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From the information I get from your show, the problem is in identifying what is AI and embedded, licensed beats and/or samples. The only thing I think can stop some issues is to embed a code in all AI generated showing what part is AI. Beats and Samples sold also need a unique ID, so people can't create a problem using Content ID.
part of that is in the mastering process stamping the copywrite to the data. You can have a bank sign a notary otherwards a sealed envelope that is proof you are owner of the brand or band name and It's so much easier just to time stamp the mp3 file or itunes file etc. You can't change the initial time stamp you can update the time but the original should be always connected to the file or mp3, wav etc.
If I have a paid account in suno and use the lyrics that I wrote but then turn around and take a melody I created in suno but reconstruct the song in Logic and get my own singer and try to copyright that song. Suno basically becomes the tool to help guide you to a good melody but the final result would have a few changes I did in Logic or protools
what if i create an instrumental using paid tier. then use that in a short film on youtube. then my subscription expires. my channel is monetized. does it thus become a problem or do i retain all rights to use it in the shortfilm since i created it with a paid subscription
that's the exact reason why I refused to pay suno... it is not clear at all if you have to keep paying them for life to keep the rights... i'd rather use it just for fun experimenting
This all sounds like a toy that they know can break so they've got their liability clause ready protecting themselves from any future problems. It sounds as if they made a toy and said, "you're on your own if you use our toy and if you don't pay our monthly subscription, you don't get to keep the toy or anything you did with it without a license from us." Am I understanding this correctly?? Could you imagine if Akai, Korg, Roland etc. decided to have rules like this when we make original music with their toys? A.I. has been cool to hear new sounds and EFX but to use platforms like this creatively in my songs, I must decline. They need to have better rules for this. As of now, it sounds like a big problem I'd rather avoid. Thanks for keeping us updated!
@iGame3D We don't keep HBO when we stop paying for a subscription because we never owned HBO intellectual copyrights or create using HBO. It's a service, as you say. But as creators who create, things are getting trickier. Owning our intellectual copyright is critically important to getting paid. Until recent years, the line between company intellectual rights and user intellectual rights was not blurred. Now, it seems as if creators are being told that they don't own anything they've created or uploaded after a subscription is cancelled. It's a massive wake-up call to really read the TOS to make sure this is a beneficial service worth using. It's just a shame that modern terms of service are written in a way that users give up their intellectual copyrights just because they decided to use the service. I do hope things get better though.
@@iGame3D I understand what you're trying to say. We can use the service or not. Although, I feel it's not quite exactly the same. HBO example: we are the person that created the movie on HBO and HBO is saying it's theirs now. Uber example: we are the driver and Uber is saying it's their car now. Either way, reading TOS is important. ☺️
To begin, I want to say that I love your videos, they are both informative and entertaining. I’d like to weigh in because I use Suno for all the songs on my channel, and I prefer it over Udio due to my musical taste. While Udio has better voice quality, its music often feels bland and uninspired to me. I actually find Suno’s terms of service to be quite fair. Since I’m using their AI, it seems reasonable that it gets trained on my input (lyrics, instruments, my voice, etc.). I frequently use the upload feature to create songs, and I don’t mind contributing to improve their AI. I also understand that, given the sheer volume of outputs, it’s possible for the AI to produce something that closely resembles or even matches one of my outputs. Therefor In the ongoing court case, I wouldn’t be surprised if they argue that training their AI on copyrighted music was necessary not to reproduce it, but to teach the AI what not to use due to copyright restrictions. By doing so, the AI also learns what it can use and how to structure songs. Essentially, they may claim they had no choice because, given the high volume of outputs, it would only be a matter of time before the AI unintentionally outputted copyrighted music. Most people creating AI songs aren’t doing it for money or fame, they just want to share their ideas and thoughts with the world. I know firsthand how much time can go into crafting just one AI song, even though many people won’t appreciate the effort simply because it involves AI. And that’s perfectly fine.
@@Corteliax totally agree that creating anything with AI assiatance takes a lot of work. most people think quality stuff pours out at the click of a button.
@@bambubombon exactly, it can take me weeks to "perfect" one track, and it's by no means perfect, just something that resonates with me, that said, I do also download the stems and use mix the track to remove any errors that AI often outputs, like repeated words that don't correspond with the lyrics I wrote. etc. but now with v4 I find it makes even more mistakes as well as artifacts.
@@MúsicascomIAofc I had one song people really liked. They shared it everywhere they could. It was very unsuspected for me. Some stayed around because they also liked the other songs I made.
@@MúsicascomIAofc hola, yo también hago música con IA, aun no llego a los 1000, hace más de un año que tengo el canal, debes tener paciencia y ser constante, esto es nuevo y es difícil para que YT muestre nuestros videos, nadie pone en el buscador música o canciones creadas con IA, nadie nos busca , entiendes, mucha, suerte, ahora paso a visitarte, saludos desde Neuquén (Argentina)
8:20 The ownership with a paid subscription is the reason I chose Suno. I'm not trying to monetize the dozens of AI-assisted music pieces I generated, however, it is nice to know I can, should I get good enough to sell something, one day.
You own YOUR contribution, and according to GPT3.5 you can take ownership if you make a significant contribution to what the AI generated. So if all you did was use the prompts in the Need Ideas section of Suno, it might not qualify. If you write a micro-story, like I do at times, and the AI assists you in creating a song, you can take ownership of that. You can only copyright YOUR contribution, not what the AI generated.
Very interesting video, but I have a question. If I generated a song with Suno (using lyrics I own) and, for specific reasons (such as tonal adjustments), I completely remake it with different sounds while keeping the structure, melody, and arrangement, and then have it sung by a singer I want to promote (essentially creating an entirely new recording), what happens?
if you have a paid subscription at the time, redoing a song could violate the structure unless its rearranged in a way it doesn't sound very much alike putting it in the cover category. Other than that the song is yours and you are able to copyright it so it becomes your work. I never buy royalty beats because it man claim royalty free, its actually a copyright work and some times loops, accapellas exceeding 8 seconds will violate those terms and your video or music can be banned.
I actually have a similar question, cause I'm on the Suno free tier, and I've put original lyrics in it, not knowing about the fine print... Is Suno saying that they can license MY lyrics and it could appear in someone else's output? And here I was, thinking I could use it to create copyright-free tracks for my UA-cam channel without scouring for hours to find the perfect royalty free track...
i use Suno somewhat as an engineer producer type process. My impression of the contract is that you use the free tier and post songs to the public forum you can hang up any rights period. The songs that you make in paid tiers have different rules. You can't post to their forum songs that have your uploaded samples. I create with Suno, but by time i finish with my track outside of Suno, it may only be 20% ai. Each tier should have its own terms and conditions. All jumbled together is quite confusing.
Some services states that you 'own' the output, but in some case I've seen terms that say that if you make any money from it, they will earn 50% of revenue generated if the music originated from their service!!! so how it that ownership?
Super curious how this all works if you manipulate & distinguish the output from suno. Eg. if you created a bassline with suno and built a song around it. At that point how would suno even detect it?
When dealing with copyright, it's best to be safe than sorry. Nobody wants to pay a $250,000 copyright violation penalty for a song that will likely make them $2-3 if that honestly.
I believe it says in the contract that you are not allowed to do that. Or maybe that was in the Udio contract. If you changed the lyrics and didn't reproduce the song exactly, there's not much they could do about it.
One thing to take into account is that it may not be a self contained system, but may have or introduce subprocessors later. That’s one reason why they claim such broad rights. They don’t want a situation where the input is processed by a third party, which is solely there to augment their own process, and when someone finds out, they sue them because ”I didn’t give Acme inc permission to process my data, only you!”
how would suno know if lyrics were written by someone or whether it was generated by there platform, because i write all my own stuff but only use the platform as im not musically gifted, note i am a paid subscriber, am i able to promote my stuff or put on other platforms with the chance of making money ? does the platform automatically save a copy of ones works even if you deleted it off the platform after you saved it to your computer
Their AI platform has record of all the the things it produced with a timestamp down to the millisecond. You can not monetize your output when using the free tier. Nothing is ever actually deleted from Suno's data center.
@@iGame3D what if im a paid user, can i sue them if they've used my lyrics, yet they wont allow me to make money by using there music for my lyrics sounds outrageous to me an eye for an eye as far as im concerned, considering there music is trained on other peoples in the first place
What if you just use Suno as a starter then you re-record and reaarange the compositions and add your own vocals and production like extra drums and guitars etc?
