Six keeps saying “sannin-level”..... that doesn’t make any sense! That’s like saying “akatsuki-level” to imply hidan and pain are equals..... Jiraiya and orochimaru are NOT equals.... orochimaru got WWAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY stronger after the hanzo encounter! Which makes sense because orochimaru became “immortal”! So orochimaru doesn’t have to worry about becoming slower and physically weaker due to old age like Jiraiya does. And orochimaru spent his time grinding, learning all kinds of jutsu while Jiraiya pretty much retired to write porn books after the hanzo fight! That’s why orochimaru killed the kazekage and hokage in the same week. Jiraiya has no feat that’s as impressive as this! This is also why orochimaru did better against V2 naruto than Jiraiya did...... six, please stop taking orochimaru’s feats and accomplishments and giving them to Jiraiya..... they are not equal.... they’re not even close! Jiraiya would not be able to replicate what orochimaru has done, just because they’re both called “sannin”.... that’s like saying a “laker” coming off the bench is “equal” to Lebron James, just because they both play for the Lakers.... that’s not how it works dude......
@@GodlyShinobi Felt good liking your own comment huh? I say Sannin level because there is a general agreed upon level the community puts the Sannin at and it helps people better understand the video if I word it that way. Move on & stop dick eating in my comments all the time get a hobby or sumn.
kakazu is higher than people think along with sassori, your scaling for kisame is good, itachi good, pain ok and konon ok. overall the video is ok and I think you should get rid of the hole tiering systum because there isn't a exact list of things people can do to be a 'KAGE' level opponent or a 'high level joinin' it isn't as simple as dragonball were you can measure every charter off of say goku or vegeta at certain points. overall the list of the akaski is such (this is them as they would be at full power so I am giving itachi edo itachi's phiscal stats, orochimaru at the beginning of shippuden). this list is based on speed mainly because if you can't hit a person your kinda dead and then I wen't off there ablitys, example of this being the case is when rock lee fought sasske an sasske wasn't fast enough to block his punch an got combed on. 1-obito (faster than both Gai, naruto and kakashi an it took a major plan to beat him) 2-itachi (briefly fights killer bee and KCM naruto anfights alongside them) 3-kakazu (fought yugito who scales around killer bee's speed an no her speed was not amped it was her speed. its the reason why I gave the lee vs sasske example because so long as your faster an you have hax like when obito fought naruto your hax out weighs how fast they are but scene yugito landed a attack on bee and bee landed a attack on her that puts the speed scaling there an the two tails in her also scratched Naruto's back Side with one of her paws) 4-orochimaru (said to be stronger than EMS sasske by suigetsu a pretty good source for orochimaru) 5-kisame (fighting agents killer bee) light speed an below, everyone above is faster than light 6-sassori (scaling off of his puppets during the kage summit when konkuro shot kuni out that trailed right along side garra's sand, dare's laser circus and temari's wind an later was stated to be holding back agents konkuro) 7-dedira (matched with onoki in flight speed and doged a attack in ) 8-pain (as a full group, its shown that the group is at its weakest as they only stood a chance agents sage mode naruto with deva path. there are no real speed feats for the pains when they are a group) 9-konon (her attacks barly hit jirya and could't doge his toad oil in time) 10-hidan (self admitted the slowist) overall the akaski gets far but getting rid of obito an orochimrau makes it much harder so I would say that they would lose mainly because of the 5 kage being so dam strong. overall the alliance is just filled with to many strong people like Gai, ay, Mei, onoki, garra, naruto, bee, kakashi and choji who boxed up the getto statue.
Yeah, those individuals were at least high tier jonin and the main side characters. Against even hidan, most of the shinobi alliance would be obliterated. Does nobody remember the alliance doesn't consist of naruto, bee, kakashi, guy, or any of just konoha 11? It also consisted of background fodder ninja.
@@lapplandkun9273 Kakashi and Guy are literally core members of the Shinobi Alliance. Not to mention that Kakashi knows damn near everything about all the Akatsuki members, and is much stronger than the last time he fought the Akatsuki. He can literally oneshot the worst members with Kamui. Add 8th Gate Guy and the Five Kage fusion technique, something that Madara used the Perfect Susan'o against, who's surviving that.
@Lappland Kun firstly most akatduki would've lost to fodder just from exgaustion I mean itachi if he ever needs to use mangekyou will lose in less then 5 mins They would cause dmg But most akatsuki also lost while being in edo
The 40 k shinobis are not just useless numbers, they are well coordinated fire power which scales to some Madara's level ninjutsu. In the second scenerio we have: Kakashi, Mifune, Sakura, Rock lee, Might Guy, Temari, Kankuro with Sasori's puppet, Choji, Shikamaru. Darui, Kurotsuchi, Chojuro, Ao, Hinata with twin lion fist, Hiashi, Kitsuchi and planty no name shinoby whos water style challenged Madaras . I think they can take the akatsuki. + you can make an argument about that Lee blitzed Madara so he can do that to Deva path/Tobi.
Idk, if the Kage + Jinchuriki Duo are removed, the Akatsuki might get it worse. Kakashi’s usage of Kamui in the war arc makes him a massive threat to those who are focused on the absolute *problem* that is 8th Gate Guy.
@@koti6158 he pretty could before Naruto gave him Charkra is when the alliance showed up you had Kakashi confident he can kamui the giant tailed beast bomb from Obito path of pains
@@koti6158 He has a minimum of 5 shots of Kamui meaning he could take out 5/6 of the paths of Pain if he needed too(WA Kakashi wouldn't need Kamui to defeat Pain) or given that Kakashi knows how Pain works he could take out the Naraka path & The Deva Path meaning Pain's heavy hitting body has been taken out then he can take out Itachi with Kamui(mind you Kakashi's speed with Kamui is ridiculous in the WA so No Akatsuki member should be able to dodge it) then Kisame then the next strongest Member(Whoever you think that is) leaving only the Weaker Akatsuki members to KCM Naruto
@@koti6158 He certainly showed a lot of that ability. Also this is such hypocrisy, since you pro-Akatsuki guys think itachi is a factor while ignoring his much more crippling health and chakra problems.
The best part is you never even mentioned Kakashi, Guy, Tenten with the Six Paths tools, Shikamaru's ability to strategize, Sakura with her Byakugou seal, or any massive combination jutsu from the allied forces (that were strong enough to hinder the ten tails, mind you). All are big factors that give the allied shinobi forces major chances for a W.
I have a question. Can Pain/Nagato control the Juubi? Or can Nagato become the Ten Tails Jinchuriki? How powerful would a hypothetical Juubi Jinchuriki Nagato be?
Probably slightly stronger than Jubito, I’d give it to Jubito if he was able to use Kamui in his Jinchuriki state like Jubidara when he snatched Kakashi’s eye.
Considering Obito is just superior to nagato in every way and his mind was torn apart by the 10 tails the exact same thing would happen here. Except of course nagato would die he loses the 10 tails.
@@Youngsickbacchus its actually hard to saying being that nagato is en Uzumaki who are known for incredible Chakra reserves and life force. There was a reason nagato. Could use 2 rinnegans and obito could only use one. might be able to handle it better than obito honestly.
@@janedoe4929 Obito already got defeated by the alliance with Madara somewhat helping him,and that was juubito so normal Obito would never win by himself
Akatsuki vs the 5 kage + Bee and Naruto is close I think, +40k ninja is just a mismatch, even if they are all fodder (which they arn't, there are some other powerhouses in the group), then can keep the pressure up to let the important fighters heal and plan. i think what people forget about KCM naruto in particular is that when he fought Itachi and Nagato he was very low on stamina and was basically incapable of using clones, he was fighting on all fronts at once after all.
Let’s get this straight The akatsuki would disgrace the 5 kage on their own Adding in guy kakashi naruto and bee would make it even Before the 40k shinobi can become a hindrance they’d have killed some of the kage and possibly bee And nagato can just repair anyone near death with the hell king good as new while obito and itachi cover him and then to obliterate the 40k shinobi with chaotic shinra tensei leaving only Kcm1.5 naruto, 7th gate guy, war arc kakashi, and bee Only 2 of those characters scale slightly above nagato Being guy and naruto (nagato already folded bee and just 2 pains folded kakashi) So we have obito/itachi/nagato/kisame + the remaining akatsuki members Vs fatigued naruto, guy kakashi and bee Akatsuki take it high diff
Obito tanked a rasengan to the face then got kakashi to chidori through his HEART and then got juubi extracted .Highest level of durability in my opinion😂
Ok, thanks to the 3rd databook, I finally know what Hidan's minimum power ceiling is: a thousand men at once. Now, I know it's a thousand fodder, but to my knowledge, Hidan doesn't have many large scale attacks, so it'd be interesting to see how he'd fight. I wonder if he'd just blitz 999 of them and then Jashin-end the last guy for giggles (I haven't watched past the 2 minute mark of this video yet, so I don't know if Six will talk about how Hidan will deal with the sheer numbers of Shinobi alliance, if he needs to at all)
I don't think Hidan can beat a thousand Shinobi. 5 or 6 paper grenades can take him out and even the most basic shinobi can use those. Not to mention a single decapitation would take him out of the fight. He can beat people on that level though, he's just not built for fighting against large numbers.
