir.
Years ago when I was working as a Voice & Data Engineer, travelling in and out of London on an almost daily basis, I had a life-changing experience. The 30 mile commute into the city took nearly 3 hours. The drive home through rush hour traffic took longer. Throughout the day, the combination of conjestion fees, emissions fees, parking fees, parking fines (for being 2 minutes over on a parking meter), followed by another fine for forgetting to pay the conjestion fee online before midnight when I got home exhausted, meant that I paid significantly more money in those fees and fines than I had earned in the day. I was broke at the time too. I felt a genuine sense of despair when I realized I would have been financially better off if I had just stayed in bed all day. That day I vowed I was leaving the UK, and that I would never again commute in to work. I live in Australia now, in the heart of Sydney - and I either work from home or walk to work. Australia isn't perfect either, far from it - but the experience of being a London commuter is an absolute disgrace, and one I will never return to.
Oh gosh. I live near a large US city (Denver, CO) and everything you brought up is hitting us shortly as politicians start wading into this exact problem of congestion, unaffordability, pollution, and sturdy electrification not reaching us plebeians who live in apartments for years while the wealthy enjoy that privilege now in their private garages. Bang on accurate.
you can see listings for PARKING spaces in Denver for 60k dollars and up. and no way to get any kind of home charging. for people living in apartments its simply a non starter. The only way EVs make sense is as a second car. and only if you can charge at home. for a large number of people, it's simply not possible.
I completely agree about the charging locations. There is something slightly dodgy about an isolated charger around the back of a retail park.
Shared mate. This was a brilliant video. Another part of it is the LTNs we're seeing in Oxford. Where you need special (paid) permission from the local council to drive over 100 days a year... local residents were originally told they could take buses to work... but after the LTNs on Crowley Road were implemented, they took the 3 main bus routes of the map! Tonnes of my friends had to quit their jobs because they just couldn't afford to go to work... and taxis were effectively forced up in price because of this! They are deliberately making it impossible for us to live.
I think that is the INTENT. They will be doing as in Canada, and bringing in M.A.I.D, (Medical Assistance in Death) which is what the WEF wants, a much Smaller World Population.
That's the aim exactly. Brought to you ythe same criminals responsible for the past three years.
what's LTNs?
@@alanhat5252 low traffic neighbourhoods
Aka 15 minute neighbourhood / 20 minute cities
Seems it’s getting close to that time you might actually have to get off your ass, and do something about it instead of just bitching on the internet.
I agree with just about everything you said and fail to understand why people have not pursued this before now. Almost every UA-cam channel I have watched tends to big up electrics but very rarely mention how the cost of charging them compares with filling a tank with petrol. I am also trapped in the never never land of having no way of affording to buy a new car of any sort so am basically stuck with my 2006 Renault which will not only get more and more expensive to run but can only have a rather limited life expectancy. Just like me in fact!
Most you tubers are paid to push ev
Agreed. Seems like ordinary people get punished for the lavishness and wastefulness of bureaucrats, who did not ever care about the environment, but only about their profits.
Totally agree with your views, we are being pushed towards EV with electricity going up, and nowhere to charge privately...think about people who live in Tower blocks without designated parking...how on earth are they to have own charging point
Thank you so much for making these kinds of videos, James. Whilst EVs certainly have their place in the world and should exist, forcing things upon people, especially if they're this expensive, is not a good idea. These requirements for people to be as "Eco Friendly" as possible will only drive a wedge in between the rich people and the regular people, making the average Joes and Janes utterly miserable in the process whilst also accomplishing nothing for the environment as they require more consumerism. Hopefully we can overturn this madness before it's too late.
the issue for me is that there are almost no 'eco friendly' ev's. they are nearly all huge hugely expensive and an insult to the concept of environmentally aware transport.
Thank you for your honest commentary regarding the implications of forcing EV onto the public, its another example of the knot being twisted tighter and tighter against the neck of the common man.
I'm so glad I found this video, what you have been saying is exactly what I've been saying for a while and we would agree on every point. I don't care how many Ferraris you have your still very in touch with the common man.
I myself are one of those that will lose transport.
I have a 2009 zafira diesel o have had it for 7 years.
I have 7 children still at home 10 on total.
I need the car for the school run and my little gardening business.
