Therapeutic approaches that have helped with my alexithymia: - feelings wheel or similar apps and regular check ins - a therapist displaying curiosity towards what I’m feeling. - a therapist offering a few guesses when I can’t label a feeling, while making room for me to say, “nah, that’s not it,” and then believing me. Things that have NOT helped: - labeling my emotions FOR me based on my behavior, particularly with any kind of confidence in their guess. THIS HAS BEEN AGGRESSIVELY UNHELPFUL. It can confuse me, cause me to mislabel it and stop investigating, or even make me angry because I feel so unseen and misunderstood.
My therapist knows nothing about autism, and can't understand how my issues are any different from what everyone else goes through, and keeps telling me that I should not "obsess" about my diagnosis.
LOL As someone likely on the spectrum the more people ignore dismiss the more, I focus in trying to explain your likely not obsess you might not even need to ever bring it up around certain people that see and listen. It's the constant them problem of comparing bringing up other people that would trigger the need to explain your condition and how you're not wired like other people
I explained it once like this, long before i had the diagnosis. I said, "What people look like is surface level. What cultural background people have is medium depth. But what was different about me.... it goes all the way through." So since the younger kids liked me anyway, then they should give a chance to the 2 grade school kids from the Middle East. They were nice kids. Nothing "wrong" with them. They were not even as different as me.
Professionals often try to “fit” Autistic people to what they’re taught i.e. psychoanalytical theory and often this is harmful to the Autistic person because it doesn’t translate well where Autistic people are concerned. The assumptions professionals are taught to make, when they make them when interacting with autistic people end up leading to the autistic person being misunderstood and projected onto - by overgeneralised assumptions rather than as an individual person whom thinks as only the one person that they are. Differences in styles of communication also are a barrier and lead often to autistic people feeling misunderstood. It feels like your speaking a different language and the professionals don’t actually “get” what it is you’re trying to communicate with them.
I was so so lucky to get a therapist on the NHS who really understood autistic women and helped me identify my autism. Without that person I don’t know where I would be.
Therapists were never able to diagnose me or see anything worth mentioning to me. I had to do this on my own and now I feel like I'm talking to people who know nothing about autism (even the ones thinking they are specialists in the field), trying to teach them what it is like. THEY are learning from me, I'm getting nothing in return.... yet I am the one having to pay for their private sessions?
Well, I'm a social work student in college right now, and my goal is to specialize in trauma. In a few years there'll be one more autistic therapist in the East Tennessee, USA area. I finally have a therapist now who knows what the heck he's doing, and he's the bomb.
I'm so stressed out in any clinical setting. Part of it is situations like this where the pro can't overcome the double-empathy problem. Another is that it takes so long to actually get a really short appt that there's a ton of pressure to "get it right." And lastly, I'm constantly hearing in the US how medical fees can randomly be inflated to the level of financial ruin.
Being just recently diagnosed autistic at age 60, it makes sense to me why I've never gotten much out of therapy (and it's even been damaging, because I've felt invalidated and misunderstood).
@@christinelamb1167 Yes I walked in over a specific trauma I was going through the therapist just shut the whole topic purpose down and wanted to avoid the topic instead she wanted to talk about her vacation claimed my experience the reason I was there was the passed by the way was getting out of it a week before appointment was still experiencing physical symptoms scared because didn't have access to competent doctors so looking for help. But yet while all that was passed to her, she asked about childhood and really wanted to go into elementary school I did share kids didn't like my hair but so unimportant when I was recent almost killed. Hair can be changed styled If I wanted if that was important enough, I would have I just don't care enough to go through styling my hair every day to please people I don't like those that matter don't care how I wear my hair I will on special occasions. But the lady was so dismissive of avoid of what I think should be important the fact I got away even if there is still potential for things like cancer to show in a few years the fact there is other still in danger seems to be unimportant to normies. One neurotypical that seemed off put once sharing said you're not there anymore there is no concern that there is others in danger. Plus, I might be away but still don't know about my health sitiuation. There is also the nightmares of seeing those other people die in horrible ways
I tend to agree. My experience so far was that my therapist doesn't really seem to understand my answers to her questions... they just don't fit into the categories she would expect.
For me sort of in the same boat but it's more of I will not bother with the one's cover by poor insurance there is a reason they can't get willing paying clients. I sure there are good one's they are rare expensive and difficult to get access to but if I got lucky had the right insurance to see a competent one. Those hard to get since they likely booked fast by people that actually want to see them rather than poor people that are forced to see the ones that take things like Medicaid those take because that insurance pays less and those that suck can't get patients any other way besides poor people that have no choice and might be forced through programs that they need to show they gone. Those that are good that can get patients easy tend not to want to take insurance that don't pay them the best.
I want one, but can't find one to even get on a waiting list. Google searches for a therapist with autism in my area turn up nothing useful, just neurotypical therapists that work with autistic people (and mostly child clients, which is especially unhelpful).
@@finleyblack9852 they don't necessarily advertise as an autistic therapist. Look for a therapist whose only focus is autism. The longer the list of things they claim to work with, the worse they are. Also, consider telehealth. My autistic therapist is over 200 miles away.
I quit going to therapy. With Alexithymia and figuring out I'm autistic, it just wasn't working. All but 1 ended in a disaster and she was only really good for venting. I even had a therapist tell me I was "unwilling for therapy" while cutting my sessions short.
Really that's all therapy is.. venting. I've had therapy for 20 years with a psychologist. You just talk about whatever. I suppose there are different types of therapy but that's what I do at 300 bucks an hour.
The benefit of therapy is largely, for the most part, based on the clients talking about their problems. Thats mostly it. The therapists role is to just be there as a medium for the client to talk. They dont impart wisdom, they dont even give advice that much, they barely even engage with you. Read Carl Rogers Client Centered Therapy. This is what therapy is largely based upon. Its why I found therapy useless. I talked til I was blue in the face and nothing came of it. Eventually one of my therapists "spilled the beans" on how it works, or should work. It explain why (likely) extroverted ppl might well benefit more as they dont have any internal processing. So by doing this it might work well since they usually have very little self-knowledge.
I too have difficulty determining how I feel and what my emotional state is. A while ago I have heard that some use little workarounds and decided to test this out myself. In my case I think of the color the emotion would have which then is somehow easier translate into the emotion. Not easy, just easier. But I have documented all the colors I have encountered and by now also memorised most of them, so even if it takes more time, I actually can reliably find out how I feel. I heard of others using sounds and smells, textures and the like.
I submitted a formal complaint against the local mental health service, but the low financial gain wasn't enough to entice a lawyer. Money takes precedence over morals as always.
