How to beat MUCH LARGER Fleets in Empire at War! (Use this EVERY Battle!)
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- We take a look at a strategy you should be using in EVERY Battle in Empire at War, a strategy which should easily allow you to destroy much larger AI controlled fleets!
The game featured is called Empire at War: Thrawn's Revenge, and is one of the Empire at War Expanded series. It is one of the most popular Star Wars Empire at War real time strategy mod currently. Created by CoreyLoses, Thrawns Revenge is completely FREE and can easily be downloaded via the Steam Workshop. Got something to say about Thrawn's Revenge? Or Star Wars Empire at War in general? Be sure to let us know in the comments below!
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Divide and conquer, Thrawn would be proud.
This is what makes this mod (and game) so great. You have to use Rebellion tactics to win as the Rebellion. Love love.
Napoleon would be prouder
Defeat in detail 😊
I don't think this could even be called cheese, honestly. It strikes me as a perfectly viable in-universe tactic. That said, in reality it'd probably only work a few times before Imperial admirals caught on, whereas the AI will always fall prey to this. Regardless, good shout, Eck! I know what I'm doing the next time they roll me with a 15 ISD fleet.
They won't catch on if nobody lives to tell about it!
@@necromorphassasin Hah! Yeah fair point. And if you really need to, explain it away by saying your fleet has some new comms-jamming tech or something. No survivors, no distress calls.
Thrawn and probably Pellaeon wouldn't fall for it more than once, but most of the Empire, not to mention the First Order, would bite this each and every time.
It is an interesting tactic ( and an OP one, i used it for a long time) but i don't think, that any comander with more than 2 brain cells whoud breake the formation and chase one small ship aroud and also keep doing while the enemy is blowing his ships up.
@@agentiq007 That definitely covers the First Order, then.
Alternate Title
Imperial Doge Teaches you how to Destroy a 14 year old games AI with Facts and logic
This is using a muuuuch newer mod.
Robert Harris Its actually pretty old, but its up to date
Until a sequel is released this is THE Star Wars game. Squadrons is fun. But nothing has more game hours on my steam account. I can't go back to the original game. This is true. But mods like Remake, Thrawn's Revenge, and Fall of the Republic are like new games in of themselves. The remake in particular updates the game engine by a decade. Impressive for a free mod. Sure it crashes from time to time but like you said the game is 14 years old. There are no other RTS themed star wars games EA refused to do Empire at War 2. You can only modify games like Sins and Stellaris to force the Star Wars theme.
@@justinfrazier9555 I still like Rebellion more for the other stuff involved, but the Space Battles are kinda glitched in my Steam Version where I can't actually highlight ships in different colors to make it easy to decipher actual Space Battles.
@@justinfrazier9555 if they could just figure out how to add Rebellion's Diplomacy System and uprisings if you don't have enough troops there then EaW Mods would be the Definitive Experience for me. I do love the mods though in EaW
Once boarding ships are back I’m def gonna use this to capture enemy stardestroyers. Thanks Eck!
This works great for capturing because you can isolate ships and safely deploy the shuttle 👍
Hey Spiffing Eck here, today we are going to break the EaW ai
EaW is a fair and balanced game...
I think we should call it “The Eck Pincer”
A very solid variation of the Thrawn Pincer.
i would pay sooo much money for a modern remake of this. i just absolutely love the space battles.
Send request to Microsoft to get a studio to make a empire at war 2. It will have republic and cis, then galactic and rebels, and then the new trilogy even tho the movies sucked after the first one but the troops and ships are cool, add the new order and rebels. With 1080p textures for pvp and 4k for solo. Ahhhh that looks sooo nice in my head! As long as it runs smooth lowest dip 45 frames for pvp that's all that matters is good frames.
@@TheRAMBO9191 and rotating turrets on ships make me so happy
Mods are a good alternative
However I feel it actually holds up really well considering it's age
Very chill music for all out war with thousands dying every few minutes 😂
This making me download the thrawn mod. Great tactics btw, I know people may think of it as cheating but this is a real world tactic divide and conquer. Plus you can blame it on poor imperial commanders, they seem to always bite when there is a little bait dangled in front of them.