I am struggling now just to run the car and I maintain repair everything myself.
I certainly can not afford to buy a electric car and enter every competition I can find to win one.
I have been driving 30 years but I think the time is coming that is coming to a end.
I will then have to walk 4 children 4 miles to school and there is no public transport available.
One has ASD and is very hard work and one has severe ashmatic so any damp days affect her very very badly.
This is a direct attack on the poor as living in Surrey there are plenty of Tesla's and Audi etrons to see.
Thank you James for highlighting this for the I'm all right jack brigade.
Well put, James.
I had thought about about replacing my wife's 10-year-old diesel with a brand new EV. But when I looked into it it made no financial sense.
We live in a 110 year old mid-terrace cottage. I was quoted over £4k to have a charge-point installed, and warned that the electricity infrastructure for the whole terrace would need to be completely replaced. I haven't spoken to all 15 of our neighbours about it, but you can bet that at least one household - for whatever reason - won't want to contribute financially when there is no benefit to them.
So then I looked at the cost and inconvenience of using public charge-points, the nearest of which is 4 miles from home. The last time I was there there was a Tesla parked, but not on charge and the driver nowhere to be seen, at one outlet and the other was out of order.
And then factor-in the reality of range-anxiety, because we often travel long distances to visit relatives at other ends of the country - or on holidays.
For us, as a couple, running an EV is a non-starter purely from a simple economics point-of-view. ..........And we are reasonably financially comfortable.
Poor you! If you are inconvenienced stuff climate change.
Range anxiety you say. Ha! I live in Australia mate. I recently did a trip to see family I've not seen in years and will probably never see again. That was a 13,000Km round trip. Yes that's right 13 THOUSAND KILOMETERS! and it was across the Nullabor which is very much barren arid territory. How will EV's be viable in a country like this where the distances are so vast?
What makes range anxiety worse is the fact that if you have the heater on when it's below 20 degrees fahrenheit, range is reduced by 41%. So if you want to make it to grandma's house for Christmas, you better bundle up and keep that heater off.
@@derrickmiles5240 I'm guessing it'd be similar with the air conditioner on.
Or even a decent sound system for that matter.
for me it would be accepteable to own ev. as my workplace allows us to charge at work for no cost. and since my comute a day is like 100 km it would totaly be sustainable, but i just have no love for ev's their lifespan is short as hell and not to mention how wastefull evs actualy are if you look past the glamor of "oh its eco friendly", assembling them depletes the earth of its natural resources, manufacturing them is energy-intensive, making an ev puts as much waste in the world as ICE car would produce in 10 years of ownership, charging them requires dirty energy, recycling them is nearly impossible. as little as 5 percent of those batteries end up recycled, most ending up in the trash, stored indefinitely, or exported as waste instead. not to mention most of the electircy is still being made by coal plants. we got amazing energy solution with Nuclear but due to pointless panic and people ignorance fearing it like the plague...
Completely agree and something I have been pondering for a while. If you also add in the massively reduced overall lifespan of an EV compared to ICE and huge restrictions on repairing it yourself or even through an independent garage in some cases the future looks even bleaker for any average wage earner.
No, the lifespan of an EV is not reduced.
The batteries is probably what you're talking about, they don't suddenly switch off or implode after 3 years like a phone battery, they slowly lose capacity. They're reckoned to be at 80% capacity after 25 years normal driving & then can be sold as a Tesla Powerwall or similar, by which time a massively improved battery technology will be being made. Several alternatives are close to or in small-scale manufacture right now, including ones that don't use #ConflictMinerals or Rare Earths & the big Chinese manufacturers are leading the way, they don't want to miss out on the Next Big Thing.
The body, suspension, steering & all of that is the same as any other car, it won't wear out quicker.
Don't forget, we had electric cars before we had petrol ones & the motors, control gear & all that side of it have been in constant development (in other uses) for much longer than we've had petrol engines.
@@alanhat5252 ARe you living in the real world? EV weigh more they burn through tyres quicker they take more toll on suspension etc etc go actually learn stuff and hey we are not even started on the human cost to poor kids in Africa mining the raw materials so what are you sayinbg you dont caRE ABOUT THOSE KIDS ? i HOPE NOT i HOPE YOU DO CARE ABOUT THEIR MISREABLE EXISTANCE just to make EV drivers feel better in front of their neigbours.