Locally run Ai is always going to be behind new releases from these companies, same reason I don’t understand why people use Linux, the amount of quality of life you lose for basic security is insane
@@JustRallax The more you have to lose the more value you place on security, autonomy, portability, predictability. You don't own your business if someone else can pull the plug.
Songs get traction by paying PR firms to promote them to radio stations and streaming platforms. Nothing is free. Oh yeah the 'Worldwide Trending" list on SUNO is dominated by an Army of people with dedicated social media following that 'likes' every single one of their tracks about 300 times before they even make it public. You can pay for farms like this in Asia, maybe the states too. They have like 100 phones on a table, all logged into the same URL, "Like", "like", "Like", "Like", 100 times, by one person with one finger.
@@LuisRdzG10 No you own EVERYTHING you plug in to Suno including lyrics. That's if you're on a paid plan btw. But I don't think anyone would sensibly plug anything into Suno on a free plan!
Suno also spits out non copywrited conflict music. It checks first before it finishes regenerating the data. but sometimes one progression might get in there that the mainstreamers are all using.
You can very easily get around the copyright issue by changing the speed, tempo, or pitch of any song before uploading the 60 second clip of it into Suno. You don't even need to change it a lot, increasing the speed of a song by 2% or 3% is enough.
You are awesome!! I went through these terms and was happy to read about the paid terms a couple months back, my issue comes with song placement with other artist, does that still fall under commercial use. As a songwriter I write everything and use some of my peoples production to create vibes through the site? Some of which industry artist have cut them in the studio. So when they release that record, under the paid terms which is Pro, is that ok?
So how is it difficult to understand them not allowing commercial use of output? They have trained their model on copyrighted material for which they had no permission on the first place. This whole system is completely illegal.
So, as long as you put something original in a song I can copywrite it. If I just strum one string in certain parts of the song, or drum would that be enough. It's something original. Or it has to be something substantial like a drum solo in the middle of the song?
If one resigsters something with the copywrite office does it get registered on that date Or if one gives em timestamped proof, will it get registered with the timestamp?
Good information. I am one of the paid tier users of Suno and I have recently started submitting the songs I make through a distributor as well that gets it on all or most music platforms (apple music, spotify, pandora, youtube music, etc.) I also make my lyrics outside of Suno as well so that Suno doesn't generate those as well. I have heard some people do songs with Suno that also uses its generation of them, and to be honest, isn't that good. I know there is also so much more I need to learn about marketing my music as well. Honestly I'm not worried about making any money from it, I only started to make music to help grow my UA-cam channel as I try and get myself to a point I can start adding other types of content as well. I know one of the things I was worried about with the music I make, if some big record label ends up hearing it and liking it, and wanting to buy it or whatever, I don't know how to approach that since the music portion and the vocals are AI currently. I do plan on trying to make my own music using the software available to actually make your own by manually selecting everything. I don't really see a record label coming to me about any of my music, but if one does, I will have to try and find a local lawyer that deals with this type of stuff and have them help me through it so it doesn't come back to bite me.
Love you and your valued information! Greatly appreciated my friend. Would love to see a video, going through the process of applying for copyright. I usually have the songs I am concerned about professionally drafted into sheet music. Thanks Again you are awesome sauce my friend!
Did you check to make sure there isnt two terms of service, one for free members and one for paid, because their main page, says that if you pay subscription you own the copyright, and dont need to use watermarks or say that you used Suno at all.
Suno has issues with contrary written comments regarding rights/privacy/distribution. I write my own lyrics/melodies, but would love a platform to provide virtual session players to flesh out the demos/songs. Whenever she mentions "Johnny," I'm reminded of Johnny Virgil and his meteoric rise and fall. Thank you, Miss, for your valuable insights!
I create AI music not for profit but to spread positivity and bring balance. I only went through a distributor to make my music available on Shazam.I use Suno because its terms align with my values. We have a unique chance to use music as a force for good, and that's my goal-whether my work is shared or not. Music can be a powerful tool to counter negativity, and I hope it reaches those who need it.
I do like SUNO. I do create music with it. I share that music on plattforms like spotify, apple, youtube and more. I dont make money with it. It is a hobby for me. I am open and friendly with AI music and art creating. I do even use it in my job for IT and software security. AI is the future. Nowadays many people are saying it is bad and evil and blablabla .... haters gonna hate. I dont care about the negative talk and people. They destroy their own lifetime with hate. I say have fun and enjoy the awesome stuff we can make with AI.
@@captainpollutiontv strange how some are so threatened by this art. I am doing the same as you and loving every moment of my creative work. My Suno songs are getting better as I improve my lyric writing and prompting. It's been an inspiration and light to me. To the haters, who cares about them.
I use Udio, I write all of my material and will be adding my own stems to it also more from me instead of it being solely a full Ai project. I don’t use Suno their voices sound too distinctive
Its actually pretty much clear if you just read the pricing conditions from the beginning. The biggest Lack until now on suno is the missing "proof" that this Song was created by you in Suno. Until now, they will tell you just to use your Bank Account and your Name that Shows you are a paid User.... And Udio is more advanced that Way, because they already include a license in the output which you can use as a "proof". However, free memberships should only be used for testing in ALL AI platforms! And you will have less problems later.
I'm using suno to help me with vocals. I chose suno because of the ownership of the content made with them. And pretty happy with the results. I relesae 11 commertial songs in a priod of the last 2 months. The vocals are good enough (after huge process) to be released commertialy in a music labels. Sorry for my english mistakes 😅
Why does it seem like these TOS are similar to those used for games? Is it because at its inception, this was the most comprehensive protection for the providers to treat AI as something for users' entertainment purposes only, and not as a digital musical instrument/tool? We have many plugins and effects now that are laced with AI. Are we going to get to a place where if we use any of those, they will start claiming ownership and free use of anything we create while using them? 🤔
I got Suno yesterday night to give it a go, and I can't even use what was advertised that I could use...it has Version 4 in the list of what I was supposed to be able to use, and it only lets me use Version 3.5...is anyone else out there having the same experience?
If you didn't pay for the service you are barred from uploading it to commercial websites. Even if you don't profit from the music, youtube, tiktok, etc, in theory will.
i had a quick thought.. If i used suno, for song and lyric ideas but i recorded all the instrument's and sang it myself? Could there be any backlash from that?
Udio is definitely better in a lot of ways. Clearer outputs, i like the way it is set up and more editing is possible. But Suno does make more creative outputs and adheres to the prompts better. Especially when doing mashup genres and whatnot but I like both just because they allow us to "own" what we get as outputs and makes making music so much faster and easier. Thank you for explaining the terms. I hardly ever try to read them because they are so hard to understand most of the time so i just try to ask the developers or moderators at least before using something
@@MuscleMomAmongUs-i7n They do clearly say you can use all output for commercial purposes as long as you're on a paid plan. You can't if you're on FREE. It's pretty clear!
Loved this video even though I don't personally use any AI music service. My question is could you cover other AI stuff? For example, I do have a subscription currently to Anthropics's AI, and even though I am in the clear, I'd just be cool to see you go through some more of these less niche AI services to see what their terms are. Maybe even the terms for OpenAI as well, of course, it's up to you and I get the specialization. Yet a lot of people use other more mainstream AI services a lot more often, such as Claude, to OpenAI, to even Google’s AI, and it'd be cool to see you go through their terms. Even if you decide not to take up my suggestion, I still enjoyed the video and quality time and effort you pulled together for us, so thank you!
I created something on Suno but didn't publish it on Suno... and everything created on Suno (free tier) and not published will be removed after certain number of days. Now that it disappeared from my created list, how will Suno claim it was theirs? Just an honest question because I already posted the song on UA-cam. And what if I created a good song on Suno during free tier, published it, then subscribed (paid), do I have the right to the song?
I signed up for the 10 bucks a month tier and made a bunch of songs. Now they're gone and I've been wondering if it was glitch on my side. So I logged out and back in and they're still gone.
Eso en mi país éso se conoce como "cláusulas abusivas". Y la mayoría de esas cláusulas violan derechos naturales. La mayoría de las plataformas digitales abusan de éso, ya que saben perfectamente que el usuario oprime los botones "aceptar" y "siguiente" sin leer nada. Pero como ley y justicia son dos cosas diferentes, es bueno ver (como dices tú) que en pocos meses muchas de esas plataformas desaparecen... Gracias por ocuparte..!
@@arijinal okay so it’s difficult to copyright 100% ai generated songs (obviously to protect real music artistry and its economic structure) but if you mix drums over the top or sing over it or do something original with it like write your own lyrics, heavy editing or audio engineering production on it then copyright is approved! These are called ai assisted songs and are allowed under creativity clauses, they cease being ai songs because you added a creative influence to it and you are human!
