See the problem here is, Victor wrote himself into A corner here. Fake outs of the death of a main character rarely go well and require insane competence in writing. So we’ll all have to see what Victor has planned.
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So, news flash. This may somewhat be true. There's this reaction video on Fallout floating around, and Victor left a comment saying, and I quote; "Don't worry about Thomas too much. This isn't the last you've seen of him," So, Victor basically confirmed Thomas straight up isn't gone.
I asked for this and you certainly delivered my friend. I also would’ve brought up Victor’s comment of the fact Fallout isn’t the last time we see Thomas. Also Victor is playing his death off too lightly as seen in Stories of Xmas and Sodor Answers.
Another reason why Thomas isn't dead, The Sodor Short "What happens to a Non-Faceless engine's face when it dies?" stated that the face disappears, this was confirmed in the SCP's of Sodor episode "A Troublesome Engine" where when Johnny Cuba died his face disappeared, now you could say that Geoffrey and Peter's faces still being there when they died was due to the still having a bit of life left, but were essentially brain-dead. All this plus the points you made and the short "What are your faces made of?" tell us that Thomas isn't dead, but it'll take quite some time to repair/rebuild/overhaul him, so when, not if, WHEN Thomas returns everyone will be informed of the truth and things will return to normal for Sodor with the return of their Number 1.
Now that I think about it, BARRY was thought to be dead, but he wasn't. In fact, he was brought back via the use of older engine parts, which Thomas would be SURROUNDED with on the island! So Victor COULD be setting up the idea of him returning!
@@allison122477you do Realise most engines that went to Barry island scrapyard were saved for preservation? mainly because they were just sitting there as the scrapyard prioritised scrapping rolling stock
I agree with your theory. Thomas could just be in a coma and like with Barry, a little bump could make him come out of it. What I personally would like to happen is Francis (Spamcan) goes over a rough section of track which gives Thomas a jolt to awake him up An overjoyed Francis takes Thomas back to Sodor to be restored
While I did say that I think Thomas is dead, if he does come back then these are the stories I wanna see: - Mr. Hall inventing a chemical that treats damage to the face and trying it out on Thomas. - Thomas and Kate falling in love again and tying the knot - This concept was brought up in Relationships, so seeing these two getting married is a good idea. - An adaptation of Thomas and the special letter - You can’t have that episode without Thomas - Thomas getting his late revenge on Burk for sabotaging him in 1938 - Thomas perhaps also going throw SDC while being repaired
My Theory on what could happen: As the Men at Barry Isle try to work on Thomas they see that he is damaged beyond repair. Knowing how much of an Impact Thomas had on the world however and not wanting to let it be forgotten they start building a replica of Thomas using parts from the original. This Thomas would have a few differences such as a flat running board for example but still have the memories of the original as parts from it were used during the building process but he would also be aware of the fact he is a replica. Thomas Mk2 would leave Barry Isle and return to Sodor while the original is scrapped. Thomas Mk2 would continue the work of its predecessor while hiding the truth about him being a replica from the others.
I'd personally say that considering we have the spirit tunnel that can resurect dead characters/engines due to the supernatural presences in the world, its always an option for Thomas to be brought back. While this theory is interesting, I personally thing Victor will end up using some form of the SCP foundation's presence to bring him back-
Hey dude, great video! You’ve earned yourself a subscriber, just 2 things I’d like to say. Another point to support your theory is that “he was unconscious most of the time” and “we made sure he was filled to the brim with green water” so that implies that he might be in some kind of coma. The other thing I wanted to say was my own theory, what if Thomas comes back like Arthur? If engines are reincarnations of humans (like we see in scps of sodor) who’s to say that the same couldn’t happen with other engines? It can also explain why thomas is always seen as so young even though he’s more than 100 years old.
I knew it!! I know you said it’s just a theory but I saw a comment from Victor Tanzig himself from Miles Lee (ConrailFan76) videos saying in I quote “This isn’t the last you’ll see of Thomas”. I also told myself to have hope that he will survive and it sounds like it is a possibility. Also I like how you brought up the railway series in that Wilbert wouldn’t be writing about Thomas in his last story unless he was alive, so yeah it could definitely happen. Like you said maybe around 1971 Thomas will wake up on Barry Island and the story of a certain episode will start from there
Thomas was topped up with Green Water the entire time, as was Barry the engine. I highly doubt Barry would've been brought in when he was if his story/fate was meaningless.
If Thomas is still living, just Imagine if he has amnesia and travels round England under a new identity for a while. I can imagine a scene where he has to be dragged back to Sodor by force and he's like "Help I'm being kid...err trainnapped!"
With the railway series connection, you could argue that Christopher kept writing about him due to him being in the books for so long and him just disappearing would seem odd to readers
I think i explained Thomas death because anything living ca-n have a chance of dyng in a coma and what does Green water do it puts an engine in a coma and since You ca-n die in a coma then that means Thomas injuries were so severe that when he had Green water put he died fast and painless
I beat you to the Barry Island bit by a good few days, but yeah, I also reckon he’ll end up being preserved by a preservation group browsing the scrapyard, to which they’ll reconstruct his face and totally overhaul him to running order, ending up with similar events to his trip to York in the books, and ending with him returning to Sodor
another thing is that though Tramway Engines is set in 1964, the foreword for it is likely more recent, probably 1971 or 1972, and it mentions Thomas' ego causing the Reverend to put Ghost Train in the book out of spite.
