Now that this video is well over a year old, i'll just make the standard point that yes, my thoughts on some placements have changed because +R is an amazing game and the players just keep helping it evolve. Will I ever do an updated list? I dunno, maybe, but regardless if some thoughts seem outdated note that this was recorded all the way back in the summer of 2022 which is basically 30 years in modern post pandemic calendars. ^_^
I think May's main strength is the salt factor. Getting hit by the command grab is SO demoralizing because you know it's reactable, and she stuns you with just a few stray buttons and IKs you.
Your anji guide got me to dedicate a month to learning him. Now you’ve got me interested in even more characters. I can listen to you talk about +R all day, it’s great.
1:45:15 Correction: EXE Beast doesn't OTG anymore in +R. This doesn't make Testament any weaker, of course. Probably only removed some possible infinites (not all...)
Yep, good catch. Definitely merged vanilla AC and +R for a minute after talking nonstop for nearly two hours lol. But agreed, takes basically nothing from the character.
as a Baiken player, I agree with her place on the tier list but I honestly wouldn't say +R Baiken's offense is super good on its own, it's just way better than it should be and her amazing neutral/defense make it scary to fight back and stop her, it allows her to get away with a lot when she gets her opponent to respect her, her offense is amazing in context with the rest of her kit and how the line between offensive and defensive play gets blurred a lil with Baiken, it's a super hard thing to explain
Super fair analysis, I feel the same way but it's hard to get every point in when you're 90+ minutes into talking about characters so i definitely overly simplified the explanation for sake of time. I agree though, her offense on a character with minimal defense would be good, not oppressive, but good. The combination is what makes her terrifying. She can be so hard to crack open despite her low health, and she can crack back off a stray counterhit for extremely high average damage. She's never truly out of a fight and that's a scary opponent to stare down in +R
+R tier lists are always wild to me because unlike Xrd Rev2 or most current Strive tier list which usually have similar tier placements, +R tier list often vary wildly in the lower ends of the tier.
even the top 5 sees debate sometimes, It's definitely not a solved game and it's also a game where everyone is good and is capable of taking tournaments which complicates things even more
@@jonnysac77 I think it's interesting to compare how 3rd Strike is very complex and open with it's system mechanics, but it's mostly been solved, while +R hasn't been as of yet. It really goes to show much popularity of a game affects the speed at which the game is solved.
@@vanjagalovic3621 3s is super complex but theres less options in general, while in +r people havent done much work with super optimal combos and slashback yet
The reason why +R doesn't seem solved yet is because it came out damn near almost simultaneously with the Xrd announcement. A lot of people just overlooked it, especially after playing AC since 2007. They just felt like this game shouldn't have existed.
After playing Strive Faust and going to +r Faust all I can say is this. No man was meant to wield that much power. The difference in strength is seriously that far apart. I kinda wish a couple of items from this game would come back
correction: only TWO of kliff's moves raise his stun at all. that being 214p and 5d. i would say a lot of kliff's real downside is his really low convertability off of long range hits, forcing him to take risks for his big damage combos. his lack of exceptional movement also makes this a lil harder.
Awesome video, keep up the stellar +R content. And I loved hearing you talk through all this, tier lists sans explanation can be a bit rough but contextualizing everything helps it all click. Cheers!
Awesome, I'm trying to get into +R but keep getting bodied by the dudes online, your content has helped A LOT!! I just love this content man, keep it up!!
1:29:44 I feel like this is the first time I've ever actually heard someone else say this. Coming from Tekken the opposite is what most people believe to an almost dogmatic level. It's cathartic to hear someone else share this opinion
1:25:46 I think the burst part of this is a bit wrong. If Dizzy is still on the burst radius, she will get hit over any summon. If she isn't in the radius tho, the burst will just destroy the fish (the fish tanking the dead angle part is correct tho) Really informative list tho, always love the plus r comtent, and I really like the angle you took of "characters strenghts relatively to the other's" rather than a tournament view specifically or so. That speaks to me a lot more, as someone who enjoys watching the game competitively, but mostly plays it causally with pals
Can I have your consent to archive this video and list on the wiki? I like to archive these kinds of things so we can compare modern ACPR knowledge against the old posts from japanese forums.