Generally if someone wants to change you, and not understand you, to not accept you... it's usually quite damaging to have that type of invasive thought process thrust upon your world... it can be very harmful to your own thought of who you are, how you think, feel, etc...
My whole family consists of abusers, the majority of my previous partners were, as well. So, due to people thinking my behaviours looked a lot like Borderliner, which is true (because these ppl drove me litterally to the edge, day in, day out), I was constantly told to get theraphy. I did at 30, I tried. Went to this woman, told her the things my mother did to me and she asked me to take a pillow and hit her. Refused and never went back. She apologised years later, when I saw her in my town. It took me until a few weeks ago to understand I'm autistic. Ten years ago I realised I'm an HSP.
the first thing i say when going to therapy is i dont want to go for cbt, and explain how my body affects my mind, not the other way around most cases. And then they error, and thats when it becomes clear whether i have to educate the professional about how autism works(for me). and if they cant understand that, and continue with cbt, im done. i hate it. I know what to think, how to think, but i cannot think away the sensory overwhelm that causes the shutdown. It is SUCH a simple concept but they know nothing about it. They just go, oh must be social anxiety then, because the patient avoids social environments-_-'...like where do you even start explaining how all this works. the last therapist i went to, i just accepted that therapy wasnt gonna be helpful, but it was helpful in the sense that she at least did let me talk without judgement, and honestly thats all i needed at that time. Even though i already did the same when i would journal at 1 am every day going through the entire day and reflecting on it. Which has been actually helpful to discover and learn about oneself, and see what works and why things dont work.
Therapy is broken, period. I believe I am on my 10th counselor/therapist, one of two I have actually been satisfied with the performance of. My biggest issue has been therapists wanting to tell me about their lives and problems. Now, this isn’t ALWAYS inappropriate, but it’s something to be very careful about, and it’s something that happened even AFTER I started specifically requesting not to be told about therapists’ personal lives! As I am AuDHD-PI/twice-exceptional southpaw female (the only “expected” thing about me, given all that, is that I have struggled with depression most of my life), I think it is pretty unrealistic to expect ANYONE, including others who share a couple of my defining characteristics but not close to all, to understand my life experience. I have a therapist now who actually seems interested in my experiences, which is nice. I think that’s about the best I can hope for! 🤷♀️
I have every traut in common with you except for southpaw & female. I'm thinking of coding & starting ah AuDHD friendly social network app, wanna help?
My autistic boyfriend has had a very hard time the past month, lost his job which was his main thing in life. This sent him reeling. He went to a professional psych inpatient with a specialty for his work (I don't want to get too specific). He was released but strangely not given any outpatient support. This week (2 weeks later) he was taken by police for involuntary inpatient as a result of his 3rd appointment with BetterHealth :/ so I don't think I can recommend them. We are middle aged.
i went in to get an adhd diagnosis and was talking about things that i had trouble with when i was little and how i still struggle with those things she asked me if i ever was diagnosed with a learning disability and autism but when i said i use marijuana to sleep as the sleep gummies are the only thing that can help me sleep without waking up multiple times a night or sleepwalking. she took back everything she said and said all of it was because of marijuana. i haven’t been to a therapist since because she had no problem giving me antidepressants that made me more suicidal but the things that actually help me were bad. all i wanted was a diagnosis to get help finding a life coach or something like that to help me with stuff i wasn’t taught growing up. but the only thing she wanted to do was put me on pills that make all of my symptoms worse. besides that she would cut me off in the middle of trying to explain things and was just not nice at all about any of it. it was in america so i don’t know what the situation is in the UK but i know there’s no point in doing therapy in america in most places. im glad im going to be getting on a wait list for a psychologist that takes a holistic approach so i can get a diagnosis and help finding groups or coaching to help me with all the things i know are wrong. i even told the therapist that my mom has OCD and my aunt has been told by nuerologists that she probably has autism and my brother has a lot of autistic traits.
Those that turn to marijuana do so out of treating something if you didn't have a struggle, you would not be using to treat it. If there were more competent doctors that actually helped people wouldn't have to try and seek medications themselves
@@bunnyboo6295i literally told her i use it because its the only thing that stops me from going through my special interests that at the time i thought were hyperfixating on things like basketball adn that i cant stay still and struggle with temperature regulation which it helps and is the only thing ive tried thats helped and she said that marijuana was the reason i had all of those problems when i was talking about problems i had when i was in elementary school a good 15 years before i ever tried it. and i have tried a lot of over the counter sleep aids and even prescriptions and the over the counter stuff never works and the prescription had bad side effects. i even told her the things that it actually does for me and she still told me that what was happening to me wasnt real. it made me never want to go to a therapist again because all they do is gaslight you and try to push pills on you so they can get commission from the pharmaceutical companies.
Oh man, are you in the South? I take legal forms of THC gummies, and I have other family members who take the real thing for medical purposes. There are some professionals who stop taking people seriously as soon as you mention marijuana. Hey dingdongs, we're taking it for the medical benefits because it helps us. Darn war on drugs.
I had a psychologist for 3 months through work. I liked her, despite feeling like we were from different planets. She wouldn't go along with me in any way shape or form and I found that really annoying. But I told her exactly what I felt and we just agreed to disagree. I miss her actually. Sometimes (depending on where you are in your journey) having someone who doesn't get you or agree with you can be very helpful. She said I "perseverate" and its not helpful, particularly with historical traumas or negative thought patterns. Sometimes compassion feels harsh. No doubt there are also lots of bad therapists out there too. I just really liked my headstrong one!
Never been to a proper therapist, but my experience with mental health people via my university has been not good. Got a terrible pep talk along the lines of"just do your best" whilst lying on the floor in agony and repeatedly telling them I was in no condition to take the exams. End up going to the walk in mental health thing on campus and get not much beyond typical irrelevant platitudes and then eventually being told to do things that calm me down that I wasn't doing specifically because I'd been pressured into talking with them instead.
Thank you for speaking about this! I was in and out of therapy from age 10 to age 20 with therapist who created more issues. Its like they couldn't accept the reasons I was giving them for why I struggled. They kept asking why until I gave them some logical reason. Thankfully I've now found a therapist who is neurodivergent themselves and just understands me when I say I cannot go in a place with too many people because all the movement blurrs into a scream of colour and I lose the ability to navigate the environment. They help me actually accommodate this. They are also helping me undo the harmful things taught to me in the previous 10 years of therapy. I'm nervous because I won't be able to see this therapist forever, but I am thankful to have found them and am working on my degree (remotely) in psychology with a focus on neurodivergence.
Kudos to you and the chat for sharing such a relatable and honest discussion. I always miss your streams (what is time?), but have greatly enjoyed the ones I tuned in for. You've got a great community.