I think the biggest evidence for me that Thomas isn't dead is how the stories of sodor has based most of its episodes around with some of the engine taking on the characters traits. I'm talking about TUGS. Now like I said, the main world engine took on these traits. Gordon as tophat, Edward as Hercules, Percy as Sunshine, etc. And our beloved number 1, Tencents. And as we all know from the original munitions episode, he too got blown and survived, badly damaged but survived. Victor may have up the game with a whole "Thomas didn't make it" scene but if we go by TUGS logic then he did. Extremely damaged but and engine worth salvaging. Especially if the queen gets word of his survival.
I’m seeing some other theories touch on this, so I’ll compile elements of them into my own theory. Thomas survived the explosion initially because his cab was protecting his boiler. Since he’s a relatively young Steamie, he likely doesn’t have metal fatigue yet, so it would take a lot to knock him out completely… unlike Peter. He is likely going to be extra “high” on Green Water for the next god knows how long he’ll spend on Barry Island, and when he wakes up, he’ll likely ask about the war, since his last memory was of an explosion. I had a theory ages ago on another channel’s comments section, thinking that if SCPs of Sodor is getting a s2, then Thomas is collected by The Foundation, likely moved out under a frontispiece of “Sussex Central Planning,” before getting repaired and treated for PTSD and working as either a Non-Faceless MTF agent, or an imbedded agent within the Railway Inspector’s Unit
Thomas was built in 1905 in TSOS and this is all set in 1965 where he’d be 60 so not really physically that young plus metal fatigue seems to be able to affect any non faceless vehicle whether or not they’re younger or older. Peter was also physically younger than Thomas where he was built in 1935 and in 1965 when getting killed he would’ve been 30.
I want to say you're right, though the Sodor Answers video about what material their faces are made of might have just been a response to the question I left in the comments a few weeks prior on the "Can non-faceless vehicles drive themselves" video. As for the RWS, I think the rule would only apply to characters the Reverend hadn't introduced yet, so I don't think Thomas's appearance in Tramway Engines contradicts that. But the Barry Island bit has to be something.
If Victor does go this general route, one way to ensure it has consequences is having Thomas suffer from amnesia, and the other engines try to help him remember.
Thomas died due to his injuries while he was unconcious since engines are like humans if someone got badly injured and put in a coma they have a posibilaty of dyng now we can apply this to thomas
Hmm, my theory is that Thomas is not dead, because his face is not missing. But, it seems to me, Sir Topham Hatt had 2 options, either to restore Thomas, which could hit the finances of the railway very hard, or to send Thomas to Barry Island.
Okay but look back in previous seasons about Arthur They said Arthur was killed in the 1920s in a crashed. But another Arthur came to Sodor in the 50s with the same name, same letters same everything and that one was built in the 40s. So my theorie is another Thomas will come to Sodor.... But that is might not be the case now i think about it because Thomas is an E2 LBSCR Class tank engine and only 13 were built and by 1963 all of them met the cutter's torch so that might not be the case but Thomas never mentioned his siblings so maybe...
I made the same theory a few days ago. However, i made a bit of a different theory. It's, about that Derek said Green Water, when, if Thomas was dead, it's black water needed. I explained this in my Video you can watch, hopefully Victor does so too
Except black water is used to permanently sease non faceless vehicles. Giving Thomas green water as anesthetic doesn’t negate the possibility of dying from injuries. Heck Randolph was on green water but died from metal fatigue. The only fuck up comes from Johnny Cuba
Heres a answer about Thomas îs dead welp You know how humans can die in a coma or indused state aka Greene water și my theory îs that after being put in Green water while he was unconcious he died like how You ca-n die in a coma like state indused by Green water for engines black water îs bassically for engines that are sentanced to death row
might be the same case as with Brian, who died during a bombing in WW2, got rebuild and came back i'd assume Thomas would be similarly scarred for being in a purgatory-like state as the former
My theory is, the original stories of sodor was based off tugs, it then branched off of tugs based episodes for 3 seasons, so, this new season shows munitions, a tugs based episode, with a twist, I think that due to a bad autopsy that was quick and a brush over, this means Thomas was mistakenly pronounced dead, thus leading to a funeral and send off for the little Tankie, this couples with your theory with Barry and Thomas being all the same, Thomas wakes up as the cutters start lighting their torches and wonder why the engine just screamed, thus he is sent to crovans gate, then kill Dane, and found exactly like barry
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To me Thomas is one of my favorite characters from the show and the Thomas world because he’s a character that I can relate to and for him to be gone but hopefully you’re right about your theory of him coming back like for some reason he gets moved around and comes out of his comma and is fine but that’s a pretty BIG IF though which I like to stay positive but this one is hard to swallow
Victor did drop a comment on a reaction video for Fallout which goes along the lines of "This isn't the last time you'll see Thomas". Perhaps a good episode title for that could be Resurrection or Reunion. If the theories are true, then we could expect Thomas to wake up at Barry Island, surrounded by several husks of other faceless and non-faceless engines. This would cause a stir, and the news would eventually spread to Sodor, with everyone being overjoyed at the fact that Thomas managed to survive. Arrangements would soon be made to bring Thomas back to Sodor where he belongs, but not without some difficulty. Eventually, Thomas crosses the Walney Channel and returns home, with many waiting at Crovan's Gate for his gallant return (basically, the reverse of how he was sent off). Being scarred and battered, Thomas greets his old friends, and soon enough, work begins to get him back into working order, which also includes undergoing Steam-Diesel Conversion to increase his longevity. Eventually, after months of hard work, Thomas emerges from the works a new engine. Perhaps he wears an eyepatch for a while to hide the damage on his face if it never grows back. The basis for this is that in the Railway Series, Sir Handel wears an eyepatch after a tree branch injures his eye when he goes to Wales.