I love playing testament. Started playing +R about a year ago, and the amount of flexibility and unique options I can create, especially against less aggressive opponents, is always super fun. There are honestly very few matchups I don't like playing in this game. High level slayers might be the worst, because of how difficult it is to pin him down for oki because of bdc jump back fd on wakeup, but even then, catching him in nuetral with 2s is never that bad. Props to Zappa players though, I think that might be my favorite matchup in the entire game.
In the strive resource hub discord it was brought up that robo ky's 5p is I believe +7 on block, and I feel his position while knowing that gives a lot of context to this game's power leve
As a baiken main I cry, I love using baiken but I hate fighting her. No one not even me likes dealing with guard cancels. I wish she got a hakumen parry with the Baku fb variant then it would have been a perfect character for me. Ffs I lost all my acr friends the moment I picked up this character
Really cohesive and informed list. I enjoy your thorough explanations. Think you'll ever make a tier list video for BlazBlue: Central Fiction as well as other fighting games sometime?
people overrate potemkins strength in large part due to only considering how many matchups he loses when it matters how BADLY that character loses those matchups, and potemkin has a handfull of the absolute losingest matchups in the entire game, i have discussed this with several other potemkin players and i cant see potemkin having any more than 4/5 winning matchups at most, he just has some even matchups and a collection of the worst matchups in the game
Having FB skull against potemkin has saved my ass so many times playing against him. He's a scary character, but you're right that his movement makes him pretty exploitable by anyone with effective options to control the screen.
bruh i just got this game on psp emulator its addictive im going to light one and returning to spend the weeknd on this game ...im just tryna find a main ....randomly used chip zanuff and sol chips currently my favourite
(as a justice player) I feel justice should be a little higher- I feel it's overlooked that her nukes make literally every move she has safe on block (with restrictions, but big examples being her 6H and stuff like 2D and J.H), and has very scary oki thanks to meaty p nuke. Her untechable combos are also super nasty with their damage thanks to how great her conversions are
Perfect tierlist not one placement I disagree with. This game can be really oppressive but at least there is room for every character to do some bullshit. Its so fun
Hey! New fighting game player, Strive is the first game I’m trying to actually learn. If my friends and I pick it up, are there any characters you’d recommend for learning the game? Currently thinking about Anji (surprising), Jam, Dizzy, and Aba, but I think some of my choices might be a bit of a rough entry lol
I'm assuming you meant picking up +R ^_^ to be honest: play anyone who you think looks fun and interesting. +R is a wild game and everyone in the cast has their own unique mechanics and quirks to get used to while learning them. Finding out who works well for you or who you think is fun is way more important than worrying about who's the most approachable when just starting out.
Sol and axl. Mars and venus. My brother keep taking sol and hitting me with the volcanic viper. Volcanic viper cancels anything Axl has to offer. Even from a range.
Regarding the "ridiculous" hairpin. Strive Millia lost her “ridiculous hairpin” and was at the bottom of the tier lists for 2-3 years from the moment of release... Millia's weaknesses must be compensated for. A character with low reward and high risk should have high potential.
Johnny should be a bit lower imo, because he has a bad mu spread against a lot of top and high tiers And he loses to sol also which is a really common mu If you factor in that mu spread against the meta i would say johnny should be a bit lower Thats the opinion of a mediocre player however and i am looking forward how my opinion changes as i get better edit: 7 months after my initial comment i changed my mind quite a bit, namely that the unblockable loops are actually cheap enough to propel johnny into high-mid tier, without the unblockable loops he would probably be a lot lower but as is they are actually cheap enough to really boost his powerlevel he is still not a high tier character i think because of a lack of consistency in his strenghts and his neutral game being not very easy to play and lack of reliable reversal option
Why isn't baiken top 1, tho? She has basically everything and more. What can testament and zappa do that baiken can't do better. If they have better offense, then sure, however, baiken has crazy pressure offense and damage, all with the ability to give everyone in the cast the middle finger for daring to take their turn.
