Phoenix is simply way more effective and in a safer position in the front lines brawling with res than at a distance. Arrows get blocked, sun rays no reg frequently if you fire it into team fights at a distance and you are less vulnerable to spiders/enderman. In fact, the bow eph nerf didn’t really do anything and incentivised meleeing more. I wouldn’t be opposed to shifting the class’s focus to range, but as it stands now, there are too many issues at hand for this transition to be done well. Pretty well done tier list overall though
I agree with a lot of this tierlist honestly think it’s super balanced in the place it is right now, but the only class I think needs to be nerfed a bit is Herobrine although I think it’s in a good place right now it just does a crazy amount of damage, maybe reduce the time of strength on Herobrine and give it dia boots or something idk I just think it does a crazy amount of damage especially in a hole it can wipe out a whole team in seconds if you know how to use the class
herobrine is about damage , but you litterally sacrifice all ur armor points , litterall glass cannon so id let it like that because either you die very quickly either you do alot damage , ik flurry is op but still doesnt help that munch in a hole fight or any general fight
Sometimes I feel that in regards to perspectives for game balance, current game meta severely impacts how a class is viewed as strong or weak. Like in the case of werewolf, the class's niche is to be a mobile tank, a class which can do well on surface while also not having as problematic defense or sustain as other mobility classes. But generally people compare werewolf closer to tank classes like zombie or squid, since current meta still is fairly hole-centric for fights. That of course is something that is planned to get addressed with phase 3 (whenever that happens), but it is still interesting to see nonetheless. Besides that, I also want to talk about class strength and how that relates to class skill floors. Generally speaking, when you have a system in place where not every class made is of equal skill requirements to be successful, you need to have some pull given to those which are harder to play. Sometimes it's due to the enjoyment of the mechanics, other times is because you are more rewarded when you play well. It's the skill floor / ceiling discussion that exists in any competitive videogame, basically. And that reward is how a harder class can have people actually pick it over others, in many cases. I mean, why would you play a harder character in a competitive game if you are rewarded an equal amount as an easier character? That's why when in MW balancing, there are some classes like Skeleton, or Snowman, or Pirate which are very good classes, argued to be the best classes in the game, that are in some ways fine to be at the top, because of the added difficulty necessary to do well with them. Skeleton requires excellent bow aiming with a punishing 7 second speed 2 cooldown downtime if you get pinned or trapped. Combined with the phase 2 change to energy gain, you also can't simply rely on lower charged shots to do DPS, as you will still be kept vulnerable in close quarters. Spider relies on good ability aiming with Leap, something that opponents can also play around and bait, forcing the spider to take self damage and rely only on venom strikes for general DPS. But on good leaps, you have a huge burst advantage in health for a fight. Pirate relies on good management between Parrots behaviors, getting good drops from sea treasure kills, and understanding when to push and when to fall back. Because for with how strong Pirate is in 1v1 fights, it does not do nearly as well when going against a group. Snowman is a class that relies significantly on energy management to do well, with many different moving parts that can leave you into a vulnerable position if you make an error. Bolts for damage and pinning a fleeing opponent, Blizzard for snow mining to chase down opponents in holes or flee from others. Blizzard slowness to get a movement advantage in fights. Blizzard healing to have sustain between fights. Snowman mobs to gain energy and act as crowd control. Bunch of extremely good perks that all rely on energy gain, but if used in the wrong situation, it leaves you very vulnerable to opponents. And so on and so forth. Of course that doesn't mean these classes are in the best designs currently, there always can be some changes made (when they're possible) to make sure that the rewards and risks for stronger (high skill floor / ceiling) classes are well designed, to prevent class centralization. It's