The animation is surprisingly high-quality for being a commercial for Action 52 of all things, clearly they paid more for that ad than they paid their programmers lmao
The later one with the pancakes? Two things can be true, I guess. It definitely seems like they were aware they were over-exaggerating hoping for that "so bad it's good" feel but instead achieving "so bad it's beyond pathetic and I feel sympathy for everyone who tried to steer them clear of this but were ignored"
this wasn't mentioned in the video but Japan memed the absolute hell out of Cheetahmen in 2007 on NicoNicoDouga and UA-cam, 3 years before AVGN even talked about it and that's always been fascinating to me for some reason.
Japan really is living in the future. Their advanced entertainment industry. Their even more soul crushing work culture. Their completely collapsed birthrate. We’ll be there one day soon.
Maybe it fascinates you because Westerners do the same things to older weird Japanese things so knowing they do the same thing with our thrown out garbage is kind of amusing?
ah that makes sense! The rage flash game Syoban Action (Cat Mario) used Cheetahmen music and I had no idea why that would be the case until seeing this comment
At the National Video Game Museum in Texas they actually have a whole dedicated exhibit just for Action 52 & Cheetahmen II (and yes, including the AVGN video; edited for family audiences) EDIT: Apparently it was only a temporary exhibit
@@mary-annabederman7874indeed, you can't even deny that if you heard of the game it was due how incredibly terrible it was... Made popular by the UA-camr famous for raging at crap games. This is not a scam in any sense. At most this is people with money being idiots and not putting two and two together and then being shocked that the game famous for being terrible is .. terrible.
from 2009-2016, it seemed like any NES/SNES game a UA-camr made a video about instantly doubled or tripled in value. it was insane. There were posts on Nintendo age where collectors were trying to guess what games they needed to add to their collection before a video was made and the price went up so high they wouldn't want to buy it.
They don’t qualify as big cats at all. The big cats are the pantherines, and essentially only include the various Panthera species (Panthera leo, Panthera tigris, etc.). Cheetahs are felines, which includes house cats, ocelots, and pumas
@@Arcademan09 Lions if you were to apply human logic. Each male lion usually has a harem of lionesses around them at all times. Tigers are sigmas because they always hunt alone. Plus they act more like house cats. They even do meows but because of their vocal cords being so deep it sounds like cow moos.
they're endangered too and one of the reasons its been so difficult to breed them is because they're too nervous to mate. they need emotional support dogs to gain the confidence to keep their species alive
It's crazy how quickly the internet has reduced people's vocabulary. I know saying "this is like Greg Orwin's Nineteen Eighty Animal Farm" is cliche, but it is literally like the part in 1984 where a guy talks about reducing the number of words in the language to destroy people's ability to think critically.
i would much rather shift the blame on the system being somehow more restrictive than TV parental guildlines, demonitizing channels and shadowbanning comments for saying rather tame stuff
@@Abcdefg-tf7cuI don't think it's more so people dumbing it down but UA-cam itself. I follow true crime channels and at least one mentioned that if they use certain words they get demonetized. That said I feel you. I get that it's because of demonetization but I hate it when channels say "She was found .... and he confessed that he ..... her on the back." Or just using a lot of beeps. I really hate the beeps. It takes you away from what they're saying.
To me, imo, the most surprising part of this whole Cheetahmen saga is the fact that this Kickstarter wasn't a scam, and people actually got something out of it. Even if it was still shit.
tbf everyone had the information to know what they were paying for was shit before hand the only people who got burned were people who either were mad that shit was being sold or somehow got it in their heads that it would actually not be shit
The fact the guy who created Action 52 actually thought doing a multicart "legally" was a goldmine is hilarious. Kids didn't love it because it had 50-in-1, they loved it because it was all their favorite games bundled together cheaply and easily accessible This isn't hard to understand 😂
And there in lies the rub. Multicarts are cheap when they are rom hacks of existing games. Programming all the games from scratch defeated the whole purpose of its economic value.
@interstellarsurfer Honestly, they probably didn't even bother with the effort of pirating: The Action 52 was so cheaply made, it was basically 5 games duplicated 10 or so times with some minor aesthetic changes...
It is hard to understand when you don't take video game seriously and don't think they're actually fun or that any one video game is necessarily more fun than any other video game
Thank you MagicMush for the mention, and great video! I remember back when Action 52 and Cheetahmen came out, the story behind games was really something. I wasn't sure what to do with my channel at the time, but it was definitely fun experimenting with the gaming side of things. I watched a lot of AVGN videos and wanted to try my hand at gaming to see where it would go. At first I didn't agree with the whole Cheetahmen 2 return, but as time went on, I felt bad for giving Greg and James a hard time since it was all done in good fun, and for collectors, so overtime, I grew to appreciate it and still own my copies to this very day, and I'm thankful James and Greg did that for the fans. Keep up the good work on the videos, you're awesome!
Strangely the Cheetahmen bring Biker Mice from Mars to mind since both center on a trio of male anthropomorphized mammals. Big difference being that Biker Mice from Mars was a pair of decent cartoons instead of a pair of NES shovelware games.
@@j.2512 When I was like 10 years old, I took swimming lessons at an indoor pool at the local high school. One day I brought in my goggles to look underwater, and someone had placed a Street Shark toy behind the observation window. I had never seen the show and it scared the absolute FUCK outta me but I was too embarrassed to tell anyone. I stopped bringing my goggles and I swam for my life every time I had to do laps in the deep end. ...I got over it eventually, but damn if that wasn't a core memory 😅
and then you have UFO 50, with 6 developers and 50 games in one, that range from alright to absolutely amazing. Goes to show that this multi-game concept can work, it just takes time, effort and talent.
Honestly, they probably should of just licensed the games from other developers in the same "Unlicensed" part of the market. Stuff like the Maxi-15 was actually not all that bad for what it was.
“Why was the nerd advertising a game he called complete 💩” It’s the same reason why he tells his viewers not to play these games, yet they ended up buying from retro game stores and playing. I know my brother did that exact thing with a few games. James decided to boost up on his reverse psychology sway while getting paid mucho bucks.
I do remember seeing comments on AVGN videos during the early 2010's calling them out for supporting this campaign. I honestly had no idea what this was really all about for years but it was in the back of my mind all this time.
Early 2010's UA-cam and internet culture is very refreshing to see again. It feels so much more real and low budget. I can't believe I'm feeling nostalgia for it now that im in my 30's
I miss the pre-cringe internet, honestly. A lot of the videos were a mess, but I appreciated the authenticity of people just ranting about stuff they were passionate about, and not caring if it looked silly.
Same that was the period when the content creator culture on UA-cam took off but the large scale monetization and profiting from it had not quite started yet so UA-camrs were essentially free to do whatever they wanted i miss those time man
@@SpikeJet2736 No it wasn't lol. Take off the rose tinted glasses, people said whatever the fuck they wanted back then too. It was less commercialized though, that's true.
I was thinking the same. Like yeah the game is still bad, but they got what they were promised... Also you didn't need to pay up, it was up to you. This feels like a big nothing burger to me.
In hindsight this feels like the most nothingburger drama that will be forgotten with time. Greg feels like that one eccentric uncle who really likes buff cheetahs but is actually a pretty chill dude.
The fact that he has several forms of peculiar cheetah-themed decorations in his mansion supports the hypothesis that he just _really_ likes buff cheetahs.
