Noticing is the closest thing to a technique that any of us will ever find while walking the Non-dual path - little by little the Unskillful Patterns that you speak of simply lose interest in us: we don't give them up, rather, THEY GIVE US UP ~ ! Thank You as always Mr. Fred ~ !!! 😆💜🙌 ~ !!!
I AM is not all that it is cracked up to be. What is prior to I AM is the meat and potatoes. That is a concept that is fascinating. It is an idea that is sort of beyond our capacity to understand directly but can be glimpsed in our peripheral vision. I AM is not really what i am. What I am really is prior to I AM. Whew! It is like an insect trying to imagine what it might be like on the moon. Thank you Fred
Everywhere I look, I'm the center --- I mean obviously I'm the center, I don't know why you cant see I'm the center, because clearly I am... & you're just furniture for the center ---- -- By golly that cracked me up hard! 😄 (Thanks for the belly full of giggles.) 💙👌
While the preparatory discussion is still good, Fred responds directly to the title at 31:25. Is noticing unskillful patterns sufficient? Chogyam Trungpa died from alcoholism, and Shinzen Young mentioned in a UA-cam video that after awakening he still needed a therapist to help with his procrastination. Jeffery Martin reports that people with PNSE still go to jail and get divorced occasionally, but one might argue that PNSE and awakening are different things. Fred, do you think these people weren't noticing enough, or do you think there was something else going on that prevented them from abandoning unskillful patterns?
"Unskillful" (that's personal commentary on God's handiwork) patterns will decrease of fade if they do. If they don't, you're hung with them. Secondarily, it seems to be very helpful if there is a genuine desire to be other than the way you are. Awakening is not a panacea. If it feels like your unit could benefit from psychotherapy, go get psychotherapy. The same goes for legal, medical, financial and every other kind of advice or help. Give unto the unit what is the unit's: a relative fix if there's something available and you feel drawn to it. Also, ALL OF US should have Shunryu Suzuki-Roshi's brand of procrastination. Have you noticed what that "lazy" guy accomplished??? lol
@@FredDavisNonduality Okay, makes sense. I agree that Young is very productive. As I recall he reported that the therapy was successful and he became much more productive afterwards. So I think we are talking about different parts of his life.
The nightmare (unhappiness) is my alarm to notice. “Investigate all the beliefs that cause you suffering. Wake yourself up from your nightmares, and the sweet dreams will take care of themselves.” - Byron Katie
The best way I can imagine showing my appreciation to Fred's spirit would be to Stand beside him and face the unknown together. Hope that cough clear's up quicker than that sexy voice disapeared.
Thanks a lot for this. One of my first awakenings was 10+ years ago and I’ve had a hard time expressing what the realization I had was and this almost on the spot nailed it. When I told the people I was with at the time about the realization they all laughed at me and told me I sounded dumb (and I laughed too).
25:45 yep 😂🤣😂 I want the dream to surrender to selfs patterns. There have been several awakening experiences which typically if not always included hysterical laughter however there is still chronic attachment to the mind, it’s contents and all the emotions that go along with it. I’m wide asleep mostly walking around feeling this way and that, typically depressed and anxious. Intellectually I totally get it, experientially not so much. I give up 😂🤣😂 which paradoxically is the best thing to do I hear. 😋😜🤪
Laughter is a good sign - yes giving up is what seems to happen - yet there is no one who could give up or not give up - these are both ideas and thoughts appearing inside of this - awakening experiences happen - they just don't happen to anyone - in fact an awakening could be said to be "oneness having a character free moment" which the ego soon claims as "something that happened to me" that I have now lost and need to find again - playing the game of eternal hide and seek - would recommend investigating an awakening session or join onto the next Skillful Means Series
@@FredDavisNonduality hahaha! Yes indeed. That’s all extraordinarily familiar sounding and indeed quite correct. I’ve watched the ego snatch up experiences and claim them. It’s so fast that it’s baffling really. One day during one of them the very second ego saw what was happening and reached for it it disappeared. “I” then watched the disappointment and subsequent seeking begin again. That was several years ago, but it was a memorable moment. I’d love to have a session with you Nr Fred but I’m just a poor boy from a poor family. 😋 Maybe once I’m back to work. Unemployment and disability is my current state of affairs. Love you, love the channel. Been listening and enjoying your stuff for a couple years. Keep it coming! 🙂
i notice more relative skill as i go; without Wesley this unit just sees no reason not to go the speed limit or wait for the light to cross the street or wash the dishes etc. it is just the way of things
I like that you mentioned the phenomenon of Ramana Maharshi's cow before talking about your dogs. It shows openness to truth in a world where everyone wants to be right.