With a paid subscription to Suno, if I upload my own original lyrics and create various output songs from them, does Suno have the right to use those lyrics or finished songs? Also, am I able to copyright my output songs as long as I am using my own lyrics? I think it's a great platform for trying out different music styles for a set of lyrics. Also, how would this be affect copyright if you are using partial lyrics from Suno i.e. you want some suggestions from the A.I. to include in more verses...etc.?
Well, there is no copyrights in France, neither in many countries, then any copyriights consideration is of few interest. The point is that copyrights is very local to US. Regarding intellectual rights, Suno works rather well worldwide.
і як довести авторські права suno, коли в світовій юридичній практиці не існує цифрового права цифрової особистості цифрової власності? Автором виключно є лише людина, а розробники... невже це вони придумали гами, арпеджіо, закони гармонії, оркестровки, стилі, правила аранжування? Ні.
@@YeonakMusicFrance не існують, ви - вляпались зі своїм суно, що "пише музику". Вже зараз купа пісень, що, начебто, створило суно, гуляє у вільному доступі в інтернет мережі, переспіваних в іншій тональності з іншим аранжуванням, і автори отримують гонорари.
MY CONCERNS: I USED MY LYRICS, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE FUN TO HEAR THEM TO MUSIC, INCLUDING STYLES AND SUCH. THE PROMPTS WERE HOW I FELT THE LYRICS SHOULD BE HANDLED WITHIN A MUSICAL STYLE. I AM NOW UPSET THAT I LET THIS HAPPEN TO ME. I HAVE NOT MADE ANY OF THESE PUBLIC ON SUNO, AND NOW DON'T INTEND TO….. I HAVE HOWEVER DOWNLOADED THE MP3's of them. The lyrics are Mine and Mine alone, written many years ago Do you have any suggestions
Rule of thumb: If you upload *anything* to an online service, cloud etc. or use such a service to create anything, assume you are basically giving it to them. Always ask yourself, will you have the money to sue them.
@ I don’t think it’s even delusional greed, ai can absolutely be used to make money but this is by far the worst way to do it. Some people lack common sense.
I was aware of the terms that said using the paid service, you own the song, but the free one you don't. I wasn't aware that they are sooooo loose in everything else. It is like they are saying "Yo, it's all good bro...but also it's not, but kinda is...know what I mean?" I like what you said about copywrite of ai music as well. This was my interpretation. I have a lot of people that come by my channel and say that you can't do it. My position was that the case against it was for that specific piece of artwork but never said you could never copyright ai stuff. You just need to prove enough human interaction in order to satisfy whoever is going to stamp the approval. As far as the Sony v Suno / Udio lawsuit. I'm really curious if the recent win of Open ai against news agencies will impact this. They basically said "Yeah, I don't see a problem with ai learning from others works".
If you didn't pay, they could copyright strike you if it's on a paid platform. Not sure how much resources they are spending on scraping every single audio source on earth to detect copyright violation.
weird right? Like you can't say "Mom, I made a song!" you have to say "Mom, I made a song with Suno!" or the Suno Legal Team Flying Monkeys descend upon your home.
Wait... so basically, if i create a lo-fi instrumental with a paid Suno account and then I add my own adlibs to it... I can then legally copyright it???
Unless expressly authorized...like when you become a paying customer instead of using it for free. From the terms for commercial use and ownership "If you were subscribed with a Pro or Premier plan when the song was created, you are the owner of the song. You also retain the rights to commercial use for the song, even if you end your subscription. If you are using the free version of Suno (our Basic tier), we retain ownership of the songs you generate, but you are allowed to use those songs for non-commercial purposes, subject to your compliance with Suno’s Terms of Service."
Basically you can use it on your socials/anywhere BUT without getting any $$$ or any $$ involved. Its as simple as that. Tips/Donations you get from people/subs are fine.
you can't assert control over something that doesn't exist. You can also only transfer the rights that you have and that are transferable, and you can only bar someone from something if that is legally allowed by itself. You can't "own" an AI-generated thing any more than you can own an idea or sound. You can only own concrete implementations of ideas and recordings of sounds. Suno's algos don't "record" anything, they just generate it, using data "acquired" from gray-area sources. No human interaction on Suno's part - no way to assert their ownership. They can't "retain" ownership because there's nothing to retain. Also, they can't bar you from using your creation if that creation itself is already non-copyrightable and thus enters public domain as soon as shared. ToS not enforcable, my take on it. We'll say what happens if Suno sues someone - AFAIK, this didn't happen yet in ~year Suno's been running, and with ~15 million users and a lawsuit from major record companies, I think that Suno simply won't do that ever if it didn't yet, especialy since that would only bring it bad publicity and exactly $0 in direct revenue.
I uploaded my original music in SUNO and minutes after that I found fragments of my piece in someone else's generation by another user available to the public. That is horrific!
That is what is said in this video. They take all content and use it to generate AI content. They dont have any "own" data. All data of generator ia from user uploads. So never upload originals to these in their original state. Upload "raw demo" type material to get some ideas and then create it on your own. Be safe
@@iGame3D Do you think 'beating the drum' is all it takes to make what we call music? 1) Of the 8.1 billion people you're talking about, only 75 MILLION are music creators. 2) Of the 75M creators, only 12M use Suno. 3) Today there are just 4% of musicians are into the heavy metal genre, so it gives 480K. 4) I used Epic Sitar Metal. As a musician, I'm particular about my thing. Only about 1K of people on this Earth use this sub-genre of metal. 5) Now, out of those handfuls of people, how many would make the mistake of uploading their originals? 6) And out of those mistakes, how many tunes would sound exactly like mine? Tell me, what are the odds?
Hi Krystle I hope your ok. I’ve not tried Suno properly yet but I’ve used it a bit to see if it did what I needed. I’m not a drummer but I’m after a Japanese huge wardrum simple track 7 minutes long how would I get that and is AI even capable of doing that?
Please learn to write music yourself. It's not that hard and the satisfaction is light years ahead of some computer program. Don't encourage these mofos.
In SUNO, it is possible to remove the songs you generated. What is the implication of that, if I just remember the song and make it some other way once it is deleted?
Please. You know it is not black and white like that. Transferring copyrights in music with a single agreement, especially for future songs that haven’t been created, is problematic and unusual for several reasons. In copyright law, especially in the context of music, it’s crucial to be very specific when transferring rights. Agreements usually need to specify exactly which rights are being transferred, for which works, and for what duration. Copyright law is generally based on the principle that you should always specify the works involved when transferring rights. This specificity ensures clarity for both the creator and the party receiving the rights, helping to avoid disputes or misunderstandings about which works are covered. Such board agreements are legally complex and probably would not hold up in court if challenged.
does that mean suno if not really capable to enforce their "agreement"? I don't know how they can even monitor the trillions of songs that are going be produced on their platform. I think they have arround 7 million active users, and probably lots of them are going to violate "the terms" anyway, selling the songs trough distributors
TBH I would say that not only it's non-enforceable due to being too broad, it's also non-enforceable because you (i.e. Suno) can't claim something that nobody owns (i.e. the exclusive right to use content generated by a machine), and it's also probably non-enforceable due to all the infringements the AI-generating code creates itself, even if by chance. The Suno lawsuit is something to definitely monitor, as well as the Trump effect here. IMVHO in the end it'll be like with image AIs - the language of the ToS will soften after few legal actions are taken, and there will be just "do whatever you want with it, nobody own the generated content, and you still own the copyright to your original work" like it went with AI (see e.g. how Bing's or DALL-E's image gen ToS changed etc.)... why? Because it's actually beneficial for the corporations. It's also quite good for the free-tier musicians. It'll be really painful for mid-level professional producers though (IMVHO), same as it was with image gen engines.
What happens if the song was generated by AI, say an instrumental; however, you took that song, or parts of several songs which are all AI generated BUT sliced them together to make a new song: in other words, an Arrangement? Curious how that works and not sure if there's an answer? All of the music AI generated (no protected) but the arrangement, how the song progresses, was assembled by a human? Curious about your thoughts.
I think that falls into the category of "made partly with a.i." that she mentioned. Kinda same as using samples of human made songs; it's a new piece, but they are credited and get some share of the royalties. With Suno though, you're not allowed to monetize it at all if it was made with a free subscription, and with paid one you get all royalties.
So, Suno has the right to license your content to be used in a movie soundtrack or tv? Sounds like Suno gets the right to use uploaded content however it wants. Is that your read?