@@gregpabich "Who doesn't have a cheetah throne in their house? I keep it right next to my cheetah statue shrine, on the cheetah skin carpet. This is in the same room where I have the cheetah candle holders."
Sorry for the strange editing in the middle of the video, I've attempted to upload this God forsaken video 4 times, and each time, Screenwave wasn't having it. This was purely for entertainment purposes ffs let me have this.
“Saddam Hussein? No! Relax buddy! I’m not him!” -Matt Stone, playing that very dictator in South Park, in an episode that ends with him getting beaten up by Canadians, who then parade his beaten body around town
I honestly don't understand why people were legitimately angry about this. Suspicious, sure, I understand that. That campaign was fishy. And wanting answers was very reasonable. But getting mad? Yeah, the game is bad, but that's why people were even interested in it in the first place. It's a piece of video game history, and that makes it worth something. Producing more legitimate copies and selling them to the public is also a huge boon to video game preservation. Selling a bad game is not some terrible sin, especially when the people selling it aren't trying to advertise it as a good game.
This exactly, I understand fans being upset about their fave content creators "selling out" but capitalizing on the publicity to sell more copies- even through a KS, which turned out to be legit- doesn't seem like it should be controversial. People were buying it due to the novelty- not because it was a good game, they already knew the game was total ass. Honesty I'd consider getting a copy because it IS a funny story and moment from video game history, and I'm sure AF not paying thousands for a copy.
Especially in a world where bad games ARE advertised as good ones every day, and the usual reaction to spending $70 on a rushed piece of garbage is "oh well, easy come easy go."
Admittedly, the bar for controversies back on early UA-cam (even if I'd argue 2012 is the very tail end of that era) were rock bottom. People were more passionate (or just pettier) and stakes were much lower than nowadays, so I suppose this would pass off as controversial then even if it's a load of nothing now.
Yeah, fact is people are just kinda desperate to dunk on James for any reason lol, be it they don't like his style of comedy or idk, they got banned from the subreddit lol
Yeah this kind of seems like a specialty reproduction cart sold at a relatively reasonable price for a collector's item, done as a kickstarter probably to see if anyone actually wanted that, and evidently had a production managed smoothly There were some issues at the fringes - deleting criticism, skepticism at the people involved - but that's not unusual for any project of this nature "Well, why endorse a bad game on purpose?" Because it's fun! Sometimes it's fun to own a terrible game! This isn't deceptive, and I can't be mad at someone for selling me exactly what I asked for, with no strings attached
Those perverts have been around for decades; they were just confined to their own conventions before the internet. There was some guy back when Tiny Toon Adventures was airing that got obsessed with the purple skunk character and allegedly stalked her voice actress.
This does seem to get forgotten whenever AVGN controversies are brought up. I think entirely because the Kickstarter turned out to be legit. If the dude actually had taken the money and run, James probably wouldn't have recovered.
Oh hey, I noticed the green Earthbound-like background around the middle of the video, I had actually made that myself for a project years ago, it’s great to see it’s still getting use! I’m glad you liked it enough to use it like this.😄
Yall must be smoking nut because the real golden entry is Haunted Hill featuring Mrs. Tits. Truly one of the most fleshed out female protags of all time behind Lara Croft and Bayonetta😼
Action 52 and Cheetahmen are 2 of my favorite AVGN videos to this day! Thank you my fellow sperg, thank you for this pure blast of Nostalgia from better times.
@@Capydapy as funny as it would have been, unfortunately myth busted. (Chris Lynn, vice prez of programming at MTV, says this of the 2012 final season decision in a CNN interview: " As successful as the show is, we don't want to be in a situation where we're milking every ratings point out of a franchise until the end. Our audience demands reinvention and is always looking for what's new. As tempting as it is to squeeze something to the end, we made what we think is the right, tough choice to end the show on top.") 2012 was the year of the mayan apocalypse hysteria, I don't get why people make shit up when there's way funnier "believed 2012 was the end of the world because the mayan calendar ends in 2012 of the Gregorian calendar" shit that got claimed and believed. (as aside, mayan calendars are 400 years long. they just didn't get to make the 2013-2412 calendar, that's why it stops at 2012. That they made that many calendars is already impressive enough, it's like if our calendar companies made calendars for 3015 and you could buy them in stores.) - The story started with claims that Nibiru, a supposed planet discovered by the Sumerians, is headed toward Earth. This catastrophe was initially predicted for May 2003, but when nothing happened the doomsday date was moved forward to December 2012. (This (and the one below) is from NASA, btw. That they had to talk about the woowoo imaginary planet from ancient alien conspiracies seriously at all is both amusing and depressing.) - Other rumors - that the Earth's magnetic field will suddenly reverse or that the planet will travel almost 30,000 light-years and fall into the black hole at the center of the Milky Way galaxy - were also dismissed. (A light-year is the distance light travels in one year, or about 6 trillion miles, or 10 trillion km.) - This rumor, circulating in spam emails, claims that NASA is predicting a total Earth blackout between Dec. 23 and Dec. 25 [of 2012]. Some emails claim that this blackout will occur as the result of the sun and Earth aligning for the first time, while others spin a wild tale about Earth entering "a still ring" called the Photonic belt [and turning into "galactic humans" in the "Age of Light" through DNA mutations]. Whatever the alleged cause, this is simply not going to happen, according to NASA. "There is no such alignment," agency officials write. (from yahoo news) And that's without talking about all the rapture doomsday cults and televangelistry quacks.
I honestly wouldn’t mind the Cheetahmen coming back someday. Seriously. I could imagine a fully open world in the savanah where you play as the three cheetahmen to stop the evil guy from the cheetahmen games.
@@zu__880 i mean it's the Cheetahmen, it'd be weird if the game was actually GOOD instead of blatant cash grab genre of the year. (it was intended to be a cash grab of the TMNT games (sidescrolling beat em ups) originally, so being a shitty trend chaser checks out)
@@Arcademan09 iirc Bimmy gofunded $300/350k for the AVGN movie. During the filming of the movies Bames bought a new house. It's speculated he bought the house with some of the fundraiser money. There is no concert evidence to this, with the exception of his wife possibly bragging to friends about buying their new house with that money.
Just for the curious who haven't seen James' episode, the last two levels of Cheetahmen II ARE playable through a glitch, and James does showcase them in the video. Skipped here for time and pacing, I assume. Total classic though, go watch it after this, and if you want more deep dive on the creation Octav1usKing did a good one a while back, avoiding covering the same info James did. I'd take another from Gaming Historian though if he ever feels like it, it's a very rich subject.
Ironically, Concord is to Sony what Cheetahmen was to that guy. Indeed, Sony seriously intended Concord to be an entire franchise (and not just any random franchise, but their flagship franchise that they would be known for), including several games, animated series (which they would, and in fact will be publishing on Netflix), paraphernalia, etc. And, just like Cheetahmen, Concord failed spectacularly. Difference is that Cheetahmen cost a few thousands bucks to make, and was made in a few months, while Concord cost hundreds of millions and took 8 years to make.
I want to remind everyone that Pat the NES punk tarnished his own reputation by clowning on people who were dissapointed on the Diablo Immortal reveal at Blizzcon 2018.
Wow, what a hot take. I guess Pat is the literal Devil for doing this... or DIABLO. But seriously, you think that tarnished his entire reputation? Damn. Internet peoples are so fickle.