What do you mean 'huge restrictions on repairing it yourself?' I wouldn't take any notice of someone telling me what I can and can't do with my own property........therein lies trouble.
@Matthew Gunderson I guess it depends on the price point you're entering at. If I had just paid £30,000 for an EV, I may be a bit reluctant to take it apart and start reverse engineering it. As it is, I paid £4000, so I'm more than likely to get the screwdrivers out myself.
What makes you think there is a massively reduced lifespan? Drivetrain warranties, including batteries, are often 8 years or 100k miles and both are known to last well over 250k miles. We already know that a Model S can cover more than a million miles! There are 3rd party repairers. just not many yet. As for servicing, I understand the reluctance to allow people to do some things themselves. 400 to 800 volts DC at high current is lethal. You need training to work on high voltage equipment in any industry. As the demand grows, so will the number of trained repairers.
Lovely rant James!
You are definitely not alone in these feelings and conclusions, there are a lot of us who feel just as aggrieved with our out of touch political numpties making these decisions to make our lives harder and taking away our freedoms and quality of life and it's absolutely infuriating! It's as if the politicians and local government are taking great delight in impoverishing us and ultimately the country.
I agree with you 100%!
Life in London for common people is very costly...ulez applies to bikers too...You go to work in the morning you come back in the evening, the bike is always parked all day, but you still have to pay for it... It's a robbery! Tax the poor is a must apparently 🤬💩🤮
I think my biggest problem with how EV's are being pushed and how people just go out a buy them, is that this isn't at all good for the environment.
People tend to forget the 3 R's: Reduce, Reuse and Recycle. People just go out a buy EV's because its "good" for the environment is doing it for the wrong reasons, this is why I hate the forced push of EV's. Ignoring the costs, which are still to expensive. We should all be doing our best for the environment, that involves following the 3 R's.
So if you don't need to replace your car and if your current car is working without any issues, then you should not willingly or forced to replace it with an EV. The responsible thing to do would be to continue running the car you currently have.
My 10 year old Ford Focus has a squeaky belt/pully and could do a new engine mount but no matter how much that will cost me, it will be far far cheaper than getting an EV on a PCP or even trying to save to buy one out right.
Plus I only do 2,000 miles a year, the best guess of 20,000 miles for an EV to pay off its pollution debt from being made would then mean I would need to drive that EV for 10 years and good luck having the battery lasting as it did when it was new after 5 years, let alone 10 years.
For me, no matter how you spin it - an EV is a terrible car to buy as my current car is working perfectly and facts are facts, by running my car and not replacing it that is doing more for the environment than just replacing it with an EV.
Geoff buys cars proves that theory with a old Volvo 850 estate car
Totally agree, I’m still running a 23 year old Audi a2. Sure a new car would give me all the bells and whistles but this is just grand for the odd time that I have to do a trip.
Buying a new car would be a complete waste of money and detrimental to the environment when my current car has zero issues other than a sticky dash and a missing centre cap.
Agreed. I work with someone who is very pro EV and apparently very pro environment...yet he's got a brand new EV and pays a cleaner to drive her diesel to his house twice a week. I drive a Porsche with a 3.4L NA engine, it averages 34mpg...but I drive it once a week and that's it. That will soon be cut too, since I'm moving to fully remote work. Doesn't matter what car you own if you never actually drive it, not driving a sports car will always be more efficient than driving an EV!
An eV battery (typical, 65kwh size) would produce 5500kg of extra CO2 to manufacture compared to a conventional combustion car. (Let's not even look at the 20 tonnes of CO2 of an average car). I don't know what engine you have but my car which gets 54mpg 8163kg of CO2 over 100k miles. You'd need to drive an eV 220k miles (based on CO2 emission per kWh of electricity mix in the UK) before it would equal me. So that's around.. what.... 50 years? 100 years? How old are you again??
The problem is that your argument is based on "assumptions" which are false. EV's can last way longer than you think. Here in Amsterdam OLD taxi Tesla's have done 600K+ kilometers. And those where the first Tesla's which are not the highest quality. The modern Tesla's for example are way way way better build. And the LFP battery can easily, i say easily do 3000+ Cycles to up to 5000 Cycles. And i can do 425km on one charge on winter tires. But lets take 400km for an easy calculation. 3000 Cycles with 400km range = ? calculate it.