The thing about Autism is its unique per person... from the little I know its severity can range from high functioning to low functioning... I get why some parent would want to "cure" the idea of low functioning autism... but from my personal experience, high functioning Autism isn't something I'd want to cure in anyone... it's quite the opposite... the love of my life has high functioning autism and it's the most beautiful thing I've ever known... yes a little jarring and understanding her is complicated (sometimes), but it's also a eye opening journey that has lead me to see that people, how they are programmed, are so different and unique and its amazing... it's such a beautiful thought knowing someone so pure in thought and heart, so brutally honest with her feelings... and so fragile and vulnerable in her own understanding of herself... my understanding that she is on her journey to understand herself more and more... it's just beautiful and I think many qualities of high functioning individuals... the world could use A LOT more of...
Maybe your rich and overpriveledged...maybe you haven't suffered enough. Autism has already killed me. Goth Bosch Incarnate March 1965 to March 19th, 2029. I think ive seen enough. even thru 8 eyes..🕷
@@gothboschincarnate3931 Ok, hope you come to peace with who you are, autism and all. I never meant ill towards you brother. There is beauty to be found in even seemingly darkness.
I (oficially) left my work about a week ago. If i explained the problems that happend there it would take hours just to give a little sumary (i have talked this with other people, it is not an exageration) but to sum up the most important my ex boss is a highly bipolar and abusive man who would most times shout at me (well, everyone) or threathen to fire me for the slightlest things. We could say that summing all the things he disliked about inside an "umbrella" would be that I didn't do sometimes exactly what he wanted, why did that happen?, because he tends to expect me to do things without telling me to do them, exactly how he wants to or giving contradictory promps about how he wants so, sometimes to the point of suddenly wanting me to do the oposite of what he inicially wanted something. This led me to be extremly anxious and to be on alert to try to understand everything he says in order to know what he wanted or to try to follow the logic of what happens in order to be prepared the next day so i could do things in the preffered way by him. This barely worked, if i tried to do something one way it would be wrong because of some reason so it is imposible to know what he expects exactly from me and if i ask him he gets mad because i am "bothering" him, so i am doing my best to adapt and to understand the logic in place to no succes. The thing is that one day suddenly he exploded (wich is weird since it came for the slightlest thing ever and this was after a week with barely any trouble, at least compared to other weeks, in wich he told me he was actually happy with me and that he wanted me to stay) and threathened me to change or he would fire me and then wondered if i had some kind of mental issue/illness or was taking some kind of medication. He ended up discovering soon after that i had some autistic traits and that i could be autistic so he came to talk with me about it. He wanted to force me to get diagnosed and then to get "treated" or i would be fired (i still wanted to have a diagnosis at the time, and i still do, but still forcing me to do it the sooner posible under that threath isn't helpfull. Not to add that it costs almost 600 bucks and don't have plently of money, plus is almost what i made each month and he didn't care, he wanted me to spend almost all the gainings of one month and claimed that i should't care, wich again isn't helpfull) to then be saying most of the days afterwards that i was not normal, that can't do basic stuff on a daily and personal basis (bullshit), that i needed help and almost treating me as if i was reta.... claiming that my autistic traits were the culprits and what made it so I had those issues at work (when i never had any kind of similar issues with anyone in the town and he rarely bothers to explain properly what he wants) and tgat he was tge only one helping me. Well, going flashforward and omitting losts of things (again, it would take an eternity to discuss it) he wanted to take a lead about how things were developing so he asked me for me for my social security card and my DNI (wich i did since i needed to keep my job at the time) plus he tried to contact the asociation about autism i started to visit to get things started in order to lead the process and to get personal data about me, he even wanted to become my legal representative. The things is that he not only wanted me to get treatment for my autustic traits (wich he sees them as a mental illness) as a way to just get things at the workplace as he wants but he wanted to take me with him to see a psychologist he knows (i don't remember well if she was his friend, her therapist or both) to see things about it, and in order to do so he gave her my social security card data (wich is ilegal here). That's the thing, if normal psychologists already have dificulties to treat autistic people (even if we asume i am not autistic i have aitustic traits and it would be the focus of the meeting with her) what would have done her (i ended up not going)? It was a meeting set up by him and considering all the things he did and that they talked things it could even be a set up, and even if she did her best, how would she handle it? She would have to tackle autistic and workplace issues while being told lies by him. And even if i went to the autustic asociation, how would they have help me? Would it lead to me learning to read minds?, because that's the issue, that i can never know what he wants and being him so "random" about it, where is the posible fix? Even with prepared and dedicated therapists I guess that there are some issues that can't really be treated properly by them because of how non sensical the behaviour of certain people is, and even less for those unprepared or with a hidded agenda/already biased. Be carefull people, you can never know what will happen
Yes, they should be able to, ideally. However, most therapists receive no training in how to detect, much less treat, neurodivergent clients, and therefore no accommodations are made. (edit) ...and it really sucks.
My therapist diagnosed me with autism in 2020. When i was 48. She is a trauma based therapist. And she clearly saw all the signs. I had no idea I had autism. I had just thought for unknown reasons I was "weird" or "didn't fit in" but I didn't actually know why. She also diagnosed with C-PTSD. But I have the black + white thinking too. And the rules thing. And the logic brain. And too many things don't make any sense.
My therapist told me that she learned next to nothing about autism or ADHD in all her years of school, and she finished all that relatively recently (idk exactly, but certainly within the past 5 years) She's fantastic though, btw. She's doing everything she can to learn more and fill in that gap in her knowledge. I'm really glad I found a therapist who *wants* to understand and is making big progress there. Our appts are hardly textbook, and I love that she's so willing to improvise and try new approaches. There's still a lot to figure out but we're making progress!
@@mr_ekshun It's kind of scary because a lot of 'normal' non therapists are able to spot if someone is autistic, if a therpaist cant then theyre in the wrong job
I think it's because it's only been in the last ten years or so that autism is finally starting to be understood. If you like to read, I'd recommend checking out NeuroTribes by Steve Silberman. It explains a lot of why we go through the crap we go through. I gotqa warn you, though, if you're autistic or you care about autistic people, this book will make you mad. It makes me wish I could get a time machine and go back to the 1940s so I can kick that slimeball Leo Kanner in the balls over and over again.
Wish could afford it… Had some years w some progress but slipped back. Most of it missed so much that would have helped me. Finally late dx ASD couple years ago and know have dissociated parts ….. 💞💙🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻💙💞👊👊
I have 2 therapists that see me each week. It works quite good. And yes they know each other. My main therapist is trauma based and she was the one who had doagnosed me with autism and with C-PTSD. I do feel she understands the autism. Mainly I just tell her all the things that are bugging me and she lets me talk. Get stuff off my chest. My second therapist is my horse therapist.. The horse therapy is the thing that is really keeping me together.. Nothing more magical or calming then spending an hour each week at the ranch! You guys + gals should try horse therapy.