You know this reminds me of the CGI series. Thomas was restored and shipped to the island of sodor for continued service. Specifically, rebuilt In the movie showing Thomas's arrival they talk about a new engine arriving on the island. And that it had been so long since the last one. IE Thomas "died" was scrapped, repaired, and shipped back to sodor under a new name and life despite being the same engine
Good theory, I don't think Victor would put "To be continued" at the end of Munitions and let Thomas die in the next episode. I also don't think that Barry Isle would be mentioned without some purpose in the future, and that's what shows that it will. Just to add on, the entire theme of S5 was the Hall's, which was foreshadowed all the way back in S2. I highly doubt Thomas is going to appear in the next season, cuz it kinda ruins the entire idea of Thomas dying. I think that Thomas is going to appear in the first episode of S7 OR the last episode of S6.
Regarding what the engines' faces are made of, I looked ABS up and, while it's used in a variety of ways, the one that stuck out to me the most was protective headgear. Emphasis on protective. If that isn't Victor telling us that Thomas is still alive, I don't know what is.
Sodor Answers Is Canon To The Sodor Shorts, Not The Stories of Sodor. It Was a Joke Answer. But The Fact, You Included It To Your Theory Is Interesting.
i think you could make the argument that the railway series and stories of sodor are completely different canons and books may have not been relesed in the SOS canon that were in real life
I think the idea is that Thomas is dead, but might replace by another engine made to look and act like Thomas (A replica), something a animation creator toy with the idea on his fan made channel (not saying victor are collating or the stories related), but idea of a replica Thomas being made which can have few stories with it.
So what you’re proposing is they misdiagnosed Thomas being in a coma, and assumed that he was dead. so since they sent him off to a scrap yard famous for accidentally preserving steam engines, he’ll wake up sometime within the next few years and be restored? I just wanna make sure I understand Edit: it is also possible that they could’ve accidentally induced Thomases coma since they said they were pumping in full of green water the entire time they were doing maintenance on him. I imagine the human equivalent would be a medically induced coma.
@@TheTrainTheoristOfficial Although I feel it is very possible Victor could’ve just killed off Thomas forever, I think it would be pretty neat if he returned. Thomas is one of those characters who is just fun to write for. it feels like there are an infinite amount of stories you could tell with him just based on how we plays off of others. (Plus, let’s be real, even if his face can’t heal seeing, Thomas with a eyepatch would be pretty cool.) Also in terms of this universe, it would feel weird that Awdry would keep telling stories about Thomas after his death. And even more bizarre that Britt would go on a television series about that same engine long after his death and completely falsify stories about him. Unless Thomas does come back in this story, that action would paint both of those creators in a bad light.
@@TheTrainTheoristOfficial I thought the same too. Victor would probably not say: “Thomas will be sent to [random scrapyard] on the mainland” if it wasn’t significant. The fact that it is *Barry Island* of all scrapyards, makes me think that he will somehow pull through. I hope Victor takes his time with season 6, if you saw his community tab, he just finished the script for episode 1. I would at least like updates for this, if we have to wait until mid 2025 for this season, I would at least like to know it.
Well I mean another thing that confirms this is that in the most recent short video James says that he's healed Thomas and then it cuts to it being with no fish and on fire
Personal I think him returning is possible with all the possibilities Victor has given himself. I mean it could be like the Path of the Dead or something as simple as he was in a deep coma from green water or something completely out of left field or he is just dead and his memory will live on.
You need to rebrand into train theory or something like that, Anyway- your theory is probably correct as Victor (hopefully) isn’t that stupid to remove A MAIN CHATACTER from his series
@@TheTrainTheoristOfficial Ta! Now here's my theory with Thomas. Thomas DID die. Clinically. All his "vitals" ceased and he passed away. However, there have been very rare cases of people clinically dying with seemingly no hope of saving them and then, out of nowhere, the body's vitals jumpstart themselves back up and the person regains consciousness. For people, it is said that this autoresuscitation can occur within a 3 hour period after death is declared. Perhaps for non-faceless vehicles, this period of time is longer. How long can't be certain but at Barry's island, Thomas has time on his side. In my universe, there will be an episode where we see Thomas in the afterlife with everyone else who's died up to that point. At some point his spirit begins to fade away. Mr Starr or someone would say "It was not your time to die. You are being called back to the realm of the living." The episode would end with Thomas waking up.
I had made a comment under that video that had my speculations about Thomas being dead, I will quote it here "Has anyone else noticed when Douglas is talking to Derek about Thomas they said did he suffer? Then Derek replies with a no and says they gave him green water. They don't give green water to a dead engine. I don't know about you but something tells me Thomas isn't dead." my reply to someone here " I just realized around the time of 1965 Barry Island scrapyards had people break into it and also had a lot of engines restored."
I did see in another theory video a few weeks ago who predicted a death before it happened, characters who die aren’t in the opening title sequence. Seeing as Thomas is, tells me he isn’t going for good from the series.
@@TheTrainTheoristOfficial Joshua was still in the original intro, just on the opposite track. In the new intro, Josh is where Geoffrey was, and Dudley is where Josh was.
I always and still do hold the belief that any characters that or original to the series (ie: Reginald, Sam, Mickey, Benson, etc) have plot armor and Victor wouldn’t kill them off. Coupled with all this here (which most of it I already thought about myself) I am almost certain he isn’t dead.
(Disconnected theory) Barry actually died. Since Sir Topham Hatt said "im amazed hes even alive" im pretty sure he died. Maybe they put red water instead of green water in to him and he died. He is sent to scrapyards until he ends up in killdane. Somewhere around that time he gets revived kinda like in path of the dead.