@@OK-yy6qz I can see that, but I aint gonna argue with the 3rd databook lol. I'm kinda wrote all this since I've always viewed Hidan as trash, so I'm trying my hardest to hype him up as much as possible. I dunno, maybe Hidan can intimidate his opponents into not thinking rationally or maybe he's just unbelievably faster than the average shinobi (he can a thousand shinobi not necessarily a thousand jonin lol) I'm grasping at straws here trying to rationalize the 3rd databook statement Six mentioned in the vid XD
@@jayd.doubledubs im just going to say it was an expression and leave it at that. I believe it was Hiddan that actually defeated the 2 Tails which i definitely can see defeating a thousand Shinobi. So he's at that level just not fit for fighting against entire armies of opponents
Anyone that thinks that this version of the akatsuki whould beat the 5 kage, naruto,bee, mifune, darui, all of the other kage guards, all the elite jonin in the alliance, war arc sakura, war arc kakashi and guy , and on top of that the other 40000 shinobi just doesnt understand basic naruto scaling
@@jadynestrada4452 facts. I think the only people they have to worry about is Itachi, Obito & Kisame. I don’t think those 3 can take on all kage (assuming they can keep eachother alive) + top ninja from every nation + fodder reinforcements.
@@AXELnara22 tbh the fact that konohamaru took 1 out makes me think that any 2-3 man squa can take out each pain and thn they would need a little assistance taking out the yahiko pain. i sure they can ull it off.
This was a good analysis,as one could expect from you :) Started to think about the Alliance having so many people (40k is so so much) but then I realized like half the Akatsuki are specialized in AoE (Sasori and Deidra came first to mind but Pain,Kakuzu and Kisame come to mind. Also Susano'o and Paper Mines if possible :D) (I'm not saying Six is wrong,I wanted to share this idea about the big army being no-diffed :) )
Interesting idea for a video would be who would win if you split the War arc into 4 groups. (Shinobi alliance with KCM Naruto and Bee), (Obito, Madara, GuruGuru Yamato and the Bijuu), (Taka and the Edo hokage), and (Kabuto and his Edo Tensei). I think its decently balanced frfr and its hard to decide on a real winner.
Madara with a perfect susanoo kills everyone Except hashirama In which obito finishes the job until minato arrives which Yamato actually then ends before hiruzen ends it Wow nvm this might actually be a close fight Now that I think about it Taka team with orochimaru edo just win 💀
@@gameuniverse5973 the edo hogake beat down everyone Obito gets murdered by minato in 3 seconds Madara loses to hashirama and sealed Hiruzen puts down Yamato or kills him You now got the edo kages vs naruto, bee and the shinobi alliance It’s not going well for them that’s all I gotta say
@@gameuniverse5973 gotta look at context. GuruGuru fought a tired and weakened alliance fresh off of getting their backs blown out by madara and obito. A fresh Taka came in and did a speed run on him. If the Shinobu alliance starts off with KCM 2 naruto, 7th gate guy, byakugou Sakura etc they're a whole different beast. Also I feel like Kabuto gets underrated a lot, he has at least 6 kage+ level people with him and he's at least that level as well.
@@Zeno1781 I don't think it's that easy. With the exception of Kabutos group the top 2 for each side is relatively even, and kabutos group balances out with numbers. Madara & Obito, Hashirama & Minato, and KCM 2 Naruto and 7th gate Guy. The next tier is pretty even as well with (War arc Kakashi Bee Sakura and 6th Gate Lee), (EMS Sasuke, Tobirama, Hiruzen, and Oro), the 6 edo bijuu with GuruGuru, and (kabuto, nagato, itachi, the edo kage, kin gin brothers etc). Each group is balanced well. The Shinobi alliance has true balance top to bottom, the Edo Hokage are a concentrated group but lacks numbers, obitos group is similarly top heavy but have better ways to deal with numbers, and kabutos group has a sheer numbers advantage (in terms of useful people) with many kage level people at his disposal.
Tbh i think konan could've gotten stronger due to plot. Obito was stronger than her but she reacts to his kamui fast enough to scape being suck up just like Minato with FTG, her basic explosion rip off Obito's arm and would've kill him if he didin't suck way the rest of it. She fought the Aburame clan and was doing just fine. She's very underestimated bc she's "lost" to Jiraiya when he is the only shinobi who can counter her abilities perfecly besides Obito and Mei with her mist
@@gameuniverse5973 There's no indication that she expend 10 years just to make that jutsu, she only said that all of this time sitting idly by his side was the define factor to discover Kamui's weakness
Honestly it’s impressive that she held the whole Aburame clan occuppied, along with Hinata and Sakura before the village got destroyed. Konan is much more stronger than people think.
@@opticblastx Facts. Let's not forget that one of the reasons Jiraiya was so effective at countering her is because he literally taught Her, nagato, and Yahiko for years giving him an unfair intelligence advantage from the start.
it would be interesting to try and do some form of a gauntlet where the akatsuki would fight each platoon from weakest to strongest and see how far they would get.
If it was the Shinobi Alliance vs The Akatsuki + Tobi (Orange Mask) and White Zetsu Army, then how would that fight go? White Zetsu can heal and transform into copies that would need Naruto specifically to target. And this video went into how the Shinobi Alliance would go about fighting the Akatsuki, but not how the Akatsuki would work to dismantle the Shinobi Alliance. For example, Deva Path using Chibaku Tensei to pull the majority of the alliance to one location and having Deidara detonating C4 while everyone's trapped. And White Zetsu sapping chakra from various Shinobi in the Alliance and feeding all of it to Kisame to get him to Tailless Tailed Beast Levels. Itachi could also ignite 1 of Sasori's 100 puppets and then have that puppet spread it for all the other puppets and then use them to wipe out more troops. Obito can also just start using his teleportation and speed to get 1 drop of blood from the big players like the Gokage and feed them to Hidan so he can oneshot them with his curse.
Well Sasuke isn’t the only one with that combination remember ur talking about the beginning of The War Arc. Kakashi still has the Sharigan at that point & Chardri he’ll be able to see Dedara weakness to that jitsu as well he could definitely save himself but maybe save a few others as well
My biggest issue is that kcm1 Naruto can make atleast 12 super clones not only dose that outnumber the atakasuki but those clones are probably stronger than half the akatsuki with exceptions being itachi pain and maybe kisame could deal with them sasori dediera and kakazu are fast and strong but are they fast and strong enough to swap hands with kcm1 but that’s just can deal with kcm Naruto not even talking about war arc characters that are mentioned here I guess I could be convinced i forgot the fact that they are six paths of pain and yes they d share a field of vision however most got of the paths got outsmarted by sage Naruto regardless unless you think pain arc sage Naruto is equal stats to war arc kcm1 even the naraka path can break bring pains back to life the Rupert’s path also got one tap by sage Naruto and be brought back by naraka path
Those 12 super clones just wins. A much much much stronger version of itachi struggled to put down a weakened kcm1 naruto Imagine 12 of those dudes running around Chibaku tensei gets destroyed and everyone in the akatsuki dies
I think Deidara will be one of the most valuable assets as he’ll be very high in the air dropping clay bombs. When you consider how righteous Gaara is, if Gaara tries to save everyone he’ll get knocked unconscious if Deidara drops that ghost clay bomb thingy similarly to his earlier fight with Deidara. ALSO when you consider that he has to use all that sand to absorb the explosion, not only will he be exhausted but due to the insane amount of space the allied shinobi forces take up, some of that sand will inevitably drop upon and kill a great deal of Gaara’s own allies. Furthermore if for some reason this doesn’t work he can utilize those nano mini bombs. With the exception of Kakashi and the Hyūga clan no one will be able to see this and even if they could, escaping in time is impossible with all those people so Deidara is inevitably wiping out whole armies alone. Obito will just kamui everyone in to avoid friendly fire btw. In pain’s case he’ll simply use chaotic shinra tensei, Obito saving the Akatsuki as well prior. Instant gigantic chunk taken out of allied shinobi’s forces if not a great majority. These two characters alone are practically unstoppable given the circumstances. And let’s not forget about C-0 As for the other Akatsuki members I’m not so sure as their attacks aren’t that widescale. Yeah tho Deidara and Pain solos.
Sasori would also be extremely clutch here, especially if it’s in the desert area where Madara fought against the army. The iron sand would go nuts as it’s got poison on it and he has the 100 puppets he used. Deidara and Pain would probably do way more overall damage but Sasori would still carry his weight
Kakashi also had lighting release and a Sharingan. Sasuke us great value brand Kakashi 👏 I'm curious about how Neji would handle the fight. He might be able to disarm the bombs.
So, I think it is more important how their skills and Jutsu mesh. They have a god, Pain, the tactical leader, Itachi, a healer and chakra replenisher, Zetsu, and a number of tanks, Hidan, Kakazo, Kisame. Not to mention the others. Which all of them can do a good amount of damage. But if we just focus on the following set up, I don’t see how the Akatsuki would lose. I would set up Pain inside Itachi’s susano. Then use white Zetsu’s ability to draw chakra and feed it to Pain and Itachi. Keep Pain safe in the susano and he can resurrect anyone who might die.
