Li-Young Lee, a conversation of poetry and consciousness

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  • Опубліковано 29 лис 2024

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  • @rachelreyes4128
    @rachelreyes4128 2 місяці тому +2

    He speaks like he writes ,peaceful and calming.

  • @FredMaus
    @FredMaus 11 років тому +39

    His interview style has the same precision as his poetry - every word found with care as the right one. He is a magnificent poet and this quietly intense conversation moved and inspired me. Thank you for posting it.

    • @hocopolitso
      @hocopolitso  11 років тому +5

      Thanks for your comment -- we were absolutely charmed by Lee, and are publishing his work in an upcoming anthology to commemorate our 40th anniversary. If you're in the D.C./Baltimore area, check our web site, we have readings that are just as magnificent, intense and moving as this interview. All the best,
      HoCoPoLitSo

  • @shayestanazir9187
    @shayestanazir9187 6 років тому +9

    Lee, more I read you, I become sure about possibility of getting dark things and mysteries and fascination of life around and every single thing we could sometimes just feel but won't even try to catch and capture through words, written.
    Every poem I read makes me feel something yet unexplored, something dark and deep, something we have to go to or are searching for.
    Of all your poetry, this line fascinated me most: "And the world keeps beginning. "

  • @ambianist1262
    @ambianist1262 5 років тому +8

    Love what these two great poets say about the nature of poetry and how it forms.
    Great conversation!

  • @BUKCOLLECTOR
    @BUKCOLLECTOR 2 роки тому +4

    I hope you don’t mind me sharing the following poem, one of my all time favorite meta poetic poems by a poet named “Howard Dull” titled “Suibhne Gheilt” that I recently chanced upon. When I read it, I became speechless. And most of my poetry friends consider this as one of their all time favorites.
    It was published in a 1970s anthology titled “ Open Poetry” and proves that once Poetry hits you in your heart, you could be the worst nefarious scoundrel with kings at your bidding and Empires at your command but you will be transformed and never again return to your former Self.
    ~~
    Suibhne Gheilt
    1
    He has haunted me now for over a year
    that madman Suibhne Gheilt
    who in the middle of a battle
    looked up and saw something
    that made him leap up and fly
    over swords and trees
    - a poet gifted above all others -
    11
    How could a proud loud mouth
    who yelled KILL KILL KILL
    as he plowed done the enemy
    - heads rolling off of his sword -
    be so lifted up
    ( or fly up
    as those below saw it
    - wings beating)
    be so suddenly gifted
    with poetry
    and nest so high
    in Ireland’s tall trees?
    Is there a point
    where all paths cross?
    And why am I so drawn to him
    that all my questions
    seem shot in his direction?
    “And they ran into the woods
    and threw their lances
    and shot their arrows
    up through the branches”
    What parallels could I ever hope to find -
    my refusal to fight
    ( weaseling out on psychiatric grounds)?
    my leaving my country behind?
    my poetry?
    “and my wife wept
    on the path below. . .
    Oh memory is sweet
    but sweeter is the sorrel
    in the pool in the path below”
    I fly down every night
    to eat
    111
    Sweeney like the rest of us would have been better off if he had never anything to do with women.
    But the point of it lies hidden
    in a pool of milk
    in a pile of shit
    for you to see
    when a milkmaid smiles
    Sweeney like the rest of us flies down
    and when she pours the milk
    into the hole her heel made in the cowdung
    Sweeney like the rest of us kneels down and drinks
    and dies on the horn the cowherd hid in it.
    So before you have anything to do with women
    remember Sweeney the bird of Ireland
    lying on his back
    in the middle of that path
    in the moonlight.
    1V
    And on my way home
    this morning
    ( my wife
    waiting)
    my shadow
    racing up the path ahead of me
    I saw something
    ( a black stone?)
    thrown
    at the back of its head
    ducked
    and spun around
    so fast
    I almost fell down
    - it was a bird
    flying up into a tree
    V
    No good could come out of this war
    out of what burns in the heart of our highly disciplined
    John Q. Killer as a whole village bursts into one flame -
    the villagers streaming like tears
    towards the forest
    cover his helicopter’s blades
    blow the leaves off and
    and the flame towards. . .
    as we sit in front of our bubbles watching our president
    ( whose bubbletalk no one can escape and he is a little bit
    mad -calling the reporters in for an interview while he’s
    sitting on the bubble having
    a bubble movement) and first
    lady climb into their big bubble bed an Lucy, born of
    their own bubbles, crawls in between -
    “ Mah daddy has so many
    troubles
    turning the world into a bubble
    and sick of crossfire -
    the cries of the women and
    children flying over his head -
    he stumbled down to the
    riverbank and found,
    the wreckage twisted around the tree
    behind, his skull. . .
    Noises, there are noises,
    noises that can of themselves drive
    a man mad -NOISES!
    But last night the Stockhausen penetrated from the four
    sides of the auditorium, stripping each layer of feeling
    and thought until all that was left was something the size
    of a nut - so tiny, so hard, so impenetrable it was alone
    in the middle of an infinite space. . .
    -Howard Dull
    ~~
    ps: Howard Dull was such an obscure poet that he never published a book and ( to my knowledge) never published another poem. But OMG, this was so brilliant that in my opinion it should be read and studied at the college level.
    All love in isolation from Miami Beach, Florida,
    Al