It maybe just a train theory but at least Monika isn’t involved(oh no said it!). However something interesting I noticed while watching your vid is…Thomas’s face Keeps changing and because of the process Victor uses I doubt very much that it’s just a mistake(I think it maybe deliberate) following on from your idea maybe Thomas is doing what we all do when we fall asleep in a car, he’s waking up for brief intervals. Not enough to say or do anything but enough for his face to change expression. Maybe the engines and staff don’t notice because they’re not paying attention.
I swear if this is the reason Victor glossed over Thomas's "death"... But jokes aside, I think this is really compelling. We could all be wrong but I feel like killing off Thomas was way too good to be true.
In a short were Percy had to get blown up by a tanker and then they make a rewrite in the script and Eric is going to get blown up but he survives beacause of some gogles. Also Salty is suposed to bring the tankers. Odd coincidence Salty a docks diesel brings it and Edward says to Percy before the rewrite that he had to die beacause of character developtment and i don't think that Thomas' arc or character development. Thank you for the amazing theory.
Honestly i really hope Thomas doesnt survive, because come on, Geoffrey dies apparently on impact of What is a pretty mid crash, Peter dies from 3 bullets and metal cancer, and Thomas just survives an explosion that takes a half of his face. Not that i want Thomas to be dead, but if he can survive, why can't the others?
Geoffrey - He was an experimental engine the LMS made, which means that he was built for speed and aerodynamics. Unfortunately this meant he could be taken out easily, which is why Henry could take a beating. Peter - Dies due to stress, and metal fatigue. Bullets pierced the exact spots, rendering these hits to be more fatal. Thomas - Was a bit away from the tankers before it exploded, his face is burned, and his consciousness fading in and out. They topped him up with green water and said it to be a lost cause.
@@TheTrainTheoristOfficial Good points, and Peters death was still believable, but still i find it odd that Thomas survived despite all the damage he had recieved. I still personally have yet to make my thoughts on season 5, i think it was ok but i hate how many characters were taken out.
Now we wait for Victor to see this and say you're half right
Is that a injoke to thomas face getting blown if half?
@@zyancuerdo1615no because victor tanzig says it on all the videos related to tsos
Also cause Scot Cothon said that through games
Victor probably won't put a comment because he probably knows that this theory is correct lol
See the problem here is, Victor wrote himself into A corner here. Fake outs of the death of a main character rarely go well and require insane competence in writing. So we’ll all have to see what Victor has planned.
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So, news flash. This may somewhat be true. There's this reaction video on Fallout floating around, and Victor left a comment saying, and I quote; "Don't worry about Thomas too much. This isn't the last you've seen of him," So, Victor basically confirmed Thomas straight up isn't gone.
@@TheUmbreonGuycould ya link the video I can seem to find it?
@flashbeat9521 ya, hold up. Lemme go grab the link.
@@flashbeat9521 ua-cam.com/video/pBwU69AaXgA/v-deo.html
I asked for this and you certainly delivered my friend.
I also would’ve brought up Victor’s comment of the fact Fallout isn’t the last time we see Thomas. Also Victor is playing his death off too lightly as seen in Stories of Xmas and Sodor Answers.
In light of the most recent Sodor Answers, we can safely say that Thomas is undeniably alive.
I mean, a ton of green water just like with Barry in the same season? Yea, if Thomas is alive, he’s probably in a long, long coma
Another reason why Thomas isn't dead, The Sodor Short "What happens to a Non-Faceless engine's face when it dies?" stated that the face disappears, this was confirmed in the SCP's of Sodor episode "A Troublesome Engine" where when Johnny Cuba died his face disappeared, now you could say that Geoffrey and Peter's faces still being there when they died was due to the still having a bit of life left, but were essentially brain-dead. All this plus the points you made and the short "What are your faces made of?" tell us that Thomas isn't dead, but it'll take quite some time to repair/rebuild/overhaul him, so when, not if, WHEN Thomas returns everyone will be informed of the truth and things will return to normal for Sodor with the return of their Number 1.
Stories of Sodor is fascinating since it went from a "Thomas but with TUGS elements adapted" and got legit theories around it.
Now that I think about it, BARRY was thought to be dead, but he wasn't. In fact, he was brought back via the use of older engine parts, which Thomas would be SURROUNDED with on the island! So Victor COULD be setting up the idea of him returning!
Thomas is in Wales you know? And he’s most likely already been scrapped.
@@allison122477you do Realise most engines that went to Barry island scrapyard were saved for preservation? mainly because they were just sitting there as the scrapyard prioritised scrapping rolling stock
@@allison122477 213 engines were saved from Barry island
@@TheSudrianTerrier653 Yes, sorry, the episode was the first time I’ve ever heard of Barry Island scrapyard.
@@YimYum911 yep, out of 297 engines, that’s how many were saved, over 70% of all engines sent there
I agree with your theory. Thomas could just be in a coma and like with Barry, a little bump could make him come out of it.
What I personally would like to happen is Francis (Spamcan) goes over a rough section of track which gives Thomas a jolt to awake him up
An overjoyed Francis takes Thomas back to Sodor to be restored
While I did say that I think Thomas is dead, if he does come back then these are the stories I wanna see:
- Mr. Hall inventing a chemical that treats damage to the face and trying it out on Thomas.
- Thomas and Kate falling in love again and tying the knot - This concept was brought up in Relationships, so seeing these two getting married is a good idea.