@normalabsolutely7240 i mean I explain this in the video but simply put, Baikens guard counters are not infallible. Every character has ways to work around guard counter. Not every character has a good way to deal with oki from testament, or zappa getting out a summon that shuts down their gameplan. Testament can create near checkmate situation off a single touch, zappa can completely dominate neutral and lock opponents down with any of his summons. Baiken is the best defensive character in the game, but defense is only one facet of guilty gear. Try rewatching the explanations on each character, because none of my opinions have changed on these placements even years later.
Hi, I've been playing the XX series for 20 years, have been the lead commentator for the biggest guilty gear event in NA for a decade, and am considered one of the top Anji players in NA. But if you wanna prove i'm lacking understanding and am "lower mid" then lets play a set sometime yea?
@@klaigeno offense but I could care less if you’re the best player in the world. Playing a game well and understanding it on a more analytical level are 2 different things. If you truly think venom is above May and Sol you don’t understand the game as well as you play. Sol and May don’t have any glaring weaknesses regardless of what you said. Many of Sol’s moves in his kit aren’t just unga bunga moves but can be used on reaction as a hard answer and convert into huge damage and this goes for a more mid range game as well. His tic throw setups have a disgusting risk reward factor, he has very solid reversals. Venom on the other hand should be around Bridget ky and robo ky. He has too many glaring weaknesses and gets destroyed by several problem matchups that he simply doesn’t have answers to solve. His risk reward is regularly an up hill battle against most of the cast and requires winning neutral much more, he has no reversals, and characters with strong force break reversals even with “lower mobility” like Slayer (I put in quotes because ironically Venom struggles against several lower mobility characters because he has no reversals or means to hard challenge other character’s toolkits which leads to his back always being against the wall even at mid to long range where he likes to be) just invalidates most of venoms only strengths. At highest level Venom’s handicaps are an actual problem while Sol and May actually do have a balanced tool kit in addition to their above average damage which is in itself a major leveling card in this game
@@tita4359 Sol and May don't have any glaring weaknesses. Lmao. Lol. That was all i needed to read to know you are the one talking completely out your ass, and your hand waving of my experience and the fact that I spend far more time analyzing and understanding this game than you've even looked at it is clear as day. But since you're just another random YT commenter who wants to talk shit and not back it up by proving i'm an invalid in the game I've dedicated literally years of my free time to learning and teaching to others, I no longer have to bother treating your arguments with any seriousness what so ever. What you could have done was not be a jackass and said "I personally would put May and Sol above Venom" and I would have looked at that comment and thought "perfectly fair take to have, tier lists are literally based in opinion" But instead you decided to talk shit and try to claim I have no understanding of a game that I can play better, analyze better, commentate better, and educate others in better than you'll ever be able to. Stay free, and stay being a keyboard warrior.
@@klaigeI mean, idk about Sol, but May is kinda notorious for not really having much in the ways of flaws, her Dustloop weaknesses section is kinda memed on a bit cause of that. I think is fair to put her below some other characters still, in fact of them having stronger strenghts, but I can't think of much she does particularly wrong. Some matchups like Justice can be rough by muting her usual strenghts, but still. Not quite the same as her gemaplan having some holes to fill, if that makes sense. Tho tbf, I think people also exaggerate Sol's issues in neutral sometimes. Yeah, he's often a bit in the backfoot in that regard, but with his strong buttons like j.p, j.h and whatnot, it cancels out a lot of the time, minus some matchups like Faust and Kliff ofc
By that logic Faust and Kliff should be banned as well due to their RNG. Zappa is strong, he's not unbeatable and the RNG can absolutely roll against him, it's just part of his kit, +R is a wild game, saying anyone should be banned from the intended cast (EX/Shadow/Gold characters obviously do not apply) is frankly, nonsense.