The rest of The konoha 11 with KCM amps would be helpful in the fight as well. Even if they aren’t going blow for blow with the akasuki, they’d still do some damage
i rlly doubt zetsu can give as much chakra as they consume, itachi's abilities can consume all his chakra in minutes, not to say that Itachi's susano is not only limited by his chakra but also by the fact that Itachi doesn't have EMS so his susano is time limited anyway, not to say that Onoki can just dizintegrate them inside the susano and Gara can just pull them out of it, and kakasi, plus if they hit Itachi's susano from the back where he doesn't have the shield it would just break as Madara's susano did and they have a lot of heavy hitters like Tsunade, Guy, Raikage
Can BSM Naruto, sage EMS Sasuke, and Edo sage Hashirama defeat Juubito? No talk no jutsu here so Juubito's will is strong. Or can BSM Naruto and sage EMS Sasuke defeat 8 gates Guy? If Guy wins then throw alive sage Hashirama and EMS Madara (no Kyuubi) in to help Naruto and Sasuke
I feel like you're giving the 5 Kage too much credit (it's impossible to know how much Madara was going all out, for example), but yeah Bee and Naruto obviously swing this super hard.
Base Boruto(no karma or borushiki) vs hebi Sasuke(no manda)both have taken down jonin level oppenents and developed different versions of their signature moves
Bro forgot guy and kakashi was also in the war , with kakashi having good grip of kamui and guy with 7 gates , they will be able to defeat most of the akatsuki members , infact war arc kakashi could take on itachi 1v1 with mid - high diff , kamui hax >>> , guy will again beat kisame , and 8 gates guy solos all lol ..
that was a short video. anyway, here's a 100% accurate scaling chain: sage mode jiraiya < sage mode naruto < asuma < hidan < sasori < konan < itachi and kisame < base jiraiya < pain < kakuzu
War arc Kakashi takes out most then guy, bee,and kcm one Naruto mops the rest of the Akatsuki since there strongest member Obito not there the five Kage are not needed
i think it's a unwinnable situation for the akatsuki, the alliance has 1 guaranteed insta-win method, 1 possible insta-win method guaranteed insta-win: 8th gate guy. no logical people would think 8th gate guy wouldn't be able to just rip the akatsuki apart in 3 seconds possible insta-win: the 5 kage combo jutsu that almost screwed over suppressed madara. that particle release is so massive and fast, no one in the akatsuki should be able to survive it without serious damage (as suppressed madara, who can react to full speed ai, got half of his body erased) the only argument I can see is that maybe chaotic shinra tensei can cancel it out, but that's still questionable
I do think maybe pain can survive 8 gates guy. But that’s mostly because pain has the bodies, immortal summons and resurrection for the yahiko corpse to escape. It’s probably going to cost him most of the paths though. And pain himself knows how powerful guy is since he attacked when he knows guy was out.
The real problem with this scale and debate is that for the most part the Akatsuki were heavily nerfed plot wise for the sake of the show/mangas progression. Also the major fact that they all were suppressed in incountering their targets because incapacitating a jinchuriki let alone anyone is way harder than killing them. Pain would have straight up almost no diffed sage mode naruto who arguably scales above any of the individual 5 kage if it really came to it. Also the fact that edo itachi despite the increase in chakra was still not at full power/capability not being in able to use his IQ in an actual fight. There are too many factors that would make a just statistical and logical fight not work out. No one besides sasuke/kakashi or someone with insane speed would be able to counter half of deidaras abilities if he was really trying to kill them with C0 C3 or C4. Kakuzu in the war arc was a highly inaccurate showing of what we got to see in the Akatsuki suppression arc for the sake of getting the story moving along. Hidan stays the same. Kisame without the help of guy, no one would really stand a chance because the dude could straight up create a sea of chakra water style and absorb anything within it, let alone taking out killer B and reclaiming samehada would probably be his first objective if he wanted to fight a long fight. Sasori speaks for himself and everything you said is accurate. Fighting with 100 puppets, his own body and the 3rd kazekage is just overpowered. Konan with prep was able to force Obito to use reality manipulation to survive and who says there isn't prep going into the war? obito in this case whether he has the rinnegan jinchuriki to help him or not still took on naruto bee guy and Kakashi at the same time and is arguably stronger than pain (My opinion not). If itachi actually wasn't a double agent and really did harbour ill feelings towards the shinobi world and would take fighting the shinobi alliance seriously, then the only person that would be able to stop him really besides a coordinated effort (or 8 gates guy) is naruto because naruto early war arc scales to ems sasuke which has formally surpassed itachi. Combining the right people and the fact that not everyone is fighting at once would make for it really hard to decide an absolute winner. Deidera could wipe an entire battalion just himself with explosives and for the most part not all the 5 kage were fighting until madara came into the fray where the final 3 were only then teleported to the rest. It's too hard to tell for a 20 minute video. If you are adding six path tools and other plot relevant stuff then that would mean that kinkaku ginkaku plus all of the edos and kabuto would be added to the fight too. This fight is really up to shikamaru/his dad and Kakashi vs the brains of the Akatsuki: Pain, Itachi, Obito and Zetsu would have more info on the entire situation. In shikamaru and kakashis case if they know most of what the akatskis abilities are they could make efforts to counter each one. Keep in mind tho, after Pain used a ton of chakra to attack the leaf village with all of his paths, Do the legendary almighty push to destroy an entire village. then fought naruto and beat him while aiming to incapacitate and demoralize him. Then fight V6-8 nine tails (chibaku tensei etc) and pretty much win besides naruto getting minato to save him last minute. Then after that revived the entire leaf village using creation rebirth which was only a concern after using up so much chakra compared to it killing obito right after he revived madara. Pain also has too much chakra.
@@jasonmoukala8909 Sage mode naruto scales above the 4th raikage indefintely. Maybe onohki is relative or still more powerful. 4th raikage cant do much against sage mode naruto.
@@jasonmoukala8909 woah almost like you haven’t used any feats or evidence to actually say how and or why he can’t beat sage mode naruto. First off, the dude is dumb he sacrificed his arm to hit skeleton susanoo sasuke and barely did any damage before sasuke reveled a full clad susanoo with armor. Second Uzamakis I are stated to have the highest chakra reserves in the verse > uchiha and senjus. On top of that sage mode naruto in the figures acquires many times more nature energy then his regular reserves. His sage art rasen shuriken can take out the strongest in the verse as well. Safe to say it could take out his armor because sasuke pierced the 4ths armor with his chidori and Naruto’s normal rasengan is relative to that. Alright we got chakra and strength out of the way. Sage mode naruto speed feats includes taking down and reacting to the 3rd raikage whom is only a bit slower than the 4th yet way stronger. On top of that. The fuck is the 4th gonna do with all of his summonings? Ma and pas genjutsu? The 3 big ass toads that scale to low tailed beast levels each? What else do you want. At this point I can’t see how onoki and 4th raikage together can’t take down sage mode naruto.
This kinda feels like, “could Darth Sidious beat the clone army. No.” Numbers can overcome most opponents. If you throw enough men at someone, they’ll eventually get tired and die. Even Madara admitted that armies are important in wars, and we saw him slap one himself.
I’m confused on ur itachi vs pain stance in past streams u said itachi but this video u said pain scales above I guess doesn’t mean he beats him but I am curious and would love a video on it as it is a very debated topic
No it wouldn’t, the akatuski would lose easily ultimately. It’s fun to talk about in a video like this but they lose obviously and I haven’t even seen the video yet. The data books say kid naruto is faster then the 3rd Hokage… they should never be listened to. Akatuski members can’t fight 1000 solo at once.
Wait is this a real question? The akatsuki was defeated by almost 1 on 1 fights. You're seriously considering that the akastuki has a chance vs the entire shinobi alliance?
I have a fewproblems with your scaling for example you use Naruto warning Bee about Itachi's Mangekyou as proof that Tsukuyomi should even work on perfect Jinchuriki, but Naruto does not actually know that since he is not a perfect Jinchuriki at this time, you also use a statement where Sasuke is said to have surpassed Itachi the moment he gained the EMS as proof that itachi is above MS Sasuke, this is an extreme overstatement, surpassing Itachi with the EMS does not mean MS Sasuke was weaker than Itachi, for all we know that statement just means they were equal in power before Sasuke got the EMS.
This is is overkill 💀 SO6P naruto was already blitzing and overpowering the strongest version of kaguya ever with boil release Add dms and juubidara who is comparable to that naruto Yea kaguya is getting killed over and over again
@@justanothercommenterwithan9089 no The kaguya after zetsu unleashed her by using madara body is significantly stronger The kaguya before didn’t absorb the 10 tails and never absorbed all of the shinobi alliance chakra
@@Zeno1781 kaguya was the tentails she already had that chakra and the kaguya that naruto fought was missing half of kurama's chakra unlike the when she fought hagoromo
@@gameuniverse5973 No, first of its anime only and you know based on databook that the first heart destroyed is a turtle wich means water release. If you want to base on anime only, even after the first heart destroyed he uses his earth release = it makes no sense since in the anime he uses them both
Ok, so the Akatsuki get no Obito. I am very interested to see how Six will amp up the Akatsuki to make this fight interesting, cause if the combined power levels of the two groups are in the same ballpark, then this is going to be an amazing video
Without Naruto and B, most of the Allied Shinobi Forces would likely be wiped out by the One-Tail through the Seven-Tails as a team, who can launch Tailed Beast Balls. This probably contributed to Obito's confidence in winning the war before Kabuto joined the party.