why Skeleton was nerfed last patch, for example, since it needed a bigger punish when doing poorly. Hence the focus on energy gain over Power 4, since the former would actively impact energy values for low charged shots (i.e. situations that are more close quarters), as well as toning down the damage output a smidge with one more hit for each ability at max charge shots. But also Power 3 would just not be anything remotely good of a nerf, since it's at best a reduction of 3 untrue damage at max bow shot (critical shots). For a game which has 60% damage reduction at minimum (full iron), you're talking about a 1.2 damage difference at best. In most cases, especially as kit armor values has generally been buffed over the years, it's more likely to be less than 1 damage difference per *fully charged shot*. Snowman is a class that could also have some between risk with its energy gain, by for example making the "continue to have EPS" threshold after using Blizzard something like 25 energy instead of 0 energy. And Phoenix is an issue more of support centralization after the cow nerf, which is a problem but not one that can easily be fixed currently without another balance patch (which won't be anytime soon). For what it's worth, though, Cow is still a viable support class when considering refreshing sip healing combined with soothing moo healing (instant 4 HP + regeneration IIII). Not a chugbot anymore, of course, but still has its value. Last thing I want to talk about is regarding solo comp vs team comp with these types of tier lists. A lot of classes are stronger in solo situations and in other cases, in team situations. Honestly, I feel the community over-relies on solo for talking about class balance without considering the general design goal of the game is working with your team. This is definitely in part due to the general competitive "statistic" people care about being finals, and that the method to win games is having the team with the most finals. Due to this, classes which can survive long term and pick players off (enderman, skeleton, spider, hunter, etc.) are rewarded in the community's eyes, whereas classes which aren't the best at surviving but can demolish or cripple groups of enemies (creeper, arcanist, shaman, etc.) are less rewarded in the community's eyes. Not to mention that class synergy in team comps are not really talked about when considering balance. Yeah, sure, a class like arcanist has pretty poor survivability in a fight. It's a weakness that is part of the class design. But what happens when that arcanist is paired with a teammate cow or phoenix? Suddenly, you now have a class with better survivability and able to shred opponents in a very short amount of time. Of course this is not something that is easy to make a metric on regarding class "balance" or tier lists at large, but it's something I wish more people considered. Especially in regards to what classes receive balance changes and how those changes are made. Anyways, it's nice to see a video discussing the patch on YT. Been wanting to watch some of these myself.
I agree with everything except the skeleton part, and phoenix doesn't really need another mf nerf at least rework a small bit of it before giving it the cow treatment
The video was overall good, but next time write a script so you don't stutter as much and the video sounds cleaner. Sure it will be a bit shorter but a much enjoyable experience
Also since I just finished the vid, Pirate should get a sea legs nerf from abs 2 to abs 1, hunter should get halfed healing from bow shots during eagle eye, spider should deal less damage on a max damage leap and in general, and snowman companion passive should get reworked. Problem with snowman is that ice bolts are meant to be a great burst of damage, but why would you use snow for that when you can use pirate which is way too op but it's just boring, that's why no one plays it. Snowman doesn't need a nerf, you rarely see a snowman in dm, and the fact that i'm the only player who plays snowman, shows that. Only thing it needs is the one passive rework. Also fuck Skelton. Anyways if someone read allat ily 🙏
Phoenix is simply way more effective and in a safer position in the front lines brawling with res than at a distance. Arrows get blocked, sun rays no reg frequently if you fire it into team fights at a distance and you are less vulnerable to spiders/enderman. In fact, the bow eph nerf didn’t really do anything and incentivised meleeing more. I wouldn’t be opposed to shifting the class’s focus to range, but as it stands now, there are too many issues at hand for this transition to be done well.
