That gentleman in the blue t shirt breaks a lot of hearts of people who underestimate him. The best part of pickleball is how competitive to can be even with limited mobility and an advanced age. Terrific game!
To be fair, that is a *really* good serve at 3:30. Ton of pace and top spin, landed far to the side and about midway through no man's land which forced the returning player (who was standing about 3 feet back from baseline) to hustle to even have a chance at getting it.
There's not a lot you can do when your partner falls apart like the guy in gray. I am surprised you were so impressed with the guy in blue when he was slicing his returns ( something you consistently admonished other players in other videos). I agree though, he is very good given his lack of mobilty and age. Thanks for your quality coverage.
The player in blue has a gait which suggests to me knee issues (I can relate). He has great hands and a lot of skill. A fine player and if his movement could be better he would really be something. I've seen a lot of matches swing on the change of ends. Not saying it's the case here, but sometimes there is something about one end - the lighting, backdrop or sighting, which is difficult to put your finger on but somehow seems to make a difference. After all, that's why we change ends :)
That’s fine of course, but get ready to hear people say to you “Isn’t that paddle illegal?” And you’ll have to explain only for tournament play every time, and every time you win they’ll whisper “cheater paddle.”
I really don't see a consistency issue in general with these players. In general they are being consistent. Its a calculated risk, when you play more offensive shots you will miss some. Most of the time this pays off. Also some of the shots that they missed could be considered forced errors. The other team put them in a bad position so they missed the shot. I would say this is typical play with advanced players. My issue is that when you start thinking about the unforced errors as a player you become more conservative in the way you hit. If you do this then 1. you will never become more skilled because you are always hitting safe shots. 2. You are actually giving your opponents the advantage because then they will often have first attack. If you give your opponent first attack there is a high probability that you will lose the point. Obviously it would be better not to make any mistakes but Id rather miss execution then not be aggressive. Its better to ask yourself if you are missing the same shot over and over again. If that is the case then there are probably some technique issues, and was it the right play, If you make the right play and miss the execution understand why you missed the execution and move on. If you discover some patterns on which shots you tend to miss then work on it by drilling. You don't get higher skilled just by missing less. You actually have to develop better skills and the byproduct is that consistency goes up. These guys are doing it right. Connor Hance from enhance pickleball says if your not missing 1 of 10 serves then your leaving alot of performance on the table.
Connor is great. He's right. Missing one out of 10 serves is not bad. However, when 76% of all points end in an unforced error, I think that's very high. The one comment you made in all of this is, if they practice. I think hey can get where they want to be, if they practice. But, will they? My experience is, most players don't practice. Thanks for watching.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 I went back and looked and you are correct there were a high number of unforced errors but there were also over 19 winners. The unforced errors werent caused by bad technique but rather by trying to push the envelope which is good in my opinion. Also the players were playing in a way that forced the error on the opponent. I'm sure if you were on the other side of the court you wouldn't feel like some of those mistakes were unforced lol! For example If i hit a deep serve with speed at topspin at someones backhand and they missed the return it would be an unforced error but in some ways I also caused their miss because of the pressure I put on them. Unforced errors can be a grey area.
That's a good point as well. However, some people don't like the permanent fencing. They could at least have those movable dividers. Thanks for watching.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 really, that is interesting... I have not heard anyone complain about fencing - also, none of the indoor (and nearly all outdoor) have border fencing for each court. Although I will say I like the 12-foot netting between courts better than the 4-ft fences - doesnt hurt if you hit it and barely any balls come onto the court from other courts.
As an older player (78) with declining stamina and endurance, I suspect the older, heavyset player in blue is struggling with knee pain bilaterally and limited to one step swings and reaches. The slow pace of play and low level of aggression is noteworthy for both teams. No crashing the net for these guys😀
Both teams did worse in the far court. I wonder if there is a full white wall behind the near court that hinders visibility. The older team had a nice routine where they would dink to separate the two younger players and then hit down the middle. That worked a few times.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 I think it depends on the situation. If some 50+ woman is playing with one who clearly could use the extra power I don't think I would saying anything for rec play. However, some twenty something dude blasting away with a banned paddle in rec play is a different animal (LOL).
Yeah the white or beige walls are no good - it seemed like the team on the far court made a lot more mistakes, I wonder if there is something behind the near court distracting or otherwise. Also, no fencing between the courts? If busy you probably have 20% of your points interrupted with "Ball" calls - and it appears they don't have fencing between the court to the left and common/lobby area on that side, which is even more annoying. Maybe they are just going to complete it in the future or something like that. I see (and play! LoL) a lot of games like this - overall good players, just making mistakes.