I think it means that anything you use to generate AI content with the service can end up as part of the training data for the AI generation for everyone else forever.
i used lalals(not lalala) but someone said i could only use vocals and that i couldn't use their instrumental(sounds weird to me since never saw on website where it stated this) but now i use a website called ai music although ai music is a suspicious website maybe i'll go to suno at some point
All contracts mean nothing. And any real Good Lawyer knows it. I had a contract for my IP's with a publisher, they violated the contract, sold a product from that IP for over the 7 years contract period. and paid nothing to its creator and owner, for sale that did transpire. That IP was for both the Copyright and Trademark through the Canadian Intellectual Properties Office. That said, the company that did this, will now face the fact of not paying for those works that were sold. because I'll be notifying the IRS for their non complacence with Tax Regulations, and causing the owner to not be able to comply with his Tax compliance. As for time limits that many lawyer push, That's up to the Judge in any case. Every case is weighed by whatever reason surround that case.
I only have one question regarding Suno and what you just explained here... Let's say someone is using Suno in order to create previews/prototypes of songs that they eventually want to produce in a studio (i.e. a legit song made by real people, recorded on site), would Suno be able to claim copyrights on that because of the similarities with the prototype created first through their service? It's not the first time I see people being inspired to record actual songs based on what they created with Suno (myself included), but would that even be possible? I somehow highly doubt that mentioning the song was originally created/prototyped using Suno would be enough for them, especially if it's a hit making a decent amount of money...
Yes if the final material sounds enough like what SUNO generated they could claim ownership unless you paid them for the service while you made it. 170 millon songs made by AI by 07/2024. The days of "hits" are over, everyone will have their own songs in their pocket on demand by July 2025.
I write my own songs, i also pre write the style. The genre to where it's just a cut and paste .and all songs are copyright before I even opened the app.
Just for fun I created some Christmas songs with the help of chat gpt, Suno and Audimee as wel las my personal input (lyric changes, lyric, basics, additions, adding Instruments, Effects, mixing, mastering etc.). Via Ditto I posted these Songs on Spotify, Deezer, amazon music and Tidal , primarily to make them available for friends and family. I cleIarly stated that A.I. programs were used. Is there anything illegal or risky about that apart the Suno could "use" my Output in their own interest.The will not get very rich with that anyhow 😁 Thanks, Alexis (Austia/Europe)
Doesn’t bother me what SUNO does with my input. I am interested only in how I can use the ‘output’. I’m a paid member and each song I do in SUNO might be different from others. I might upload myself whistling a melody or upload an audio track then use SUNO’s lyrics based on my lyric idea prompt. I might input my own lyrics and use SUNO’s music. I might only input a few basic prompts such as a song idea and the genre I want then let SUNO have a go at creating a total song. It varies. One thing’s for sure. It can take ages to get a good song result from SUNO and many times I have given up on one idea totally. It’s not an instant hit making program. Some of their sounds are poxy. They stuff up the lyric phrasing and timing nine times out of ten too. You need to persevere. And I use it commercially. Why wouldn’t I? It entails a lot of time and effort by me.
Please yes, make a video on how to register for copyright AI-assisted song, I can even be a guinea pig an assist in some sort of quid pro quo arranngement beneficial to us both! LMK! =)
So because the NASA engineers went to public school and learned pulicly available math and engineering lessons, everything NASA creates should be public domain? Everything made with AI can't be copyrighted because it was made by a machine, that is the law of the land.
SUNO should be considered a tool for producers/writers to get ideas or for personal enjoyment, not for monetizing full songs created on the plaform. Besides, the quality sucks for professional use.
Have you ever covered the ai App, Donna? I would be very curious what the legal rights are to that platform. I love the work you are doing on your channel btw.
@@StratsRUs Maybe as a website but it is app on iPhone and I assume they have it for Android. I have a subscription that I am going to cancel soon until I need it again. I used it to write a revenge rap for a guy who is a stalker and beats women, called Gary Scary. I wrote the lyrics. The subscription is like $9.98 a month or cheaper if you purchase for the year. There are different extras, too. Like separating the vocals and instrumentals for an extra charge and it's like $16.00 to download a certificate of ownership if you want to use it commercially. I would be curious if one even needs it. I would love to see it covered here to look at their agreement and small print because my friend uses it a lot more than I did. I only wrote 2 songs, Donna created the arrangement. I probably would write some podcast intros and other project related material if I knew downloading the certificate and filing for copyright would protect me. It does a pretty good job, but I have no idea where it got its training. It says with the subscription you can use any of your work commercially but I think the extra cost for the cert dl file gives us an extra layer of cred to offer up to any argument on copyright. How legal that holds up, that's not my area of expertise. Hope to see this channel cover it some day.
What are your thoughts on AI generated music?
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@@DaveHoltArtMusic Agreed. A few dollars there, a few amazon purchases later, you got yourself something that most DJs do already.
1.1.2025 FB updates their TOS. Without, you can contest them, besides delete your account. What does that imply to users of this popular social media?
Just wanted to let you know on the link to your website, "monetize" is spelled "monitize" so there's a typo on there.
From the information I get from your show, the problem is in identifying what is AI and embedded, licensed beats and/or samples. The only thing I think can stop some issues is to embed a code in all AI generated showing what part is AI. Beats and Samples sold also need a unique ID, so people can't create a problem using Content ID.
Yes please, create a tutorial on how to create a music copyright that is AI assisted. Thanks for your work.
@@giri.goyo_yt I would like that too
AI assisted just means its not 100% AI so creating your own lyrics for instance means its not 100% AI its AI assisted.
I agree.
part of that is in the mastering process stamping the copywrite to the data. You can have a bank sign a notary otherwards a sealed envelope that is proof you are owner of the brand or band name and It's so much easier just to time stamp the mp3 file or itunes file etc. You can't change the initial time stamp you can update the time but the original should be always connected to the file or mp3, wav etc.
@@painlesstragedy can you elaborate? I don't fully understand (please)?
If I have a paid account in suno and use the lyrics that I wrote but then turn around and take a melody I created in suno but reconstruct the song in Logic and get my own singer and try to copyright that song. Suno basically becomes the tool to help guide you to a good melody but the final result would have a few changes I did in Logic or protools
what if i create an instrumental using paid tier. then use that in a short film on youtube. then my subscription expires. my channel is monetized. does it thus become a problem or do i retain all rights to use it in the shortfilm since i created it with a paid subscription
If you create it while paid suscription you own it, even if you cancel later you still own it. Its that simple.
@dnaEil13 that also is my understanding based on their terms that i read
Unfortunately anyone can be sued for anything even if they know they won’t win & your legal fees will bust you. Seen it happen before.
@@groggyrob big tech companies are just unfair towards the consumer
that's the exact reason why I refused to pay suno... it is not clear at all if you have to keep paying them for life to keep the rights... i'd rather use it just for fun experimenting
This all sounds like a toy that they know can break so they've got their liability clause ready protecting themselves from any future problems. It sounds as if they made a toy and said, "you're on your own if you use our toy and if you don't pay our monthly subscription, you don't get to keep the toy or anything you did with it without a license from us." Am I understanding this correctly?? Could you imagine if Akai, Korg, Roland etc. decided to have rules like this when we make original music with their toys? A.I. has been cool to hear new sounds and EFX but to use platforms like this creatively in my songs, I must decline. They need to have better rules for this. As of now, it sounds like a big problem I'd rather avoid. Thanks for keeping us updated!
Do you get to keep HBO after you stop paying for it? How about that car you got an Uber ride from? A service is a service is a service.
@iGame3D We don't keep HBO when we stop paying for a subscription because we never owned HBO intellectual copyrights or create using HBO. It's a service, as you say. But as creators who create, things are getting trickier. Owning our intellectual copyright is critically important to getting paid. Until recent years, the line between company intellectual rights and user intellectual rights was not blurred. Now, it seems as if creators are being told that they don't own anything they've created or uploaded after a subscription is cancelled. It's a massive wake-up call to really read the TOS to make sure this is a beneficial service worth using. It's just a shame that modern terms of service are written in a way that users give up their intellectual copyrights just because they decided to use the service. I do hope things get better though.
@@iGame3D I understand what you're trying to say. We can use the service or not. Although, I feel it's not quite exactly the same. HBO example: we are the person that created the movie on HBO and HBO is saying it's theirs now. Uber example: we are the driver and Uber is saying it's their car now. Either way, reading TOS is important. ☺️
To begin, I want to say that I love your videos, they are both informative and entertaining.
I’d like to weigh in because I use Suno for all the songs on my channel, and I prefer it over Udio due to my musical taste. While Udio has better voice quality, its music often feels bland and uninspired to me.