It was really hard to watch this. I was mentally abused in therapy and it really messed me up. I don't know how to "get even". So I just have to accept what happened to me as my fault. If I talk about it i "cant let it go". If I say Im going to ignore the abuse I am horrible because I could help others that are abused the same. Im so confused. The hardest to accept is that some doctors did this to me cause I was weak and had no one to tell. Fo the longest of time I thought everyone always wanted to be nice.
I tried to go to therapy once and I was triggered and overwhelmed before I even made my first appointment. She kept disrespecting my time and my boundaries, overanalyzing & nitpicking every word I said, then would accuse me of being defensive and not actually being interested in getting better. Considering a large part of the reason I wanted to go to therapy was because I was from allistics using their heightened social skills to twist my words and manipulate me, I was so horrifically triggered right away that I had to back out. I am extremely thankful that I am in a place physically and mentally where I was able to dig myself out of that hole, but I wish we had more resources. I know there are good therapists out there that understand us and our needs, but seriously, the education and training for therapists should include understanding of neurodiverse minds. Why are the people who typically need therapy the most not included in the basic education?? Its ridiculous.
The worst part is when family members and GPs badger you into finding a counsellor. When you try to explain why I don't want to go down that path, they unfairly and inaccurately accuse you of not wanting any help whatsoever, end of ... when that is way off the point. They won't hear me out. It's soul-destroying. Autistic people need help, and the frustration is just as you said. Although the therapist I currently see is Autistic, it is still a pain in the arse for me to attend because of everything you have expressed in this video. It involves travelling to and from the sessions a few miles away on public transport. During some sessions, she knows and understands - she even told me I have alexithymia - other times, not so much. I would sooner go to a priest for regular confession (I have found empathetic priests) than feel as though everything is missing but the Anglepoise Lamp and bright lightbulb in my eyes!
I kept telling my experience to my therapist and she kept saying that happens to everyone. And I was like... People postpone things they really want to do for years? Really? She said everyone procrastinates.
I have had couple of therapies, they were NT therapists. No successes at all. The therapists thought that I had no empathy and other crazy things. They were very judgemental. They mistreated me. I don't want therapy any more, it makes everything worse. I got alsof wrong meds and I felt lot worse, and suicidal.
One of the things that happened to me was that I went for counseling in my early teens which was roughly the end of the DSM III and the beginning of the DSM IV, I was apparently too forthcoming about things, which led the mental health professionals that I was dealing with to assume that things were far, far worse than they really were. Which was bad enough, but the understanding of the various conditions that came to be unified under the ASD label weren't very widely understood to the extent they are now, which led to a bunch of anxiety, schiophrenia spectrum diagnoses and bipolar, which really, it should have been AS. But, because of those diagnoses it's been a bit of a struggle to get a proper diagnosis because I may be roughly on the edge between the schizophrenia and autism spectra, the fact is that I relate far more to autistic people and have far more of the typical autism issues than schizophrenia ones.
Counselors are there so you can vent. Unfortunately for mine, she has to let me vent. The only thing i have to vent about is allistic people and their broken systems, broken minds, their dysfunctional inability to control their emotions, and their unwillingness to fix any of these obvious catastrophic failures at existence. I give her props however, i can tell she really doesn't like it when i say "you people".
@@Demonetization_Symbol Not many Allistic people can listen to a brutal takedown of the broken nonsensical, useless, fantasy world they live in, and not fight back. My psychologist won't even speak to me because I eviscerated his world view in under two minutes and he had zero comebacks, because his nerotypical system is indefensible. It was constructed by Neanderthals, so I don't know why he's mad. Probably because I told him he couldn't reconcile the PHD on his wall with the fact that he only uses ten percent of his brain. Not my fault he's not intelligent 🤷♂️.
@@Demonetization_Symbol Not many Allistic people can listen to a brutal takedown of the broken nonsensical, useless, fantasy world they live in, and not fight back. My psychologist won't even speak to me because I eviscerated his world view in under two minutes and he had zero comebacks, because his nerotypical system is indefensible. It was constructed by Neanderthals, so I don't know why he's mad. Probably because I told him he couldn't reconcile the PHD on his wall with the fact that he only uses ten percent of his brain. Not my fault he's not intelligent 🤷♂️.
@@Demonetization_Symbol Wow, tried explaining this twice now, haven't used a single bad word. Feeling like I'm being silenced. I'll try and explain it, nicer I guess. Allistic people can't make it through a simple conversation without having a myriad of emotional breakdowns. When you find one who has even a snippet of control over their mind or emotions, it is worthy of compliment.
When I first realized I was autistic I tried to find a psychologist to figure things out. He was nice, and kept telling me to stop telling him how I think and to tell him how I feel. I was like "Bruh."
I didn't appreciate how bad the situation is (I'm in the US) until I tried. Even if the economic issues were solved, I'm not sure where to turn. The system seems to be based on a series of referrals in network, and I haven't found a path to therapy; not just broken links, I haven't found the _first_ provider that I can trust. This trust is not just vibe-based, but obviously educational. Psychiatrists are under-educated in this area. The above paragraph is too dry to convey the tragedy of the situation. If my experience is representative, then there are many thousands who are experiencing worse.
Both CBT and general talking therapy have been really bad for me. Going over bad feelings only makes them worse - sometimes much worse. What’s supposed to be mentally safe under CBT wasn’t. Fortunately medication works well.
Therapeutic approaches that have helped with my alexithymia:
- feelings wheel or similar apps and regular check ins
- a therapist displaying curiosity towards what I’m feeling.
- a therapist offering a few guesses when I can’t label a feeling, while making room for me to say, “nah, that’s not it,” and then believing me.
Things that have NOT helped:
- labeling my emotions FOR me based on my behavior, particularly with any kind of confidence in their guess. THIS HAS BEEN AGGRESSIVELY UNHELPFUL. It can confuse me, cause me to mislabel it and stop investigating, or even make me angry because I feel so unseen and misunderstood.
My therapist knows nothing about autism, and can't understand how my issues are any different from what everyone else goes through, and keeps telling me that I should not "obsess" about my diagnosis.
That sounds extremely invalidating and shaming! You deserve better than that.
LOL As someone likely on the spectrum the more people ignore dismiss the more, I focus in trying to explain your likely not obsess you might not even need to ever bring it up around certain people that see and listen. It's the constant them problem of comparing bringing up other people that would trigger the need to explain your condition and how you're not wired like other people
I was told, that I shouldn't care whether or not I'm autistic, because I'm smart anyway so it doesn't matter.
@@paulinemoira8442 that's not cool.