Zappa also has to do something, either using summon special, or getting knocked down. Again, this is +R, advocating for a character ban over a random summon is nonsense.
@@klaige i mean someone getting knocked down is kind of just an inevitability, you can't really expect a lot of characters in this game to just not kd ppl hahaha totally agree that its ridiculous to say he should be banned but zappa sometimes getting free summons is kind of just "why is this in the game" to me also kliff doesnt always have a chance to throw out his back anyways
@@wannabecinnabon I agree that the knockdown point is being pedantic but that's my whole point here. +R is a huge pile of "wait why can they do that", hell that' is Testaments entire kit, lol. Kliff doesn't always have a chance to throw his back out, and Zappa doesn't always wake up with a summon, saying anything needs to go based on RNG is a giant slippery slope in a fighting game, especially one as volatile as +R. Is Zappa getting a random summon that might bail him out on knockdown pretty cracked? Absolutely, but +R is a game full of cracked characters, it's part of what makes it fun and makes so many characters viable.
You have no idea what are talking about. Anyone who is placing testament in s tier in +R should delete the game and never pretend to be an analysis tier maker.
@@poyorok saying how bad and unbalanced big trees are, you cannot put testament in the disadvantages positions. Rigght, just high jump, fd green block and push harder. S tier for sure. How about that argument? And exe.beast otg...sure i wish it was like that
@@poyorok there's always at least one person who willingly shows their whole ass in the comments, which is fine by me, I get free laughs and entertainment on top of engagement for the vid ^_^
@@klaige Alf's pretty active on the +R discord, I've talked to him a few times. He's amazing at playing Testament and has a lot of insight into the character. What he says about disabling traps is true, as well as the fact that Beast OTG was removed in the transition from AC to +R. That said, it was rude for him to phrase it that way. Just don't want to let the legit explanations about how testament works get buried, props on the great video.
Now that this video is well over a year old, i'll just make the standard point that yes, my thoughts on some placements have changed because +R is an amazing game and the players just keep helping it evolve.
Will I ever do an updated list? I dunno, maybe, but regardless if some thoughts seem outdated note that this was recorded all the way back in the summer of 2022 which is basically 30 years in modern post pandemic calendars. ^_^
Is there any good resource to learn zappa combos etc, dustloop does not have video footage on them
what are the main changes in your opinions? I'm kinda curious
@@redhairedprince5382 I'd like to know, too. Maybe a new shorter video? 🙂 Anyway, I really appreciate your channel, Klaige-sensei.
I think May's main strength is the salt factor. Getting hit by the command grab is SO demoralizing because you know it's reactable, and she stuns you with just a few stray buttons and IKs you.
I agree. I think may on paper and may in reality are too very different characters and her strengths just have to be experienced😂.....I hate her
Your anji guide got me to dedicate a month to learning him.
Now you’ve got me interested in even more characters.
I can listen to you talk about +R all day, it’s great.
1:45:15 Correction: EXE Beast doesn't OTG anymore in +R. This doesn't make Testament any weaker, of course. Probably only removed some possible infinites (not all...)
Yep, good catch. Definitely merged vanilla AC and +R for a minute after talking nonstop for nearly two hours lol. But agreed, takes basically nothing from the character.
man, im DIGGING the +r content, your anji guide and anji matchup chart were absolute gold, keep it up!
Don't even play this game but watched this.
bridget is bottom tier until the funny bear on a bicycle comes and you're blocking hopelessly in the corner while fearing the day of reckoning
Bottom tier in +r is still a good character. There’s a reason it stops at B+
as a Baiken player, I agree with her place on the tier list but I honestly wouldn't say +R Baiken's offense is super good on its own, it's just way better than it should be and her amazing neutral/defense make it scary to fight back and stop her, it allows her to get away with a lot when she gets her opponent to respect her, her offense is amazing in context with the rest of her kit and how the line between offensive and defensive play gets blurred a lil with Baiken, it's a super hard thing to explain
Super fair analysis, I feel the same way but it's hard to get every point in when you're 90+ minutes into talking about characters so i definitely overly simplified the explanation for sake of time.