My previous plugin car is from 2012/13 and had it until last year. Battery worked like it was new. 10 years is peanuts for modern batteries. 20 years also easy. 30 years might be difficult we don't know yet.
James, thank you so much for making this video. I totally agree with the points made. I was recently at VW Manchester and saw an ID4 on the forecourt for £54k! I’ve always had the view the average car is more or less in line with average wages. This has always been more or less true for as long as I can remember, from about the mid-eighties. My dad, a truck driver was never on anything more than a modest salary but every 6-7 years or so could always buy a decent mid-sized family car. There’s no way a truck driver (essential to keep the country going as we’ve found out in last few years) could even get near this type of car now. The EV Fiat 500 base price of £28k demonstrates the link between wages and the price of an average family car is now broken...and this is never a car a family of 4 could use. That's before we get on to range, ability to charge etc. Simply put in their current form I don't see how EVs will ever be the solution for the working masses on average wages who need to attend a specific place of work day in day out.
EVs are not designed to be the transport for the working class,they are tokens of the anointed,our new and righteous ruling class who creates and votes for its own subsidies and privileges payed for by us peasants who will have to abandone well-paid jobs to have privilege to work underpayed for the privileged laptop class in their 15 minute cities whilst riding bikes and public transport always smiling trying not to inadvertendly offend our sensitive rulers.
We are not even close to the correct point in the curve to start comparing wages with prices. We are a good 5 years away before we would expect to see it affordable as the norm, as normal cars would generally be right now.
Just like nearly every other new technology ever, the initial explosion is high in price due to new technology costs, then high due to targeting those who are wealthy directly after this, then a rapid downward trend for pricing after this.
Your mistake is your view (that the average car is in line with average wages).
Have another go when you've checked out that a decent spec petrol Corsa now costs £27k.
£28k for a bloody Fiat 500? Back in 2016, my dad got a fully loaded Mazda6 for less than that. Jesus...
@@wyterabitt2149 your main problem is your belief that electric cars are new technology. In fact electric cars have been around for longer than petrol cars. Electric motors are NOT new technology nor is the battery. All the current tech in electric cars are also in petrol and diesel and are simply the natural evolution of petrol and diesel cars tech. There is very little “tech” in building an electric vehicle. The tech is in the gizmos shared across all vehicles.
The high cost is in the battery. Lithium is expensive and becoming rarer therefore the cost is increasing. This price will not come down.
Interesting seeing more of an EV pushback in the EU, yall adopted them earlier and are finding out the glaring issues with them. Cheers
I guess they were effectively the test market.
Your "rant," as you call it, was spot on! It showcased the problems that all of these ecological programs inflict must brilliantly. But my questions are these: what do they do with the taxes imposed? How do those taxes reduce pollution? What infrastructure have they built to counteract the pollution? Or is it all just a shell game to rip off the poor?...
Can you imagine the street scene of terraced houses with cables running from car to door letterboxes to connect to plugs, over the pavement. A lot of public liability trips and falls coming up
Those charging cables would not be there in the morning ... metres and metres of unattended copper cable goes missing now - imagine what it will be like in the near future.
You mean all the houses that let's face it shouldn't have a car anyway
@@chappy2121 Cor balmy,, showing your true colors there!
You know what… I’ve watched 30secs of your video and you’re 100% right.
I took my EVO to the new swanky EV station just outside Norwich when it opened.
I came away and said to my kids this is exactly how you alienate the lower classes. The entire place caters for such a small percentage of the population, didn’t feel aspirational, felt like a flex. I can afford an EV, a nice one if I wanted one… I don’t want one! I do want my kids to see the differences between those that have and those that don’t, and more importantly why. On the way out we passed a beat up Passat joining the NDR. How on earth even if the vehicle was made affordable would the spaceship station like we have here be aspiration/affordable?
Completely agree there’s a bigger society issue at play. A tax on the poor is the perfect way looking at the current EV push
It’s disgusting 😡
Much the same as NCC telling us that they care about the environment whilst concreting over it at an alarming and unsustainable rate. It's all one big lie.
yep, if you live on silver road how, when and where are you going to charge your EV?