I actually find Suno’s terms of service to be quite fair. Since I’m using their AI, it seems reasonable that it gets trained on my input (lyrics, instruments, my voice, etc.). I frequently use the upload feature to create songs, and I don’t mind contributing to improve their AI. I also understand that, given the sheer volume of outputs, it’s possible for the AI to produce something that closely resembles or even matches one of my outputs. Therefor In the ongoing court case, I wouldn’t be surprised if they argue that training their AI on copyrighted music was necessary not to reproduce it, but to teach the AI what not to use due to copyright restrictions. By doing so, the AI also learns what it can use and how to structure songs. Essentially, they may claim they had no choice because, given the high volume of outputs, it would only be a matter of time before the AI unintentionally outputted copyrighted music.
Most people creating AI songs aren’t doing it for money or fame, they just want to share their ideas and thoughts with the world. I know firsthand how much time can go into crafting just one AI song, even though many people won’t appreciate the effort simply because it involves AI. And that’s perfectly fine.
@@Corteliax totally agree that creating anything with AI assiatance takes a lot of work. most people think quality stuff pours out at the click of a button.
@@bambubombon exactly, it can take me weeks to "perfect" one track, and it's by no means perfect, just something that resonates with me, that said, I do also download the stems and use mix the track to remove any errors that AI often outputs, like repeated words that don't correspond with the lyrics I wrote. etc. but now with v4 I find it makes even more mistakes as well as artifacts.
May I ask you how you hit 1000 subscribers? I also make music with Suno, but it's pretty hard to get people to subscribe to the channel...
@@MúsicascomIAofc I had one song people really liked. They shared it everywhere they could. It was very unsuspected for me. Some stayed around because they also liked the other songs I made.
@@MúsicascomIAofc hola, yo también hago música con IA, aun no llego a los 1000, hace más de un año que tengo el canal, debes tener paciencia y ser constante, esto es nuevo y es difícil para que YT muestre nuestros videos, nadie pone en el buscador música o canciones creadas con IA, nadie nos busca , entiendes, mucha, suerte, ahora paso a visitarte, saludos desde Neuquén (Argentina)
8:20 The ownership with a paid subscription is the reason I chose Suno. I'm not trying to monetize the dozens of AI-assisted music pieces I generated, however, it is nice to know I can, should I get good enough to sell something, one day.
Same here!
What if you use GPT to create the lyrics and then Suno to sing it?
You own YOUR contribution, and according to GPT3.5 you can take ownership if you make a significant contribution to what the AI generated. So if all you did was use the prompts in the Need Ideas section of Suno, it might not qualify. If you write a micro-story, like I do at times, and the AI assists you in creating a song, you can take ownership of that. You can only copyright YOUR contribution, not what the AI generated.
@@climjames Cheers!
Udio is the same.
Very interesting video, but I have a question. If I generated a song with Suno (using lyrics I own) and, for specific reasons (such as tonal adjustments), I completely remake it with different sounds while keeping the structure, melody, and arrangement, and then have it sung by a singer I want to promote (essentially creating an entirely new recording), what happens?
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if you have a paid subscription at the time, redoing a song could violate the structure unless its rearranged in a way it doesn't sound very much alike putting it in the cover category. Other than that the song is yours and you are able to copyright it so it becomes your work. I never buy royalty beats because it man claim royalty free, its actually a copyright work and some times loops, accapellas exceeding 8 seconds will violate those terms and your video or music can be banned.
I actually have a similar question, cause I'm on the Suno free tier, and I've put original lyrics in it, not knowing about the fine print... Is Suno saying that they can license MY lyrics and it could appear in someone else's output?
And here I was, thinking I could use it to create copyright-free tracks for my UA-cam channel without scouring for hours to find the perfect royalty free track...
@@MireilleAntone yes. it can appear in other instrumentals. your best bet is to copyright the lyrics first. before adding them to any ai platforms
What’s funny is you thinking lyrics makes the rest of the song yours. But who cares about the producer?
i use Suno somewhat as an engineer producer type process. My impression of the contract is that you use the free tier and post songs to the public forum you can hang up any rights period. The songs that you make in paid tiers have different rules. You can't post to their forum songs that have your uploaded samples. I create with Suno, but by time i finish with my track outside of Suno, it may only be 20% ai. Each tier should have its own terms and conditions. All jumbled together is quite confusing.
Some services states that you 'own' the output, but in some case I've seen terms that say that if you make any money from it, they will earn 50% of revenue generated if the music originated from their service!!! so how it that ownership?
Super curious how this all works if you manipulate & distinguish the output from suno. Eg. if you created a bassline with suno and built a song around it. At that point how would suno even detect it?
When dealing with copyright, it's best to be safe than sorry. Nobody wants to pay a $250,000 copyright violation penalty for a song that will likely make them $2-3 if that honestly.
What if I re-record a Suno song, replace all the track like a cover song, what happens then?
I believe it says in the contract that you are not allowed to do that. Or maybe that was in the Udio contract. If you changed the lyrics and didn't reproduce the song exactly, there's not much they could do about it.
One thing to take into account is that it may not be a self contained system, but may have or introduce subprocessors later. That’s one reason why they claim such broad rights. They don’t want a situation where the input is processed by a third party, which is solely there to augment their own process, and when someone finds out, they sue them because ”I didn’t give Acme inc permission to process my data, only you!”
how would suno know if lyrics were written by someone or whether it was generated by there platform, because i write all my own stuff but only use the platform as im not musically gifted, note i am a paid subscriber, am i able to promote my stuff or put on other platforms with the chance of making money ? does the platform automatically save a copy of ones works even if you deleted it off the platform after you saved it to your computer
good question.
Their AI platform has record of all the the things it produced with a timestamp down to the millisecond. You can not monetize your output when using the free tier. Nothing is ever actually deleted from Suno's data center.
@@iGame3D what if im a paid user, can i sue them if they've used my lyrics, yet they wont allow me to make money by using there music for my lyrics sounds outrageous to me an eye for an eye as far as im concerned, considering there music is trained on other peoples in the first place
What if you just use Suno as a starter then you re-record and reaarange the compositions and add your own vocals and production like extra drums and guitars etc?
Locally run AI is everything.
Locally run Ai is always going to be behind new releases from these companies, same reason I don’t understand why people use Linux, the amount of quality of life you lose for basic security is insane
@@JustRallax The more you have to lose the more value you place on security, autonomy, portability, predictability. You don't own your business if someone else can pull the plug.
@@BlackMatt2k now you understand how money works....
@@JustRallax maybe - but maybe not for the purpose you use it.. because it can be trained to fit your special needs..
For example?
What i do if i release a song , i check first if i get no hits on google and shazam.
Songs get traction by paying PR firms to promote them to radio stations and streaming platforms. Nothing is free. Oh yeah the 'Worldwide Trending" list on SUNO is dominated by an Army of people with dedicated social media following that 'likes' every single one of their tracks about 300 times before they even make it public. You can pay for farms like this in Asia, maybe the states too. They have like 100 phones on a table, all logged into the same URL, "Like", "like", "Like", "Like", 100 times, by one person with one finger.
Question, If I plug in a few prompts but use my own lyrics, do they now own my lyrics, or can I use my own lyrics any way I choose?
I've done that.. have the same question, I regret doing that now. Damn platforms.
@@LuisRdzG10 No you own EVERYTHING you plug in to Suno including lyrics. That's if you're on a paid plan btw. But I don't think anyone would sensibly plug anything into Suno on a free plan!
@@LuisRdzG10 I used my own lyrics as well ,,,,, I wrote them years ago I'm so sad now
I think you still own your lyrics but your just giving suno permission to possible use them
I don t speak english very well can someone tell me what she said ? When do we can use suno for our youtube channel and be monitized ?
Suno also spits out non copywrited conflict music. It checks first before it finishes regenerating the data. but sometimes one progression might get in there that the mainstreamers are all using.
You can very easily get around the copyright issue by changing the speed, tempo, or pitch of any song before uploading the 60 second clip of it into Suno. You don't even need to change it a lot, increasing the speed of a song by 2% or 3% is enough.
@@MarvinPowell1 yes. Sometimes had to change 10-15% - or you can use 1 verse - or 2 extend add 3-4th verse etc - from lyrics - for covers -
You are awesome!! I went through these terms and was happy to read about the paid terms a couple months back, my issue comes with song placement with other artist, does that still fall under commercial use. As a songwriter I write everything and use some of my peoples production to create vibes through the site? Some of which industry artist have cut them in the studio. So when they release that record, under the paid terms which is Pro, is that ok?