Discovered your channel recently and I just had to binge watch all your videos. The topics, the editing and the humor, all top notch. You are a great content creator bud.
I'm proud to live in the same timeline where a Mexican cartoon cheetah in a karate outfit convinced at least two people to buy the worst video game ever
I mean it could’ve been done without it because the dude already had loads of cash but I hoped the money was at least partially given to the action 52/ cheetahmen ii devs
I wasn't into stuff like TMZ & dirt sheets back then but it was kind of fun to watch all of the retro game UA-camrs fighting it out. I knew a lot of this but you did a good job laying it all out.
16:20 I say this now as a collector, sometimes it is funny owning a terrible game just to laugh at it, especially if its rare. Maybe it's because the times have changed but i don't really see an issue with wanting to sell a patched reproduction of a rare game. The marketing could have definitely been better, those ads were terrible, i dont remember them at all
@@themonsterunderyourbed9408 Concord at least has a functional game in there under all the impressively borked character and set design decisions. What's a better cautionary tale than one that can honestly say, "we make Gollum, Concord, and Ride To Hell Retribution look competent"?
Thearchfiend is so insufferable, You could tell he really only wanted to stir up the pot and continue his crusade which started with Jame's own crowfunding to get his movie made, back then better known as e-begging
I don't think you can really call this a scam. Those people willingly paid for an atrocious product at a ludicrous price. All completely of their own volition.
The top tier of insane trash being people with the cash and blinded by passion will always be a fascinating study. Manos, the Room, Megalopolis, this. Just incredible to see the train go off the rails . Edit: and then Kickstarter showed up… oh no, bro.
Lmao me too a few weeks ago. Got all of the achievements like i planned on doing but i played for way longer after because there weren't achievements for side content
I think what people forget during this whole incident is that Kickstarter/Indiegogo/online crowdfunding wasn't exactly a well-known concept to the masses, remember, this wasn't 2012/2013 when there were nothing but kickstarters left and right for everything under the sun - this was still 2009/2010, and people thought you could make enough money off ad revenue on UA-cam. The exact same situation happened when James announced the AVGN movie Indiegogo shortly after, he was very humble and honest about his pitch and how weird it felt to be e-begging, and people just TROUNCED on him, saying that he's going to keep scamming people by using only the intended 75,000 to make the movie and POCKET the remaining 300k for himself, not knowing anything about how movies are made, to the point where they compared it to Kickassia, as if it was some sort of standard. That was kind of a death for old-school AVGN (for those that cared, at least) because a LOT of people turned on him and just started being mean for no reason, which didn't help later on when the AVGN movie dropped and it wasn't particularly good.
Mush, I appreciate you making these videos. You offer a lot of variety and talk about some obscure topics I would’ve never heard of! I wish you could talk about The Great Mute of 2012 from Habbo Hotel. I was a part of that, and it was definitely an event that spoke about serious issues regarding PDF files.
It's not even a controversy, the guy promised to add a few levels and he did it. Nobody was REQUIRED to pay for the kickstarter and he's selling copies of a game that previously cost thousands of dollars for a hundred or so bucks.
Literally nobody in this entire non-troversy did anything wrong. They advertised shit, and they delivered on it, nobody got scammed or anything, you got what you paid for and thats on you. Like dudes really tried to cancel James over "the guy known for playing shitty games for a living was involved with a surprisingly legit kickstarter for a shitty game" like there were youtubers grooming kids n shit and this was the guy people tried to cancel.
I just don't understand how someone can see themselves as entitled enough that they think they're owed an apology from a youtuber, whose videos they watched for free, for being involved with a project like that. Yeah, it's a shit game, and the people that will buy it are literally buying it because it's such a shit game. And the guy that did it has no obligation to use his own money to do it. People can buy into the kickstarter or not. It's there to start businesses, not as a charity. He delivered on his promise, so that's good business in my eyes. I get secondhand embarrassment watching people be butthurt over that
I gotta say, man, I don’t really care much about most the topics you cover, but damn if I don’t end up loving every video. You have a great way of making things interesting. Fantastic storytelling. Thanks for the hard work!
I bet at some point we're gonna get a new, half-assed entry of Cheetahmen just like we got Battletoads in 2020. The power of ironic cult following is profound, and companies know they can cash in on that.
Not the same, but this reminding me how Tommy Talarico tried to revive the Intellivison and ride off the popularity of the Oof meme, which happened a decade later. Time is a flat circle lol.
@opalyasu7159 Fair enough. When has any of Okuyasu's plans gone right on the first try anyhow? Just kidding, thank you for your efforts, Sir. I couldn't program an alarm clock let alone a game, musta been one heckuva ride for you.
Man i love this channel it brings up such bizarre and obscure internet culture trivia which either did or didn't know before and the real casual non dramatic way which you Mush delivers it is such a fun experience Godspeed Mush!
I got recommended this video in the first 45 minutes of its release, and I literally only discovered and subscribed to this channel today. Well that is bizarrely convenient timing.
I was a backer of this but got cold feet a few days before the end and left. I remember getting a message from the Kickstarter guy in all caps asking why I left that I promptly deleted.
So, in a nutshell, this all kinda happened. People got angry, but nobody died or was forced into destitution from this, whether they deserved it or not. Honestly while I don't think THIS in particular paints Rolfe in a good light it's also not, uh, cancel-worthy. Nobody got groomed, which is a bar that a disturbingly high number of people can't say they haven't done.
@Trifixion22 I'm from the future future. In 2032, the Glitch Gremlin's old tweets where he said he does not support Palestine surfaced, and he was cancelled. He is now the Bug Boglim.
I wish this video didn't remind me of Archfiend. Such a grating voice and a sanctimonious personality. Funny how so many of those drama UA-camrs from that time either became irrelevant, disappeared, or did something heinous.
You know you're a real one when you reference Archfiend and Blackbustercritic in your videos, two vital parts of the youtube commentary community that almost nobody talks about nowadays.
It's allways a joy to see that the funny monke man who is only one year younger than me uploaded again. Your videos are always entertaining and the topics mostly unknown to me. I learn a new piece of internet history every time. Thank you for the good work and all the best wishes. 🙏
I remember this vividly. I had become a fan of James a few months earlier, coincidentally right as the movie Indiegogo and its associated drama happened. I remember people throwing out the scam accusations and calling James and Mike sellouts. I'm surprised that after all of that shit-flinging, the Cheetahmen Kickstarter turned out to be legit. I wasn't aware of Greg's history before the Kickstarter campaign, so thanks for reporting on that.
Just found out I was in the top 5% of watchers for your channel which I was really surprised. I love how your videos are so easily bingable. Hopes to more videos next year!
Any video about Action 52 is a delight to watch because of the complete disasterpiece it turned out to be. Well done with this video, one of your best yet.
THANKS FOR MEMORIES.... GREG
Thank you, too, Greg. ✌🐯✌
Please make Cheetahmen 3, the demand is there probably.
Greg, you are a great example of what it means to have a passion for something that is veeeery obscure to so many people
cheetahmen 3d when
cheetahmen 64 please
That Cheetamen commercial doesn't look real, it looks like something that would be made 30 years later as a joke.
The animation is surprisingly high-quality for being a commercial for Action 52 of all things, clearly they paid more for that ad than they paid their programmers lmao
Idk, the voices and the animation are pretty good for what it was meant to be.