No real commander would fall for this though.
@@robertharris6092 I'm sure you would be the first. Just saying.
@@JIMvc2 on what reasoning? The single most important thing in warfare is to maintain formation and order.
@@JIMvc2 It's true. If I saw a rebel destroyer warp into space as long as my fleet holds the shipyards they can play in space all day from a distance I will watch but not move. Only an idiot would command his entire fleet to chase after the ship and leave the shipyards undefended. At the very least he would divert some ships from his fleet to engage the vessel while the rest defended. Don't forget just because the movies showed Imperial ignorance that these men all studied space engagement and theory for at least 4 years before graduating 2nd LT. The problem was the pursuit of power and self advancement. An admiral would simply refuse to help another imperial fleet if he felt he would gain from his peers death. Where as the Rebel cells had no reason to not help each other. The problem lay with the mindset of Imperial officers brought up in a society in which they were led to believe superiority in all things. There were a few who held high position because of family name or friendships but for the most part the Imperial academies churned out great quality officers well versed in their craft.
I remember a while back I was playing an older version of Thrawns Revenge during the late Imperial period, with Pelleaon as leader and the New Republic kept attacking my fleet as I was building it up, forcing me to suffer losses while they were in production. To address this, I made a raiding fleet of 20 TIE Defender Squadrons, and sent them against the nearest New Republic worlds to keep them off balance and to delay them. Id have to replace the fleet every now and again, but it worked well.
Can't build independent fighter anymore
I do similar things in other mods. Starfighters are generally OP, whoever wins that Battle wins the entire Battle usually
Hey Eck, could you specifically do a video on how to defend in a situation like this? Like if you have to defend one of your planets, and you are outnumbered but not to the extent that there is no hope?
Good idea
Use a single IPV or CR90 to kite around the edge of the map, and slowly kill everything one by one with the HV gun.
Rely on those reinforcements. You likely won't win even with the Kite Tactic. Just take out what you can, I like to punish the enemy by focusing everything on a hero then the destroy what I can after. Make it painful for them.
In Vanilla a Lvl 5 station can fight off most things
I always moved my bombers far from the fight, waited for the enemy fighters to engage themselves with the main force, then picked off the nastiest ship's engines (or hangers of carriers if playing modded), if the bombers survived long enough I'd set them to removing shields of said ships, by this time my main force would have dealt with any ship I hadn't taken out the engines of (or, at the very least, given a good account for myself), and if I was still alive at this point I'd do what I could to take out the remaining vessels. This only works on big maps enough to actually pull these maneuvers off but the huge fleets I've managed to cripple or force to retreat using only a mid-tier station turned the tide of many games.
Usually after the fighters deploy, I pause it and give the squadrons specific targets, I'll send A-wings after interceptors, X-wings after fighters and bombers and y-wings, b-wings and K-wings i'll give specific hardpoint targets to hit. I've always used a scout. Usually a Corellian Corvette.
You know that move reminds me a bit of the Thrawn pincer. I guess we should call this the Eckharts Maneuver.
In Fall of the Republic, my go-to method for securing my borders is to…
1) Move all ships away from my interior worlds and to the nearest border planets.
2) Move armies to border planets as well.
3) Begin building anti-orbital weapons on those planets and economy structures/stations on interior worlds.
4) Begin churning out Arquitens class ships and Corellian corvettes/consular corvettes/etc. Place 10-20 of each placed at border worlds and begin consolidating original border fleets into larger fleet groups.
5) Attach Heroes to Fleet Groups and put them on the offensive. Have Arquitens/Corvette Wolfpacks hold border worlds with support from ground based guns. Arquitens can outrun anything they can’t outfight and gang up on faster pursuers, corvettes can fend off missiles and fighter attacks. Have them fly back and forth across the map in one massed group to outrun larger enemy ships and pick them off.
Doesn’t always work. Sometimes a fleet is just too big or AI path finding causes some ships to utterly go in the wrong direction or get stuck. But for the most part this allows me to hold onto planets against all but the most ludicrously big enemy fleets (like with tons of Lucrehulks that can tank 12+ cannon shots)
How to win: cheat more than the AI
the AI doesn't cheat in EAWX. They don't get freespawns and credit drops like RAW, AOTR, etc, only build time and income depending on which difficulty is selected.