You know this already happened a zillion times? Early adopters "alienated" people with the first cars, with the first telephones, with the first PCs and so on. How are EVs any different? They will get cheaper and till we are there evertbody else can drive his combustion engine car perfectly fine.
Yup paying 630 quid a year tax on 07 Volvo. Money grabbing keants
@@miskatonic6210 No, not true - that's the problem with your delusion. Gas stations are already disappearing where I live, esp. in city centers and that is a HUGE issue. No use having a cheap gas powered car when you can't buy fuel anywhere. Like you (apparently) it's not really an issue for me, I own an EV and charge at home, but the vast majority of people where I live - which is an EV hotspot - can't afford to do that.
This is what James pointing out - trying to fix the planet by forcing the entire population to reduce something which only contributes 10% of CO2 emissions is stupid. Esp. while virtually nothing is being done about heavy goods, machinery, electricity generation and shipping.
P.S. I actually worked on the first Rio summit on behalf of the UN and studied this closely. The reality is it is already too late and this last minute grandstanding does very little - 15 years ago, we might have had an impact, but...
Couldn't agree more. You are discussing luxury beliefs and have just touched on the tip of the iceberg
Jack from TEXAS, these types of transportation schemes are coming to a neighborhood near everybody very soon. Thanks for the rant.
I also see the reparability of electric cars as a huge economic risk later on when they show up on the used market. Usually when batteries gets old it's just a couple of cells that get bad, but since they're not made to be replaced you end up with replacing the entire pack and those are not cheap. So there has to be some legislation around reparability of electric cars for them to really be viable on the used market.
Absolutely. Car makes go a step further and encase the cells inside expanding adhesives making it prohibitively expensive to repair. But this will partly be down to the battery chemistry which is self-oxidising. A bad repair and the vehicle catches on fire... and Ev's spontaneously catching on fire without an ability to assess risk is an issue itself.
there are places that do good-used cell modules, but fitting them isn't as easy as changing some spark plugs, and they cost quite a bit.
If you bought a regular that that was in good condition, but the engine was blown, and spent up to 1 or 2 thousand replacing it, that's about where you're at.
Totally agree!.
@@chrisdavidson911 A friend of mine is the best electrician in the world (sarcasm) and he had an older EV that was playing up and batteries not charging correctly. He removed the batteries, separated all the cells and done what ever it was he done put them back in and, dead as a Dodo! He really thought he could repair the batteries LOL.That car was on just over 50K miles and a write off.
They are disposable vehicles, and extremely wasteful. Nothing "green" about them whatsoever.
If it was about clean air then petrol/diesel cars would just be banned. It's about collecting the charge or the fine, raising revenue. You nailed it.
Banning those cars would stop all the workers from getting to their jobs since, as per the point of the video, they can't afford EVs. That would bring down the economy in no time so clean air wouldn't matter, so if it was about clean air then banning ICE cars in the short term wouldn't be a solution worth considering. Incentivising people to drive less is the environmental solution, no matter what car they own, since EVs aren't emission free at all, only the fuel is. Air con, brakes, tyres, lubricants and manufacturing mean they still emit huge amounts of crap. The reason we aren't incentivised to drive less is that more miles = more tax. Unfortunately that isn't even a greed thing, since less tax = less money to fund things like the NHS and schools, so the government don't have a choice either.
The only people who can actually do anything about this are the companies telling their staff to go back to offices. Cut that, cut travel, cut emissions, simple. Also cuts taxes so the government have to look elsewhere, but that's solvable.
@@ApothecaryTerry You've highlighted the conundrum facing government. Reducing miles has the knock on effect of reducing taxes collected.
So the government and hence the economy loses.
Consequently everyone is a loser in the long run.
@@ApothecaryTerry problem is the governments are horrible spenders, and really need to be put in check
Clean air in London? /points to the airports
@@cj09beira That's true, but it's a separate issue.
It's also not entirely their fault. I'm not going to criticise all the doctors, nurses, teachers and train drivers going on strike over pay in the UK. All I'll say is this: the average pay for any group going on strike is more than my current salary and I daily drive a Porsche...