The later one with the pancakes? Two things can be true, I guess. It definitely seems like they were aware they were over-exaggerating hoping for that "so bad it's good" feel but instead achieving "so bad it's beyond pathetic and I feel sympathy for everyone who tried to steer them clear of this but were ignored"
"The animation is surprisingly high-quality"
Are you kidding? That stilted, limited-
"for being a commercial for Action 52"
No brother has a point.
It kind of reminds me of an animation made for the in-world universe of a movie, like the commercial for the Good Guy doll in "Child's Play".
this wasn't mentioned in the video but Japan memed the absolute hell out of Cheetahmen in 2007 on NicoNicoDouga and UA-cam, 3 years before AVGN even talked about it and that's always been fascinating to me for some reason.
Japan was always the best shitposter. Just look at what they did to Chargeman Ken.
Japan really is living in the future. Their advanced entertainment industry. Their even more soul crushing work culture. Their completely collapsed birthrate. We’ll be there one day soon.
Maybe it fascinates you because Westerners do the same things to older weird Japanese things so knowing they do the same thing with our thrown out garbage is kind of amusing?
ah that makes sense! The rage flash game Syoban Action (Cat Mario) used Cheetahmen music and I had no idea why that would be the case until seeing this comment
Then why don't you marry 2007 Japan if you love it so much?
At the National Video Game Museum in Texas they actually have a whole dedicated exhibit just for Action 52 & Cheetahmen II (and yes, including the AVGN video; edited for family audiences)
EDIT: Apparently it was only a temporary exhibit
Well at least they included that episode. Most folks only remember these games from AVGN.
since when? I went there a few times and didn't see it.
So there’s like 50 seconds of the avgn episode?
does it cut footage or are the swear words bleeped out
I hope they at least kept the "Ass...hole? Ass(beep). TV makes a lot of sense..." joke for an extra layer of meta humor
Nah, if you buy a game because a guy who publicly called it shit advertised it to you, that's on you.
A very "Dead Dove: Do Not Eat" type of situation. It says there's a dead dove in the bag. If you reach into the bag, you expect to find a dead dove.
@@mary-annabederman7874 Sorry, I'm not clear on what I would or would not expect to find in the bag, can you break it down a little further?
@@mary-annabederman7874indeed, you can't even deny that if you heard of the game it was due how incredibly terrible it was... Made popular by the UA-camr famous for raging at crap games. This is not a scam in any sense. At most this is people with money being idiots and not putting two and two together and then being shocked that the game famous for being terrible is .. terrible.
I mean people paying 100+ for a repo of NWC
from 2009-2016, it seemed like any NES/SNES game a UA-camr made a video about instantly doubled or tripled in value. it was insane. There were posts on Nintendo age where collectors were trying to guess what games they needed to add to their collection before a video was made and the price went up so high they wouldn't want to buy it.
The Cheetamen are somehow the most badass and the most comedically uncool things ever made
Nobody could call them. “Uncool”😂
Cheetah chads
If they actually had some budget behind them they could be a decent TMNT-like cartoon.
It's just instead they're known for an awful video game.
They’re Camp
It's the theme song.
"We're smooth like ice!"
The only thing they have in common is the freezing part
Commercial is 🔥🔥🔥 tho
That comment is very nice.
"Smooth like ice, gone like a glacier." replied the limp wristed teenage boy.
The irony of making the Cheetahmen buff considering Cheetahs barely qualify as big cats and are essentially a nerfed Leopard
Which cats are the giga chads? Lions or tigers?
They don’t qualify as big cats at all. The big cats are the pantherines, and essentially only include the various Panthera species (Panthera leo, Panthera tigris, etc.). Cheetahs are felines, which includes house cats, ocelots, and pumas
@@Arcademan09
Lions if you were to apply human logic. Each male lion usually has a harem of lionesses around them at all times. Tigers are sigmas because they always hunt alone. Plus they act more like house cats. They even do meows but because of their vocal cords being so deep it sounds like cow moos.
IIRC, Cheetahs are on the same level as household cats, just way bigger and faster.
they're endangered too and one of the reasons its been so difficult to breed them is because they're too nervous to mate. they need emotional support dogs to gain the confidence to keep their species alive
"passed away", "no longer with us"
It's fucked up that it's actually refreshing seeing a youtuber using a thesaurus instead of the word "unalive"
It's crazy how quickly the internet has reduced people's vocabulary. I know saying "this is like Greg Orwin's Nineteen Eighty Animal Farm" is cliche, but it is literally like the part in 1984 where a guy talks about reducing the number of words in the language to destroy people's ability to think critically.
i would much rather shift the blame on the system being somehow more restrictive than TV parental guildlines, demonitizing channels and shadowbanning comments for saying rather tame stuff
He's just talking normally, and you're just brain unalived
@@Abcdefg-tf7cuI don't think it's more so people dumbing it down but UA-cam itself. I follow true crime channels and at least one mentioned that if they use certain words they get demonetized.
That said I feel you. I get that it's because of demonetization but I hate it when channels say "She was found .... and he confessed that he ..... her on the back."
Or just using a lot of beeps. I really hate the beeps. It takes you away from what they're saying.
@@beefax Now this is peak comedy, somehow the internet became more sanitized than TV. How the heck is that even possible?
To me, imo, the most surprising part of this whole Cheetahmen saga is the fact that this Kickstarter wasn't a scam, and people actually got something out of it.
Even if it was still shit.
Ur everywhere
tbf everyone had the information to know what they were paying for was shit before hand the only people who got burned were people who either were mad that shit was being sold or somehow got it in their heads that it would actually not be shit
People need learn the difference between a scam and something that costs more money than it’s worth
@@Powl_JSome people see no difference, I have seen this myself.
@@Powl_J The only difference is whether you’re aware of it.
The fact the guy who created Action 52 actually thought doing a multicart "legally" was a goldmine is hilarious.
Kids didn't love it because it had 50-in-1, they loved it because it was all their favorite games bundled together cheaply and easily accessible
This isn't hard to understand 😂
Also pricing the games as "one full price title plus fifty one budget games" is an utterly clownish way to look at the whole thing.
And there in lies the rub. Multicarts are cheap when they are rom hacks of existing games. Programming all the games from scratch defeated the whole purpose of its economic value.
@@ccricers I personally doubt they were programmed from scratch. Probably more like pirating from other pirates, and poorly.
@interstellarsurfer Honestly, they probably didn't even bother with the effort of pirating: The Action 52 was so cheaply made, it was basically 5 games duplicated 10 or so times with some minor aesthetic changes...
It is hard to understand when you don't take video game seriously and don't think they're actually fun or that any one video game is necessarily more fun than any other video game
Thank you MagicMush for the mention, and great video! I remember back when Action 52 and Cheetahmen came out, the story behind games was really something. I wasn't sure what to do with my channel at the time, but it was definitely fun experimenting with the gaming side of things. I watched a lot of AVGN videos and wanted to try my hand at gaming to see where it would go. At first I didn't agree with the whole Cheetahmen 2 return, but as time went on, I felt bad for giving Greg and James a hard time since it was all done in good fun, and for collectors, so overtime, I grew to appreciate it and still own my copies to this very day, and I'm thankful James and Greg did that for the fans. Keep up the good work on the videos, you're awesome!