@@chel9190 So they don't cheat, they only cheat? :v
Shorter build times and more income is still cheat, not the same type but still cheat.
@@SalazarDaraster
1 its a buff
2 its not enough
;)
@@agentiq007
1 That kind of buff is "cheating", if any human opponent had that in multiplayer everyone would call them out for cheating, they wouldn't say "nah mate, it's only buff, it's fair"
2 No one said it was enough or anything, it isn't the point.
@@SalazarDaraster look , the AI is not the brightest so you can easly exploit it's stupidity. So it have to compensate for it by this buffs to income and build time. Also you can debuff the AI by playing on easy, so whoud that mean that you are cheating?
use good ship and don't be dummy
Love this tactic, it's my go-to against the AI. In the unmodded Forces of Corruption game, I would always use this tactic with Boba Fett or the Falcon as the scout. I'd also use it to kite defenses away from stations, then drop in a few squadrons of TIE Defenders or B-Wings to knock out the station's hangar and neutralize their garrison. About half the time the bombers would have time to knock out the shield generator too.
Of course, this meant that the game got so easy that I had to look up mods lol
Good tactic when you have the credits mid campaign. Playing as Rebels, Early campaign I'd use missile cruisers to take out the stations hanger and shields, all the while closely guarded by the main fleet of few heavy and light cruisers, corvettes and gunships. The few fighters and bombers are just back up. This works too with the empire but there is a danger of capital ships getting flanked with their narrow gun arcs and low armor.
YES EAW TUTORIAL VIDEOS PLEASE
You can also use asteroid fields in order to split the enemy fleet up... you dont really want to sacrifice any of your ships especially as the Alliance
If only I knew this, I wouldn't need the firepower of those 12 Praetors...
Damn, that's a good tactic. Better than fighter spam.
New version, I'm kinda happy with. Nebula is actually useful. But the carriers have such a miniscule fighter capacity now that it's just daft. The hand Athonia class, a carrier, now only has one fighter squad (which means its a low threat now, so I'm thankful), but the Quasar has lost 18 fighters which has screwed me over because that's 12 Y wings and 6 A wings I don't now have. Quasar spam still works because of population, but more ships means more chaos. But, you win some and lose some, so hey ho. Hopefully, the next patch changes it to more meaningful fighter numbers.
Really like these type of strategy videos
Finally some kind of tutorial! When I started playing I had basically no help and it took me a very long time to get the most out of EaW. keep up the good work!
Eck on Eckstoo, a nice suprise, though I like both Eck and Charlie.
Ngl rlly helpful I’ve always loved the Wolfpack technique with bothan assault cruisers it can shred isds never done the divide and conquer excited to finish school this week so I can play some tr best way to start the summer
I could watch a whole season of Eck doing Empire at War documentaries and never get bored
Wait, people weren't using the scout ship already? They've gone to plaid!
Ian T well... If they are forgetful they may forget to equip the way finder.
Whitney Lackenbauer after loading back into my save... always forget to put it back in😂😂😂
Good reference.
Justin teaches innocent youtube watcher how to bully AI
Wait eck's real name is Justin?
I known how to bully AI, I discovered it like a week after dowloading the mod.
Equal rights equal fights
In the original, unmodded EaW, there is no way finder slot, all ships go in at once. Is there a way to change this, or am I forced to just work with what I have?
The FoC expansion added it as a vanilla thing
Not sure if there's a mod to add it to Original Recipe EaW
@@347Jimmy there's not, u have to get other mods to get the way finder
Sadly no, it was added in the FoC DLC, so it's not in the straight up vanilla game by itself
There are mods for base EaW but I would have to check which one does it.
I had the same problem. Long story short I got destroyed.
Napoleon Called this “defeating your enemy in detail”. Even when you have the advantage this type of strategy is great to use in any situation. In any tactical game always use the greatest amount of force against the least amount of resistance.
I'm putting forward "Eckhart Pinch" as the name for this maneuver. Definitely good strats.