Paying them more therefore clearly isn't the solution, but they are right in complaining about their working conditions. The money should be spent on training more staff to cut hours, which in turn makes the job less stressful. That means it's more appealing so it's less hard to convince people to pursue that career path. On the other hand, if a doctor says "yeah I'm just in it for the money" I don't want them treating me.
Controversial I know, but that's the issue. The government has to serve the people who vote for them, but those same people will go crazy if the government tries to implement actual sensible solutions to their issues. It's a lose-lose, the government are at fault, but ultimately the people are responsible.
Words like ALL, EVERYONE and EVERYBODY gets thrown around a lot when it comes to EV's...
* if EVERYONE had an EV and charged it at night when it's cheap, the electricity infrastructure melts.
* if EVERYONE had an EV and charged it at night when it's cheap, it's no longer be cheap at night.
* if ALL vehicles are EV's, what happens to the cheap used car market? Where are our teenagers first cars going to come from?
Other problems like battery manufacturing, the fact that we're running out of sand to make silicon, the immense problems around battery material recycling, the huge question mark around the environmental impact of scrapping ALL perfectly good ICE vehicles and replacing them ALL with EV's and so on... There's a lot of unanswered questions globally around this push towards all electric.
You tube just randomly brought this video to my attention. I love your work. On point with everything.
I just cant understand how governments could be this blind or maybe they just dont care about people at all.
Yes, I agree, a tax on the poor. "Wait for the oldies and stupids to die off" is also very true. How can this be acceptable in our society?
Completely agree. There's a real green washing effect in the uk. I live in Germany and there's a completely different mind set. Many Germans travel huge distances on the autobahn at speed and I don't really see any ev's sitting in fast lane.
I can travel 600 miles in one day, there and back. Not possible in an ev.
The uk is taxing the people on lower incomes, and the hard working middle class.
Over there the choice of autobahn cruiser is a diesel bmw?
99.9% of people don't drive 600miles a day. That would mean driving for about 12 hours.
Why are there so many Tesla Model Y sales in Germany?
Germany is the largest market in the EU for EV's, counting for 42% of all EV EU sales. In 2022, EV's represented 17.7% share of all cars sold in Germany. Tesla Model Y was the 10th best selling car in Germany in 2022.
@@craigix 160 mph on the autobahn it would take just under four hours....
Thankyou SO much for bringing this up, because it's something that drives me barmy as well. I honestly think that the people who sorts of laws in place must live in extraordinarily small and protected worlds in which everything's provided and you really don't have to go anywhere to do anything. I'd love an electric car for around town stuff, but it could only be a second car because I also need to drive distance for work and electric still isn't practical for driving 5-6 hours on a time limit. That aside, I also live in a tower block, and good bloody luck getting charging infrastructure installed in a manner in which you can "charge overnight" (even in my ostensibly "green" development)... and don't even get me started on most EVs still being marketed and sold as luxury goods.
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Yes, EVs are great, and adoption should be encouraged wherever possible, but there needs to be a recognition that some people live a life that fits in a nice, neat, provided for box.
I agree totally.
I live in Cornwall, and I'd have to pay a fortune in fees to visit London - so why don't the London types, with their 2nd homes down here, have to pay a bean to come to Cornwall?
Secondly, EV battery technology is still in its infancy - so many of the EVs being sold now, are at risk of being obsolete before people have finished even paying for them!
Thanks for speaking up on this as someone with a decent voice in the community. All of your main points are bang on the money, and these issues aren’t even limited to the poorest. I consider myself comfortable, with a good postgrad education and working in the industry I aspired for as a kid, and yet there’s just no hope in hell of me owning an EV anytime soon as I’m in my mid-20s and earning relatively modest money at the early stages of my career. Despite being where I want, I still have to flat share with two friends, live in a place with no private driveway, and budget to a reasonable degree each month. EVs are absolutely a luxury, and yet they’re being pushed as the new normal (and you’re a dirty hater of the world if you don’t have one according to some vocal champions). If I’m in a position to have an EV before I’m 30 I’d be amazed, and this is me as someone in a good career. For others in jobs like retail, I dread to think.