Fred can you help me understand the pattern of like nature for instance. Take Australia being on fire. There are a lot of people who are aware that they are awareness and that awareness is aware of the fires. But why doesn't awareness stop the fires? There are spontaneous miracles in healing when awareness wakes up but why not help the people and animals when it is aware? I hope that was a clear question. Thank you Fred. Much love to you.
Hi Fred. Is it true to say that there is no cause and effect? I think you’ve spoken about this before but I can’t find where. Could you say something about it? Much appreciated.
There is the APPEARANCE of cause and effect within the dream of relativity. More deeply, everything is affecting everything all the time, so there is nothing separate to be a cause or an affect. There's just This As It Is. Yet more deeply, This As It Is is an APPEARANCE, and thus: THERE IS ONLY.
It is being noticed that I am on about my 8th Fred Davis video!!! lol Beats the heck out of Netflix...this is like another clarity session: thank you Fredness!!
I think he said "minor compared to a check in the bank". He was categorizing the types of self-centeredness, saying that wanting to be perceived as a good person is a form of self centeredness that is minor compared to the form of self centeredness where one is motivated by money.
I'm glad you said that about the "I am" people. The non-dual crowd is full of confused teachers and some, very famous, not to name names. They tell a good story but it is incomplete.
😷NOTE: AS MANY OF YOU ALREADY KNOW, THE FRED UNIT IS RECOVERING FROM MAJOR SPINAL SURGERY. IT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL, BUT THE RECOVERY PROCESS WILL BE LENGTHY, AND TWO OF THE MAJOR FACTORS ARE PHYSICAL ENERGY AND VOCAL CAPACITY. SO BOTH WILL HAVE TO BE CAREFULLY MANAGED. FRED WILL BE CUTTING VIDEOS AGAIN SHORTLY. THE USUAL BACK-AND-FORTH OF THIS BOARD WILL CHANGE, SO STAY TUNED. HELP IS ON THE WAY! WE CAN PROMISE YOU THAT WE'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE! LOL FOR ANSWERS TO BURNING QUESTIONS, YOU NEED TO COME TO SATSANG SO THAT MANY CAN BENEFIT FROM THAT Q&A AT THE SAME TIME. MORE WILL BE REVEALED. WE LOVE YOU. FRED & BETSY & OUR GROWING STAFF
Sometimes, when I play music, I will space out and keep playing fine, then suddenly come back and think: "Wow, I'm getting pretty good at this", then I usually mess up royally.
😷NOTE: AS MANY OF YOU ALREADY KNOW, THE FRED UNIT IS RECOVERING FROM MAJOR SPINAL SURGERY. IT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL, BUT THE RECOVERY PROCESS WILL BE LENGTHY, AND TWO OF THE MAJOR FACTORS ARE PHYSICAL ENERGY AND VOCAL CAPACITY. SO BOTH WILL HAVE TO BE CAREFULLY MANAGED. FRED WILL BE CUTTING VIDEOS AGAIN SHORTLY. THE USUAL BACK-AND-FORTH OF THIS BOARD WILL CHANGE, SO STAY TUNED. HELP IS ON THE WAY! WE CAN PROMISE YOU THAT WE'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE! LOL FOR ANSWERS TO BURNING QUESTIONS, YOU NEED TO COME TO SATSANG SO THAT MANY CAN BENEFIT FROM THAT Q&A AT THE SAME TIME. MORE WILL BE REVEALED. WE LOVE YOU. FRED & BETSY & OUR GROWING STAFF
Thanks, Sharon! Nonduality is the one essential topic to explore in life, but we don't have to do it with glum faces in shushed rooms. The truth can initially be seen as being rather stark (to an ego), but a deeper look shows that it's funny as hell!
@@FredDavisNonduality wondering what you think about the AA disease model of recovery..and the idea of having to always identify as an alcoholic ..having had a non abiding awakening..I struggle with this idea in AA of being an alcoholic and identifying with that story....?