Note: This feature doesn't exist in vanilla EAW.
Note 2: This is fucking op with the Zahn Consortium if you have the Forces of Corruption DLC.
Bossk as Recon, Tyber with his Yeet-Cannon to rekt anyone bigger than a starfighter. If he is taking too much damage, cloak. You can also use Bossk or a few Crusaders to rekt the fighters off of Tyber.
Hey ecks. I just got empire at war with thrawns revenge. I was inspired by you. I was also wondering if you could do a video or series of videos about how you progress through each era for each faction. Ive been playing as the nr and have waited 60 weeks, but nothing has happened.
There's a screen that allows you to see it. First era is 80 weeks or the death of sate pestage/loss of coruscant
Aotr with its insane republic navies are a pain in the ass, I'll apply your strategy tomm
Kill the octuples and quads first, as that's where most of the ISD damage comes from. 2-3 bomber squadrons is usually enough to kill a single hardpoint in one salvo. Also, make sure you switch which hardpoint you target slightly before the first one dies. If a hardpoint dies after shots are fired at it, those shots are wasted, which is a pretty big deal if you're relying on a 30-second bomber reload.
Also, your 5 assault frigates and dauntless weren't shooting the secutor after you brought them in, since you never right clicked on the secutor itself. They got distracted by the fighters. You should really save your frigate punch for the flanking ISDs, and hamstring the isolated secutor with bombers, kind of the reverse of what you did in the second example. Once you split up the enemy, you need to target precisely.
Same tactics (Generally) for Total war Warhammer II. Its best to find some way to stagger your enemy so they don't all come at you with force. this is achieved with fast units to draw forces away while your main force deals with the divided force.
I want to did a similar thing in fall of the republic. I was playing on the confederacy and I was attacking Rothana, where the republic had a total of about 20 corellian corvettes, which would wreck my fighter heavy fleet. What I did was I sent a diamond cruise or a very close to their flights position where it caught the attention of about four or five Corvettes when I turned around and brought them back to the main fleet which destroyed them. I kept using this tactic to whittle down there Corvette numbers and then eventually there hopefully just attacked but since they had lost all of their anti-fighter they were very vulnerable.
*So Lit Mobile sent me this wireless battery pack*
Who wants a mobile battery pack when most peopl are staying home
I got adblock
Ceil Yurie there wheren’t any adson here anyway
😂😂😂
@@_tertle3892 oh
Ever watched a history video about Admiral Yi Sun Shin? Because he has some tactics you might like in naval combat.
Rebel attack should make heavy use of fighters. I’ve knocked out bigger Imp fleets than this by doing a three phased attack. First phase, drop the gunship and keep it outlying and away from the slower star destroyers. Use x-wings or a hero if mass driver or super laser weapons are in effect. Keep a corvette scout in play at all times. You can supplement with missile cruisers if you have them. They are murder on tie fighters! 2nd phase, drop x-wing and y-wings behind main destroyer fleet. Use a-wings and B-wings instead if you have them. Sweep in with with bombers vanguarded by fighters and take out all shields and docking bays. When these are neutralized, phase 3 should be to then drop in heavy cruisers and the imp cruisers will melt like wax in a bonfire! Works almost every time. It gets sticky however when they have missile boats in play too as they are great defense against fighters.
Amazing! You're an inspiration Grand Admiral Eck!
Would Charlie be up to making a Playthrough in TR Galactic Conquest? If so, I think it works be really enjoyable to watch
Right now we’ve got an ongoing TR campaign that I’m streaming, so not before that is over. -Eck
Eck's right. I won't be touching TR Galactic Conquest, but I will be doing a SSD Rampage mini-series on hard cruel AI!
- Charlie
Thank you Eck
You’re welcome!
To remove upkeep costs, keep your fleets over enemy planets. That way you can snowball and mass with no upkeep.
Also, drop off a fighter or some tiny corvette off at enemy major shipyards after you win them. Any space unit, even a single xwing, will stop the enemy from building anything in space too.
On unmodded, my go to trash fleet is 30 Y-wings, 10 X-wings, and 15 of the corvettes and sometimes a nebulon B or 3. It can kill a few large ships before the bombers go down.