I explained it once like this, long before i had the diagnosis. I said, "What people look like is surface level. What cultural background people have is medium depth. But what was different about me.... it goes all the way through." So since the younger kids liked me anyway, then they should give a chance to the 2 grade school kids from the Middle East. They were nice kids. Nothing "wrong" with them. They were not even as different as me.
Professionals often try to “fit” Autistic people to what they’re taught i.e. psychoanalytical theory and often this is harmful to the Autistic person because it doesn’t translate well where Autistic people are concerned.
The assumptions professionals are taught to make, when they make them when interacting with autistic people end up leading to the autistic person being misunderstood and projected onto - by overgeneralised assumptions rather than as an individual person whom thinks as only the one person that they are.
Differences in styles of communication also are a barrier and lead often to autistic people feeling misunderstood. It feels like your speaking a different language and the professionals don’t actually “get” what it is you’re trying to communicate with them.
I was so so lucky to get a therapist on the NHS who really understood autistic women and helped me identify my autism.
Without that person I don’t know where I would be.
Therapists were never able to diagnose me or see anything worth mentioning to me. I had to do this on my own and now I feel like I'm talking to people who know nothing about autism (even the ones thinking they are specialists in the field), trying to teach them what it is like. THEY are learning from me, I'm getting nothing in return.... yet I am the one having to pay for their private sessions?
Well, I'm a social work student in college right now, and my goal is to specialize in trauma. In a few years there'll be one more autistic therapist in the East Tennessee, USA area. I finally have a therapist now who knows what the heck he's doing, and he's the bomb.
I'm so stressed out in any clinical setting. Part of it is situations like this where the pro can't overcome the double-empathy problem. Another is that it takes so long to actually get a really short appt that there's a ton of pressure to "get it right." And lastly, I'm constantly hearing in the US how medical fees can randomly be inflated to the level of financial ruin.
As a natural born resident of the US who has now lived there for 61 years I'm pretty sure it ain't random ...
@@scottfw7169 Sorry, random's the wrong word. Chaotic is more fitting.
@@NickCombs I would go as far as saying the word deliberate.
There should be a complete divide between allistic and autistic mental health. We are too different to treat like the normies.
I wish to upvote your comment several times but can't.
Being just recently diagnosed autistic at age 60, it makes sense to me why I've never gotten much out of therapy (and it's even been damaging, because I've felt invalidated and misunderstood).
@@christinelamb1167 Yes I walked in over a specific trauma I was going through the therapist just shut the whole topic purpose down and wanted to avoid the topic instead she wanted to talk about her vacation claimed my experience the reason I was there was the passed by the way was getting out of it a week before appointment was still experiencing physical symptoms scared because didn't have access to competent doctors so looking for help. But yet while all that was passed to her, she asked about childhood and really wanted to go into elementary school I did share kids didn't like my hair but so unimportant when I was recent almost killed.
Hair can be changed styled If I wanted if that was important enough, I would have I just don't care enough to go through styling my hair every day to please people I don't like those that matter don't care how I wear my hair I will on special occasions.
But the lady was so dismissive of avoid of what I think should be important the fact I got away even if there is still potential for things like cancer to show in a few years the fact there is other still in danger seems to be unimportant to normies. One neurotypical that seemed off put once sharing said you're not there anymore there is no concern that there is others in danger. Plus, I might be away but still don't know about my health sitiuation. There is also the nightmares of seeing those other people die in horrible ways
could not agree more! we need our own organization, our own field. psychology is not about us at all.
I tend to agree. My experience so far was that my therapist doesn't really seem to understand my answers to her questions... they just don't fit into the categories she would expect.
I have had awful experiences with therapy. To the point I will never go again.
Same. Absolute same.
For me sort of in the same boat but it's more of I will not bother with the one's cover by poor insurance there is a reason they can't get willing paying clients.
I sure there are good one's they are rare expensive and difficult to get access to but if I got lucky had the right insurance to see a competent one. Those hard to get since they likely booked fast by people that actually want to see them rather than poor people that are forced to see the ones that take things like Medicaid those take because that insurance pays less and those that suck can't get patients any other way besides poor people that have no choice and might be forced through programs that they need to show they gone. Those that are good that can get patients easy tend not to want to take insurance that don't pay them the best.
I feel the same. I am recently diagnosed autistic at almost fifty. For me, therapy had been a big fail throughout my life.
Find an autistic therapist. They have long waiting lists but it's worth the wait.
Keep kids away from ABA. It's abuse not therapy.
I want one, but can't find one to even get on a waiting list. Google searches for a therapist with autism in my area turn up nothing useful, just neurotypical therapists that work with autistic people (and mostly child clients, which is especially unhelpful).
@@finleyblack9852 they don't necessarily advertise as an autistic therapist. Look for a therapist whose only focus is autism. The longer the list of things they claim to work with, the worse they are.
Also, consider telehealth. My autistic therapist is over 200 miles away.
Whats ABA
@@finleyblack9852 Looks like there is a demand something people with Autism should look into as a career
@@bunnyboo6295 applied behavior analysis
I quit going to therapy. With Alexithymia and figuring out I'm autistic, it just wasn't working. All but 1 ended in a disaster and she was only really good for venting. I even had a therapist tell me I was "unwilling for therapy" while cutting my sessions short.
Really that's all therapy is.. venting. I've had therapy for 20 years with a psychologist. You just talk about whatever. I suppose there are different types of therapy but that's what I do at 300 bucks an hour.
The benefit of therapy is largely, for the most part, based on the clients talking about their problems. Thats mostly it. The therapists role is to just be there as a medium for the client to talk. They dont impart wisdom, they dont even give advice that much, they barely even engage with you. Read Carl Rogers Client Centered Therapy. This is what therapy is largely based upon. Its why I found therapy useless. I talked til I was blue in the face and nothing came of it. Eventually one of my therapists "spilled the beans" on how it works, or should work. It explain why (likely) extroverted ppl might well benefit more as they dont have any internal processing. So by doing this it might work well since they usually have very little self-knowledge.
I too have difficulty determining how I feel and what my emotional state is. A while ago I have heard that some use little workarounds and decided to test this out myself. In my case I think of the color the emotion would have which then is somehow easier translate into the emotion. Not easy, just easier. But I have documented all the colors I have encountered and by now also memorised most of them, so even if it takes more time, I actually can reliably find out how I feel. I heard of others using sounds and smells, textures and the like.
I submitted a formal complaint against the local mental health service, but the low financial gain wasn't enough to entice a lawyer. Money takes precedence over morals as always.
Generally if someone wants to change you, and not understand you, to not accept you... it's usually quite damaging to have that type of invasive thought process thrust upon your world... it can be very harmful to your own thought of who you are, how you think, feel, etc...