Loving these more type of “discussion”vids recently 👍
Bloody good rant! First time watching you. I will keep our 6yo diesel MPV. Actually, if one looks at the total service life of a vehicle (petrol and diesel) it is around 20 years on average. What a lot of EV proponents forget is that their batteries lose capacity as they age and after about 5 to 7 years they lose up to half their capacity. The only fix? Replace the battery. At a horrendous cost. Here’s the kicker, currently there is no viable means of recycling the used batteries, so where do they go? Yep, landfill. Oh what a great thing for the environment - NOT!
Great video, and I liked the vaporwave ending too. Until society realizes that those who rule us are no better than we are, unfortunately we will be stuck with their bad decisions.
I live in a second floor flat...
I regularly commute hundreds of miles to work...
And I work nights.
(Not that I could even afford an EV in the first place!)
Oh James where do we start with this one.
You are absolutely right this is totally being forced upon us and will definitely hurt the working class the most.
We had beater Dona risk assessment for our extension cords hung out of the windows of flats and terraced houses. The cars are far too expensive to buy and now even second hand cars are all leased on terms where most people dare not actually drive the car in fear of putting on too many miles.
The rolling out of all these ULEZ zones may as well be a second scrappage scheme.
As UA-cam is a hobby rather than an income for me I have to earn my living driving a HGV and I've seen the signage for the ULEZ zones piping up all over the place and the cist for an articulated lorry delivering to a supermarket within these area is going to be so expensive and the retailer's and haulage companies won't be able to absorb the cost so the end user will have to pay.
There are some serious pros to EV's I will admit but forcing this upon us is frankly pissing people off.
I don't believe that charging will improve all that quickly either, once we all make the switch there will be no reason for advancement of the technology once the competing IC cars are no longer available. Long journeys will take us longer, just like how those with the financial means used to be able to fly Concorde to New York but now have to make do with subsonic transportation.
The world is going backwards.
I suppose us commoners will all have to use public transport in the impending dystopian future, provided they are not all still on strike that is.
Sorry about the rant but I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way about it.
They are introducing tax for electric cars, but the main idea is to force you out of a car onto a bus or train.
Spot on!
Thank you for pointing out the down side of EV cars. I live in the United States, in Texas. It doesn’t make sense for me to own an EV, I live in the country and it is 70 mile drive into the city. If you live and work in the city an EV would work for you. Let the market decide the fate of EV market, without government subsides.
I agree, if we decide to get rid of the subsidies and bizarre tax benefits on the fossil fuel industry too, like the Master Limited Partnership provision, and I don't see that happening any time soon.
You are correct. As you have discussed, electricity has skyrocketed over the last few years. This is nothing compared to when we have to rely on renewables for our electricity only.
100% correct as usual, James. I have had this on my mind for time now, even before energy prices went through the roof. I only buy 4 yr old cars as I want something with a bit of luxury and a decent amount of power, with a budget of less than £20k. It is car that does about 8000 miles pa and is only used for longer journeys and holidays abroad where I usually drive over 900 miles in one day covering 2.500 over a 2 week period, there is no EV that is capable of that. I have another cheap old banger (sub £1000 car that is 15yrs old) that I use for commuting and shorter local journeys. If I was a wealthy man I would replace this banger with a small EV as I have a driveway and my home is powered by solar panels and batteries so charging would be almost free, but I am not! I am just a normal guy trying make ends meet and have an annual 2 week holiday where I can really enjoy my driving my car to the south of Spain. The situation we find ourselves in is a case of a government not understanding real working people that have just enough to live a reasonable life but have nothing in reserve because it is squeezed out of them with high inflation and soaring cost of living due to the privatisation of our utilities for profit. The rich get richer and we are all doomed! It begs the question what will be left for the rich when we the normal people can't buy anything let alone EVs.
I live in France and can get Citröen AMI for €19 a month sounds great, but wait for it if you have a town car, go for a 40plus year old car I would love a 68 Mustang, which is exempt, but a 2CV will have to do. A 635 CSi is good 😁
Unfortunately, it's worse than the governments not understanding real working people; it's governments, and other elites, not CARING about working people. I have nothing against people getting rich, but the non-rich shouldn't be forced to subsidize them and their e-toys.
Hi Ken, thank you too for that touch of reality. Those that don’t realise would benefit to know that the current ICEs cost many millions of tonnes of Co2 to manufacture, that has already been “spent”. We need to be very careful that we don’t force people to take these off the road prematurely. The report carried out by Volvo on their own manufacturing of two alike cars, one petrol and one EV. The total Co2 cost of manufacturing and then running the cars meant that the EV would have to drive over 140,000 km before it showed a Co2 advantage. The report used to be on their website.