Please please more of this it was very enjoyable Grand Admiral.
Is it the "use corvettes to distract entire chunks of fleets?" strat
Because I do this all the time in AotR, its fucking hilarious.
You can also use Alliance Light Frigates to do the same and chase down enemy ground transports too!
You should also do ground battles too, for example, when using lightsaber heroes, press attack and then press the movement behind infantry so the attack animation plays and so you mow down infantry faster and the cloak doesn't turn off (at least for luke) for fall of the republic I am not as aggressive, because b1 battlegrounds are easy to kill anyway and there are alot of counters to Jedi there (like the rocket tank...).
I’ve never played this game in all the years I’ve owned it lol, seriously planning to give it a go after watching some of your stuff!
I got attcked by home one, that corvette hero guy, rouge squadron and a y wing swuadron.
All did I was target eith fighters and won lmao
Great vid. I was kinda surprised you didn’t send the Bombers after ISD shield generators first? I play the Remake 2.2 which may have a different balance. Still it’s what I usually do and with a torpedo salvo big enough it’s works like charm.
There are no shield generators
My strategy for most the mods is to create a massive fighter ship fleet. About a good 20 or so fighter squads should do.
Then i get a majority of ships that are large carriers and tons of small dreadnaughts.
I'll usually set the commanding officer as the wayfinder scout because it ensures he'll be in the back of the fleet and based on my enemies fleet i can figure which ships need to be dropped first.
I always drop all the fighter squads i can so i'll the 20 or so i made along side anywhere from 10-30 fighter squads and bombers from my carriers.
I then send all my fighters and bombers towards the enemy fleet always ignoring their fighters as we launch all missiles at command ships and capital ships destroying their shields, engines, and hangerbays.
No with their more powerful ships dead in the water the enemy fleet will only be able to charge with their weaker ships.
Since by this point a lot of fighters have died i send the survivors back and ill have more already respawned from my carriers. Usually brings you back to the fighter size when u started.
Now i have my fighters pick off theirs as they wont be respawning with no hangers.
By now their main fleet has reached mine except those that have no engines. This usually means they come like 1 or 2 at a time so i can have all my dreadnaughts up front taking out whole frigates in mere seconds with focus firing.
I rarely end up losing ships and when i do its almost never command ships and usually corvettes or a frigate or two.
I prefer this strategy because i essentially have two fleets the fighter fleet and the main fleet.
Also i feel like this strategy is really good especially the first time you showed it. Being able to spawn in right behind them and blast their engines is like a dream come true. Altough I'm not a fan of the idea of "sacrificing" ships even if they are "free" ships mainly cause like you said the AI cheats so for me every ship i lose is equal to dozens of ships lost. I cant spawn a whole new fleet in like 2 minutes but it feels like the AI can so if im constantly sacrificing then im only hurting myself. But im def gonna give this a try when best applicable❤👍
TBH this is exactly what I started doing as the rebels. I would bring in lots of small ships as a lure, then bring in my larger capital ships on a single, isolated ship, take it down before other ships can turn around and react, then annihilate that one poor ship and run. I would slowly chip away at defenses until there was nothing left and I could just waltz in.
3 liberties to spread the damage and distract the fleet more, then bring in the damage with bellators and victory class type destroyers...
Big fan of this video. Would love to see more videos regarding specific tactics in empire at war/thrawns revenge
I wish you could do this in regular version of the game. You can’t scout in that one
I’m confused. Are you talking about the unit that comes in first because isn’t that already in FoC
And I thought I was a clever boi by using Lancers to escort ISD's like I'm sweeping the galactic floor
meanwhile Eck's here actually being the New Republic Thrawn
Oh wow! this seems so helpful! I've gotta try this in my game!
Fog of War: Bitch please.
Ooh yes. This is helpful
lol my fav strategy is to turn on and of the interdictor when they try to retreat, cus that way theyre basicaly not shooting back
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Eck. Turns out, you can also use this tactic in empire of ottoman. I used your tactics to lure and divide the enemy force and crushed them with archers and swordsmen. I beat the enemy 74 large army with just 7 units.