- An adaptation of Thomas and the special letter - You can’t have that episode without Thomas
- Thomas getting his late revenge on Burk for sabotaging him in 1938
- Thomas perhaps also going throw SDC while being repaired
Who is Kate
@@jackjackbt Victor’s version of Lady
@@tudorbrancuturcu5996 ok
One of them is a story I will make for my version of Season 6……
My Theory on what could happen:
As the Men at Barry Isle try to work on Thomas they see that he is damaged beyond repair. Knowing how much of an Impact Thomas had on the world however and not wanting to let it be forgotten they start building a replica of Thomas using parts from the original. This Thomas would have a few differences such as a flat running board for example but still have the memories of the original as parts from it were used during the building process but he would also be aware of the fact he is a replica. Thomas Mk2 would leave Barry Isle and return to Sodor while the original is scrapped. Thomas Mk2 would continue the work of its predecessor while hiding the truth about him being a replica from the others.
I'd personally say that considering we have the spirit tunnel that can resurect dead characters/engines due to the supernatural presences in the world, its always an option for Thomas to be brought back. While this theory is interesting, I personally thing Victor will end up using some form of the SCP foundation's presence to bring him back-
Hey dude, great video! You’ve earned yourself a subscriber, just 2 things I’d like to say. Another point to support your theory is that “he was unconscious most of the time” and “we made sure he was filled to the brim with green water” so that implies that he might be in some kind of coma. The other thing I wanted to say was my own theory, what if Thomas comes back like Arthur? If engines are reincarnations of humans (like we see in scps of sodor) who’s to say that the same couldn’t happen with other engines? It can also explain why thomas is always seen as so young even though he’s more than 100 years old.
I knew it!! I know you said it’s just a theory but I saw a comment from Victor Tanzig himself from Miles Lee (ConrailFan76) videos saying in I quote “This isn’t the last you’ll see of Thomas”. I also told myself to have hope that he will survive and it sounds like it is a possibility. Also I like how you brought up the railway series in that Wilbert wouldn’t be writing about Thomas in his last story unless he was alive, so yeah it could definitely happen. Like you said maybe around 1971 Thomas will wake up on Barry Island and the story of a certain episode will start from there
Thomas was topped up with Green Water the entire time, as was Barry the engine. I highly doubt Barry would've been brought in when he was if his story/fate was meaningless.
If Thomas is still living, just Imagine if he has amnesia and travels round England under a new identity for a while.
I can imagine a scene where he has to be dragged back to Sodor by force and he's like "Help I'm being kid...err trainnapped!"
With the railway series connection, you could argue that Christopher kept writing about him due to him being in the books for so long and him just disappearing would seem odd to readers
Yeah. Could be.
I think i explained Thomas death because anything living ca-n have a chance of dyng in a coma and what does Green water do it puts an engine in a coma and since You ca-n die in a coma then that means Thomas injuries were so severe that when he had Green water put he died fast and painless
I beat you to the Barry Island bit by a good few days, but yeah, I also reckon he’ll end up being preserved by a preservation group browsing the scrapyard, to which they’ll reconstruct his face and totally overhaul him to running order, ending up with similar events to his trip to York in the books, and ending with him returning to Sodor
another thing is that though Tramway Engines is set in 1964, the foreword for it is likely more recent, probably 1971 or 1972, and it mentions Thomas' ego causing the Reverend to put Ghost Train in the book out of spite.
I think the biggest evidence for me that Thomas isn't dead is how the stories of sodor has based most of its episodes around with some of the engine taking on the characters traits. I'm talking about TUGS. Now like I said, the main world engine took on these traits. Gordon as tophat, Edward as Hercules, Percy as Sunshine, etc. And our beloved number 1, Tencents. And as we all know from the original munitions episode, he too got blown and survived, badly damaged but survived. Victor may have up the game with a whole "Thomas didn't make it" scene but if we go by TUGS logic then he did. Extremely damaged but and engine worth salvaging. Especially if the queen gets word of his survival.
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I’m seeing some other theories touch on this, so I’ll compile elements of them into my own theory. Thomas survived the explosion initially because his cab was protecting his boiler. Since he’s a relatively young Steamie, he likely doesn’t have metal fatigue yet, so it would take a lot to knock him out completely… unlike Peter. He is likely going to be extra “high” on Green Water for the next god knows how long he’ll spend on Barry Island, and when he wakes up, he’ll likely ask about the war, since his last memory was of an explosion.
I had a theory ages ago on another channel’s comments section, thinking that if SCPs of Sodor is getting a s2, then Thomas is collected by The Foundation, likely moved out under a frontispiece of “Sussex Central Planning,” before getting repaired and treated for PTSD and working as either a Non-Faceless MTF agent, or an imbedded agent within the Railway Inspector’s Unit
Thomas was built in 1905 in TSOS and this is all set in 1965 where he’d be 60 so not really physically that young plus metal fatigue seems to be able to affect any non faceless vehicle whether or not they’re younger or older. Peter was also physically younger than Thomas where he was built in 1935 and in 1965 when getting killed he would’ve been 30.
@@jaanshersaeed4541actually,thomas was built in 1914
@@Jintyandpugstudios356 Here in the TSOS universe he was built in 1905, this is not canon to the RWS or TV Series
@@jaanshersaeed4541 oh,alright
This all makes total sense, I really hope you are right and that Thomas didn't die.
Thomas face looks like the one of sodor dark realm
I mean, this theory is what I hope, but not what I think'll happen.
I want to say you're right, though the Sodor Answers video about what material their faces are made of might have just been a response to the question I left in the comments a few weeks prior on the "Can non-faceless vehicles drive themselves" video. As for the RWS, I think the rule would only apply to characters the Reverend hadn't introduced yet, so I don't think Thomas's appearance in Tramway Engines contradicts that. But the Barry Island bit has to be something.