I agree though, her offense on a character with minimal defense would be good, not oppressive, but good. The combination is what makes her terrifying. She can be so hard to crack open despite her low health, and she can crack back off a stray counterhit for extremely high average damage. She's never truly out of a fight and that's a scary opponent to stare down in +R
+R tier lists are always wild to me because unlike Xrd Rev2 or most current Strive tier list which usually have similar tier placements, +R tier list often vary wildly in the lower ends of the tier.
even the top 5 sees debate sometimes, It's definitely not a solved game and it's also a game where everyone is good and is capable of taking tournaments which complicates things even more
@@jonnysac77 I think it's interesting to compare how 3rd Strike is very complex and open with it's system mechanics, but it's mostly been solved, while +R hasn't been as of yet. It really goes to show much popularity of a game affects the speed at which the game is solved.
@@vanjagalovic3621 3s is super complex but theres less options in general, while in +r people havent done much work with super optimal combos and slashback yet
most consensus is that Testament and Zappa are in S/S+ tier then you have like baiken, dizzy afterwards. As well as Robo-Ky being in the bottom
The reason why +R doesn't seem solved yet is because it came out damn near almost simultaneously with the Xrd announcement.
A lot of people just overlooked it, especially after playing AC since 2007. They just felt like this game shouldn't have existed.
thank you so much for your guides and videos about +R Anji, you've shown me one of the most fun games and one of my favorite characters
After playing Strive Faust and going to +r Faust all I can say is this. No man was meant to wield that much power. The difference in strength is seriously that far apart. I kinda wish a couple of items from this game would come back
correction: only TWO of kliff's moves raise his stun at all. that being 214p and 5d. i would say a lot of kliff's real downside is his really low convertability off of long range hits, forcing him to take risks for his big damage combos. his lack of exceptional movement also makes this a lil harder.
Really? I mean, his OTG his legendary.
holy guacamole! i did not expect to see you here konkeydong!
@@5higuy what's poppin
I just came here to see Faust’s placement and moan in agony to myself
Just play faust in xrd or +r
Its worth it
Awesome video, keep up the stellar +R content. And I loved hearing you talk through all this, tier lists sans explanation can be a bit rough but contextualizing everything helps it all click. Cheers!
i love seeing +r content like this, accent core definitely deserves more tier lists, videos, etc. Thanks a lot
Only found this now, but I really like your list, I don't have many if any disagreement. Feels like a very modern list.
Awesome, I'm trying to get into +R but keep getting bodied by the dudes online, your content has helped A LOT!! I just love this content man, keep it up!!
1:29:44 I feel like this is the first time I've ever actually heard someone else say this. Coming from Tekken the opposite is what most people believe to an almost dogmatic level. It's cathartic to hear someone else share this opinion
You seem quite experienced, cool tier list.
so youre telling me that i get to do all this fucked up shit to people for 3 bucks? sign me up!
a.b.a is S+++ tier. reason is i love her and give her a big kiss
Even though I barely play plus r because I get crushed immediately, I still like the plus r Anji videos.
1:25:46 I think the burst part of this is a bit wrong. If Dizzy is still on the burst radius, she will get hit over any summon. If she isn't in the radius tho, the burst will just destroy the fish (the fish tanking the dead angle part is correct tho)
Really informative list tho, always love the plus r comtent, and I really like the angle you took of "characters strenghts relatively to the other's" rather than a tournament view specifically or so. That speaks to me a lot more, as someone who enjoys watching the game competitively, but mostly plays it causally with pals
Can I have your consent to archive this video and list on the wiki? I like to archive these kinds of things so we can compare modern ACPR knowledge against the old posts from japanese forums.
By all means please do!
Great work and vid!
Thank you very much!