Pretty well done tier list overall though
God I love the sound of your voice
creeper is an A+ tier class atleast its one of the most broken classes in the game people jsut dont know how to play it
I agree with a lot of this tierlist honestly think it’s super balanced in the place it is right now, but the only class I think needs to be nerfed a bit is Herobrine although I think it’s in a good place right now it just does a crazy amount of damage, maybe reduce the time of strength on Herobrine and give it dia boots or something idk I just think it does a crazy amount of damage especially in a hole it can wipe out a whole team in seconds if you know how to use the class
herobrine is about damage , but you litterally sacrifice all ur armor points , litterall glass cannon so id let it like that because either you die very quickly either you do alot damage , ik flurry is op but still doesnt help that munch in a hole fight or any general fight
tbf herobrine has basically no armor in exchange
@@yurikagarinstan674 thats how a glass cannon is built , healing + damage but no ehp
exactly! thats why i dont think it needs a nerf@@Dudu_Gm
I remember when i last played MW like in 2018 and werewolf was the best class, sad to see him in such a bad position
Sometimes I feel that in regards to perspectives for game balance, current game meta severely impacts how a class is viewed as strong or weak. Like in the case of werewolf, the class's niche is to be a mobile tank, a class which can do well on surface while also not having as problematic defense or sustain as other mobility classes. But generally people compare werewolf closer to tank classes like zombie or squid, since current meta still is fairly hole-centric for fights. That of course is something that is planned to get addressed with phase 3 (whenever that happens), but it is still interesting to see nonetheless.
Besides that, I also want to talk about class strength and how that relates to class skill floors. Generally speaking, when you have a system in place where not every class made is of equal skill requirements to be successful, you need to have some pull given to those which are harder to play. Sometimes it's due to the enjoyment of the mechanics, other times is because you are more rewarded when you play well. It's the skill floor / ceiling discussion that exists in any competitive videogame, basically. And that reward is how a harder class can have people actually pick it over others, in many cases. I mean, why would you play a harder character in a competitive game if you are rewarded an equal amount as an easier character?
That's why when in MW balancing, there are some classes like Skeleton, or Snowman, or Pirate which are very good classes, argued to be the best classes in the game, that are in some ways fine to be at the top, because of the added difficulty necessary to do well with them.
Skeleton requires excellent bow aiming with a punishing 7 second speed 2 cooldown downtime if you get pinned or trapped. Combined with the phase 2 change to energy gain, you also can't simply rely on lower charged shots to do DPS, as you will still be kept vulnerable in close quarters.
Spider relies on good ability aiming with Leap, something that opponents can also play around and bait, forcing the spider to take self damage and rely only on venom strikes for general DPS. But on good leaps, you have a huge burst advantage in health for a fight.
Pirate relies on good management between Parrots behaviors, getting good drops from sea treasure kills, and understanding when to push and when to fall back. Because for with how strong Pirate is in 1v1 fights, it does not do nearly as well when going against a group.
Snowman is a class that relies significantly on energy management to do well, with many different moving parts that can leave you into a vulnerable position if you make an error. Bolts for damage and pinning a fleeing opponent, Blizzard for snow mining to chase down opponents in holes or flee from others. Blizzard slowness to get a movement advantage in fights. Blizzard healing to have sustain between fights. Snowman mobs to gain energy and act as crowd control. Bunch of extremely good perks that all rely on energy gain, but if used in the wrong situation, it leaves you very vulnerable to opponents.
And so on and so forth.
Of course that doesn't mean these classes are in the best designs currently, there always can be some changes made (when they're possible) to make sure that the rewards and risks for stronger (high skill floor / ceiling) classes are well designed, to prevent class centralization. It's why Skeleton was nerfed last patch, for example, since it needed a bigger punish when doing poorly. Hence the focus on energy gain over Power 4, since the former would actively impact energy values for low charged shots (i.e. situations that are more close quarters), as well as toning down the damage output a smidge with one more hit for each ability at max charge shots. But also Power 3 would just not be anything remotely good of a nerf, since it's at best a reduction of 3 untrue damage at max bow shot (critical shots). For a game which has 60% damage reduction at minimum (full iron), you're talking about a 1.2 damage difference at best. In most cases, especially as kit armor values has generally been buffed over the years, it's more likely to be less than 1 damage difference per *fully charged shot*.