Twelve step recovery saved my life, but I recognize it's not for everybody. It's a great model for coming out of denial, and a good model for clearing up in recovery. The long-term model has to be thoughtfully considered by each individual once they get there. This comment isn't very nondual, but I think the point will carry. All you Nondual Policeman put away your nightsticks!! :-)
At the point : "I promise they ain´t going anywhere..." I had to laugh so much! Love your humor!
lol Laughter is the bhakti of this Teaching.❤️
Noticing is the closest thing to a technique that any of us will ever find while walking the Non-dual path - little by little the Unskillful Patterns that you speak of simply lose interest in us: we don't give them up, rather, THEY GIVE US UP ~ ! Thank You as always Mr. Fred ~ !!! 😆💜🙌 ~ !!!
There is no we x
You're sooooooooooooo welcome!
And there is only we ❤
Check and see if there is only "we," or if there is only "I". Then check to see if there's really an "I" there.
I AM is not all that it is cracked up to be. What is prior to I AM is the meat and potatoes.
That is a concept that is fascinating. It is an idea that is sort of beyond our capacity to understand directly but can be glimpsed in our peripheral vision. I AM is not really what i am. What I am really is prior to I AM. Whew! It is like an insect trying to imagine what it might be like on the moon. Thank you Fred
You are so very, very welcome, Randy!
I have read all of your books and they are life changing ♥️
That's great, Laura. There will be another sometime this summer.♥
Thanks, Fred. Nonjudgmental noticing - that's the key. The witness does not take the patterns personally, which makes it easier to fine tune them.
Yes!
♥
Everywhere I look, I'm the center --- I mean obviously I'm the center, I don't know why you cant see I'm the center, because clearly I am... & you're just furniture for the center ----
-- By golly that cracked me up hard! 😄
(Thanks for the belly full of giggles.) 💙👌
Love that!
While the preparatory discussion is still good, Fred responds directly to the title at 31:25.
Is noticing unskillful patterns sufficient? Chogyam Trungpa died from alcoholism, and Shinzen Young mentioned in a UA-cam video that after awakening he still needed a therapist to help with his procrastination. Jeffery Martin reports that people with PNSE still go to jail and get divorced occasionally, but one might argue that PNSE and awakening are different things. Fred, do you think these people weren't noticing enough, or do you think there was something else going on that prevented them from abandoning unskillful patterns?
"Unskillful" (that's personal commentary on God's handiwork) patterns will decrease of fade if they do. If they don't, you're hung with them. Secondarily, it seems to be very helpful if there is a genuine desire to be other than the way you are.
Awakening is not a panacea. If it feels like your unit could benefit from psychotherapy, go get psychotherapy. The same goes for legal, medical, financial and every other kind of advice or help. Give unto the unit what is the unit's: a relative fix if there's something available and you feel drawn to it.
Also, ALL OF US should have Shunryu Suzuki-Roshi's brand of procrastination. Have you noticed what that "lazy" guy accomplished??? lol
@@FredDavisNonduality Okay, makes sense.
I agree that Young is very productive. As I recall he reported that the therapy was successful and he became much more productive afterwards. So I think we are talking about different parts of his life.
The nightmare (unhappiness) is my alarm to notice.
“Investigate all the beliefs that cause you suffering. Wake yourself up from your nightmares, and the sweet dreams will take care of themselves.”
- Byron Katie
Yes. The way out is through.
The best way I can imagine showing my appreciation to Fred's spirit would be to Stand beside him and face the unknown together. Hope that cough clear's up quicker than that sexy voice disapeared.
Jack Joyous “i” like your radical honesty
Please come to Satsang if you have questions or need a comment. I had spinal surgery last month and I’ve had to reduce my workload. Thank you!♥
Thanks Fred , removes the heaviness!
👍🏼
Thanks Fred, crystal clear and so refreshing, the water of truth. I haven't read your book.
You're welcome.
LOL
Thanks a lot for this. One of my first awakenings was 10+ years ago and I’ve had a hard time expressing what the realization I had was and this almost on the spot nailed it. When I told the people I was with at the time about the realization they all laughed at me and told me I sounded dumb (and I laughed too).
Terrific!
25:45 yep 😂🤣😂
I want the dream to surrender to selfs patterns.
There have been several awakening experiences which typically if not always included hysterical laughter however there is still chronic attachment to the mind, it’s contents and all the emotions that go along with it.
I’m wide asleep mostly walking around feeling this way and that, typically depressed and anxious.
Intellectually I totally get it, experientially not so much.