My whole family consists of abusers, the majority of my previous partners were, as well. So, due to people thinking my behaviours looked a lot like Borderliner, which is true (because these ppl drove me litterally to the edge, day in, day out), I was constantly told to get theraphy. I did at 30, I tried. Went to this woman, told her the things my mother did to me and she asked me to take a pillow and hit her. Refused and never went back. She apologised years later, when I saw her in my town. It took me until a few weeks ago to understand I'm autistic. Ten years ago I realised I'm an HSP.
the first thing i say when going to therapy is i dont want to go for cbt, and explain how my body affects my mind, not the other way around most cases. And then they error, and thats when it becomes clear whether i have to educate the professional about how autism works(for me). and if they cant understand that, and continue with cbt, im done. i hate it. I know what to think, how to think, but i cannot think away the sensory overwhelm that causes the shutdown. It is SUCH a simple concept but they know nothing about it. They just go, oh must be social anxiety then, because the patient avoids social environments-_-'...like where do you even start explaining how all this works.
the last therapist i went to, i just accepted that therapy wasnt gonna be helpful, but it was helpful in the sense that she at least did let me talk without judgement, and honestly thats all i needed at that time. Even though i already did the same when i would journal at 1 am every day going through the entire day and reflecting on it. Which has been actually helpful to discover and learn about oneself, and see what works and why things dont work.
Therapy is broken, period. I believe I am on my 10th counselor/therapist, one of two I have actually been satisfied with the performance of. My biggest issue has been therapists wanting to tell me about their lives and problems. Now, this isn’t ALWAYS inappropriate, but it’s something to be very careful about, and it’s something that happened even AFTER I started specifically requesting not to be told about therapists’ personal lives! As I am AuDHD-PI/twice-exceptional southpaw female (the only “expected” thing about me, given all that, is that I have struggled with depression most of my life), I think it is pretty unrealistic to expect ANYONE, including others who share a couple of my defining characteristics but not close to all, to understand my life experience. I have a therapist now who actually seems interested in my experiences, which is nice. I think that’s about the best I can hope for! 🤷♀️
I have every traut in common with you except for southpaw & female.
I'm thinking of coding & starting ah AuDHD friendly social network app, wanna help?
LOL I went to one because of a trauma but they dissed because they rather talk about their vacations
My autistic boyfriend has had a very hard time the past month, lost his job which was his main thing in life. This sent him reeling. He went to a professional psych inpatient with a specialty for his work (I don't want to get too specific). He was released but strangely not given any outpatient support. This week (2 weeks later) he was taken by police for involuntary inpatient as a result of his 3rd appointment with BetterHealth :/ so I don't think I can recommend them. We are middle aged.
Oh dear. Sure hope things improve for you two.
i went in to get an adhd diagnosis and was talking about things that i had trouble with when i was little and how i still struggle with those things she asked me if i ever was diagnosed with a learning disability and autism but when i said i use marijuana to sleep as the sleep gummies are the only thing that can help me sleep without waking up multiple times a night or sleepwalking. she took back everything she said and said all of it was because of marijuana. i haven’t been to a therapist since because she had no problem giving me antidepressants that made me more suicidal but the things that actually help me were bad. all i wanted was a diagnosis to get help finding a life coach or something like that to help me with stuff i wasn’t taught growing up. but the only thing she wanted to do was put me on pills that make all of my symptoms worse. besides that she would cut me off in the middle of trying to explain things and was just not nice at all about any of it. it was in america so i don’t know what the situation is in the UK but i know there’s no point in doing therapy in america in most places. im glad im going to be getting on a wait list for a psychologist that takes a holistic approach so i can get a diagnosis and help finding groups or coaching to help me with all the things i know are wrong. i even told the therapist that my mom has OCD and my aunt has been told by nuerologists that she probably has autism and my brother has a lot of autistic traits.
Those that turn to marijuana do so out of treating something if you didn't have a struggle, you would not be using to treat it. If there were more competent doctors that actually helped people wouldn't have to try and seek medications themselves
@@bunnyboo6295i literally told her i use it because its the only thing that stops me from going through my special interests that at the time i thought were hyperfixating on things like basketball adn that i cant stay still and struggle with temperature regulation which it helps and is the only thing ive tried thats helped and she said that marijuana was the reason i had all of those problems when i was talking about problems i had when i was in elementary school a good 15 years before i ever tried it. and i have tried a lot of over the counter sleep aids and even prescriptions and the over the counter stuff never works and the prescription had bad side effects. i even told her the things that it actually does for me and she still told me that what was happening to me wasnt real. it made me never want to go to a therapist again because all they do is gaslight you and try to push pills on you so they can get commission from the pharmaceutical companies.
Oh man, are you in the South? I take legal forms of THC gummies, and I have other family members who take the real thing for medical purposes. There are some professionals who stop taking people seriously as soon as you mention marijuana. Hey dingdongs, we're taking it for the medical benefits because it helps us. Darn war on drugs.
Some therapists in the USA are ok. But they can be hard to find.
I had a psychologist for 3 months through work. I liked her, despite feeling like we were from different planets. She wouldn't go along with me in any way shape or form and I found that really annoying. But I told her exactly what I felt and we just agreed to disagree. I miss her actually. Sometimes (depending on where you are in your journey) having someone who doesn't get you or agree with you can be very helpful. She said I "perseverate" and its not helpful, particularly with historical traumas or negative thought patterns. Sometimes compassion feels harsh. No doubt there are also lots of bad therapists out there too. I just really liked my headstrong one!
Never been to a proper therapist, but my experience with mental health people via my university has been not good.
Got a terrible pep talk along the lines of"just do your best" whilst lying on the floor in agony and repeatedly telling them I was in no condition to take the exams.
End up going to the walk in mental health thing on campus and get not much beyond typical irrelevant platitudes and then eventually being told to do things that calm me down that I wasn't doing specifically because I'd been pressured into talking with them instead.
Thank you for speaking about this! I was in and out of therapy from age 10 to age 20 with therapist who created more issues. Its like they couldn't accept the reasons I was giving them for why I struggled. They kept asking why until I gave them some logical reason. Thankfully I've now found a therapist who is neurodivergent themselves and just understands me when I say I cannot go in a place with too many people because all the movement blurrs into a scream of colour and I lose the ability to navigate the environment. They help me actually accommodate this. They are also helping me undo the harmful things taught to me in the previous 10 years of therapy. I'm nervous because I won't be able to see this therapist forever, but I am thankful to have found them and am working on my degree (remotely) in psychology with a focus on neurodivergence.
Kudos to you and the chat for sharing such a relatable and honest discussion. I always miss your streams (what is time?), but have greatly enjoyed the ones I tuned in for. You've got a great community.