Given my name is actually johnny. I really appreciate that she’s speaking directly to me.
So how is it difficult to understand them not allowing commercial use of output? They have trained their model on copyrighted material for which they had no permission on the first place. This whole system is completely illegal.
So, as long as you put something original in a song I can copywrite it. If I just strum one string in certain parts of the song, or drum would that be enough. It's something original. Or it has to be something substantial like a drum solo in the middle of the song?
No the U.S. Copyright Office alraedy ruled that if the work is substantially machine generated then it can't be copyrighted.
If one resigsters something with the copywrite office does it get registered on that date
Or if one gives em timestamped proof, will it get registered with the timestamp?
Good information. I am one of the paid tier users of Suno and I have recently started submitting the songs I make through a distributor as well that gets it on all or most music platforms (apple music, spotify, pandora, youtube music, etc.) I also make my lyrics outside of Suno as well so that Suno doesn't generate those as well. I have heard some people do songs with Suno that also uses its generation of them, and to be honest, isn't that good.
I know there is also so much more I need to learn about marketing my music as well. Honestly I'm not worried about making any money from it, I only started to make music to help grow my UA-cam channel as I try and get myself to a point I can start adding other types of content as well.
I know one of the things I was worried about with the music I make, if some big record label ends up hearing it and liking it, and wanting to buy it or whatever, I don't know how to approach that since the music portion and the vocals are AI currently. I do plan on trying to make my own music using the software available to actually make your own by manually selecting everything. I don't really see a record label coming to me about any of my music, but if one does, I will have to try and find a local lawyer that deals with this type of stuff and have them help me through it so it doesn't come back to bite me.
Which distributor did you choose? and how difficult was it to be accepted by them?
Thank you 🙏 I love Suna ❤🎉
Love you and your valued information! Greatly appreciated my friend. Would love to see a video, going through the process of applying for copyright. I usually have the songs I am concerned about professionally drafted into sheet music. Thanks Again you are awesome sauce my friend!
I just did an album using my original lyrics. I applied for copyright under performing arts and just did my lyrics not the music portion
Did you check to make sure there isnt two terms of service, one for free members and one for paid, because their main page, says that if you pay subscription you own the copyright, and dont need to use watermarks or say that you used Suno at all.
Suno has issues with contrary written comments regarding rights/privacy/distribution. I write my own lyrics/melodies, but would love a platform to provide virtual session players to flesh out the demos/songs. Whenever she mentions "Johnny," I'm reminded of Johnny Virgil and his meteoric rise and fall. Thank you, Miss, for your valuable insights!
Adios Sunos, nice knowing you. I can write it myself.
I create AI music not for profit but to spread positivity and bring balance. I only went through a distributor to make my music available on Shazam.I use Suno because its terms align with my values. We have a unique chance to use music as a force for good, and that's my goal-whether my work is shared or not. Music can be a powerful tool to counter negativity, and I hope it reaches those who need it.
Not with a paid plan.
@@Sascha-wj9qz What happens when you stop paying them?
@@MindBodySoulOk it says anything made while you're paying is yours so if you stop paying anything you create after would be theirs
Hello. Which distribution company did you apply to?
Sounds like a big part of the “rights” to “use” the client’s inputs, is in reference to the process of generating the music/songs from said inputs.
I do like SUNO. I do create music with it. I share that music on plattforms like spotify, apple, youtube and more. I dont make money with it. It is a hobby for me. I am open and friendly with AI music and art creating. I do even use it in my job for IT and software security. AI is the future. Nowadays many people are saying it is bad and evil and blablabla .... haters gonna hate. I dont care about the negative talk and people. They destroy their own lifetime with hate. I say have fun and enjoy the awesome stuff we can make with AI.
Thank you for trying to kill humanity's spirit.
I dont try anything like that. I just use software tools to create art and improve digital protection.
@@captainpollutiontv strange how some are so threatened by this art. I am doing the same as you and loving every moment of my creative work. My Suno songs are getting better as I improve my lyric writing and prompting. It's been an inspiration and light to me. To the haters, who cares about them.
I use Udio, I write all of my material and will be adding my own stems to it also more from me instead of it being solely a full Ai project. I don’t use Suno their voices sound too distinctive
What do you think if I created a work in pro membership but I remade it from scratch but the beats sound similar?
Its actually pretty much clear if you just read the pricing conditions from the beginning. The biggest Lack until now on suno is the missing "proof" that this Song was created by you in Suno. Until now, they will tell you just to use your Bank Account and your Name that Shows you are a paid User.... And Udio is more advanced that Way, because they already include a license in the output which you can use as a "proof". However, free memberships should only be used for testing in ALL AI platforms! And you will have less problems later.
Thanks for the Information. This is very helpful to have. It nice that you break down everything.
I'm using suno to help me with vocals. I chose suno because of the ownership of the content made with them. And pretty happy with the results. I relesae 11 commertial songs in a priod of the last 2 months. The vocals are good enough (after huge process) to be released commertialy in a music labels. Sorry for my english mistakes 😅
My fri3nd wanted to do ownership yet screwed themselves over to do this
Why does it seem like these TOS are similar to those used for games? Is it because at its inception, this was the most comprehensive protection for the providers to treat AI as something for users' entertainment purposes only, and not as a digital musical instrument/tool? We have many plugins and effects now that are laced with AI. Are we going to get to a place where if we use any of those, they will start claiming ownership and free use of anything we create while using them? 🤔
I got Suno yesterday night to give it a go, and I can't even use what was advertised that I could use...it has Version 4 in the list of what I was supposed to be able to use, and it only lets me use Version 3.5...is anyone else out there having the same experience?
You need to click on Version 4 up at the very top
@@philippinestroppoholic7996 Yeah, I did that, but when I do anything it reverts back to the lower version...
What about uploading the music for UA-cam, Tiktok, etc. for a video that Sungai created with the words you input???
If you didn't pay for the service you are barred from uploading it to commercial websites. Even if you don't profit from the music, youtube, tiktok, etc, in theory will.
I told him to open the membership up and then copyright all sounds then flip it on the record labels
i had a quick thought.. If i used suno, for song and lyric ideas but i recorded all the instrument's and sang it myself? Could there be any backlash from that?
Hey - please join us tonight on the Livestream at 5 pm PST and ask then. I try to answer as many questions as possible.
Hi, what an awesome service you provide for people, thank you ❤
Udio is definitely better in a lot of ways. Clearer outputs, i like the way it is set up and more editing is possible. But Suno does make more creative outputs and adheres to the prompts better. Especially when doing mashup genres and whatnot but I like both just because they allow us to "own" what we get as outputs and makes making music so much faster and easier. Thank you for explaining the terms. I hardly ever try to read them because they are so hard to understand most of the time so i just try to ask the developers or moderators at least before using something
Their FAQs say you can use it for commercial purposes. I'm starting to get very upset with Suno's FAQs conflicting with the TOS.
You can use it for commercial purposes only for the songs you create while on a paid tier.
Yeah they can be sue for false advertising
@@MuscleMomAmongUs-i7n They do clearly say you can use all output for commercial purposes as long as you're on a paid plan. You can't if you're on FREE. It's pretty clear!
Loved this video even though I don't personally use any AI music service. My question is could you cover other AI stuff? For example, I do have a subscription currently to Anthropics's AI, and even though I am in the clear, I'd just be cool to see you go through some more of these less niche AI services to see what their terms are. Maybe even the terms for OpenAI as well, of course, it's up to you and I get the specialization. Yet a lot of people use other more mainstream AI services a lot more often, such as Claude, to OpenAI, to even Google’s AI, and it'd be cool to see you go through their terms. Even if you decide not to take up my suggestion, I still enjoyed the video and quality time and effort you pulled together for us, so thank you!
I created something on Suno but didn't publish it on Suno... and everything created on Suno (free tier) and not published will be removed after certain number of days. Now that it disappeared from my created list, how will Suno claim it was theirs? Just an honest question because I already posted the song on UA-cam.
And what if I created a good song on Suno during free tier, published it, then subscribed (paid), do I have the right to the song?
I signed up for the 10 bucks a month tier and made a bunch of songs. Now they're gone and I've been wondering if it was glitch on my side. So I logged out and back in and they're still gone.
@@TheChristmasMelodyRoom So, have you asked Suno about this problem?
@TheChristmasMelodyRoom, That’s weird. I’m using a free account and I have every song I have ever made (over 400). None disappear.