Ackbar jump in from hyperspace and yell,”surprise! muderfukers! It’s a trap!”
This seems like a fun game
The AI appears overly defensive in defense battles, holding most of their fleet near the space station while sending only one or two capital ships with fighters to challenge the vessel you hyperspaced in first, often getting easily overwhelmed by the reinforcements. As you deploy more ships the AI will charge at you but their formation will be severly broken due to speed difference, which is especially worse on larger maps. This allows defeating entire fleets with very small to zero losses as the AI's scattered fleet can't concentrate fire on you, not to mention that you can safely retreat while shields are still up.
Good call
I like using ships that can hyperspace away the moment ships get to them
15:44 Me yelling to look at the secutar at the top of the screen
You forgot to turn on the shields for the smaller craft like the Neb-B and the smaller Calamari cruisers and Subb's ship
great vid !! it'll be cool if you did something like this for ground battles because I suck at them and they're not the best part of the game
#AskEck When did the Mon Cala start making capital ships?
Did the Galaxy at large know they had the expertise and could they have made them far sooner?
Could they have built Star Destroyers for the GAR?
Could they have supplied powerful warships far far earlier? Hundreds of years BBY?
Thrawn will be proud
The TITLE looks like ITS written by FRANK Miller and I can't but help hear Linkara's voice WHEN I read it.
Nice tactics!
Please please please make more videos like this
The moment you order your fleet to move, they fall apart, so I always maintain their position on the spot where they jump in... What a mess, when you order some 8 CapShips to move -_-
i see what your talking about and i like it and is very rebel/ new republic but i like to put all my ship at the every end every close to each other so their gun and hit box are over lapsing in a very defense stance. and do to how the AI work where they lock on to ship one by one and not in a fleet when they go and attack you they will arrive one by one or in small group that you can mange. this don't work every time as their might be to many ship in reserve that hyperspace right on you to deal with or not enough ship on your part then if you can retreat do it. some battle are just not winnable so if you can retreat do it and don't waste ship in bad fight
Yeah that can definitely work in some situations, but here we were outgunned like 2 or 3 to 1 so we would’ve just been rolled over in both battles.
Love your videos keep them up
Well this tactic is unapplicable in other mods where there is a fog of war - as you can't spawn your ships where you can't see.
How can you call the reinforcements jumping out of the hyperspace one by one? When I played galactic conquest all the ships come out from hyperspace at once
Empire of the hand is unbeatable with tactics like this.
New update on fotr makes it way harder to get the fleets to break up
I'd imagine this can't work as well base game due to fog of war in space battles? That and smaller fleet caps?
that thumbnail is VERY ACCURATE. i destroyed a SSD in thrawns revenge with them.
Can you do a tactic for defensive play?
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Thrawn's Revenge dificult? *Laughs in cheese lord*
Sadly does not work on the Remake mod since you can only jump out of Hyperspace close to allies and there is a Fog of War. There i just send in a scout until I see enemy positions and try bring in my fleet where it can take out the biggest threat quickly. Usually play Empire because... Venators with TIEs are my vibe.
Hello, congratulations on the video! I am from Brazil and here there are not many toturiais about the game. How do you select just one ship to start and bring others through hyperspace? ob: game without mods, thanks!
This video was nicew but the music and/or background music/sound was annoying it that at certain points while I had my headphone on it faintly sounded like someone was ringing my doorbell so I kept pausing the video to check if someone was ringing the bell or not.
2 frigates in exchange for 8 capital Star destroyers, whoever is in command of the imperial fleet will probably be facing a painful death at the hand side of vader
Carrier spam
Works (almost) every time
I did try it, but when the New Republic has Home one types and Bulwark 3s,its nearly impossible
The eck pincer XD
Galaxy brain commanding the imperials
I used to go in with one ship, wait for the AI to attack with a few of its ships, bring in my entire fleet, smash that small part of their fleet, and then just hit retreat.
Ecks too teaches us how to rat ai
How do you assign your ships\troops a group? Like group 1,2,3,4, and so on
I must have missed something, how do you make it so you only have one ship at the start?
It’s not cheating, it’s called tactics.
The cheap one , but efective