The thing about Autism is its unique per person... from the little I know its severity can range from high functioning to low functioning... I get why some parent would want to "cure" the idea of low functioning autism... but from my personal experience, high functioning Autism isn't something I'd want to cure in anyone... it's quite the opposite... the love of my life has high functioning autism and it's the most beautiful thing I've ever known... yes a little jarring and understanding her is complicated (sometimes), but it's also a eye opening journey that has lead me to see that people, how they are programmed, are so different and unique and its amazing... it's such a beautiful thought knowing someone so pure in thought and heart, so brutally honest with her feelings... and so fragile and vulnerable in her own understanding of herself... my understanding that she is on her journey to understand herself more and more... it's just beautiful and I think many qualities of high functioning individuals... the world could use A LOT more of...
Maybe your rich and overpriveledged...maybe you haven't suffered enough. Autism has already killed me. Goth Bosch Incarnate March 1965 to March 19th, 2029. I think ive seen enough. even thru 8 eyes..🕷
@@gothboschincarnate3931 Ok, hope you come to peace with who you are, autism and all. I never meant ill towards you brother. There is beauty to be found in even seemingly darkness.
I (oficially) left my work about a week ago. If i explained the problems that happend there it would take hours just to give a little sumary (i have talked this with other people, it is not an exageration) but to sum up the most important my ex boss is a highly bipolar and abusive man who would most times shout at me (well, everyone) or threathen to fire me for the slightlest things. We could say that summing all the things he disliked about inside an "umbrella" would be that I didn't do sometimes exactly what he wanted, why did that happen?, because he tends to expect me to do things without telling me to do them, exactly how he wants to or giving contradictory promps about how he wants so, sometimes to the point of suddenly wanting me to do the oposite of what he inicially wanted something. This led me to be extremly anxious and to be on alert to try to understand everything he says in order to know what he wanted or to try to follow the logic of what happens in order to be prepared the next day so i could do things in the preffered way by him. This barely worked, if i tried to do something one way it would be wrong because of some reason so it is imposible to know what he expects exactly from me and if i ask him he gets mad because i am "bothering" him, so i am doing my best to adapt and to understand the logic in place to no succes. The thing is that one day suddenly he exploded (wich is weird since it came for the slightlest thing ever and this was after a week with barely any trouble, at least compared to other weeks, in wich he told me he was actually happy with me and that he wanted me to stay) and threathened me to change or he would fire me and then wondered if i had some kind of mental issue/illness or was taking some kind of medication. He ended up discovering soon after that i had some autistic traits and that i could be autistic so he came to talk with me about it. He wanted to force me to get diagnosed and then to get "treated" or i would be fired (i still wanted to have a diagnosis at the time, and i still do, but still forcing me to do it the sooner posible under that threath isn't helpfull. Not to add that it costs almost 600 bucks and don't have plently of money, plus is almost what i made each month and he didn't care, he wanted me to spend almost all the gainings of one month and claimed that i should't care, wich again isn't helpfull) to then be saying most of the days afterwards that i was not normal, that can't do basic stuff on a daily and personal basis (bullshit), that i needed help and almost treating me as if i was reta.... claiming that my autistic traits were the culprits and what made it so I had those issues at work (when i never had any kind of similar issues with anyone in the town and he rarely bothers to explain properly what he wants) and tgat he was tge only one helping me. Well, going flashforward and omitting losts of things (again, it would take an eternity to discuss it) he wanted to take a lead about how things were developing so he asked me for me for my social security card and my DNI (wich i did since i needed to keep my job at the time) plus he tried to contact the asociation about autism i started to visit to get things started in order to lead the process and to get personal data about me, he even wanted to become my legal representative. The things is that he not only wanted me to get treatment for my autustic traits (wich he sees them as a mental illness) as a way to just get things at the workplace as he wants but he wanted to take me with him to see a psychologist he knows (i don't remember well if she was his friend, her therapist or both) to see things about it, and in order to do so he gave her my social security card data (wich is ilegal here). That's the thing, if normal psychologists already have dificulties to treat autistic people (even if we asume i am not autistic i have aitustic traits and it would be the focus of the meeting with her) what would have done her (i ended up not going)? It was a meeting set up by him and considering all the things he did and that they talked things it could even be a set up, and even if she did her best, how would she handle it? She would have to tackle autistic and workplace issues while being told lies by him. And even if i went to the autustic asociation, how would they have help me? Would it lead to me learning to read minds?, because that's the issue, that i can never know what he wants and being him so "random" about it, where is the posible fix? Even with prepared and dedicated therapists I guess that there are some issues that can't really be treated properly by them because of how non sensical the behaviour of certain people is, and even less for those unprepared or with a hidded agenda/already biased. Be carefull people, you can never know what will happen
Why can't a therapist see if someone is autistic and pick up on it? Surely they should be able to
Yes, they should be able to, ideally. However, most therapists receive no training in how to detect, much less treat, neurodivergent clients, and therefore no accommodations are made.
(edit) ...and it really sucks.
My therapist diagnosed me with autism in 2020. When i was 48. She is a trauma based therapist. And she clearly saw all the signs. I had no idea I had autism. I had just thought for unknown reasons I was "weird" or "didn't fit in" but I didn't actually know why. She also diagnosed with C-PTSD. But I have the black + white thinking too. And the rules thing. And the logic brain. And too many things don't make any sense.
My therapist told me that she learned next to nothing about autism or ADHD in all her years of school, and she finished all that relatively recently (idk exactly, but certainly within the past 5 years)
She's fantastic though, btw. She's doing everything she can to learn more and fill in that gap in her knowledge. I'm really glad I found a therapist who *wants* to understand and is making big progress there. Our appts are hardly textbook, and I love that she's so willing to improvise and try new approaches. There's still a lot to figure out but we're making progress!
@@mr_ekshun It's kind of scary because a lot of 'normal' non therapists are able to spot if someone is autistic, if a therpaist cant then theyre in the wrong job
I think it's because it's only been in the last ten years or so that autism is finally starting to be understood. If you like to read, I'd recommend checking out NeuroTribes by Steve Silberman. It explains a lot of why we go through the crap we go through. I gotqa warn you, though, if you're autistic or you care about autistic people, this book will make you mad. It makes me wish I could get a time machine and go back to the 1940s so I can kick that slimeball Leo Kanner in the balls over and over again.
Wish could afford it… Had some years w some progress but slipped back. Most of it missed so much that would have helped me. Finally late dx ASD couple years ago and know have dissociated parts ….. 💞💙🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻💙💞👊👊
Check out AANE, they have coaching with a sliding scale.