THANK YOU MR WEENIE!! YOU DID A GREAT JOB ACTUALLY ON HELPING TO MAKE THE KICKSTARTER A SUCCESS. CANT BELIEVE 12 YEARS HAVE PASSED SINCE - GREG
Honestly there was no way the Cheetahmen were gonna compete with the massive worldwide phenomenon that was Street Sharks! :p
PatMac reference?
Strangely the Cheetahmen bring Biker Mice from Mars to mind since both center on a trio of male anthropomorphized mammals. Big difference being that Biker Mice from Mars was a pair of decent cartoons instead of a pair of NES shovelware games.
Jawesome!
street shark toys were badass, unironically, i had a couple and loved them
@@j.2512 When I was like 10 years old, I took swimming lessons at an indoor pool at the local high school. One day I brought in my goggles to look underwater, and someone had placed a Street Shark toy behind the observation window. I had never seen the show and it scared the absolute FUCK outta me but I was too embarrassed to tell anyone. I stopped bringing my goggles and I swam for my life every time I had to do laps in the deep end.
...I got over it eventually, but damn if that wasn't a core memory 😅
The cheetamen ran off ... And now the cheetamen
"That's a beautifully constructed sentence there"
"Well there's an incredibly well constructed sentence"
That sentence belongs on a side of a van.
That is something you expect to see in a poorly translated Japanese game lol
They cheetad the audience
The fact that 4 developers managed to crunch 52 games into one is a major accomplishment of its own volition.
Even if it was a rushed piece of shit.
and then you have UFO 50, with 6 developers and 50 games in one, that range from alright to absolutely amazing. Goes to show that this multi-game concept can work, it just takes time, effort and talent.
Honestly, they probably should of just licensed the games from other developers in the same "Unlicensed" part of the market. Stuff like the Maxi-15 was actually not all that bad for what it was.
basically about 2 days per game, that's an absolutely insane level of crunch
@@NTSTS0 bless the leftover coke from the 80s
Well most of the games are copy and paste
“Why was the nerd advertising a game he called complete 💩”
It’s the same reason why he tells his viewers not to play these games, yet they ended up buying from retro game stores and playing. I know my brother did that exact thing with a few games. James decided to boost up on his reverse psychology sway while getting paid mucho bucks.
Yeah that quote sounded a little naive a poorly thought out in retrospect
He was paid to promote it same way Linus and gamer nexus all are promoting intel Arc B580.
I do remember seeing comments on AVGN videos during the early 2010's calling them out for supporting this campaign. I honestly had no idea what this was really all about for years but it was in the back of my mind all this time.
I remember this it felt really suspicious even at the time.
Them?
Did he undergo mitosis yet again?
@Kadamitas-II-HATF No I'm using the word "them" in order to refer to both James and Mike in this particular instance
Same. Didn't follow socials medias or anything else. I just watched avgn on youtube and had no clue what was going on.
You get banned on their channel for mentioning it lol
Early 2010's UA-cam and internet culture is very refreshing to see again. It feels so much more real and low budget. I can't believe I'm feeling nostalgia for it now that im in my 30's
I kinda miss it to be honest. Old youtube was cringe but it was honest. Nowadays youtubers will say anything for the algorithm
I miss the pre-cringe internet, honestly.
A lot of the videos were a mess, but I appreciated the authenticity of people just ranting about stuff they were passionate about, and not caring if it looked silly.
Because monetization and sponsoring was barely a thing and people just did what they liked.
Same that was the period when the content creator culture on UA-cam took off but the large scale monetization and profiting from it had not quite started yet so UA-camrs were essentially free to do whatever they wanted i miss those time man
@@SpikeJet2736 No it wasn't lol. Take off the rose tinted glasses, people said whatever the fuck they wanted back then too.
It was less commercialized though, that's true.
>man promises shitty game with a major bug patched
>delivers shitty game with a major bug patched
What a non-controversy holy shit
I was thinking the same.
Like yeah the game is still bad, but they got what they were promised... Also you didn't need to pay up, it was up to you.
This feels like a big nothing burger to me.
@@W-rock It should have been!
@@OtakuUnitedStudio
It should have been... What?
literally the most non-controversy of all time, right next to the non-controversy with DQ3.
I'm surprised people are still talking about this. It was barely a controversy back in the day, everyone was just bored.
Ill never forget how he promised a whole ass animatronic cheetah man to promote the game
THAT WAS VINCE BACK IN 1991- HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH KICK STARTER IN 2012
In hindsight this feels like the most nothingburger drama that will be forgotten with time. Greg feels like that one eccentric uncle who really likes buff cheetahs but is actually a pretty chill dude.
The fact that he has several forms of peculiar cheetah-themed decorations in his mansion supports the hypothesis that he just _really_ likes buff cheetahs.
@@simtexa WHAT'S PECULIAR ABOUT HAVING A CHEETAH THRONE?-lol
@@gregpabich "Who doesn't have a cheetah throne in their house? I keep it right next to my cheetah statue shrine, on the cheetah skin carpet. This is in the same room where I have the cheetah candle holders."
@@simtexa You dont have those? 🤔 kinda sus
He's like every 5th old school Furry,
Sorry for the strange editing in the middle of the video, I've attempted to upload this God forsaken video 4 times, and each time, Screenwave wasn't having it. This was purely for entertainment purposes ffs let me have this.
Ok👍
Don’t worry about it
you should get a better pc.
No worries, Mush. Thanks for the video!
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To be fair, getting rid of the bugs would have removed the only appeal to Cheetamen
“Is that Saddam Hussein?”
“Saddam Hussein? No! Relax buddy! I’m not him!”
-Matt Stone, playing that very dictator in South Park, in an episode that ends with him getting beaten up by Canadians, who then parade his beaten body around town
dude, think about it. a giant cheetah jumping over saddam hussein
I understood that reference
"Yo watch the gonads"
"Take that, Boob Lady!"
I honestly don't understand why people were legitimately angry about this. Suspicious, sure, I understand that. That campaign was fishy. And wanting answers was very reasonable. But getting mad? Yeah, the game is bad, but that's why people were even interested in it in the first place. It's a piece of video game history, and that makes it worth something. Producing more legitimate copies and selling them to the public is also a huge boon to video game preservation. Selling a bad game is not some terrible sin, especially when the people selling it aren't trying to advertise it as a good game.
This exactly, I understand fans being upset about their fave content creators "selling out" but capitalizing on the publicity to sell more copies- even through a KS, which turned out to be legit- doesn't seem like it should be controversial.
People were buying it due to the novelty- not because it was a good game, they already knew the game was total ass.
Honesty I'd consider getting a copy because it IS a funny story and moment from video game history, and I'm sure AF not paying thousands for a copy.
Especially in a world where bad games ARE advertised as good ones every day, and the usual reaction to spending $70 on a rushed piece of garbage is "oh well, easy come easy go."
Admittedly, the bar for controversies back on early UA-cam (even if I'd argue 2012 is the very tail end of that era) were rock bottom. People were more passionate (or just pettier) and stakes were much lower than nowadays, so I suppose this would pass off as controversial then even if it's a load of nothing now.