Eso en mi país éso se conoce como "cláusulas abusivas". Y la mayoría de esas cláusulas violan derechos naturales. La mayoría de las plataformas digitales abusan de éso, ya que saben perfectamente que el usuario oprime los botones "aceptar" y "siguiente" sin leer nada. Pero como ley y justicia son dos cosas diferentes, es bueno ver (como dices tú) que en pocos meses muchas de esas plataformas desaparecen...
Gracias por ocuparte..!
Yes please show us how to register and copyright the song partially made by a.i
@@arijinal okay so it’s difficult to copyright 100% ai generated songs (obviously to protect real music artistry and its economic structure) but if you mix drums over the top or sing over it or do something original with it like write your own lyrics, heavy editing or audio engineering production on it then copyright is approved! These are called ai assisted songs and are allowed under creativity clauses, they cease being ai songs because you added a creative influence to it and you are human!
@ thanks for the info!
@@poorsillyboythat's what i intend to do.. but what software did u use to register the copyright protrction?
Suno-created songs are just more of a bop that Udio-created songs.
I think the premier version have commercial license
With a paid subscription to Suno, if I upload my own original lyrics and create various output songs from them, does Suno have the right to use those lyrics or finished songs? Also, am I able to copyright my output songs as long as I am using my own lyrics? I think it's a great platform for trying out different music styles for a set of lyrics. Also, how would this be affect copyright if you are using partial lyrics from Suno i.e. you want some suggestions from the A.I. to include in more verses...etc.?
Well, there is no copyrights in France, neither in many countries, then any copyriights consideration is of few interest. The point is that copyrights is very local to US. Regarding intellectual rights, Suno works rather well worldwide.
і як довести авторські права suno, коли в світовій юридичній практиці не існує цифрового права цифрової особистості цифрової власності? Автором виключно є лише людина, а розробники... невже це вони придумали гами, арпеджіо, закони гармонії, оркестровки, стилі, правила аранжування? Ні.
@@yarunskiy there are other legal practices but he " copyrights " has no legal value here.
@@YeonakMusicFrance не існують, ви - вляпались зі своїм суно, що "пише музику". Вже зараз купа пісень, що, начебто, створило суно, гуляє у вільному доступі в інтернет мережі, переспіваних в іншій тональності з іншим аранжуванням, і автори отримують гонорари.
Hello! Could you make about the Aimusic? I've been using that and was thinking about realising music
MY CONCERNS:
I USED MY LYRICS, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE FUN TO HEAR THEM TO MUSIC, INCLUDING STYLES AND SUCH.
THE PROMPTS WERE HOW I FELT THE LYRICS SHOULD BE HANDLED WITHIN A MUSICAL STYLE.
I AM NOW UPSET THAT I LET THIS HAPPEN TO ME.
I HAVE NOT MADE ANY OF THESE PUBLIC ON SUNO, AND NOW DON'T INTEND TO…..
I HAVE HOWEVER DOWNLOADED THE MP3's of them.
The lyrics are Mine and Mine alone, written many years ago Do you have any suggestions
Thanks a lot so in resume its not possible to release AI music only if i produce some and use some of AI ?
Rule of thumb: If you upload *anything* to an online service, cloud etc. or use such a service to create anything, assume you are basically giving it to them. Always ask yourself, will you have the money to sue them.
Trying to make any sort of money from ai generated music at this point of time is dumb in itself
@@JustRallax There is so much delusional greed in the world. "I got a whole band for free! I'll make money from it!"
@ I don’t think it’s even delusional greed, ai can absolutely be used to make money but this is by far the worst way to do it. Some people lack common sense.
Is it possible to pay the monthly subscription once and use the songs to distribute it online? like I won’t be paying the subscription again, right?
as long as you generated the songs during paid subs that songs is totally yours even if you stop subs
question: so basically we can't monetize suno songs on UA-cam?
I was aware of the terms that said using the paid service, you own the song, but the free one you don't. I wasn't aware that they are sooooo loose in everything else. It is like they are saying "Yo, it's all good bro...but also it's not, but kinda is...know what I mean?"
I like what you said about copywrite of ai music as well. This was my interpretation. I have a lot of people that come by my channel and say that you can't do it. My position was that the case against it was for that specific piece of artwork but never said you could never copyright ai stuff. You just need to prove enough human interaction in order to satisfy whoever is going to stamp the approval.
As far as the Sony v Suno / Udio lawsuit. I'm really curious if the recent win of Open ai against news agencies will impact this. They basically said "Yeah, I don't see a problem with ai learning from others works".
So I’m now confused. I used Suno to make a piano track to run in the background of my audiobook. Should I not be doing that?
If you didn't pay, they could copyright strike you if it's on a paid platform. Not sure how much resources they are spending on scraping every single audio source on earth to detect copyright violation.
What? Why do you need to give attribution if it’s only for your own internal, personal use?! Attribution implies publication. 😕
weird right? Like you can't say "Mom, I made a song!" you have to say "Mom, I made a song with Suno!" or the Suno Legal Team Flying Monkeys descend upon your home.
This applies to prob most of the social media that you post your contents to
For sure. We live in a User Agreement.
Question: If you have a paid membership with suno can you use music you create on your monetized UA-cam channel?
I think you can. Assuming I understood what I read.
Your name brings up a question, What makes using Universal Pictures not a violation of trademark. Is it how it is spelled or what?
Yes and in visual media as well.
Of course you can. You force your granmda to sing with sterm look and monetise it. This is music. There are no morals.
@@climjames Oh its huge one and would be rejected by distributors. Immediately. Straight to name jail.
Wait... so basically, if i create a lo-fi instrumental with a paid Suno account and then I add my own adlibs to it... I can then legally copyright it???
You can copyright the part you added. Copyright office says:"AI generated anything is not copyrightable"
Unless expressly authorized...like when you become a paying customer instead of using it for free. From the terms for commercial use and ownership "If you were subscribed with a Pro or Premier plan when the song was created, you are the owner of the song. You also retain the rights to commercial use for the song, even if you end your subscription.
If you are using the free version of Suno (our Basic tier), we retain ownership of the songs you generate, but you are allowed to use those songs for non-commercial purposes, subject to your compliance with Suno’s Terms of Service."
Basically you can use it on your socials/anywhere BUT without getting any $$$ or any $$ involved. Its as simple as that. Tips/Donations you get from people/subs are fine.
you can't assert control over something that doesn't exist. You can also only transfer the rights that you have and that are transferable, and you can only bar someone from something if that is legally allowed by itself. You can't "own" an AI-generated thing any more than you can own an idea or sound. You can only own concrete implementations of ideas and recordings of sounds. Suno's algos don't "record" anything, they just generate it, using data "acquired" from gray-area sources. No human interaction on Suno's part - no way to assert their ownership. They can't "retain" ownership because there's nothing to retain. Also, they can't bar you from using your creation if that creation itself is already non-copyrightable and thus enters public domain as soon as shared.
ToS not enforcable, my take on it. We'll say what happens if Suno sues someone - AFAIK, this didn't happen yet in ~year Suno's been running, and with ~15 million users and a lawsuit from major record companies, I think that Suno simply won't do that ever if it didn't yet, especialy since that would only bring it bad publicity and exactly $0 in direct revenue.
I uploaded my original music in SUNO and minutes after that I found fragments of my piece in someone else's generation by another user available to the public. That is horrific!
@@masterprimal omg 😦 that’s insane
No Suno AI f or me if these shenanigans continue.
That is what is said in this video. They take all content and use it to generate AI content. They dont have any "own" data. All data of generator ia from user uploads. So never upload originals to these in their original state. Upload "raw demo" type material to get some ideas and then create it on your own. Be safe
There are 8.1 billion people in the world. everyone beating on their own drum will eventually reproduce the same beat millions of times.
@@iGame3D Do you think 'beating the drum' is all it takes to make what we call music?
1) Of the 8.1 billion people you're talking about, only 75 MILLION are music creators.
2) Of the 75M creators, only 12M use Suno.
3) Today there are just 4% of musicians are into the heavy metal genre, so it gives 480K.
4) I used Epic Sitar Metal. As a musician, I'm particular about my thing. Only about 1K of people on this Earth use this sub-genre of metal.
5) Now, out of those handfuls of people, how many would make the mistake of uploading their originals?
6) And out of those mistakes, how many tunes would sound exactly like mine?
Tell me, what are the odds?
Hi Krystle I hope your ok. I’ve not tried Suno properly yet but I’ve used it a bit to see if it did what I needed. I’m not a drummer but I’m after a Japanese huge wardrum simple track 7 minutes long how would I get that and is AI even capable of doing that?
I write lyrics and put them into suno to make songs. I upload them to UA-cam, Should I put the name suno in the description or in the title?