I give up 😂🤣😂 which paradoxically is the best thing to do I hear. 😋😜🤪
Laughter is a good sign - yes giving up is what seems to happen - yet there is no one who could give up or not give up - these are both ideas and thoughts appearing inside of this - awakening experiences happen - they just don't happen to anyone - in fact an awakening could be said to be "oneness having a character free moment" which the ego soon claims as "something that happened to me" that I have now lost and need to find again - playing the game of eternal hide and seek - would recommend investigating an awakening session or join onto the next Skillful Means Series
@@FredDavisNonduality hahaha! Yes indeed. That’s all extraordinarily familiar sounding and indeed quite correct.
I’ve watched the ego snatch up experiences and claim them. It’s so fast that it’s baffling really.
One day during one of them the very second ego saw what was happening and reached for it it disappeared.
“I” then watched the disappointment and subsequent seeking begin again. That was several years ago, but it was a memorable moment.
I’d love to have a session with you Nr Fred but I’m just a poor boy from a poor family. 😋
Maybe once I’m back to work.
Unemployment and disability is my current state of affairs.
Love you, love the channel. Been listening and enjoying your stuff for a couple years.
Keep it coming! 🙂
Perfect timing, and chock full of wisdom. Had to take notes this time. : ) Thank you, Fred!!
:-) You're welcome, Eron!
i notice more relative skill as i go; without Wesley this unit just sees no reason not to go the speed limit or wait for the light to cross the street or wash the dishes etc. it is just the way of things
Yes!
So helpful! It is Awakeness that notices patterns! This brought me so much clarity.
Thanks again, Fred!
As ever, it's my pleasure, Karen. I really appreciate your enthusiasm!
I so appreciate the way you speak of Betsy!
Hey, Susan! I'm glad this hit you when and where you needed it. ♥
I like that you mentioned the phenomenon of Ramana Maharshi's cow before talking about your dogs. It shows openness to truth in a world where everyone wants to be right.
;-)
Fred can you help me understand the pattern of like nature for instance. Take Australia being on fire. There are a lot of people who are aware that they are awareness and that awareness is aware of the fires. But why doesn't awareness stop the fires? There are spontaneous miracles in healing when awareness wakes up but why not help the people and animals when it is aware? I hope that was a clear question. Thank you Fred. Much love to you.
Much love to you, too, but really these types of questions need to be taken in Satsang. It's online on Sundays. Come join us!
@@FredDavisNonduality I will! Thank you for the response 🙏
SUCH A KIND SOUUUUL
🙏
Hi Fred. Is it true to say that there is no cause and effect? I think you’ve spoken about this before but I can’t find where. Could you say something about it? Much appreciated.
There is the APPEARANCE of cause and effect within the dream of relativity. More deeply, everything is affecting everything all the time, so there is nothing separate to be a cause or an affect. There's just This As It Is.
Yet more deeply, This As It Is is an APPEARANCE, and thus:
THERE IS ONLY.
Thanks Fred.
You bet!
It is being noticed that I am on about my 8th Fred Davis video!!! lol Beats the heck out of Netflix...this is like another clarity session: thank you Fredness!!
Hey, Susan! We'll at least give him an "A" for effort!
Oops! Forgot something. ♥ There.
@@FredDavisNonduality 🙏🏻❤
27:33 ' that's still minor compared to a _____ ? ' what is spoken here, I can't quite hear ? TY great talk : )
Thank you! I'm glad you found it useful, even though it's not "true." :-)
I think he said "minor compared to a check in the bank". He was categorizing the types of self-centeredness, saying that wanting to be perceived as a good person is a form of self centeredness that is minor compared to the form of self centeredness where one is motivated by money.
I'm glad you said that about the "I am" people. The non-dual crowd is full of confused teachers and some, very famous, not to name names. They tell a good story but it is incomplete.
It's a skillful teaching, and it's true as far as it goes, but it doesn't go far enough.
Kindness 🕊️🕊️ thank you Fred 💕
😷NOTE: AS MANY OF YOU ALREADY KNOW, THE FRED UNIT IS RECOVERING FROM MAJOR SPINAL SURGERY. IT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL, BUT THE RECOVERY PROCESS WILL BE LENGTHY, AND TWO OF THE MAJOR FACTORS ARE PHYSICAL ENERGY AND VOCAL CAPACITY. SO BOTH WILL HAVE TO BE CAREFULLY MANAGED.