Victor said this isn’t the last time we will see Thomas on a video by The nostalgic multiverse where he reacts to the episode Fallout
4:30-4:40 YO! I COMMENTED THAT LINE LAST TIME YOU MADE A STORIES OF SODOR THEORY!🙀
I also knew what Victor was doing when he said Thomas was going to Barry Island
Why is that anyway?
@@TheMrgamer2011Barry Island was famous for saving scrapped engines
Victor Tanzig did confirmed that Thomas is returning in Stories Of Sodor Season 6.
when did he do that? seems unlikely
although it could be in a flashback
Just to Clarify: He never said he would bring him back, he said he was going to do "Some intriguing things to thomas" or whatever.
@@TheTrainTheoristOfficial why does that make me nervous?
If Victor does go this general route, one way to ensure it has consequences is having Thomas suffer from amnesia, and the other engines try to help him remember.
Thomas died due to his injuries while he was unconcious since engines are like humans if someone got badly injured and put in a coma they have a posibilaty of dyng now we can apply this to thomas
There is one more detail to add which is that that W&S breakvan had died once and came back to life. Smae could be said for Thomas.
Well, I was planning on making a Thomas theory video, but it seems you and a
others beat me to the punch 😂. Great theory by the way! Hope its true.
Hmm, my theory is that Thomas is not dead, because his face is not missing. But, it seems to me, Sir Topham Hatt had 2 options, either to restore Thomas, which could hit the finances of the railway very hard, or to send Thomas to Barry Island.
Okay but look back in previous seasons about Arthur
They said Arthur was killed in the 1920s in a crashed. But another Arthur came to Sodor in the 50s with the same name, same letters same everything and that one was built in the 40s.
So my theorie is another Thomas will come to Sodor....
But that is might not be the case now i think about it because Thomas is an E2 LBSCR Class tank engine and only 13 were built and by 1963 all of them met the cutter's torch so that might not be the case but Thomas never mentioned his siblings so maybe...
Apparently somewhere Victor said that Thomas would be seen again.
With how they used Green Water with Thomas, He's most likey in some sort of coma
I made the same theory a few days ago. However, i made a bit of a different theory. It's, about that Derek said Green Water, when, if Thomas was dead, it's black water needed. I explained this in my Video you can watch, hopefully Victor does so too
It's pretty intriguing tbh.
Except black water is used to permanently sease non faceless vehicles. Giving Thomas green water as anesthetic doesn’t negate the possibility of dying from injuries. Heck Randolph was on green water but died from metal fatigue. The only fuck up comes from Johnny Cuba
Heres a answer about Thomas îs dead welp You know how humans can die in a coma or indused state aka Greene water și my theory îs that after being put in Green water while he was unconcious he died like how You ca-n die in a coma like state indused by Green water for engines black water îs bassically for engines that are sentanced to death row
@@davidthebeaststudious2960 we'll I didn't say that he could die under coma, but I believe everything else
What song you use to make that edit of stories of Sodor
might be the same case as with Brian, who died during a bombing in WW2, got rebuild and came back
i'd assume Thomas would be similarly scarred for being in a purgatory-like state as the former
My theory is, the original stories of sodor was based off tugs, it then branched off of tugs based episodes for 3 seasons, so, this new season shows munitions, a tugs based episode, with a twist, I think that due to a bad autopsy that was quick and a brush over, this means Thomas was mistakenly pronounced dead, thus leading to a funeral and send off for the little Tankie, this couples with your theory with Barry and Thomas being all the same, Thomas wakes up as the cutters start lighting their torches and wonder why the engine just screamed, thus he is sent to crovans gate, then kill Dane, and found exactly like barry
has anyone noticed that victor also makes a few videos with engines that are going to die in the series
My theory is that another E2 would have his first firing after being restored or rescued from Barry Island. He comes back the same way Arthur did.
I found this out on Wikipedia -
ABS polymers are resistant to aqueous acids, alkalis, concentrated hydrochloric and phosphoric acids and animal, vegetable and mineral oils, but they are swollen by glacial acetic acid, carbon tetrachloride and aromatic hydrocarbons and are attacked by concentrated sulfuric and nitric acids. They are soluble in esters, ketones (such as acetone), chloroform, and ethylene dichloride.[6] They also offer poor resistance to chlorinated solvents, alcohols and aldehydes.
To me Thomas is one of my favorite characters from the show and the Thomas world because he’s a character that I can relate to and for him to be gone but hopefully you’re right about your theory of him coming back like for some reason he gets moved around and comes out of his comma and is fine but that’s a pretty BIG IF though which I like to stay positive but this one is hard to swallow
I actually figured this theory that that would wake up at Barry scrapyard before hand
I sure hope thomas isn't dead
Victor did drop a comment on a reaction video for Fallout which goes along the lines of "This isn't the last time you'll see Thomas".
Perhaps a good episode title for that could be Resurrection or Reunion.
If the theories are true, then we could expect Thomas to wake up at Barry Island, surrounded by several husks of other faceless and non-faceless engines. This would cause a stir, and the news would eventually spread to Sodor, with everyone being overjoyed at the fact that Thomas managed to survive. Arrangements would soon be made to bring Thomas back to Sodor where he belongs, but not without some difficulty. Eventually, Thomas crosses the Walney Channel and returns home, with many waiting at Crovan's Gate for his gallant return (basically, the reverse of how he was sent off). Being scarred and battered, Thomas greets his old friends, and soon enough, work begins to get him back into working order, which also includes undergoing Steam-Diesel Conversion to increase his longevity. Eventually, after months of hard work, Thomas emerges from the works a new engine. Perhaps he wears an eyepatch for a while to hide the damage on his face if it never grows back. The basis for this is that in the Railway Series, Sir Handel wears an eyepatch after a tree branch injures his eye when he goes to Wales.