Yeah, fact is people are just kinda desperate to dunk on James for any reason lol, be it they don't like his style of comedy or idk, they got banned from the subreddit lol
Yeah this kind of seems like a specialty reproduction cart sold at a relatively reasonable price for a collector's item, done as a kickstarter probably to see if anyone actually wanted that, and evidently had a production managed smoothly
There were some issues at the fringes - deleting criticism, skepticism at the people involved - but that's not unusual for any project of this nature
"Well, why endorse a bad game on purpose?"
Because it's fun! Sometimes it's fun to own a terrible game! This isn't deceptive, and I can't be mad at someone for selling me exactly what I asked for, with no strings attached
14:08 Teenagers in the 2010s recording rage footage for their angry game review while trying to not wake their parents.
watch "the worst videogame system (vectron 2.0)", it's literally this, and a classic that I love in every way
@@sitkinator True, never seen people trying harder not to get laid. Fascinating period.
That's how modern AVGN feels like 😂
@@kirbyofthestarsfanbut instead of trying not to wake his parents, he's trying not to wake his kid
@vibes_4225 he doesn't even record in his own home, the nerd basement is a studio set nowadays, not his actual basement
You know, with how people are online nowadays, I'd imagine there'd be a "different" reaction to a bunch of buff cheetah men popping out of one's tv
People were like that back then. How could it be that we've only gone Flip City now ~?
The ad with Pat has a completely different connotation in today's internet culture
@@drachenblut_m their dumb accents were the thing tipping my gay ass over the edge watching that commercial, absolute fucking himbos.
Those perverts have been around for decades; they were just confined to their own conventions before the internet. There was some guy back when Tiny Toon Adventures was airing that got obsessed with the purple skunk character and allegedly stalked her voice actress.
Furries were a thing since at least the '70s
This does seem to get forgotten whenever AVGN controversies are brought up. I think entirely because the Kickstarter turned out to be legit.
If the dude actually had taken the money and run, James probably wouldn't have recovered.
I TOOK THE MONEY AND DELIVERED WHAT THE BACKERS ORDERED IN RECORD TIME. GAME COST $45 TO MAKE AND I SOLD IT FOR $65
@@gregpabich Thaaat's economics!
Oh hey, I noticed the green Earthbound-like background around the middle of the video, I had actually made that myself for a project years ago, it’s great to see it’s still getting use! I’m glad you liked it enough to use it like this.😄
I remember hearing about this! It's crazy how no one really remembers this, but everyone remembers the Ghostbusters "controversy".
no comment, I refuse.
Non-reviews of the assholeish variety
No time to remember
The fact one of the ghostbusters was too much of a diva to film the second movie?
Ah nevermind wrong one. Forgot people got upset at james for not wanting to watch something he didnt think he'd like
So much gushing about Cheetahman when we all know Micro Mike is the shining star of Action 52.
And don't forget Alfred and his signature Fettuc
@@BinglesP Hate to break it to you two, it's actually Boob Lady.
Yall must be smoking nut because the real golden entry is Haunted Hill featuring Mrs. Tits. Truly one of the most fleshed out female protags of all time behind Lara Croft and Bayonetta😼
I don't know man, I think Saddam and the Bigfoot guy were the games standouts.
look out micro mike you're goin too fast
Daily reminder that the Cheetahmen theme was played live and it kicks ass. Also this is only the second worst case of James selling out.
is first one kingdom hearts?
The Soylent one still hurts
"We got rescue games that are smooth like ice!!"
>shows choppy game footage at 25 frames a minute
Amazing
Hey, awesome to see you here Big Al. Still remember Jesus Camp and your Megaman 2 lets play
A guy on TV said it so it must be true. They wouldn’t have let him on TV otherwise!
I THOUGHT THEY WERE " HOTTER THAN HELL......"
Action 52 and Cheetahmen are 2 of my favorite AVGN videos to this day! Thank you my fellow sperg, thank you for this pure blast of Nostalgia from better times.
ah yes the most infamous moment of 2012…jersey shore cancelling because they thought the world would end
Wait. For real?!
💀
@@Capydapy as funny as it would have been, unfortunately myth busted.
(Chris Lynn, vice prez of programming at MTV, says this of the 2012 final season decision in a CNN interview: " As successful as the show is, we don't want to be in a situation where we're milking every ratings point out of a franchise until the end. Our audience demands reinvention and is always looking for what's new. As tempting as it is to squeeze something to the end, we made what we think is the right, tough choice to end the show on top.")
2012 was the year of the mayan apocalypse hysteria, I don't get why people make shit up when there's way funnier "believed 2012 was the end of the world because the mayan calendar ends in 2012 of the Gregorian calendar" shit that got claimed and believed. (as aside, mayan calendars are 400 years long. they just didn't get to make the 2013-2412 calendar, that's why it stops at 2012. That they made that many calendars is already impressive enough, it's like if our calendar companies made calendars for 3015 and you could buy them in stores.)
- The story started with claims that Nibiru, a supposed planet discovered by the Sumerians, is headed toward Earth. This catastrophe was initially predicted for May 2003, but when nothing happened the doomsday date was moved forward to December 2012. (This (and the one below) is from NASA, btw. That they had to talk about the woowoo imaginary planet from ancient alien conspiracies seriously at all is both amusing and depressing.)
- Other rumors - that the Earth's magnetic field will suddenly reverse or that the planet will travel almost 30,000 light-years and fall into the black hole at the center of the Milky Way galaxy - were also dismissed. (A light-year is the distance light travels in one year, or about 6 trillion miles, or 10 trillion km.)
- This rumor, circulating in spam emails, claims that NASA is predicting a total Earth blackout between Dec. 23 and Dec. 25 [of 2012]. Some emails claim that this blackout will occur as the result of the sun and Earth aligning for the first time, while others spin a wild tale about Earth entering "a still ring" called the Photonic belt [and turning into "galactic humans" in the "Age of Light" through DNA mutations]. Whatever the alleged cause, this is simply not going to happen, according to NASA. "There is no such alignment," agency officials write. (from yahoo news)
And that's without talking about all the rapture doomsday cults and televangelistry quacks.
WE DELIVERED MOST GAMES BEFORE DEC 12, AS THE MAYAN CALENDAR PREDICTED THE END OF THE WORLD ON THAT DATE..-lol
@@neoqwerty The Sun and the Earth aligning for the first time...how do you even fall for something THAT stupid?
Dude I never expected you to talk about Cheetahmen. This is awesome
2 magic mush videos in a 3 week span? It must truly be a Christmas miracle.
I honestly wouldn’t mind the Cheetahmen coming back someday. Seriously. I could imagine a fully open world in the savanah where you play as the three cheetahmen to stop the evil guy from the cheetahmen games.
His name is Dr. Morbus, and he will run into you and drain your life of its entirerity.
Fake Cheetahmen fan.
Ngl it seems cool
an open world really ?
Open world is literally some people's idea for everything. No matter how terrible it sounds.
@@zu__880 i mean it's the Cheetahmen, it'd be weird if the game was actually GOOD instead of blatant cash grab genre of the year.
(it was intended to be a cash grab of the TMNT games (sidescrolling beat em ups) originally, so being a shitty trend chaser checks out)
I remember this. It was one of the first times AVGN got into backlash with the fans (that or it was the movie).
I don't recall any of that, only the first one from the movie. What happened with Cheetamen?
@@Arcademan09
They accused him of scamming (the sequel game was garbage/broken).