I only bought the Hyperion Joola when it came out, never the Perseus or the Gen 3. Damn glad I didn’t either for obvious reasons. Paddle companies are going to push the envelope on how hot a paddle can be, some even making it legal with the knowledge that after a week or two break in period it will be out of specs. I’m all about the spin, better surfaces for slice, side, or topspin, but it’s obvious we have gone too far as far as the pace a paddle can impart. It’ll probably take some pro during a game to lose his peripheral vision from a hot paddle to really tamp down. Maybe I’m alone in that I’d rather see a strategic dink game than someone who goes by the moniker “Master Blaster.”
I must say I agree with you. Some paddles have just become too powerful. I promise you somewhere in America on a pickleball court a person has lost their eye. I enjoy playing the soft game. I really hope it doesn't go away. If it does, they might as well change the name of the game. Thanks for watching.
More cost effective to have more courts in tight space than adding nets. Most places I have been net off 3 courts so you don’t chase ball across facility though
Rory…I like your video format i.e., picking apart the play but you can sometimes say some of the weirdest things such as speculating about a player’s ability according to whether their hat is on backward, what kind of shoes they’re wearing, etc. I’ve played Rhythm and Rally many times and vision of the ball is not a problem and that’s coming from a 73 year old who must wear corrective vision glasses and is completely blind in one eye. I shudder to imagine what that place would look like if the walls were painted black. What if I said this: A pickleball pick-a-part commenter who wears a denim jacket should not be taken seriously.
Thanks for your response. If black walls are not a good idea, why does one of the fasting growing court franchises, The Picklr, have all walls and ceilings painted black. We're just going to have to disagree on the disadvantage of having white walls. As for the jacket. It was cold that day. Thanks for watching.
@ While we’re speculating…What if black walls and ceilings prove to cause psychological manifestations that if properly studied would indicate that more consternation occurs between opponents during games and that long-term, players burnout more quickly and abandon the game.
That gentleman in the blue t shirt breaks a lot of hearts of people who underestimate him. The best part of pickleball is how competitive to can be even with limited mobility and an advanced age. Terrific game!
He probably does. Thanks for watching.
To be fair, that is a *really* good serve at 3:30. Ton of pace and top spin, landed far to the side and about midway through no man's land which forced the returning player (who was standing about 3 feet back from baseline) to hustle to even have a chance at getting it.
Thanks for watching and thanks for pointing that out. I'm not at perfect.
There's not a lot you can do when your partner falls apart like the guy in gray. I am surprised you were so impressed with the guy in blue when he was slicing his returns ( something you consistently admonished other players in other videos). I agree though, he is very good given his lack of mobilty and age. Thanks for your quality coverage.
Unless he was slicing returns every time, I didn't notice it. Thanks for pointing that out.
The player in blue has a gait which suggests to me knee issues (I can relate). He has great hands and a lot of skill. A fine player and if his movement could be better he would really be something. I've seen a lot of matches swing on the change of ends. Not saying it's the case here, but sometimes there is something about one end - the lighting, backdrop or sighting, which is difficult to put your finger on but somehow seems to make a difference. After all, that's why we change ends :)
Well said! Thanks for watching.
Not retiring my Joola, just not using it in tournaments, assuming I ever play tournaments.
You look to be one of my younger viewers. Thanks for watching.
That’s fine of course, but get ready to hear people say to you “Isn’t that paddle illegal?” And you’ll have to explain only for tournament play every time, and every time you win they’ll whisper “cheater paddle.”
@iantercero5380 Fortunately, none of the people I play with at recs in NC have big egos, nor are they pickball snobs.
I really don't see a consistency issue in general with these players. In general they are being consistent. Its a calculated risk, when you play more offensive shots you will miss some. Most of the time this pays off. Also some of the shots that they missed could be considered forced errors. The other team put them in a bad position so they missed the shot. I would say this is typical play with advanced players. My issue is that when you start thinking about the unforced errors as a player you become more conservative in the way you hit. If you do this then 1. you will never become more skilled because you are always hitting safe shots. 2. You are actually giving your opponents the advantage because then they will often have first attack. If you give your opponent first attack there is a high probability that you will lose the point. Obviously it would be better not to make any mistakes but Id rather miss execution then not be aggressive. Its better to ask yourself if you are missing the same shot over and over again. If that is the case then there are probably some technique issues, and was it the right play, If you make the right play and miss the execution understand why you missed the execution and move on. If you discover some patterns on which shots you tend to miss then work on it by drilling. You don't get higher skilled just by missing less. You actually have to develop better skills and the byproduct is that consistency goes up. These guys are doing it right. Connor Hance from enhance pickleball says if your not missing 1 of 10 serves then your leaving alot of performance on the table.
Connor is great. He's right. Missing one out of 10 serves is not bad. However, when 76% of all points end in an unforced error, I think that's very high. The one comment you made in all of this is, if they practice. I think hey can get where they want to be, if they practice. But, will they? My experience is, most players don't practice. Thanks for watching.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 I went back and looked and you are correct there were a high number of unforced errors but there were also over 19 winners. The unforced errors werent caused by bad technique but rather by trying to push the envelope which is good in my opinion. Also the players were playing in a way that forced the error on the opponent. I'm sure if you were on the other side of the court you wouldn't feel like some of those mistakes were unforced lol! For example If i hit a deep serve with speed at topspin at someones backhand and they missed the return it would be an unforced error but in some ways I also caused their miss because of the pressure I put on them. Unforced errors can be a grey area.