What kind of difficulty?
You know this reminds me of the CGI series. Thomas was restored and shipped to the island of sodor for continued service.
Specifically, rebuilt
In the movie showing Thomas's arrival they talk about a new engine arriving on the island. And that it had been so long since the last one. IE Thomas "died" was scrapped, repaired, and shipped back to sodor under a new name and life despite being the same engine
Can’t wait to see this on victors next community post 😂❤
Imagine making the main character "die" and expect is to belive that-
Thomas isn't the main character though.
Good theory, I don't think Victor would put "To be continued" at the end of Munitions and let Thomas die in the next episode. I also don't think that Barry Isle would be mentioned without some purpose in the future, and that's what shows that it will. Just to add on, the entire theme of S5 was the Hall's, which was foreshadowed all the way back in S2. I highly doubt Thomas is going to appear in the next season, cuz it kinda ruins the entire idea of Thomas dying. I think that Thomas is going to appear in the first episode of S7 OR the last episode of S6.
Also congrats on 300k views
Probably the latter
Regarding what the engines' faces are made of, I looked ABS up and, while it's used in a variety of ways, the one that stuck out to me the most was protective headgear. Emphasis on protective. If that isn't Victor telling us that Thomas is still alive, I don't know what is.
Peep peep im a really usefull weapon
I’m waiting for the “you’re half right” but I don’t think he’s gonna confirm it.
My theory is the arthur incident. He's brought back to life but he has no memories so he's a new engine
Sodor Answers Is Canon To The Sodor Shorts, Not The Stories of Sodor. It Was a Joke Answer.
But The Fact, You Included It To Your Theory Is Interesting.
Thomas is probably in a coma-like state
Maybe the mysterious cave from the SCP stories comes into play 🤨
the second you got into the barry island stuff, i figured it out
good job to you, and im hoping this is correct.
What Thomas’s character dialogue change would thomas be still the same or will he be strict?
Woah woah train theory
Whats next
Car theory?
Don't give me ideas.
You know that would’ve been a great thing for Top Gear.
i think you could make the argument that the railway series and stories of sodor are completely different canons and books may have not been relesed in the SOS canon that were in real life
Derek did say "They poured GREEN water into his tank"
He might be in a coma.
I think the idea is that Thomas is dead, but might replace by another engine made to look and act like Thomas (A replica), something a animation creator toy with the idea on his fan made channel (not saying victor are collating or the stories related), but idea of a replica Thomas being made which can have few stories with it.
Thinking the same thing when Victor said Barry’s Island
I do believe Thomas will return 7 years later.
I though the exact same thing when I watched fallout for the first time when Victor said he was going to Barry Island
So what you’re proposing is they misdiagnosed Thomas being in a coma, and assumed that he was dead. so since they sent him off to a scrap yard famous for accidentally preserving steam engines, he’ll wake up sometime within the next few years and be restored?
I just wanna make sure I understand
Edit: it is also possible that they could’ve accidentally induced Thomases coma since they said they were pumping in full of green water the entire time they were doing maintenance on him. I imagine the human equivalent would be a medically induced coma.
Pretty much, as soon as I Heard "Barry Island" I called Bullshit on him being dead. Also, I love your what if railway series video.
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Thanks
@@TheTrainTheoristOfficial
Although I feel it is very possible Victor could’ve just killed off Thomas forever, I think it would be pretty neat if he returned. Thomas is one of those characters who is just fun to write for. it feels like there are an infinite amount of stories you could tell with him just based on how we plays off of others. (Plus, let’s be real, even if his face can’t heal seeing, Thomas with a eyepatch would be pretty cool.)
Also in terms of this universe, it would feel weird that Awdry would keep telling stories about Thomas after his death. And even more bizarre that Britt would go on a television series about that same engine long after his death and completely falsify stories about him. Unless Thomas does come back in this story, that action would paint both of those creators in a bad light.
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I thought the same too.
Victor would probably not say: “Thomas will be sent to [random scrapyard] on the mainland” if it wasn’t significant. The fact that it is *Barry Island* of all scrapyards, makes me think that he will somehow pull through. I hope Victor takes his time with season 6, if you saw his community tab, he just finished the script for episode 1. I would at least like updates for this, if we have to wait until mid 2025 for this season, I would at least like to know it.
Well I mean another thing that confirms this is that in the most recent short video James says that he's healed Thomas and then it cuts to it being with no fish and on fire
Personal I think him returning is possible with all the possibilities Victor has given himself. I mean it could be like the Path of the Dead or something as simple as he was in a deep coma from green water or something completely out of left field or he is just dead and his memory will live on.
Also in the intro for fallout we can clearly see thomas in it so thats another hint
You need to rebrand into train theory or something like that,
Anyway- your theory is probably correct as Victor (hopefully) isn’t that stupid to remove A MAIN CHATACTER from his series
Thomas isnt dead, even victor said on fandom he had plans for him in the future
What's the first bgm you used?
Sonic Adventure 1 - Knuckles Theme: Unknown From M.E
@@TheTrainTheoristOfficial Ta! Now here's my theory with Thomas. Thomas DID die. Clinically. All his "vitals" ceased and he passed away. However, there have been very rare cases of people clinically dying with seemingly no hope of saving them and then, out of nowhere, the body's vitals jumpstart themselves back up and the person regains consciousness. For people, it is said that this autoresuscitation can occur within a 3 hour period after death is declared.