Sharingan and lightning style is a rare combination that only sasuke has? Bruh do u not remember who taught sasuke how to chidori?! Off to a bad start with this 1 lmao.
You could give the Akatsuki orange mask Obito and they still get smacked up. The team that fought Rinnegan Obito can probably beat the whole Akatsuki on their own, adding in the Kage, Sakura, Choji, Darui, and so many other crazy strong shinobi is just overkill.
@Jon Miller the only chance the akatsuki has is if Itachi uses kotoamatsukami.... but even then..... the akatsuki should stand a chance. It should be -130% chance the akatsuki win
Then you give him onoki, kcm naruto, killer bee, and might guy! Do you even need anyone else??? But there’s also gaara! Who could also solo most of the akatsuki here.... I don’t even see why this is a conversation lol
This video only scales Names to Names. Can anyone give me the Powerscaling-Terminology - stuff like Wall-Level, Country-Level, Planet-Level and such and also the Joules? !
I think Gaara would be the perfect hard counter to Conan, there's literally nothing she can do against him. I would have said the same for Gaara vs Deidara if it weren't for the hax microscopic bombs that came out of nowhere. I think Kisame's fight would be much harder if it hapoens near water.
IMO the most devastating members are the mid tiers Deidara, Konan, kakuzu, sasori All have MASSIVE AOE attacks that would wipe hundreds of shinobi per attack especially kakuzus masks
Not really fair, its like asking if thr justice league could beat an army of 50+ superheros who arent fodder, and with the mc in the group whos stupid op in his own right,
If they fight Kisame where the alliance fought Kin and Gin, Kisame might just be able to flush out all the fodder into the sea with one attack and then dominate the akimichi duo, Darui, Temari, Shikamaru, Ino, etc.
I think the “1000 men at once” is an EXTREME exaggeration for like the lower third of the Akatsuki. Regardless of that I don’t think you can really take that statement at face value. It’s a sentence made to hype up the members.
And the fact that the only reason naruto could even contend with the 9 tails without it just bursting out is 1) minato powerful sealing jutsu. His jutsu being so powerful that kushina was like, you could easily seal the 9 tails back within me so why aren’t you? Minato is like plot demands i die so I must 2) naruto is an uzumaki. Aka the best candidates for jinjuriki because of their large reserves of chakra and other stuff
Thanks for watching :)
Wtf is this topic 🤣
Six keeps saying “sannin-level”..... that doesn’t make any sense! That’s like saying “akatsuki-level” to imply hidan and pain are equals..... Jiraiya and orochimaru are NOT equals.... orochimaru got WWAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY stronger after the hanzo encounter! Which makes sense because orochimaru became “immortal”! So orochimaru doesn’t have to worry about becoming slower and physically weaker due to old age like Jiraiya does. And orochimaru spent his time grinding, learning all kinds of jutsu while Jiraiya pretty much retired to write porn books after the hanzo fight! That’s why orochimaru killed the kazekage and hokage in the same week. Jiraiya has no feat that’s as impressive as this! This is also why orochimaru did better against V2 naruto than Jiraiya did...... six, please stop taking orochimaru’s feats and accomplishments and giving them to Jiraiya..... they are not equal.... they’re not even close! Jiraiya would not be able to replicate what orochimaru has done, just because they’re both called “sannin”.... that’s like saying a “laker” coming off the bench is “equal” to Lebron James, just because they both play for the Lakers.... that’s not how it works dude......
@@GodlyShinobi Felt good liking your own comment huh? I say Sannin level because there is a general agreed upon level the community puts the Sannin at and it helps people better understand the video if I word it that way. Move on & stop dick eating in my comments all the time get a hobby or sumn.
@@sixfromtokyo lmao, no! Get better at your job! Lol
kakazu is higher than people think along with sassori, your scaling for kisame is good, itachi good, pain ok and konon ok. overall the video is ok and I think you should get rid of the hole tiering systum because there isn't a exact list of things people can do to be a 'KAGE' level opponent or a 'high level joinin' it isn't as simple as dragonball were you can measure every charter off of say goku or vegeta at certain points.
overall the list of the akaski is such (this is them as they would be at full power so I am giving itachi edo itachi's phiscal stats, orochimaru at the beginning of shippuden). this list is based on speed mainly because if you can't hit a person your kinda dead and then I wen't off there ablitys, example of this being the case is when rock lee fought sasske an sasske wasn't fast enough to block his punch an got combed on.
1-obito (faster than both Gai, naruto and kakashi an it took a major plan to beat him)
2-itachi (briefly fights killer bee and KCM naruto anfights alongside them)
3-kakazu (fought yugito who scales around killer bee's speed an no her speed was not amped it was her speed. its the reason why I gave the lee vs sasske example because so long as your faster an you have hax like when obito fought naruto your hax out weighs how fast they are but scene yugito landed a attack on bee and bee landed a attack on her that puts the speed scaling there an the two tails in her also scratched Naruto's back Side with one of her paws)
4-orochimaru (said to be stronger than EMS sasske by suigetsu a pretty good source for orochimaru)
5-kisame (fighting agents killer bee)
light speed an below, everyone above is faster than light
6-sassori (scaling off of his puppets during the kage summit when konkuro shot kuni out that trailed right along side garra's sand, dare's laser circus and temari's wind an later was stated to be holding back agents konkuro)
7-dedira (matched with onoki in flight speed and doged a attack in )
8-pain (as a full group, its shown that the group is at its weakest as they only stood a chance agents sage mode naruto with deva path. there are no real speed feats for the pains when they are a group)
9-konon (her attacks barly hit jirya and could't doge his toad oil in time)
10-hidan (self admitted the slowist)
overall the akaski gets far but getting rid of obito an orochimrau makes it much harder so I would say that they would lose mainly because of the 5 kage being so dam strong. overall the alliance is just filled with to many strong people like Gai, ay, Mei, onoki, garra, naruto, bee, kakashi and choji who boxed up the getto statue.
When you consider that most of the Akatsuki were beaten by members of the shinobi alliance it becomes a no brainer
Yeah, those individuals were at least high tier jonin and the main side characters. Against even hidan, most of the shinobi alliance would be obliterated. Does nobody remember the alliance doesn't consist of naruto, bee, kakashi, guy, or any of just konoha 11? It also consisted of background fodder ninja.
@@lapplandkun9273 Kakashi and Guy are literally core members of the Shinobi Alliance. Not to mention that Kakashi knows damn near everything about all the Akatsuki members, and is much stronger than the last time he fought the Akatsuki. He can literally oneshot the worst members with Kamui. Add 8th Gate Guy and the Five Kage fusion technique, something that Madara used the Perfect Susan'o against, who's surviving that.
@Lappland Kun firstly most akatduki would've lost to fodder just from exgaustion
I mean itachi if he ever needs to use mangekyou will lose in less then 5 mins
They would cause dmg
But most akatsuki also lost while being in edo
ONG! Half the ninja war was beating revived members of the Akatsuki without the full 80,000 man forces
@@lapplandkun9273Dude kakashi is literally one of the leader of alliance. Not to mention five kage are the one that formed the alliance.
The guy that fought off Madara with a sword for 2 seconds would solo the Akatsuki.
No
War arc Temari would also solo the Akatsuki because she blew away Madara a good distance away
@Jon Miller
Oh yeah she can blow anything and everything in the whole universe
Exactly
@@kodoqbesar4301 Is that how shikadai was born?
The 40 k shinobis are not just useless numbers, they are well coordinated fire power which scales to some Madara's level ninjutsu.
In the second scenerio we have: Kakashi, Mifune, Sakura, Rock lee, Might Guy, Temari, Kankuro with Sasori's puppet, Choji, Shikamaru.
Darui, Kurotsuchi, Chojuro, Ao, Hinata with twin lion fist, Hiashi, Kitsuchi and planty no name shinoby whos water style challenged Madaras .
I think they can take the akatsuki. + you can make an argument about that Lee blitzed Madara so he can do that to Deva path/Tobi.
Idk, if the Kage + Jinchuriki Duo are removed, the Akatsuki might get it worse. Kakashi’s usage of Kamui in the war arc makes him a massive threat to those who are focused on the absolute *problem* that is 8th Gate Guy.
You say that as if Kakashi has unlimited chakra and can spam Kamui without any detriment to his health.