I have 2 therapists that see me each week. It works quite good. And yes they know each other. My main therapist is trauma based and she was the one who had doagnosed me with autism and with C-PTSD. I do feel she understands the autism. Mainly I just tell her all the things that are bugging me and she lets me talk. Get stuff off my chest.
My second therapist is my horse therapist.. The horse therapy is the thing that is really keeping me together.. Nothing more magical or calming then spending an hour each week at the ranch!
You guys + gals should try horse therapy.
Horse therapy is amazing and has done wonders for me. If it's available in your area most definitely recommend.
I never had horse therapy, but my mother raised and saddle trained horses. It did help me get through my childhood.
It was really hard to watch this. I was mentally abused in therapy and it really messed me up. I don't know how to "get even". So I just have to accept what happened to me as my fault. If I talk about it i "cant let it go". If I say Im going to ignore the abuse I am horrible because I could help others that are abused the same. Im so confused. The hardest to accept is that some doctors did this to me cause I was weak and had no one to tell. Fo the longest of time I thought everyone always wanted to be nice.
I tried to go to therapy once and I was triggered and overwhelmed before I even made my first appointment. She kept disrespecting my time and my boundaries, overanalyzing & nitpicking every word I said, then would accuse me of being defensive and not actually being interested in getting better. Considering a large part of the reason I wanted to go to therapy was because I was from allistics using their heightened social skills to twist my words and manipulate me, I was so horrifically triggered right away that I had to back out. I am extremely thankful that I am in a place physically and mentally where I was able to dig myself out of that hole, but I wish we had more resources. I know there are good therapists out there that understand us and our needs, but seriously, the education and training for therapists should include understanding of neurodiverse minds. Why are the people who typically need therapy the most not included in the basic education?? Its ridiculous.
The worst part is when family members and GPs badger you into finding a counsellor. When you try to explain why I don't want to go down that path, they unfairly and inaccurately accuse you of not wanting any help whatsoever, end of ... when that is way off the point. They won't hear me out. It's soul-destroying. Autistic people need help, and the frustration is just as you said.
Although the therapist I currently see is Autistic, it is still a pain in the arse for me to attend because of everything you have expressed in this video. It involves travelling to and from the sessions a few miles away on public transport.
During some sessions, she knows and understands - she even told me I have alexithymia - other times, not so much.
I would sooner go to a priest for regular confession (I have found empathetic priests) than feel as though everything is missing but the Anglepoise Lamp and bright lightbulb in my eyes!
I kept telling my experience to my therapist and she kept saying that happens to everyone. And I was like... People postpone things they really want to do for years? Really? She said everyone procrastinates.
I have had couple of therapies, they were NT therapists. No successes at all. The therapists thought that I had no empathy and other crazy things. They were very judgemental. They mistreated me. I don't want therapy any more, it makes everything worse. I got alsof wrong meds and I felt lot worse, and suicidal.
Sidenote: i really, really like the colors changing on the curtain behind you.👍
One of the things that happened to me was that I went for counseling in my early teens which was roughly the end of the DSM III and the beginning of the DSM IV, I was apparently too forthcoming about things, which led the mental health professionals that I was dealing with to assume that things were far, far worse than they really were. Which was bad enough, but the understanding of the various conditions that came to be unified under the ASD label weren't very widely understood to the extent they are now, which led to a bunch of anxiety, schiophrenia spectrum diagnoses and bipolar, which really, it should have been AS.
But, because of those diagnoses it's been a bit of a struggle to get a proper diagnosis because I may be roughly on the edge between the schizophrenia and autism spectra, the fact is that I relate far more to autistic people and have far more of the typical autism issues than schizophrenia ones.
I am not saying that this is the case with you but autistic people have higher rates of schizophrenia. Some people have both.
Counselors are there so you can vent. Unfortunately for mine, she has to let me vent. The only thing i have to vent about is allistic people and their broken systems, broken minds, their dysfunctional inability to control their emotions, and their unwillingness to fix any of these obvious catastrophic failures at existence. I give her props however, i can tell she really doesn't like it when i say "you people".
Why would that make you give her props?
@@Demonetization_Symbol Not many Allistic people can listen to a brutal takedown of the broken nonsensical, useless, fantasy world they live in, and not fight back. My psychologist won't even speak to me because I eviscerated his world view in under two minutes and he had zero comebacks, because his nerotypical system is indefensible. It was constructed by Neanderthals, so I don't know why he's mad. Probably because I told him he couldn't reconcile the PHD on his wall with the fact that he only uses ten percent of his brain. Not my fault he's not intelligent 🤷♂️.
@@Demonetization_Symbol Not many Allistic people can listen to a brutal takedown of the broken nonsensical, useless, fantasy world they live in, and not fight back. My psychologist won't even speak to me because I eviscerated his world view in under two minutes and he had zero comebacks, because his nerotypical system is indefensible. It was constructed by Neanderthals, so I don't know why he's mad. Probably because I told him he couldn't reconcile the PHD on his wall with the fact that he only uses ten percent of his brain. Not my fault he's not intelligent 🤷♂️.
@@Demonetization_Symbol Wow, tried explaining this twice now, haven't used a single bad word. Feeling like I'm being silenced.
I'll try and explain it, nicer I guess.
Allistic people can't make it through a simple conversation without having a myriad of emotional breakdowns. When you find one who has even a snippet of control over their mind or emotions, it is worthy of compliment.
@@Demonetization_Symbol Rule of thumb, there is no such thing as an intelligent nerotypical person. They do not exist, PHD or otherwise.
Love the osrs content thrown in❤
When I first realized I was autistic I tried to find a psychologist to figure things out. He was nice, and kept telling me to stop telling him how I think and to tell him how I feel. I was like "Bruh."
As a RN therapy just feels like they're reading from a script
In my case therapists didn't often diagnose me. Mostly psychiatrists did.
Therapists in 80's 90's were so bad I refused to even consider therapy for decades
I didn't appreciate how bad the situation is (I'm in the US) until I tried. Even if the economic issues were solved, I'm not sure where to turn. The system seems to be based on a series of referrals in network, and I haven't found a path to therapy; not just broken links, I haven't found the _first_ provider that I can trust. This trust is not just vibe-based, but obviously educational. Psychiatrists are under-educated in this area.
The above paragraph is too dry to convey the tragedy of the situation. If my experience is representative, then there are many thousands who are experiencing worse.
Art therapy helps too.i thought I want to be a art therapist but I feel I will get burn out😢
Both CBT and general talking therapy have been really bad for me. Going over bad feelings only makes them worse - sometimes much worse. What’s supposed to be mentally safe under CBT wasn’t. Fortunately medication works well.
But do NTs find therapy unsatisfying unhelpful at the same rates?
Not broken. Dont expect to be cured. But there many things like neurofeedback that can really help you. Keep it mind that this is not a cure thats it.