My local arcade has an accent +R machine and I NEED TO KNOW EVERYTHING
I love playing testament. Started playing +R about a year ago, and the amount of flexibility and unique options I can create, especially against less aggressive opponents, is always super fun.
There are honestly very few matchups I don't like playing in this game. High level slayers might be the worst, because of how difficult it is to pin him down for oki because of bdc jump back fd on wakeup, but even then, catching him in nuetral with 2s is never that bad. Props to Zappa players though, I think that might be my favorite matchup in the entire game.
It's nice to know what really made Testament busted in +R. His iteration in Strive seems much more tame.
I love what they did with Strive Test. Their iteration really *feels* like Strive Testament
3:57 He said the thing
Testament actually got buffed in the last patch of the game (2nd update of +r iirc)
I disagree with ABA placement, she's cute and fun clearly top 1
In the strive resource hub discord it was brought up that robo ky's 5p is I believe +7 on block, and I feel his position while knowing that gives a lot of context to this game's power leve
+9, but only in high heat mode which is what makes it "fair" in a game like +R lol.
as acent core nooblet was courious. big thanks. and love the explenations.
Zappas updated combos, especially with the RC air sword moves are just pure magic to watch
1:31:50 Was that a Freudian slip?
Amazing video. Thanks.
Kliff crouching dust is one of tbe funniest hitboxes I've seen in any fighting game
As a baiken main I cry, I love using baiken but I hate fighting her. No one not even me likes dealing with guard cancels. I wish she got a hakumen parry with the Baku fb variant then it would have been a perfect character for me. Ffs I lost all my acr friends the moment I picked up this character
Hehe how does it feel dealing with your nonsense
Really cohesive and informed list. I enjoy your thorough explanations. Think you'll ever make a tier list video for BlazBlue: Central Fiction as well as other fighting games sometime?
people overrate potemkins strength in large part due to only considering how many matchups he loses when it matters how BADLY that character loses those matchups, and potemkin has a handfull of the absolute losingest matchups in the entire game, i have discussed this with several other potemkin players and i cant see potemkin having any more than 4/5 winning matchups at most, he just has some even matchups and a collection of the worst matchups in the game
Having FB skull against potemkin has saved my ass so many times playing against him. He's a scary character, but you're right that his movement makes him pretty exploitable by anyone with effective options to control the screen.
bruh i just got this game on psp emulator its addictive im going to light one and returning to spend the weeknd on this game ...im just tryna find a main ....randomly used chip zanuff and sol chips currently my favourite
JUSTICEBROS WE ARE SO HONEST RN
(as a justice player) I feel justice should be a little higher- I feel it's overlooked that her nukes make literally every move she has safe on block (with restrictions, but big examples being her 6H and stuff like 2D and J.H), and has very scary oki thanks to meaty p nuke. Her untechable combos are also super nasty with their damage thanks to how great her conversions are
Me seeing how Goku can make 2D +4 vs IB:
Hell yeah baby (sunglasses emoji)!
31k views and only 793 likes??? people don´t apreciate the good job u.u
Perfect tierlist not one placement I disagree with. This game can be really oppressive but at least there is room for every character to do some bullshit. Its so fun
Hey! New fighting game player, Strive is the first game I’m trying to actually learn. If my friends and I pick it up, are there any characters you’d recommend for learning the game? Currently thinking about Anji (surprising), Jam, Dizzy, and Aba, but I think some of my choices might be a bit of a rough entry lol
I'm assuming you meant picking up +R ^_^ to be honest: play anyone who you think looks fun and interesting. +R is a wild game and everyone in the cast has their own unique mechanics and quirks to get used to while learning them. Finding out who works well for you or who you think is fun is way more important than worrying about who's the most approachable when just starting out.
Sol and axl.
Mars and venus.
My brother keep taking sol and hitting me with the volcanic viper.
Volcanic viper cancels anything Axl has to offer.
Even from a range.