@@koti6158 he pretty could before Naruto gave him Charkra is when the alliance showed up you had Kakashi confident he can kamui the giant tailed beast bomb from Obito path of pains
@@koti6158 He has a minimum of 5 shots of Kamui meaning he could take out 5/6 of the paths of Pain if he needed too(WA Kakashi wouldn't need Kamui to defeat Pain) or given that Kakashi knows how Pain works he could take out the Naraka path & The Deva Path meaning Pain's heavy hitting body has been taken out then he can take out Itachi with Kamui(mind you Kakashi's speed with Kamui is ridiculous in the WA so No Akatsuki member should be able to dodge it) then Kisame then the next strongest Member(Whoever you think that is) leaving only the Weaker Akatsuki members to KCM Naruto
@@koti6158 He certainly showed a lot of that ability. Also this is such hypocrisy, since you pro-Akatsuki guys think itachi is a factor while ignoring his much more crippling health and chakra problems.
Then remove both of them.
The best part is you never even mentioned Kakashi, Guy, Tenten with the Six Paths tools, Shikamaru's ability to strategize, Sakura with her Byakugou seal, or any massive combination jutsu from the allied forces (that were strong enough to hinder the ten tails, mind you). All are big factors that give the allied shinobi forces major chances for a W.
Oh I forgot Kakashi who runs out of chakra and becomes half dead after using Kamui once, and Guy who LITERALLY dies after using 8 gates. Double yikes.
@@koti6158 guy doesn’t even need 8 gates unless he’s fighting obito, maybe. And kakashi was spamming kamui in the war😂
@@koti6158 you mean guy w eights who would blitz all the Akatsuki before they even blink?
@@koti6158 also I’m pretty sure kakashi used kamui in multiple instances in the war so, you may want go reread.
@@Jsipki265 Meh, what's your definition of multiple? 5? Lol seems legit
I have a question. Can Pain/Nagato control the Juubi? Or can Nagato become the Ten Tails Jinchuriki? How powerful would a hypothetical Juubi Jinchuriki Nagato be?
Probably slightly stronger than Jubito, I’d give it to Jubito if he was able to use Kamui in his Jinchuriki state like Jubidara when he snatched Kakashi’s eye.
thats wtf kamui is he couldnt use either version tf you talking about?
Probably weaker than Juubito and on par with Edo Madara/Edo Hashirama
Considering Obito is just superior to nagato in every way and his mind was torn apart by the 10 tails the exact same thing would happen here. Except of course nagato would die he loses the 10 tails.
@@Youngsickbacchus its actually hard to saying being that nagato is en Uzumaki who are known for incredible Chakra reserves and life force. There was a reason nagato. Could use 2 rinnegans and obito could only use one. might be able to handle it better than obito honestly.
A more interesting discussion would be every akatsuki member including orochimaru,team taka ,prime nagato and óbito vs the alliance
Hell nah Obito carries hard
Obito was basically winning by himself.
@@janedoe4929 Obito already got defeated by the alliance with Madara somewhat helping him,and that was juubito so normal Obito would never win by himself
@@Twix44 yeah that was with reanimated hokage and boosted naruto and sasuke. We are talking about fresh kcm 1 naruto and stuff. Early war arc
When do you think prime nagato is
this man is underrating kakazu so hard. He can easily take out pain with his raw durability
facts
Same durability that couldn't handle 1 incomplete rasenshuriken or multiple chidori & raikiri??
@@itsmiangelo it’s a joke that someone said when they were debating pain vs kakazu
@@itsmiangelo not necessarily
@@silverhetch3383not necessarily
"The Alliance" also includes Guy. Who can use the Gate of Death.......... Yeah the Akatsuki probably ain't winning chief
thank you this migga gai is broken with that🤣 its one pf the only things thatll break a shinra tensai at least
Guy hirodura takes out literally most of the Akatsuki in one shot
naruto can amp him as well
yea. they dont have a chance. gai solo's all of them.
@@gameuniverse5973 that's assuming they'd just let him power up, and let him open the gates
What we been waiting for
Akatsuki vs the 5 kage + Bee and Naruto is close I think, +40k ninja is just a mismatch, even if they are all fodder (which they arn't, there are some other powerhouses in the group), then can keep the pressure up to let the important fighters heal and plan.
i think what people forget about KCM naruto in particular is that when he fought Itachi and Nagato he was very low on stamina and was basically incapable of using clones, he was fighting on all fronts at once after all.
Nah just the team that fought Rinnegan Obito enough the other members of the Shinobi alliance and five Kage are overkill
Let’s get this straight
The akatsuki would disgrace the 5 kage on their own
Adding in guy kakashi naruto and bee would make it even
Before the 40k shinobi can become a hindrance they’d have killed some of the kage and possibly bee
And nagato can just repair anyone near death with the hell king good as new while obito and itachi cover him and then to obliterate the 40k shinobi with chaotic shinra tensei leaving only
Kcm1.5 naruto, 7th gate guy, war arc kakashi, and bee
Only 2 of those characters scale slightly above nagato
Being guy and naruto (nagato already folded bee and just 2 pains folded kakashi)
So we have obito/itachi/nagato/kisame + the remaining akatsuki members
Vs fatigued naruto, guy kakashi and bee
Akatsuki take it high diff
@@ajayimoses2495 Obito not included the Akatsuki gets washed hard
If you remove Naruto,
and add Team Taka and Prime Itachi and Orochimaru, then its debatable. KCM Sage Mode Naruto is too OP.
@@gameuniverse5973 I think if pain had pulled up to submit instead of Sasuke he could have killed the kage but that's just me
Love your videos Six, like always
But please raise the volume of your mic
I had to put my phone at max and when I switched apps I got earraped
😂😂i feel sorry for your ears now
“Obito doesn’t have the most durability feats” what
Obito tanked a rasengan to the face then got kakashi to chidori through his HEART and then got juubi extracted .Highest level of durability in my opinion😂
I was just about to comment that
Yeah this guy says a lot of things that are off
Obito probably has some of the best durability feats ever
@@Ayushmanz right behind kakazu in terms of raw durability
Ok, thanks to the 3rd databook, I finally know what Hidan's minimum power ceiling is: a thousand men at once. Now, I know it's a thousand fodder, but to my knowledge, Hidan doesn't have many large scale attacks, so it'd be interesting to see how he'd fight. I wonder if he'd just blitz 999 of them and then Jashin-end the last guy for giggles
(I haven't watched past the 2 minute mark of this video yet, so I don't know if Six will talk about how Hidan will deal with the sheer numbers of Shinobi alliance, if he needs to at all)
Except if one of them is like choji or Shikimaru he getting drop kicked
I don't think Hidan can beat a thousand Shinobi. 5 or 6 paper grenades can take him out and even the most basic shinobi can use those. Not to mention a single decapitation would take him out of the fight. He can beat people on that level though, he's just not built for fighting against large numbers.
@@OK-yy6qz I can see that, but I aint gonna argue with the 3rd databook lol. I'm kinda wrote all this since I've always viewed Hidan as trash, so I'm trying my hardest to hype him up as much as possible. I dunno, maybe Hidan can intimidate his opponents into not thinking rationally or maybe he's just unbelievably faster than the average shinobi (he can a thousand shinobi not necessarily a thousand jonin lol) I'm grasping at straws here trying to rationalize the 3rd databook statement Six mentioned in the vid XD
@@jayd.doubledubs im just going to say it was an expression and leave it at that. I believe it was Hiddan that actually defeated the 2 Tails which i definitely can see defeating a thousand Shinobi. So he's at that level just not fit for fighting against entire armies of opponents
you gotta love these group A vs group B videos where the uploader actually meant 1/4th of group A vs group B at a time
Anyone that thinks that this version of the akatsuki whould beat the 5 kage, naruto,bee, mifune, darui, all of the other kage guards, all the elite jonin in the alliance, war arc sakura, war arc kakashi and guy , and on top of that the other 40000 shinobi just doesnt understand basic naruto scaling
No version of the akatsuki beats them
@@jadynestrada4452 facts. I think the only people they have to worry about is Itachi, Obito & Kisame. I don’t think those 3 can take on all kage (assuming they can keep eachother alive) + top ninja from every nation + fodder reinforcements.
@@YcMdattGUY pain also?
@@AXELnara22 tbh the fact that konohamaru took 1 out makes me think that any 2-3 man squa can take out each pain and thn they would need a little assistance taking out the yahiko pain. i sure they can ull it off.
Sakura ain’t doing nothing to any of them except hidan and kakazu maybe
This was a good analysis,as one could expect from you :)
Started to think about the Alliance having so many people (40k is so so much) but then I realized like half the Akatsuki are specialized in AoE (Sasori and Deidra came first to mind but Pain,Kakuzu and Kisame come to mind. Also Susano'o and Paper Mines if possible :D)
(I'm not saying Six is wrong,I wanted to share this idea about the big army being no-diffed :) )
They destroy the akatsuki imo. Sage of six paths naruto at the end of the war and rinnegan sasuke could probably take on most of them at once
Sasori alone was stated to be able to defeat a country. We can just leave the foot-soliders out of the discussion...
Interesting idea for a video would be who would win if you split the War arc into 4 groups. (Shinobi alliance with KCM Naruto and Bee), (Obito, Madara, GuruGuru Yamato and the Bijuu), (Taka and the Edo hokage), and (Kabuto and his Edo Tensei). I think its decently balanced frfr and its hard to decide on a real winner.