@@Arcademan09 iirc Bimmy gofunded $300/350k for the AVGN movie. During the filming of the movies Bames bought a new house. It's speculated he bought the house with some of the fundraiser money. There is no concert evidence to this, with the exception of his wife possibly bragging to friends about buying their new house with that money.
@@NemesisOgreKing Didn't like half of it get lost to taxes because he didn't properly register it as income or something?
LOCO BANDITO PEOPLE, LOCO BANDITO
The Cheetahmen ran off!
And now...
The Cheetahmen...
The writing was amazing in 1991.
"the cheetahmen" plays in my head against my will any time I hear and "and now" with a pause. EVERY time haha
Just for the curious who haven't seen James' episode, the last two levels of Cheetahmen II ARE playable through a glitch, and James does showcase them in the video. Skipped here for time and pacing, I assume. Total classic though, go watch it after this, and if you want more deep dive on the creation Octav1usKing did a good one a while back, avoiding covering the same info James did. I'd take another from Gaming Historian though if he ever feels like it, it's a very rich subject.
Ironically, Concord is to Sony what Cheetahmen was to that guy. Indeed, Sony seriously intended Concord to be an entire franchise (and not just any random franchise, but their flagship franchise that they would be known for), including several games, animated series (which they would, and in fact will be publishing on Netflix), paraphernalia, etc. And, just like Cheetahmen, Concord failed spectacularly.
Difference is that Cheetahmen cost a few thousands bucks to make, and was made in a few months, while Concord cost hundreds of millions and took 8 years to make.
I want to remind everyone that Pat the NES punk tarnished his own reputation by clowning on people who were dissapointed on the Diablo Immortal reveal at Blizzcon 2018.
Pat was always a clown. his reputation was non-existent by 2018.
@@AnAverageGoblin Pretty much
@@AnAverageGoblinIt's strange I heard good things about him this is the first time I hear of this.
Wow, what a hot take. I guess Pat is the literal Devil for doing this... or DIABLO.
But seriously, you think that tarnished his entire reputation? Damn. Internet peoples are so fickle.
@@an3582 found the pat fan
Discovered your channel recently and I just had to binge watch all your videos. The topics, the editing and the humor, all top notch. You are a great content creator bud.
I'm proud to live in the same timeline where a Mexican cartoon cheetah in a karate outfit convinced at least two people to buy the worst video game ever
The Cheetamen comercial is the best quality product they got out of it all. Damn.
Literally the least fraudulent Kickstarter project
@@aledandrian Can't beat Gatorpoon on comedic genius tho
I mean it could’ve been done without it because the dude already had loads of cash but I hoped the money was at least partially given to the action 52/ cheetahmen ii devs
People paid what 40k for a guy to make some potato salad
@@furydeath I mean that was just a meme, nothing really malicious to it
@@aledandrian ya a $55,492 "meme"
I wasn't into stuff like TMZ & dirt sheets back then but it was kind of fun to watch all of the retro game UA-camrs fighting it out. I knew a lot of this but you did a good job laying it all out.
16:20
I say this now as a collector, sometimes it is funny owning a terrible game just to laugh at it, especially if its rare. Maybe it's because the times have changed but i don't really see an issue with wanting to sell a patched reproduction of a rare game. The marketing could have definitely been better, those ads were terrible, i dont remember them at all
NOTHING LIKE HAVING A DOZEN COPIES OF A $12,000 CHEETAHMEN GAME ON YOUR SHELF!!
WHAT'S BETTER MARKETING THAN A PANCAKE ON YOUR HEAD???
The story behind Action 52 and the Cheetahmen is one of the most interesting and cautionary tales of development gone wrong in gaming history.
Concord is a better cautionary tale
@@themonsterunderyourbed9408 Concord at least has a functional game in there under all the impressively borked character and set design decisions.
What's a better cautionary tale than one that can honestly say, "we make Gollum, Concord, and Ride To Hell Retribution look competent"?
@@neoqwertywell action 52 is the equivalent of shovel ware in this day. What made Concord so bad was JUST HOW MUCH IT COST
8:35 Greg: origins unknown makes him sound like some kind of paranormal entity.
I'M JUST NORMAL- NO "PARA"
@gregpabich after seeing this video I'm curious, what was iCheetah supposed to be?
What's amazing is that Mario Gonzalez actually made a remix of the original Cheetahmen tune.
AND ITS GREAT!!
The man who created the ultimate bootleg NES cartidge being called "Mario" is irony on such a large level its almost poetic
Thearchfiend is so insufferable, You could tell he really only wanted to stir up the pot and continue his crusade which started with Jame's own crowfunding to get his movie made, back then better known as e-begging
And you seem stirred to this day sooo....
"e-begging"
Man, I haven't heard that word in years. I wonder why people stopped using it?
I don't think you can really call this a scam. Those people willingly paid for an atrocious product at a ludicrous price. All completely of their own volition.
The top tier of insane trash being people with the cash and blinded by passion will always be a fascinating study. Manos, the Room, Megalopolis, this. Just incredible to see the train go off the rails .
Edit: and then Kickstarter showed up… oh no, bro.
Megalopolis does not fit in here at all
@@Higfoot ok francis ford coppola
@@1heKing A movie can just be bad without being The Room or Manos dude
Megalopolis was just bad do not compare it to something that’s actually enjoyable like The Room
I've not seen Megalopolis but apparently you can see Aubrey Plaza's tits through her sheer nightgown so it gets a pass just for that.
0:20 Just got off Resident Evil 4 and hearing the collect sound jumpscared me lol
Lmao me too a few weeks ago. Got all of the achievements like i planned on doing but i played for way longer after because there weren't achievements for side content
That Kickstarter video was the most painful thing i ever seen since a film school project
THEN YOU HAVE NEVER ACTUALLY PLAYED THE GAME
I think what people forget during this whole incident is that Kickstarter/Indiegogo/online crowdfunding wasn't exactly a well-known concept to the masses, remember, this wasn't 2012/2013 when there were nothing but kickstarters left and right for everything under the sun - this was still 2009/2010, and people thought you could make enough money off ad revenue on UA-cam. The exact same situation happened when James announced the AVGN movie Indiegogo shortly after, he was very humble and honest about his pitch and how weird it felt to be e-begging, and people just TROUNCED on him, saying that he's going to keep scamming people by using only the intended 75,000 to make the movie and POCKET the remaining 300k for himself, not knowing anything about how movies are made, to the point where they compared it to Kickassia, as if it was some sort of standard.
That was kind of a death for old-school AVGN (for those that cared, at least) because a LOT of people turned on him and just started being mean for no reason, which didn't help later on when the AVGN movie dropped and it wasn't particularly good.
Finally, The Cheetamen lore I never knew I needed!!!
Mush, I appreciate you making these videos. You offer a lot of variety and talk about some obscure topics I would’ve never heard of!
I wish you could talk about The Great Mute of 2012 from Habbo Hotel. I was a part of that, and it was definitely an event that spoke about serious issues regarding PDF files.
It's not even a controversy, the guy promised to add a few levels and he did it. Nobody was REQUIRED to pay for the kickstarter and he's selling copies of a game that previously cost thousands of dollars for a hundred or so bucks.
Clear example of making an issue out of nothing
Eh, we still had the luxury of being into authenticity back then.
The CHEETAHMEN is truly peak gaming.