Perhaps for non-faceless vehicles, this period of time is longer. How long can't be certain but at Barry's island, Thomas has time on his side. In my universe, there will be an episode where we see Thomas in the afterlife with everyone else who's died up to that point. At some point his spirit begins to fade away. Mr Starr or someone would say "It was not your time to die. You are being called back to the realm of the living." The episode would end with Thomas waking up.
Maybe Victor is planning on making a Second SCP videos
Also after the death of mickey the conversation between donald and derek derek mentions: thomases tanks were filled to the brim with green water
I had made a comment under that video that had my speculations about Thomas being dead, I will quote it here "Has anyone else noticed when Douglas is talking to Derek about Thomas they said did he suffer? Then Derek replies with a no and says they gave him green water. They don't give green water to a dead engine. I don't know about you but something tells me Thomas isn't dead." my reply to someone here " I just realized around the time of 1965 Barry Island scrapyards had people break into it and also had a lot of engines restored."
Randolph.
I did see in another theory video a few weeks ago who predicted a death before it happened, characters who die aren’t in the opening title sequence. Seeing as Thomas is, tells me he isn’t going for good from the series.
That could change tbh, Geoffrey was replaced by Joshua so...
@@TheTrainTheoristOfficial Joshua was still in the original intro, just on the opposite track.
In the new intro, Josh is where Geoffrey was, and Dudley is where Josh was.
I hope that much of this turns out very true. It should.
I always and still do hold the belief that any characters that or original to the series (ie: Reginald, Sam, Mickey, Benson, etc) have plot armor and Victor wouldn’t kill them off. Coupled with all this here (which most of it I already thought about myself) I am almost certain he isn’t dead.
Spiteful brakevan: 🗿
We don’t talk about him-
Mickey IS dead, though. And with him gone, Sodor has lost its therapist, meaning there’ll be a LOT of dysfunction in Season 6.
@@Trainlover1995We’ve got Derek
@@tudorbrancuturcu5996 Derek isn’t a licensed therapist.
I hope your right about this theory because the ending of victor tanzigs season 5 was like a rock landing in my stomach
Now we wait for the next stories of Sodor seasons to see if this is right
I hope it is
Don’t forget “ the overhaul”
Happy Early New Year.
But what if they decided to make the book a tribute to thomas
Could be.
(Disconnected theory)
Barry actually died. Since Sir Topham Hatt said "im amazed hes even alive" im pretty sure he died. Maybe they put red water instead of green water in to him and he died. He is sent to scrapyards until he ends up in killdane. Somewhere around that time he gets revived kinda like in path of the dead.
If you ask me victor should do another Barry styled episode where Thomas wakes up and be like where am I
I’m more concerned about what the other engines are going to feel weather they’re going to be angered or happy is up for debate
I imagine happy for Thomas and pissed at Mr. Hall
didn't Tanzig say on a comment on a video that thomas isn't dead and he will make a return in season 6?
He never said that, only that "He has things planned for Thomas" I can hazard a guess that it might be Shed 17 stuff, but Idk.
Thomas IS Dead. But He Might Be Revived In a Future Season.
It maybe just a train theory but at least Monika isn’t involved(oh no said it!). However something interesting I noticed while watching your vid is…Thomas’s face Keeps changing and because of the process Victor uses I doubt very much that it’s just a mistake(I think it maybe deliberate) following on from your idea maybe Thomas is doing what we all do when we fall asleep in a car, he’s waking up for brief intervals. Not enough to say or do anything but enough for his face to change expression. Maybe the engines and staff don’t notice because they’re not paying attention.
And that's just a theory A TRAIN THEORY
I swear if this is the reason Victor glossed over Thomas's "death"...
But jokes aside, I think this is really compelling. We could all be wrong but I feel like killing off Thomas was way too good to be true.
Well looks like i was a bit late getting a project out, good video and interesting points, i feel like thomas isnt gonna die
In a short were Percy had to get blown up by a tanker and then they make a rewrite in the script and Eric is going to get blown up but he survives beacause of some gogles. Also Salty is suposed to bring the tankers. Odd coincidence Salty a docks diesel brings it and Edward says to Percy before the rewrite that he had to die beacause of character developtment and i don't think that Thomas' arc or character development.
Thank you for the amazing theory.
Wow this is a super interesting theory do more please
Honestly i really hope Thomas doesnt survive, because come on, Geoffrey dies apparently on impact of What is a pretty mid crash, Peter dies from 3 bullets and metal cancer, and Thomas just survives an explosion that takes a half of his face. Not that i want Thomas to be dead, but if he can survive, why can't the others?
Geoffrey - He was an experimental engine the LMS made, which means that he was built for speed and aerodynamics. Unfortunately this meant he could be taken out easily, which is why Henry could take a beating.
Peter - Dies due to stress, and metal fatigue. Bullets pierced the exact spots, rendering these hits to be more fatal.
Thomas - Was a bit away from the tankers before it exploded, his face is burned, and his consciousness fading in and out. They topped him up with green water and said it to be a lost cause.
@@TheTrainTheoristOfficial Good points, and Peters death was still believable, but still i find it odd that Thomas survived despite all the damage he had recieved. I still personally have yet to make my thoughts on season 5, i think it was ok but i hate how many characters were taken out.
@@annagolaszewska2816Honestly the dumbest death of this Season was Both Mickey and Mr. Zorro.
@@TheTrainTheoristOfficial yee, mickeys death just kinda happened, plus it was just lilys death again