Obito,Madara,and guru guru Yamato group solo all of them at the same time hell gg Yamato was doing that to the Shinobi alliance with the five Kage
Madara with a perfect susanoo kills everyone Except hashirama
In which obito finishes the job until minato arrives which
Yamato actually then ends before hiruzen ends it
Wow nvm this might actually be a close fight
Now that I think about it
Taka team with orochimaru edo just win 💀
@@gameuniverse5973 the edo hogake beat down everyone
Obito gets murdered by minato in 3 seconds
Madara loses to hashirama and sealed
Hiruzen puts down Yamato or kills him
You now got the edo kages vs naruto, bee and the shinobi alliance
It’s not going well for them that’s all I gotta say
@@gameuniverse5973 gotta look at context. GuruGuru fought a tired and weakened alliance fresh off of getting their backs blown out by madara and obito. A fresh Taka came in and did a speed run on him. If the Shinobu alliance starts off with KCM 2 naruto, 7th gate guy, byakugou Sakura etc they're a whole different beast. Also I feel like Kabuto gets underrated a lot, he has at least 6 kage+ level people with him and he's at least that level as well.
@@Zeno1781 I don't think it's that easy. With the exception of Kabutos group the top 2 for each side is relatively even, and kabutos group balances out with numbers. Madara & Obito, Hashirama & Minato, and KCM 2 Naruto and 7th gate Guy. The next tier is pretty even as well with (War arc Kakashi Bee Sakura and 6th Gate Lee), (EMS Sasuke, Tobirama, Hiruzen, and Oro), the 6 edo bijuu with GuruGuru, and (kabuto, nagato, itachi, the edo kage, kin gin brothers etc). Each group is balanced well. The Shinobi alliance has true balance top to bottom, the Edo Hokage are a concentrated group but lacks numbers, obitos group is similarly top heavy but have better ways to deal with numbers, and kabutos group has a sheer numbers advantage (in terms of useful people) with many kage level people at his disposal.
22:50, are we counting Gai? Cuz what if Gai goes 8th Gate? Akatsuki done for.
then remove him
Tbh i think konan could've gotten stronger due to plot. Obito was stronger than her but she reacts to his kamui fast enough to scape being suck up just like Minato with FTG, her basic explosion rip off Obito's arm and would've kill him if he didin't suck way the rest of it. She fought the Aburame clan and was doing just fine. She's very underestimated bc she's "lost" to Jiraiya when he is the only shinobi who can counter her abilities perfecly besides Obito and Mei with her mist
Nah Konan not one to train she was busy ten years making all those paper bombs
@@gameuniverse5973 There's no indication that she expend 10 years just to make that jutsu, she only said that all of this time sitting idly by his side was the define factor to discover Kamui's weakness
Honestly it’s impressive that she held the whole Aburame clan occuppied, along with Hinata and Sakura before the village got destroyed. Konan is much more stronger than people think.
@@gameuniverse5973 who said it was 10 years
@@opticblastx Facts. Let's not forget that one of the reasons Jiraiya was so effective at countering her is because he literally taught Her, nagato, and Yahiko for years giving him an unfair intelligence advantage from the start.
Intangible Totsuka Blade is an unbeatable combo. No literally, it's unbeatable.
it would be interesting to try and do some form of a gauntlet where the akatsuki would fight each platoon from weakest to strongest and see how far they would get.
They stop at Kakashi and guy platoon or Onoki with Gaara Platoon
YESSIR SIX UPLOADED
If it was the Shinobi Alliance vs The Akatsuki + Tobi (Orange Mask) and White Zetsu Army, then how would that fight go? White Zetsu can heal and transform into copies that would need Naruto specifically to target.
And this video went into how the Shinobi Alliance would go about fighting the Akatsuki, but not how the Akatsuki would work to dismantle the Shinobi Alliance.
For example, Deva Path using Chibaku Tensei to pull the majority of the alliance to one location and having Deidara detonating C4 while everyone's trapped.
And White Zetsu sapping chakra from various Shinobi in the Alliance and feeding all of it to Kisame to get him to Tailless Tailed Beast Levels.
Itachi could also ignite 1 of Sasori's 100 puppets and then have that puppet spread it for all the other puppets and then use them to wipe out more troops.
Obito can also just start using his teleportation and speed to get 1 drop of blood from the big players like the Gokage and feed them to Hidan so he can oneshot them with his curse.
4:40 Kakashi is one of the generals of the enemy team, seems worth a mention
yessir six blessing us with more mid💯💯💯💯💯🔥
bro hates on sixes every video💀
Well Sasuke isn’t the only one with that combination remember ur talking about the beginning of The War Arc. Kakashi still has the Sharigan at that point & Chardri he’ll be able to see Dedara weakness to that jitsu as well he could definitely save himself but maybe save a few others as well
My biggest issue is that kcm1 Naruto can make atleast 12 super clones not only dose that outnumber the atakasuki but those clones are probably stronger than half the akatsuki with exceptions being itachi pain and maybe kisame could deal with them sasori dediera and kakazu are fast and strong but are they fast and strong enough to swap hands with kcm1 but that’s just can deal with kcm Naruto not even talking about war arc characters that are mentioned here I guess I could be convinced i forgot the fact that they are six paths of pain and yes they d share a field of vision however most got of the paths got outsmarted by sage Naruto regardless unless you think pain arc sage Naruto is equal stats to war arc kcm1 even the naraka path can break bring pains back to life the Rupert’s path also got one tap by sage Naruto and be brought back by naraka path
War arc Kakashi literally kills most of them in his own then bee,kcm one Naruto,and guy cleans up the rest
Those 12 super clones just wins.
A much much much stronger version of itachi struggled to put down a weakened kcm1 naruto
Imagine 12 of those dudes running around
Chibaku tensei gets destroyed and everyone in the akatsuki dies
Yall really just say anything 🤣
Kisame lost to 7th gate guy, Naruto clones would fold him
Kcm1 Naruto gets clapped by Itachi's genjutsu
Some of the best Naruto content ever o/
I think Deidara will be one of the most valuable assets as he’ll be very high in the air dropping clay bombs. When you consider how righteous Gaara is, if Gaara tries to save everyone he’ll get knocked unconscious if Deidara drops that ghost clay bomb thingy similarly to his earlier fight with Deidara. ALSO when you consider that he has to use all that sand to absorb the explosion, not only will he be exhausted but due to the insane amount of space the allied shinobi forces take up, some of that sand will inevitably drop upon and kill a great deal of Gaara’s own allies. Furthermore if for some reason this doesn’t work he can utilize those nano mini bombs. With the exception of Kakashi and the Hyūga clan no one will be able to see this and even if they could, escaping in time is impossible with all those people so Deidara is inevitably wiping out whole armies alone. Obito will just kamui everyone in to avoid friendly fire btw.
In pain’s case he’ll simply use chaotic shinra tensei, Obito saving the Akatsuki as well prior. Instant gigantic chunk taken out of allied shinobi’s forces if not a great majority. These two characters alone are practically unstoppable given the circumstances. And let’s not forget about C-0
As for the other Akatsuki members I’m not so sure as their attacks aren’t that widescale. Yeah tho Deidara and Pain solos.
Sasori would also be extremely clutch here, especially if it’s in the desert area where Madara fought against the army. The iron sand would go nuts as it’s got poison on it and he has the 100 puppets he used. Deidara and Pain would probably do way more overall damage but Sasori would still carry his weight
That's a good concept
09:00 As far as I know, you are wrong here, Kakashi destroyed the "Water Style" Heart/Mask, as we see in the next panels
I like your videos but unless I’m somewhere with cineplexes silence i can not hear you.
Kakashi also had lighting release and a Sharingan. Sasuke us great value brand Kakashi 👏 I'm curious about how Neji would handle the fight. He might be able to disarm the bombs.
Neji might just air palm Deidara out of the sky
@@gameuniverse5973 air palm doesn't have the range
@@Sweetlesishere dint they hit wooden spikes out of the air
Bro lost against a clone of a 30% Kisame Clone wdym💀
What a clown lmao 🤣
Leaving out kakashi ? The things he did during the war was wild asl
So, I think it is more important how their skills and Jutsu mesh. They have a god, Pain, the tactical leader, Itachi, a healer and chakra replenisher, Zetsu, and a number of tanks, Hidan, Kakazo, Kisame. Not to mention the others. Which all of them can do a good amount of damage.
But if we just focus on the following set up, I don’t see how the Akatsuki would lose. I would set up Pain inside Itachi’s susano. Then use white Zetsu’s ability to draw chakra and feed it to Pain and Itachi. Keep Pain safe in the susano and he can resurrect anyone who might die.
War arc Kakashi kills most of them and Itachi dies from ninja cancer in like five minutes
Lmfao kakashi just negs your plan huh?
If the 5 kage can get past Madaras susanoo i promise you they’ll get into itachis
The rest of The konoha 11 with KCM amps would be helpful in the fight as well. Even if they aren’t going blow for blow with the akasuki, they’d still do some damage
i rlly doubt zetsu can give as much chakra as they consume, itachi's abilities can consume all his chakra in minutes, not to say that Itachi's susano is not only limited by his chakra but also by the fact that Itachi doesn't have EMS so his susano is time limited anyway, not to say that Onoki can just dizintegrate them inside the susano and Gara can just pull them out of it, and kakasi, plus if they hit Itachi's susano from the back where he doesn't have the shield it would just break as Madara's susano did and they have a lot of heavy hitters like Tsunade, Guy, Raikage
A ranking of the strongest known missing-ninja would be cool.