(I mean, the theme song is pretty banging)
YOU SET A LOW BAR THEN
0:52 i can hear this image
Same 💀
GRAND-
…GRAND-DAD…FLEENTSTONE?!?! Urrrggghh
6:53 AVGN screamer
Cheetahmen are honestly the only games that made my cry for how bad it is :/
ME TOO
Literally nobody in this entire non-troversy did anything wrong. They advertised shit, and they delivered on it, nobody got scammed or anything, you got what you paid for and thats on you.
Like dudes really tried to cancel James over "the guy known for playing shitty games for a living was involved with a surprisingly legit kickstarter for a shitty game" like there were youtubers grooming kids n shit and this was the guy people tried to cancel.
Literally what I was thinking throughout this whole video lol
I just don't understand how someone can see themselves as entitled enough that they think they're owed an apology from a youtuber, whose videos they watched for free, for being involved with a project like that. Yeah, it's a shit game, and the people that will buy it are literally buying it because it's such a shit game. And the guy that did it has no obligation to use his own money to do it. People can buy into the kickstarter or not. It's there to start businesses, not as a charity. He delivered on his promise, so that's good business in my eyes. I get secondhand embarrassment watching people be butthurt over that
COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER MYSELF
It's kinda nice to see another video on your classic style of just talking about one topic, great job btw! :D
Plot Twist: Its actually Fred Fuchs who is behind this conspiracy
AND NOW...
---------------------THE CHEETAHMEN
--‐-‐- Prepare to staple your nuts to the ceiling.
I gotta say, man, I don’t really care much about most the topics you cover, but damn if I don’t end up loving every video. You have a great way of making things interesting. Fantastic storytelling. Thanks for the hard work!
Greg being a public subscriber to you is actually legendary
I THINK IT IS TASTELESS-lol
I bet at some point we're gonna get a new, half-assed entry of Cheetahmen just like we got Battletoads in 2020. The power of ironic cult following is profound, and companies know they can cash in on that.
Not the same, but this reminding me how Tommy Talarico tried to revive the Intellivison and ride off the popularity of the Oof meme, which happened a decade later. Time is a flat circle lol.
Pat's smug acting is the most grating shit I've ever seen
There's a reason why he's been mostly forgotten and why he spends most of his days having online slap fights with Tommy Tallarico
@@ItsMrPea To be fair slapfights with Tommy Tallarico sounds pretty entertaining if you're that bored.
@@pinkpools The scenery chews Pat and spits him out like used gum.
@@ItsMrPeaHe is pretty good at ripping into Tommy tho
@@ItsMrPeaHis mother must be very proud
Ive been really goin thru it lately and I gotta tell you it makes me waaay happier than it should when I see youve uploaded.
The acting in those videos took years off my life
YOU SHOULD SEE WHAT IT DID TO MY LIFE- lol
I tried making a game when I was 16-17. It was a Fire Emblem game on Scratch. Trust me, play testers are _extremely_ important to making a game!
How did it turn out?
@ I didn't finish it due to school and my mental health getting worse during quarantine
You know what else is integral? Time and budget. I bet they expected you to fart out a gem on a chewing gum budget, too.
@@escopeto7849 it was all by me. I got pretty far aside from enemy AI and other things
@opalyasu7159 Fair enough. When has any of Okuyasu's plans gone right on the first try anyhow?
Just kidding, thank you for your efforts, Sir. I couldn't program an alarm clock let alone a game, musta been one heckuva ride for you.
EVERYONE STOP WHAT YOU'RE DOING RIGHT NOW MAGICMUSH JUST UPLOADED
on it
Where can I buy bots like you?
@@MforMovesets???
When the big monkey man speak I sit my ass and listen.
Ahh...memories. Thank you for including me into the lore here.
CAN YOU BELIEVE IT? AFTER ALL THIS TIME.....
Man i love this channel it brings up such bizarre and obscure internet culture trivia which either did or didn't know before and the real casual non dramatic way which you Mush delivers it is such a fun experience
Godspeed Mush!
I got recommended this video in the first 45 minutes of its release, and I literally only discovered and subscribed to this channel today. Well that is bizarrely convenient timing.
As bad as cheetahmen was I will give it this, it’s got a bopping theme song.
It's as symphonically aesthetic as a Game & Watch alarm clock.
I was a backer of this but got cold feet a few days before the end and left. I remember getting a message from the Kickstarter guy in all caps asking why I left that I promptly deleted.
So, in a nutshell, this all kinda happened. People got angry, but nobody died or was forced into destitution from this, whether they deserved it or not. Honestly while I don't think THIS in particular paints Rolfe in a good light it's also not, uh, cancel-worthy. Nobody got groomed, which is a bar that a disturbingly high number of people can't say they haven't done.
Give it enough time and we'll see Cheetahman fanbase twitlongers.
I'm from the future. In 2026, ShitPickle gets cancelled for sending explicit messages to minors
@@anueutsuho7425 James didn't mean to peddle snake oil, but the stink of the affair would linger.
@Trifixion22 I'm from the future future. In 2032, the Glitch Gremlin's old tweets where he said he does not support Palestine surfaced, and he was cancelled. He is now the Bug Boglim.
AND NO CHEETAHS WERE HARMED IN THE MAKING OF THIS VIDEO
I just binged all of your content. All of your fixations are extremely interesting, we need more. Keep up the great content man.
Your sound design, music choices are ON POINT.
20:28 That guy with the glasses (lol) really looks and sounds miserable.
The Irate Gamer scoring a W over The Angry Video Game Nerd is insane
I never even understood why people hate the Irate Gamer so much? Was it for being a "bad copy" of James or something even bigger?
I wish this video didn't remind me of Archfiend. Such a grating voice and a sanctimonious personality. Funny how so many of those drama UA-camrs from that time either became irrelevant, disappeared, or did something heinous.
You know you're a real one when you reference Archfiend and Blackbustercritic in your videos, two vital parts of the youtube commentary community that almost nobody talks about nowadays.
It's allways a joy to see that the funny monke man who is only one year younger than me uploaded again. Your videos are always entertaining and the topics mostly unknown to me. I learn a new piece of internet history every time. Thank you for the good work and all the best wishes. 🙏
I remember this vividly. I had become a fan of James a few months earlier, coincidentally right as the movie Indiegogo and its associated drama happened. I remember people throwing out the scam accusations and calling James and Mike sellouts. I'm surprised that after all of that shit-flinging, the Cheetahmen Kickstarter turned out to be legit. I wasn't aware of Greg's history before the Kickstarter campaign, so thanks for reporting on that.
MOST OF THE REPORTING ABOUT ME WAS WRONG.......
I am always very happy to hear another person suggest that Mike Matei's most noteworthy work is the Loco Bandito lmao
@@Yalcomacob The same Mike Matei who measured his own wiener to prove a point on the internet?
Dude, this makes me feel old, I remember when this happened, specifically Archfiend’s videos 😂
I DO TOO
THAT ARCHFIEND WAS FUN
Just found out I was in the top 5% of watchers for your channel which I was really surprised. I love how your videos are so easily bingable. Hopes to more videos next year!
Any video about Action 52 is a delight to watch because of the complete disasterpiece it turned out to be. Well done with this video, one of your best yet.
That Ceetahmen commercial has the same vibes as the fake Windows 1.0 commercial Steve Ballmer made as an inside joke for Microsoft in 1986.
That Leon4000 guy was a real user.