I didn't expect that, Baiken is tier S and order sol is tier A? Because of how good it is, I always thought it was Tier A+
Just a quick little correction, dizzy fish don't eat burst
Testament #1 let's go!!!
Regarding the "ridiculous" hairpin.
Strive Millia lost her “ridiculous hairpin” and was at the bottom of the tier lists for 2-3 years from the moment of release...
Millia's weaknesses must be compensated for.
A character with low reward and high risk should have high potential.
whats the song at 1:16:04?
"Til The Next Time" Which is one of the 3 main credits tracks for finishing arcade/story mode.
Johnny is A- most of characters can disrespect unblockable
Johnny should be a bit lower imo, because he has a bad mu spread against a lot of top and high tiers
And he loses to sol also which is a really common mu
If you factor in that mu spread against the meta i would say johnny should be a bit lower
Thats the opinion of a mediocre player however and i am looking forward how my opinion changes as i get better
edit:
7 months after my initial comment i changed my mind quite a bit, namely that the unblockable loops are actually cheap enough to propel johnny into high-mid tier, without the unblockable loops he would probably be a lot lower but as is they are actually cheap enough to really boost his powerlevel
he is still not a high tier character i think because of a lack of consistency in his strenghts and his neutral game being not very easy to play and lack of reliable reversal option
Stupid question, how are you supposed to pronounce A.B.A's name?
Ah-buh, never heard her being pronounced as Ay-bee-ay outside of this guy. doesn't really matter though
Why isn't baiken top 1, tho? She has basically everything and more.
What can testament and zappa do that baiken can't do better. If they have better offense, then sure, however, baiken has crazy pressure offense and damage, all with the ability to give everyone in the cast the middle finger for daring to take their turn.
@normalabsolutely7240 i mean I explain this in the video but simply put, Baikens guard counters are not infallible.
Every character has ways to work around guard counter. Not every character has a good way to deal with oki from testament, or zappa getting out a summon that shuts down their gameplan.
Testament can create near checkmate situation off a single touch, zappa can completely dominate neutral and lock opponents down with any of his summons.
Baiken is the best defensive character in the game, but defense is only one facet of guilty gear. Try rewatching the explanations on each character, because none of my opinions have changed on these placements even years later.
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Robery Kyle is S+
In our hearts? Yes.
1:43:23 oh no he said he!
i like to play baiken :)
But klaige dont you know that johnny is low tier? /s
Venom above Sol and May is ridiculous. I feel this guy doesn’t understand +R beyond a sort of lower-mid level of play.
Hi, I've been playing the XX series for 20 years, have been the lead commentator for the biggest guilty gear event in NA for a decade, and am considered one of the top Anji players in NA.
But if you wanna prove i'm lacking understanding and am "lower mid" then lets play a set sometime yea?
@@klaigeno offense but I could care less if you’re the best player in the world. Playing a game well and understanding it on a more analytical level are 2 different things. If you truly think venom is above May and Sol you don’t understand the game as well as you play. Sol and May don’t have any glaring weaknesses regardless of what you said. Many of Sol’s moves in his kit aren’t just unga bunga moves but can be used on reaction as a hard answer and convert into huge damage and this goes for a more mid range game as well. His tic throw setups have a disgusting risk reward factor, he has very solid reversals.
Venom on the other hand should be around Bridget ky and robo ky. He has too many glaring weaknesses and gets destroyed by several problem matchups that he simply doesn’t have answers to solve. His risk reward is regularly an up hill battle against most of the cast and requires winning neutral much more, he has no reversals, and characters with strong force break reversals even with “lower mobility” like Slayer (I put in quotes because ironically Venom struggles against several lower mobility characters because he has no reversals or means to hard challenge other character’s toolkits which leads to his back always being against the wall even at mid to long range where he likes to be) just invalidates most of venoms only strengths. At highest level Venom’s handicaps are an actual problem while Sol and May actually do have a balanced tool kit in addition to their above average damage which is in itself a major leveling card in this game
@@tita4359 Sol and May don't have any glaring weaknesses. Lmao. Lol.