Can BSM Naruto, sage EMS Sasuke, and Edo sage Hashirama defeat Juubito? No talk no jutsu here so Juubito's will is strong.
Or can BSM Naruto and sage EMS Sasuke defeat 8 gates Guy? If Guy wins then throw alive sage Hashirama and EMS Madara (no Kyuubi) in to help Naruto and Sasuke
No, and god no lol wtf
Hell no if Juubito is fully serious and eight gate guy sekizo probably kills that Sasuke with Naruto
If you give obito the ten tails it makes sense to give naruto and sasuke their six paths amps. Hell maybe even kakashi.
No and no
Juubito and gai just bullied them
guy wins and juubito wins
I've never seen a single episode of Naruto in my life I just be watching this shit
I feel like you're giving the 5 Kage too much credit (it's impossible to know how much Madara was going all out, for example), but yeah Bee and Naruto obviously swing this super hard.
The ending cutting off half a second early killes me
Base Boruto(no karma or borushiki) vs hebi Sasuke(no manda)both have taken down jonin level oppenents and developed different versions of their signature moves
In all honestly they are probably relative ( because you know, powercliffing and all that bullshit), but hebi Sasuke is WAAAAYYY more impressive
@@CJ-SA boruto powerscaling is broken.
12:35 Tobi has arm guards, that's why he can block Suigetsu's sword swing
He got rid of those he only has the cloak
Bro forgot guy and kakashi was also in the war , with kakashi having good grip of kamui and guy with 7 gates , they will be able to defeat most of the akatsuki members , infact war arc kakashi could take on itachi 1v1 with mid - high diff , kamui hax >>> , guy will again beat kisame , and 8 gates guy solos all lol ..
Kakashi having a good grip on kamui is plot armor. Kakashi stated that he was losing sight of his sharingan after multiple usage.
@@lapplandkun9273 Towards the end of the War arc after 18 uses of Kamui
@@lapplandkun9273because he was literally spamming it, along with other Justus like multiple uses of chidori.
13:26 i dont think its a rain jutsu, pain probably creates a shield around the city so the rain stops
Read Naruto data book 3, it's stated to be a jutsu
@@Rck-vert ok but does that mean pain has water style jutsus? or just one
@@crimsonhunter7598 it's unclear how much water jutsu he knows but, he can use all nature transformation (fire, wind, water etc)
@@Rck-vert really? all? i only remember gale style palm or whatever the name was
that was a short video. anyway, here's a 100% accurate scaling chain:
sage mode jiraiya < sage mode naruto < asuma < hidan < sasori < konan < itachi and kisame < base jiraiya < pain < kakuzu
This is the worst chain I’ve ever seen
Smartest noodles fan
You forgot the Base Jiraiya > Itachi and Kisame at the same time
@@akarilight6331 thanks for reminding me lol
@@akarilight6331 You do realize that Itachi can do what he did to Orochimaru or point his finger at him and put him in a subtle genjutsu
Every time i see something like this it upsets me how hard Kabuto, and Obito fumbled the war with Deidara on their roster.
Allied shinobi forces: we are 80k
Konan: i got 600,000,000,000 paper bombs, that's 7,500,000 for each of you
Cool killer bee Bijuu bombs Konan out of existence
@@gameuniverse5973 she just reform with paper as long as she got chakra left
Hey side note for Kakazu. That man tried to kill Hashirama and lived 😂 idk if Hashirama laughed in his face or beat him down. But i mean, Hashirama 😂
War arc Kakashi takes out most then guy, bee,and kcm one Naruto mops the rest of the Akatsuki since there strongest member Obito not there the five Kage are not needed
Cool video do 8 Gates Guy vs Akatsuki Video Please six🙏
i think it's a unwinnable situation for the akatsuki, the alliance has 1 guaranteed insta-win method, 1 possible insta-win method
guaranteed insta-win: 8th gate guy. no logical people would think 8th gate guy wouldn't be able to just rip the akatsuki apart in 3 seconds
possible insta-win: the 5 kage combo jutsu that almost screwed over suppressed madara. that particle release is so massive and fast, no one in the akatsuki should be able to survive it without serious damage (as suppressed madara, who can react to full speed ai, got half of his body erased) the only argument I can see is that maybe chaotic shinra tensei can cancel it out, but that's still questionable
then remove the edo kages and guy. What is the point of the shinobi alliance if they're just there to watch and be fodder?
@@lapplandkun9273 none of the kages are edo, what are you talking about
I do think maybe pain can survive 8 gates guy. But that’s mostly because pain has the bodies, immortal summons and resurrection for the yahiko corpse to escape. It’s probably going to cost him most of the paths though. And pain himself knows how powerful guy is since he attacked when he knows guy was out.
Deidara c3 and c4 spam is packing most of the alliance ngl😭 then u add in kisames water bubble etc and I think they'll be fine with their matchups
8th gate guy would stomp most of the Akatsuki solo
he would only lose to obito maybe pain and madara
@@overhead0294 nah he shits on pain and obito under 5 seconds
@@abolii exactly he beats out everyone exept jubidara
@@overhead0294pain gets bodied 😂
I guess having Biju level durability and AP isn’t a feat lmao also didn’t bring up the yugito speed scaling
He doesn't. Tanking a bijuu bomb in anime filler is irrelevant, and he CAN'T be scaled to KCM Naruto in speed. That's nonsense.
The real problem with this scale and debate is that for the most part the Akatsuki were heavily nerfed plot wise for the sake of the show/mangas progression. Also the major fact that they all were suppressed in incountering their targets because incapacitating a jinchuriki let alone anyone is way harder than killing them. Pain would have straight up almost no diffed sage mode naruto who arguably scales above any of the individual 5 kage if it really came to it. Also the fact that edo itachi despite the increase in chakra was still not at full power/capability not being in able to use his IQ in an actual fight. There are too many factors that would make a just statistical and logical fight not work out. No one besides sasuke/kakashi or someone with insane speed would be able to counter half of deidaras abilities if he was really trying to kill them with C0 C3 or C4. Kakuzu in the war arc was a highly inaccurate showing of what we got to see in the Akatsuki suppression arc for the sake of getting the story moving along. Hidan stays the same. Kisame without the help of guy, no one would really stand a chance because the dude could straight up create a sea of chakra water style and absorb anything within it, let alone taking out killer B and reclaiming samehada would probably be his first objective if he wanted to fight a long fight. Sasori speaks for himself and everything you said is accurate. Fighting with 100 puppets, his own body and the 3rd kazekage is just overpowered. Konan with prep was able to force Obito to use reality manipulation to survive and who says there isn't prep going into the war? obito in this case whether he has the rinnegan jinchuriki to help him or not still took on naruto bee guy and Kakashi at the same time and is arguably stronger than pain (My opinion not). If itachi actually wasn't a double agent and really did harbour ill feelings towards the shinobi world and would take fighting the shinobi alliance seriously, then the only person that would be able to stop him really besides a coordinated effort (or 8 gates guy) is naruto because naruto early war arc scales to ems sasuke which has formally surpassed itachi. Combining the right people and the fact that not everyone is fighting at once would make for it really hard to decide an absolute winner. Deidera could wipe an entire battalion just himself with explosives and for the most part not all the 5 kage were fighting until madara came into the fray where the final 3 were only then teleported to the rest. It's too hard to tell for a 20 minute video. If you are adding six path tools and other plot relevant stuff then that would mean that kinkaku ginkaku plus all of the edos and kabuto would be added to the fight too. This fight is really up to shikamaru/his dad and Kakashi vs the brains of the Akatsuki: Pain, Itachi, Obito and Zetsu would have more info on the entire situation. In shikamaru and kakashis case if they know most of what the akatskis abilities are they could make efforts to counter each one. Keep in mind tho, after Pain used a ton of chakra to attack the leaf village with all of his paths, Do the legendary almighty push to destroy an entire village. then fought naruto and beat him while aiming to incapacitate and demoralize him. Then fight V6-8 nine tails (chibaku tensei etc) and pretty much win besides naruto getting minato to save him last minute. Then after that revived the entire leaf village using creation rebirth which was only a concern after using up so much chakra compared to it killing obito right after he revived madara. Pain also has too much chakra.
Kcm2 naruto scales to ems Sasuke, not kcm. But most of ur other points r spot on
Sage mode naruto doesn’t scale above ohnoki or 4th raikage
@@jasonmoukala8909 Sage mode naruto scales above the 4th raikage indefintely. Maybe onohki is relative or still more powerful. 4th raikage cant do much against sage mode naruto.