Please learn to write music yourself. It's not that hard and the satisfaction is light years ahead of some computer program. Don't encourage these mofos.
I did that, just in case ;) I have a free account with Suno 😅
@@Kitania wait, even if we give credit to Suno they still own our output, no? Since we are not paid users?
@@dinanmusicofficial I think it's the case.
Yes please show us how to register a copyright of a song that has AI in it PLEASE
Please search copyrighting videos; the information is in there!
Is soundraw the same?
In SUNO, it is possible to remove the songs you generated. What is the implication of that, if I just remember the song and make it some other way once it is deleted?
The songs will be on their system until the Skynet is taken offline by the Resistance...so forever.
Please. You know it is not black and white like that. Transferring copyrights in music with a single agreement, especially for future songs that haven’t been created, is problematic and unusual for several reasons. In copyright law, especially in the context of music, it’s crucial to be very specific when transferring rights. Agreements usually need to specify exactly which rights are being transferred, for which works, and for what duration. Copyright law is generally based on the principle that you should always specify the works involved when transferring rights. This specificity ensures clarity for both the creator and the party receiving the rights, helping to avoid disputes or misunderstandings about which works are covered. Such board agreements are legally complex and probably would not hold up in court if challenged.
does that mean suno if not really capable to enforce their "agreement"? I don't know how they can even monitor the trillions of songs that are going be produced on their platform. I think they have arround 7 million active users, and probably lots of them are going to violate "the terms" anyway, selling the songs trough distributors
TBH I would say that not only it's non-enforceable due to being too broad, it's also non-enforceable because you (i.e. Suno) can't claim something that nobody owns (i.e. the exclusive right to use content generated by a machine), and it's also probably non-enforceable due to all the infringements the AI-generating code creates itself, even if by chance. The Suno lawsuit is something to definitely monitor, as well as the Trump effect here. IMVHO in the end it'll be like with image AIs - the language of the ToS will soften after few legal actions are taken, and there will be just "do whatever you want with it, nobody own the generated content, and you still own the copyright to your original work" like it went with AI (see e.g. how Bing's or DALL-E's image gen ToS changed etc.)... why? Because it's actually beneficial for the corporations. It's also quite good for the free-tier musicians. It'll be really painful for mid-level professional producers though (IMVHO), same as it was with image gen engines.
What happens if the song was generated by AI, say an instrumental; however, you took that song, or parts of several songs which are all AI generated BUT sliced them together to make a new song: in other words, an Arrangement? Curious how that works and not sure if there's an answer? All of the music AI generated (no protected) but the arrangement, how the song progresses, was assembled by a human? Curious about your thoughts.
I think that falls into the category of "made partly with a.i." that she mentioned. Kinda same as using samples of human made songs; it's a new piece, but they are credited and get some share of the royalties. With Suno though, you're not allowed to monetize it at all if it was made with a free subscription, and with paid one you get all royalties.
So, Suno has the right to license your content to be used in a movie soundtrack or tv? Sounds like Suno gets the right to use uploaded content however it wants. Is that your read?
I think it means that anything you use to generate AI content with the service can end up as part of the training data for the AI generation for everyone else forever.
No. Not if you're on a paid plan!
i used
lalals(not lalala) but someone said i could only use vocals and that i couldn't use their instrumental(sounds weird to me since never saw on website where it stated this)
but now i use a website called ai music
although ai music is a suspicious website
maybe i'll go to suno at some point
Gems 💎, more podcasts like this 💯
All contracts mean nothing. And any real Good Lawyer knows it. I had a contract for my IP's with a publisher, they violated the contract, sold a product from that IP for over the 7 years contract period. and paid nothing to its creator and owner, for sale that did transpire. That IP was for both the Copyright and Trademark through the Canadian Intellectual Properties Office. That said, the company that did this, will now face the fact of not paying for those works that were sold. because I'll be notifying the IRS for their non complacence with Tax Regulations, and causing the owner to not be able to comply with his Tax compliance. As for time limits that many lawyer push, That's up to the Judge in any case. Every case is weighed by whatever reason surround that case.
I created a music using soniva music app trial can I upload on UA-cam channel
I only have one question regarding Suno and what you just explained here... Let's say someone is using Suno in order to create previews/prototypes of songs that they eventually want to produce in a studio (i.e. a legit song made by real people, recorded on site), would Suno be able to claim copyrights on that because of the similarities with the prototype created first through their service? It's not the first time I see people being inspired to record actual songs based on what they created with Suno (myself included), but would that even be possible? I somehow highly doubt that mentioning the song was originally created/prototyped using Suno would be enough for them, especially if it's a hit making a decent amount of money...
Yes if the final material sounds enough like what SUNO generated they could claim ownership unless you paid them for the service while you made it. 170 millon songs made by AI by 07/2024. The days of "hits" are over, everyone will have their own songs in their pocket on demand by July 2025.
Thank you
You're welcome!
I write my own songs, i also pre write the style. The genre to where it's just a cut and paste .and all songs are copyright before I even opened the app.
Thank you ❤. For this great information 👍 👏 🙏.
What do you think about Mureka Ai Music ?
Just for fun I created some Christmas songs with the help of chat gpt, Suno and Audimee as wel las my personal input (lyric changes, lyric, basics, additions, adding Instruments, Effects, mixing, mastering etc.). Via Ditto I posted these Songs on Spotify, Deezer, amazon music and Tidal , primarily to make them available for friends and family. I cleIarly stated that A.I. programs were used. Is there anything illegal or risky about that apart the Suno could "use" my Output in their own interest.The will not get very rich with that anyhow 😁 Thanks, Alexis (Austia/Europe)
Doesn’t bother me what SUNO does with my input. I am interested only in how I can use the ‘output’. I’m a paid member and each song I do in SUNO might be different from others. I might upload myself whistling a melody or upload an audio track then use SUNO’s lyrics based on my lyric idea prompt. I might input my own lyrics and use SUNO’s music. I might only input a few basic prompts such as a song idea and the genre I want then let SUNO have a go at creating a total song. It varies. One thing’s for sure. It can take ages to get a good song result from SUNO and many times I have given up on one idea totally. It’s not an instant hit making program. Some of their sounds are poxy. They stuff up the lyric phrasing and timing nine times out of ten too. You need to persevere. And I use it commercially. Why wouldn’t I? It entails a lot of time and effort by me.
Thank you for breaking it down😁❤️🫡🫡
Pliiz, dont touch the zoom
Please yes, make a video on how to register for copyright AI-assisted song, I can even be a guinea pig an assist in some sort of quid pro quo arranngement beneficial to us both! LMK! =)
4:35 only for free accounts.
I love Suno. It is INSANELY enthralling…
Anything created with AI should be public domain as AI is trained on public knowledge.
So because the NASA engineers went to public school and learned pulicly available math and engineering lessons, everything NASA creates should be public domain? Everything made with AI can't be copyrighted because it was made by a machine, that is the law of the land.
World wide rights? Really, that's great. It means I still retsin full rights on the lunar colony, Mars, and the whole rest of the multiverse!
I gave credit in my press section and banner/photo and in the album title that the songs were indeed Ai Enhanced.
I am happy I found you I have subscribed currently I don’t have a serious music business but I will stay connected in case things change ❤
SUNO should be considered a tool for producers/writers to get ideas or for personal enjoyment, not for monetizing full songs created on the plaform. Besides, the quality sucks for professional use.
Have you ever covered the ai App, Donna? I would be very curious what the legal rights are to that platform. I love the work you are doing on your channel btw.
Didn't Donna disappear ?
@@StratsRUs Maybe as a website but it is app on iPhone and I assume they have it for Android. I have a subscription that I am going to cancel soon until I need it again.
I used it to write a revenge rap for a guy who is a stalker and beats women, called Gary Scary. I wrote the lyrics. The subscription is like $9.98 a month or cheaper if you purchase for the year.
There are different extras, too. Like separating the vocals and instrumentals for an extra charge and it's like $16.00 to download a certificate of ownership if you want to use it commercially.
I would be curious if one even needs it. I would love to see it covered here to look at their agreement and small print because my friend uses it a lot more than I did. I only wrote 2 songs, Donna created the arrangement. I probably would write some podcast intros and other project related material if I knew downloading the certificate and filing for copyright would protect me. It does a pretty good job, but I have no idea where it got its training.
It says with the subscription you can use any of your work commercially but I think the extra cost for the cert dl file gives us an extra layer of cred to offer up to any argument on copyright. How legal that holds up, that's not my area of expertise.
Hope to see this channel cover it some day.