That was all i needed to read to know you are the one talking completely out your ass, and your hand waving of my experience and the fact that I spend far more time analyzing and understanding this game than you've even looked at it is clear as day.
But since you're just another random YT commenter who wants to talk shit and not back it up by proving i'm an invalid in the game I've dedicated literally years of my free time to learning and teaching to others, I no longer have to bother treating your arguments with any seriousness what so ever.
What you could have done was not be a jackass and said "I personally would put May and Sol above Venom" and I would have looked at that comment and thought "perfectly fair take to have, tier lists are literally based in opinion"
But instead you decided to talk shit and try to claim I have no understanding of a game that I can play better, analyze better, commentate better, and educate others in better than you'll ever be able to.
Stay free, and stay being a keyboard warrior.
@@klaigeI mean, idk about Sol, but May is kinda notorious for not really having much in the ways of flaws, her Dustloop weaknesses section is kinda memed on a bit cause of that. I think is fair to put her below some other characters still, in fact of them having stronger strenghts, but I can't think of much she does particularly wrong. Some matchups like Justice can be rough by muting her usual strenghts, but still. Not quite the same as her gemaplan having some holes to fill, if that makes sense.
Tho tbf, I think people also exaggerate Sol's issues in neutral sometimes. Yeah, he's often a bit in the backfoot in that regard, but with his strong buttons like j.p, j.h and whatnot, it cancels out a lot of the time, minus some matchups like Faust and Kliff ofc
zappa should be tournament banned, not becouse he is overpower but cuz that random summons breaks the game and has no skill involve
By that logic Faust and Kliff should be banned as well due to their RNG. Zappa is strong, he's not unbeatable and the RNG can absolutely roll against him, it's just part of his kit, +R is a wild game, saying anyone should be banned from the intended cast (EX/Shadow/Gold characters obviously do not apply) is frankly, nonsense.
@@klaige faust has to do something to trigger the RNG , amd i don't remember kliff i think rng work against him
Zappa also has to do something, either using summon special, or getting knocked down. Again, this is +R, advocating for a character ban over a random summon is nonsense.
@@klaige i mean someone getting knocked down is kind of just an inevitability, you can't really expect a lot of characters in this game to just not kd ppl hahaha
totally agree that its ridiculous to say he should be banned but zappa sometimes getting free summons is kind of just "why is this in the game" to me
also kliff doesnt always have a chance to throw out his back anyways
@@wannabecinnabon I agree that the knockdown point is being pedantic but that's my whole point here. +R is a huge pile of "wait why can they do that", hell that' is Testaments entire kit, lol.
Kliff doesn't always have a chance to throw his back out, and Zappa doesn't always wake up with a summon, saying anything needs to go based on RNG is a giant slippery slope in a fighting game, especially one as volatile as +R.
Is Zappa getting a random summon that might bail him out on knockdown pretty cracked? Absolutely, but +R is a game full of cracked characters, it's part of what makes it fun and makes so many characters viable.
justice is busted
You have no idea what are talking about. Anyone who is placing testament in s tier in +R should delete the game and never pretend to be an analysis tier maker.
you literally cheat
what a great argument, really makes you question the video's points, truly astounding
@@poyorok saying how bad and unbalanced big trees are, you cannot put testament in the disadvantages positions.
Rigght, just high jump, fd green block and push harder. S tier for sure.
How about that argument?
And exe.beast otg...sure i wish it was like that
@@poyorok there's always at least one person who willingly shows their whole ass in the comments, which is fine by me, I get free laughs and entertainment on top of engagement for the vid ^_^
@@klaige Alf's pretty active on the +R discord, I've talked to him a few times. He's amazing at playing Testament and has a lot of insight into the character. What he says about disabling traps is true, as well as the fact that Beast OTG was removed in the transition from AC to +R. That said, it was rude for him to phrase it that way.
Just don't want to let the legit explanations about how testament works get buried, props on the great video.