FRED WILL BE CUTTING VIDEOS AGAIN SHORTLY. THE USUAL BACK-AND-FORTH OF THIS BOARD WILL CHANGE, SO STAY TUNED. HELP IS ON THE WAY! WE CAN PROMISE YOU THAT WE'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE! LOL
FOR ANSWERS TO BURNING QUESTIONS, YOU NEED TO COME TO SATSANG SO THAT MANY CAN BENEFIT FROM THAT Q&A AT THE SAME TIME. MORE WILL BE REVEALED. WE LOVE YOU.
FRED & BETSY & OUR GROWING STAFF
Your unit is Godsent. Thank you for allowing this vid to go through you.
You are so welcome. I can take no credit, but I notice that feeling flattered arises.
Great vid. Well worth the apparent wait! "Noticing without judging." And "the part part is the dream".
Thank you, Robin!
Brilliant. I love your claer pointing. 💛
Thank you! Get comfortable and make yourself a Home.
Missed you Fred. I know....I know - dualistic words. I was worried about that cough too!
Thanks, Thomas! It's a nag and a drag, but it must be what's supposed to be going on! :-)
Sometimes, when I play music, I will space out and keep playing fine, then suddenly come back and think: "Wow, I'm getting pretty good at this", then I usually mess up royally.
Thought screws it all up, does it not??
@@FredDavisNonduality The second it kicks in.
WOW......love it ❤️
Great! Thank you!
Awesome! I love this so very much. XOXO!
Thanks, Dina! I appreciate your encouragement!
Missed you. I hope you and Betsy and your team (including dogs) have had a restful and still break. Make the most of any opportunity eh!
Hey, Erin! Thanks!
I was looking here for a fresh vid. 4 oclock everyday. Had a big story built up what happened to Fred. *sips tea*
😷NOTE: AS MANY OF YOU ALREADY KNOW, THE FRED UNIT IS RECOVERING FROM MAJOR SPINAL SURGERY. IT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL, BUT THE RECOVERY PROCESS WILL BE LENGTHY, AND TWO OF THE MAJOR FACTORS ARE PHYSICAL ENERGY AND VOCAL CAPACITY. SO BOTH WILL HAVE TO BE CAREFULLY MANAGED.
FRED WILL BE CUTTING VIDEOS AGAIN SHORTLY. THE USUAL BACK-AND-FORTH OF THIS BOARD WILL CHANGE, SO STAY TUNED. HELP IS ON THE WAY! WE CAN PROMISE YOU THAT WE'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE! LOL
FOR ANSWERS TO BURNING QUESTIONS, YOU NEED TO COME TO SATSANG SO THAT MANY CAN BENEFIT FROM THAT Q&A AT THE SAME TIME. MORE WILL BE REVEALED. WE LOVE YOU.
FRED & BETSY & OUR GROWING STAFF
Nice to 🐝 💙 🐝 flowing wu Wei !!! Priceless humor, 🔆#Namaste🔆
Hi, Lee! Thanks for writing! I think I screwed up and deleted a couple of your other comments. Sorry :-(
You are so funny.love your videos😃😉
Thanks, Sharon! Nonduality is the one essential topic to explore in life, but we don't have to do it with glum faces in shushed rooms. The truth can initially be seen as being rather stark (to an ego), but a deeper look shows that it's funny as hell!
@@FredDavisNonduality so true..it is so funny..first time I 'heard ' the truth I fell about laughing in a very serious room😃🤣
@@FredDavisNonduality wondering what you think about the AA disease model of recovery..and the idea of having to always identify as an alcoholic ..having had a non abiding awakening..I struggle with this idea in AA of being an alcoholic and identifying with that story....?
Twelve step recovery saved my life, but I recognize it's not for everybody.
It's a great model for coming out of denial, and a good model for clearing up in recovery.
The long-term model has to be thoughtfully considered by each individual once they get there.
This comment isn't very nondual, but I think the point will carry. All you Nondual Policeman put away your nightsticks!! :-)
@@FredDavisNonduality I see thanks so much .maybe I could continue this conversation with you? Do you do private sessions?😊
Why is Source speaking now through dream Fred and explaining things ...?why bother...? It's a dream...
Why?
Why not??
Noticing the noticing.⛾
There it is. :-)
You know, an entirely different vibe happens when you play instrumentals lightly behind your dialogue Fred. In a good way!
Hey, Praveen! Truth is, I'm unlikely to notice whether there is music on or not. :-)
The manifest can't notice! :)