Not have some sort of fencing between courts to stop stray balls bugs me more than the white paint.
That's a good point as well. However, some people don't like the permanent fencing. They could at least have those movable dividers. Thanks for watching.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 really, that is interesting... I have not heard anyone complain about fencing - also, none of the indoor (and nearly all outdoor) have border fencing for each court. Although I will say I like the 12-foot netting between courts better than the 4-ft fences - doesnt hurt if you hit it and barely any balls come onto the court from other courts.
As an older player (78) with declining stamina and endurance, I suspect the older, heavyset player in blue is struggling with knee pain bilaterally and limited to one step swings and reaches. The slow pace of play and low level of aggression is noteworthy for both teams. No crashing the net for these guys😀
Regardless, I think he's a really good player. Thanks for watching.
What ratings are these guys?
It didn't say in the video and I don't know their names so I couldn't find out.
3.5ish?
@@brianlane9534noo 4.0 at least
Both teams did worse in the far court. I wonder if there is a full white wall behind the near court that hinders visibility. The older team had a nice routine where they would dink to separate the two younger players and then hit down the middle. That worked a few times.
Down the middle is sometimes a good place to hit it. Thanks for watching.
Do think someone in the park rec Play, will throw? their only (banned) paddle away? Hmm...
They should. Once the paddle is banned, if someone is playing with it in open play, I'm not going to play against him.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 I think it depends on the situation. If some 50+ woman is playing with one who clearly could use the extra power I don't think I would saying anything for rec play. However, some twenty something dude blasting away with a banned paddle in rec play is a different animal (LOL).
That's ridiculous. @@pickleballpick-apart9787
I can't believe how serious some people take rec play. I really don't get it.
Yeah the white or beige walls are no good - it seemed like the team on the far court made a lot more mistakes, I wonder if there is something behind the near court distracting or otherwise. Also, no fencing between the courts? If busy you probably have 20% of your points interrupted with "Ball" calls - and it appears they don't have fencing between the court to the left and common/lobby area on that side, which is even more annoying. Maybe they are just going to complete it in the future or something like that. I see (and play! LoL) a lot of games like this - overall good players, just making mistakes.
The white walls may have contributed to some of the errors. Thanks for watching.
I only bought the Hyperion Joola when it came out, never the Perseus or the Gen 3. Damn glad I didn’t either for obvious reasons. Paddle companies are going to push the envelope on how hot a paddle can be, some even making it legal with the knowledge that after a week or two break in period it will be out of specs. I’m all about the spin, better surfaces for slice, side, or topspin, but it’s obvious we have gone too far as far as the pace a paddle can impart. It’ll probably take some pro during a game to lose his peripheral vision from a hot paddle to really tamp down. Maybe I’m alone in that I’d rather see a strategic dink game than someone who goes by the moniker “Master Blaster.”
Joola Perseus CFS (16mm and 14mm) are still USA PB approved...
I must say I agree with you. Some paddles have just become too powerful. I promise you somewhere in America on a pickleball court a person has lost their eye. I enjoy playing the soft game. I really hope it doesn't go away. If it does, they might as well change the name of the game. Thanks for watching.
I can no comprehend why these places cannot put sideline fences up!???! 🤬
That would drive me nuts
Some facilities like the Picklr, do have fences. Some people like them some people don't.
@ they are not right next to sideline but 5-7 feet away that way you get very minimal stoppage for a ball that rolls into your court from another one
I suppose you never ran into a fence to get a shot. They are dangerous.
More cost effective to have more courts in tight space than adding nets. Most places I have been net off 3 courts so you don’t chase ball across facility though
Rory…I like your video format i.e., picking apart the play but you can sometimes say some of the weirdest things such as speculating about a player’s ability according to whether their hat is on backward, what kind of shoes they’re wearing, etc. I’ve played Rhythm and Rally many times and vision of the ball is not a problem and that’s coming from a 73 year old who must wear corrective vision glasses and is completely blind in one eye. I shudder to imagine what that place would look like if the walls were painted black. What if I said this: A pickleball pick-a-part commenter who wears a denim jacket should not be taken seriously.
Thanks for your response. If black walls are not a good idea, why does one of the fasting growing court franchises, The Picklr, have all walls and ceilings painted black. We're just going to have to disagree on the disadvantage of having white walls. As for the jacket. It was cold that day. Thanks for watching.
@ While we’re speculating…What if black walls and ceilings prove to cause psychological manifestations that if properly studied would indicate that more consternation occurs between opponents during games and that long-term, players burnout more quickly and abandon the game.