Snowman is a class that could also have some between risk with its energy gain, by for example making the "continue to have EPS" threshold after using Blizzard something like 25 energy instead of 0 energy. And Phoenix is an issue more of support centralization after the cow nerf, which is a problem but not one that can easily be fixed currently without another balance patch (which won't be anytime soon). For what it's worth, though, Cow is still a viable support class when considering refreshing sip healing combined with soothing moo healing (instant 4 HP + regeneration IIII). Not a chugbot anymore, of course, but still has its value.
Last thing I want to talk about is regarding solo comp vs team comp with these types of tier lists. A lot of classes are stronger in solo situations and in other cases, in team situations. Honestly, I feel the community over-relies on solo for talking about class balance without considering the general design goal of the game is working with your team. This is definitely in part due to the general competitive "statistic" people care about being finals, and that the method to win games is having the team with the most finals. Due to this, classes which can survive long term and pick players off (enderman, skeleton, spider, hunter, etc.) are rewarded in the community's eyes, whereas classes which aren't the best at surviving but can demolish or cripple groups of enemies (creeper, arcanist, shaman, etc.) are less rewarded in the community's eyes. Not to mention that class synergy in team comps are not really talked about when considering balance. Yeah, sure, a class like arcanist has pretty poor survivability in a fight. It's a weakness that is part of the class design. But what happens when that arcanist is paired with a teammate cow or phoenix? Suddenly, you now have a class with better survivability and able to shred opponents in a very short amount of time. Of course this is not something that is easy to make a metric on regarding class "balance" or tier lists at large, but it's something I wish more people considered. Especially in regards to what classes receive balance changes and how those changes are made.
Anyways, it's nice to see a video discussing the patch on YT. Been wanting to watch some of these myself.
i aint readin allat 💀
25 > 20 eph did nothing to nerf skele + buff renegade
I agree with everything except the skeleton part, and phoenix doesn't really need another mf nerf at least rework a small bit of it before giving it the cow treatment
we got a chatterbox over here boys, I am NOT readin allat 💀💀
Wonder if a phase 3 will ever come out... I really think Codename_B wanted to do things in good faith but ended up digging up a hole after the update.
Renegade ain’t that bad😵💫
creeper needs to be higher and enderman is still like in S+ or broken tier imo.
Where can I see the list of changes?
holy shit, ik dacht al meer dan 6 maand dat je america man was :_:
splendid
Is this still up to date?
What’s the hardest skin to unlock in mega walls ? Or most rare
trick guardian or pikachu one of those three i think
I don't think endy has a+ grades, I hope you can prove it
when new vid ?
Squid S tier
The video was overall good, but next time write a script so you don't stutter as much and the video sounds cleaner. Sure it will be a bit shorter but a much enjoyable experience
Also since I just finished the vid, Pirate should get a sea legs nerf from abs 2 to abs 1, hunter should get halfed healing from bow shots during eagle eye, spider should deal less damage on a max damage leap and in general, and snowman companion passive should get reworked. Problem with snowman is that ice bolts are meant to be a great burst of damage, but why would you use snow for that when you can use pirate which is way too op but it's just boring, that's why no one plays it. Snowman doesn't need a nerf, you rarely see a snowman in dm, and the fact that i'm the only player who plays snowman, shows that. Only thing it needs is the one passive rework. Also fuck Skelton. Anyways if someone read allat ily 🙏
@@bambolegend WAAA WAAA WAAAA NERF PIRATE SEA LEGS SO GRR GRRR GRRRISTA CANT KILL ME ANYMORE WAAA WAAA WAAA
@@grr2292 go back to florence lil bro
@@bambolegend unfunny
@@grr2292my honest reaction to your message
Rank players next and include me so I don’t feel hurt
who knows
Werewolf is s tier
That’s what I’m saying
bro how
go back to posting hole in the wall content bro
@@swag8804 best game on hypixel
Hahahaha why were you actually crying when speaking about phx
it needs to get nerfed 😢
Ww shoud be b + at least dreadlord A
someone hasnt played ww and it shows