So, it’s not so plain and simple. The biggest advantage of EVs seems to be moving Co2 and particulates out of heavy populated areas, which is obviously a very good thing.
Governments of the world. Have a good (re)think.
they don't understand because they pay themselves a quite frankly ludicrous salary and get huge kickbacks from the people who's lavish overpriced environment destroying EV's they mindlessly imagine we will all buy!
Honestly can't tell if this comment is sarcastic or ironic
Hat's off to this gentleman. Impressive and straight to the point arguments which were unbiased and not easy to argue against. This channel is becoming an "authority" on the British auto scene. Congrats Mr. Jay!
James, as a subscriber of yours this is one of your best vids and rants ( how did you not swear?) I am a massive car fan but have never had the money for anything flash my current motor is an Afla 159Ti its a diesel with 160K on the clock and to this day has not produced as much carbon as building an EV. We live in the sticks and recently went to a concert in birmingham, I saw a sign saying ULEZ zone "pay on line", how I thought? Anyway a couple of weeks later a bill for £120 arrived. The journey both ways cost me just £15 in diesel! If i lived there I would have to sell my car and buy a Tesla.
Wonderful video if you’re in need of a nap. In only minutes, I fell straight to sleep and awakened refreshed literally just as the video ended. What’d I miss?
Well said James, the great divide between the have and have nots is getting wider all the time! Sadly I think it will only get worse and will move into other areas like health care for example. It's already there with dentists now
The "Why don't you park in your driveway and charge it overnight" thing always cracks me up a bit. As if people aren't renting rooms in apartments. Yeah sure, all the apartment buildings are going to put 2 or 3 chargers per apartment in their lots. Mhhmmm.
@@hoppingrabbit9849 its far from trivial. Get a quote to add a socket at the end of your driveway. You'll need digging crew, someone to install conduit. Someone to pull cable. Electrician to hook it all up.
It gets even nore complicated if you want to add more than one. Now everything has to be bigger to handle more current.
That is just for your driveway. If its to get sockets out to street, now you have right of ways to deap with. Sidewalks. Stuff has to be dug up then repaired.
It's refreshing to hear opinions in such a healthy, non-toxic manner. Thanks for setting a good example on how to share an opinion! Beautifully done!
My pleasure. I think it's very easy to go down a certain rabbit hole on this topic, but to me doing so just clouds a very important issue.
I’m Irish and it’s similar here. Thank you so much for that rarest of things, common sense!!
Excellent discussion James, and you've only skimmed the surface. I'm simplifying this significantly but here in Straya, many, many people buy apartments (flats) in apartment blocks and the blocks are owned/ run by corporate (strata) bodies. When you buy your apartment, you also have to sign up to the strata body's T&Cs (which dictate *inter alia* when and where you put your bins out, what can/ cannot display on your balcony). A recurring problem in big cities and urban areas is how owners of EVs recharge their cars at home: strata bylaws prohibit dangling multiple 15A extension cords out of your kitchen window and there are no 240V outlets in your underground parking space. IOW your EV owner can't recharge their car at home. I used to think the strata/ bodies corporate were being unreasonable until I remembered that until recently everyone who had an apartment in that complex who had a petrol or diesel car didn't expect to have a refuelling facility in their block of flats.
The rEVolution is fine for *some*: the lie is that it is for *everybody*. Car manufacturers, lobby groups and governments alike are lying to ordinary people.
Not sure the Japanese manufacturers are quite so convinced in ONLY EV cars.
Spot on profiteering and greed has become the hallmark of energy companies and as for all these charges by local authorities to drive vehicles in cities is just a way of generatining revenue. We all still need from time to time to get into these places and they just want to tax us for it. I liken it to road fund license fees being diverted to pay for other things while our roads fall apart. Bring on the revolution.
I can't get public transport to get to and from work so rely on having a car, mine is 18 years old with intergalactic milage. I can't afford a replacement let alone an ev and I have absolutely no way to charge one at home 2/3rds of the houses on my street have the same charging issues. Thanks for bringing this to light for all the finger Waggers that can