@@SkiddyOcean117 um yes he can. 4th raikage is stated to be at tailed beast levels of chakra. 4th raikage can beat him
@@jasonmoukala8909 woah almost like you haven’t used any feats or evidence to actually say how and or why he can’t beat sage mode naruto. First off, the dude is dumb he sacrificed his arm to hit skeleton susanoo sasuke and barely did any damage before sasuke reveled a full clad susanoo with armor. Second Uzamakis I are stated to have the highest chakra reserves in the verse > uchiha and senjus. On top of that sage mode naruto in the figures acquires many times more nature energy then his regular reserves. His sage art rasen shuriken can take out the strongest in the verse as well. Safe to say it could take out his armor because sasuke pierced the 4ths armor with his chidori and Naruto’s normal rasengan is relative to that. Alright we got chakra and strength out of the way. Sage mode naruto speed feats includes taking down and reacting to the 3rd raikage whom is only a bit slower than the 4th yet way stronger. On top of that. The fuck is the 4th gonna do with all of his summonings? Ma and pas genjutsu? The 3 big ass toads that scale to low tailed beast levels each? What else do you want. At this point I can’t see how onoki and 4th raikage together can’t take down sage mode naruto.
Bro. I like your vids. But please. Please improve your audio quality its always so hard to hear
This kinda feels like, “could Darth Sidious beat the clone army. No.” Numbers can overcome most opponents. If you throw enough men at someone, they’ll eventually get tired and die. Even Madara admitted that armies are important in wars, and we saw him slap one himself.
@@pepsibIue 50* 1000 shinobi were sent to the battlefield but when Minato arrived there were 50 left
I have to watch this before I say “the akatsuki definitely isn’t winning, at all”
I will be back with an update once I watch it
The Alliance is stomping everyone else, but the raikage+oonoki thing was on a heavily suppressed madara.
I’m confused on ur itachi vs pain stance in past streams u said itachi but this video u said pain scales above I guess doesn’t mean he beats him but I am curious and would love a video on it as it is a very debated topic
Kisame can only absorb charakra because he had shark skin and also what is that jutsu that kakusu used to get those hearts?
What if we have the entire naruto verse (no zetsu and kaguya or any of the ootsuki aliens) vs prime Madara ?
Six, why is your avatar on its cellular device the whole video?
what is pain just uses chibaku tensei? i dont think people in shinobi allince have an answer, same as itahci susanoo whos breaking that?
This fight would be dope chapter
No it wouldn’t, the akatuski would lose easily ultimately. It’s fun to talk about in a video like this but they lose obviously and I haven’t even seen the video yet. The data books say kid naruto is faster then the 3rd Hokage… they should never be listened to. Akatuski members can’t fight 1000 solo at once.
@@jaioncebollero1168 it not a good debate part one Kage vs Akatsuki (no Obito) is a better debate
I’m a big fan of the Konan scaling ngl
might guy goes 8 gates and kicks through the almighty push, making the other akatsuki members lose from morale
Kakuzu's R A W D U R A B I L I L T Y, or guyy with sword who stood to Madara for 2 seconds?
The fight to decide all!
Wait is this a real question? The akatsuki was defeated by almost 1 on 1 fights. You're seriously considering that the akastuki has a chance vs the entire shinobi alliance?
yo Six how would temari and tenten do vs konan? yall shoulddo a kuniochi royal rumble
Konan likely wins
I have a fewproblems with your scaling for example you use Naruto warning Bee about Itachi's Mangekyou as proof that Tsukuyomi should even work on perfect Jinchuriki, but Naruto does not actually know that since he is not a perfect Jinchuriki at this time, you also use a statement where Sasuke is said to have surpassed Itachi the moment he gained the EMS as proof that itachi is above MS Sasuke, this is an extreme overstatement, surpassing Itachi with the EMS does not mean MS Sasuke was weaker than Itachi, for all we know that statement just means they were equal in power before Sasuke got the EMS.
Could Juubito, Two Rinnegan Juubidara, DMS Kakashi, SO6P Naruto, and Rinnegan Sasuke beat Full Power Kaguya?
Most of those guys are fodder
This is is overkill 💀
SO6P naruto was already blitzing and overpowering the strongest version of kaguya ever with boil release
Add dms and juubidara who is comparable to that naruto
Yea kaguya is getting killed over and over again
@@Zeno1781 wasn't kaguya before she was sealed significantly more powerful?
@@justanothercommenterwithan9089 no
The kaguya after zetsu unleashed her by using madara body is significantly stronger
The kaguya before didn’t absorb the 10 tails and never absorbed all of the shinobi alliance chakra
@@Zeno1781 kaguya was the tentails she already had that chakra and the kaguya that naruto fought was missing half of kurama's chakra unlike the when she fought hagoromo
Gotta love the greedy tentacle man
hey, you didn't even mention the Akatsuki using the already collected 7 beasts or the Gedo Mazo as Obito and Madara did ...
9:20 kakuzo lost his Water style hearth, not earth he has no puppet with earth he his is own earth user
No he dint he use a water style clone his earth heart was destroyed the one he kept inside of him was the water one
@@gameuniverse5973 No, first of its anime only and you know based on databook that the first heart destroyed is a turtle wich means water release. If you want to base on anime only, even after the first heart destroyed he uses his earth release = it makes no sense since in the anime he uses them both
Is killer bee faster than the raikage or at least relative to him since he was able to match V2 Ay's lariat and run towards him at equal speed
I would argue he even stronger he was in base keeping up with kcm one Naruto who outspeed v two raikage
@@gameuniverse5973
You're such a clown 😭
Ok, so the Akatsuki get no Obito. I am very interested to see how Six will amp up the Akatsuki to make this fight interesting, cause if the combined power levels of the two groups are in the same ballpark, then this is going to be an amazing video
Sorry but the music in the background is a little to loud hard to understand you
first time revealing hundred healings? as in first time in the war?
Without Naruto and B, most of the Allied Shinobi Forces would likely be wiped out by the One-Tail through the Seven-Tails as a team, who can launch Tailed Beast Balls. This probably contributed to Obito's confidence in winning the war before Kabuto joined the party.
Sharingan and lightning style is a rare combination that only sasuke has? Bruh do u not remember who taught sasuke how to chidori?!
Off to a bad start with this 1 lmao.
You could give the Akatsuki orange mask Obito and they still get smacked up. The team that fought Rinnegan Obito can probably beat the whole Akatsuki on their own, adding in the Kage, Sakura, Choji, Darui, and so many other crazy strong shinobi is just overkill.
Let’s see what foolery we have today 🧐
@Jon Miller the only chance the akatsuki has is if Itachi uses kotoamatsukami.... but even then..... the akatsuki should stand a chance. It should be -130% chance the akatsuki win
Six is the Shit yo.
Raikage could solo almost all of them
Then you give him onoki, kcm naruto, killer bee, and might guy! Do you even need anyone else??? But there’s also gaara! Who could also solo most of the akatsuki here.... I don’t even see why this is a conversation lol
@@chaddtaylor5838 six be off that $h!*, yo lol
This is interesting... like what if the Akatsuki didn't die as early as they did and they reached the war? idk
This video only scales Names to Names.
Can anyone give me the Powerscaling-Terminology - stuff like Wall-Level, Country-Level, Planet-Level
and such and also the Joules?
!
I think Gaara would be the perfect hard counter to Conan, there's literally nothing she can do against him. I would have said the same for Gaara vs Deidara if it weren't for the hax microscopic bombs that came out of nowhere. I think Kisame's fight would be much harder if it hapoens near water.
Who’s the strongest toad? Gamabunta is stronger than ma/pa?
Nah pa was able to yeet gamabuta also ma with pa was no diffing the the animal summons while gamubuta was having trouble with them
Look I know I’m beating a dead horse but I do personally think that kakazu would just nuke the Battlefield over and over then go for loot
War Arc Kakashi, War Arc Guy and War Arc Sakura would beat the Akatsuki without the Shinobi Alliance.
background music too loud
IMO the most devastating members are the mid tiers
Deidara, Konan, kakuzu, sasori
All have MASSIVE AOE attacks that would wipe hundreds of shinobi per attack especially kakuzus masks
Im gonna oneshot this.
who would win, the Akatsuki or the Ten Tails.
Not really fair, its like asking if thr justice league could beat an army of 50+ superheros who arent fodder, and with the mc in the group whos stupid op in his own right,
The five Kage vs sage mode Kabuto(no edos )i never seen anyone talk about this even tho it might have happened
She’s clearly a perfect jinjuriki also why does what Danzo says matter appeal to Authority
If they fight Kisame where the alliance fought Kin and Gin, Kisame might just be able to flush out all the fodder into the sea with one attack and then dominate the akimichi duo, Darui, Temari, Shikamaru, Ino, etc.
kakuzu at not even kage level is a little silly
I think the “1000 men at once” is an EXTREME exaggeration for like the lower third of the Akatsuki. Regardless of that I don’t think you can really take that statement at face value. It’s a sentence made to hype up the members.
What if Danzo took Kurama from Naruto when he was interim Hokage? He’d have multiple sharingan, Hashirama cells, and the nine tails.
Probably not going to be helpful since Kurama would only give him Charkra when his life in danger
And the fact that the only reason naruto could even contend with the 9 tails without it just bursting out is
1) minato powerful sealing jutsu. His jutsu being so powerful that kushina was like, you could easily seal the 9 tails back within me so why aren’t you? Minato is like plot demands i die so I must
2) naruto is an uzumaki. Aka the best candidates for jinjuriki because of their large reserves of chakra and other stuff