  • @YoYo-gt5iq
    @YoYo-gt5iq 5 місяців тому +1

    Just found his poetry. Its very good

  • @lilliannieswender266
    @lilliannieswender266 6 років тому +7

    I felt very serene listening to this beautiful poet speak, I am new to his poetry and feel as if I have discovered gold. Thank you so much for posting this.

  • @ohmyfoes
    @ohmyfoes 3 місяці тому

    What a beautiful conversation ❤

  • @johntatum1951
    @johntatum1951 4 роки тому +2

    Michael Collier and Li-YOung Lee..thanks for this. I enjoyed the intimate poem Li-Young Lee read at first, The Epistle.

  • @nosanokikhi7304
    @nosanokikhi7304 3 роки тому +1

    What a gem! A wonderful experience listening to these two poets!
    "...one of the great source of your work is memory and it's not so much memory that is known but memory that needs to be discovered and explored.
    But then also there's another aspect to the work and that is which is not necessarily dependent on memory but lives more in the present." - Collier on Lee 💙
    Thank you for sharing this video.

    • @nosanokikhi7304
      @nosanokikhi7304 3 роки тому +1

      Collier...corrected spelling. Sorry about that.

    • @hocopolitso
      @hocopolitso  3 роки тому

      Dear Nosano Kikhi, thank you for that lovely comment, and the quote! And as an editor, I so appreciate that you took the time to come back and correct Michael Collier's name. Thank you for watching and try some of our other poetry videos -- we have amazing writers with wonderful readings.

  • @BUKCOLLECTOR
    @BUKCOLLECTOR 2 роки тому

    En joyed very much your poems and unique cadence and word choices that had an emotional impact and kept me engaged throughout.
    I, too, am a poet ( I write mostly Japanese format poems i.e. haiku , senryu, tanka/kyoka, haibun etc. I hope you don’t mind me sharing a haiku dedicated to Matshuo Bashō’s frog with added insightful commentary by the late AHA founder and poet Jane Reichhold who considered my haiku among her 10 favorite haiku of all time! What an honor.
    Here’s the Bashō poem with Jane Reichhold’s insightful commentary:
    Bashō’s frog
    four hundred years
    of ripples
    At first the idea of picking only 10 of my favorite haiku seemed a rather
    daunting task. How could I review all the haiku I have read in my life and decide that there were only 10 that were outstanding? Then realized I was already getting a steady stream of excellent haiku day by day through the AHA forum.
    The puns and write-offs based on Basho's most famous haiku are so
    numerous I would have said that nothing new could be said with this
    method, but here Al Fogel proved me wrong. Perhaps part of my delight in this haiku lies in the fact that I agree with him. Here he is saying one thing about realism-ripples are on a pond after a frog jumps in, but because it refers back to Basho and his famous haiku, he is also saying something about the haiku and authors who have followed him. We, and our work, are just ripples while Basho holds the honor of inventing the idea of the sound of a frog leaping is the sound of water
    As haiku spreads around the world, making ripples in more and larger ponds, its ripples are wider-including us all. But his last word reminds us
    that we are ripples and our lives ephemeral. It will be the frogs that will remain.
    ~
    All love from Miami Beach, Florida,
    Al

  • @hocopolitso
    @hocopolitso  11 років тому +4

    Hi,
    I'm glad you enjoyed his work -- I do love to hear poets read their own, and give the background for the writing. His piece about listening to his wife read to his son was touching. If you enjoyed this program, try watching our piece on Jane Hirshfield or David Mura, both poets interested in identity and consciousness.

  • @xl7131
    @xl7131 7 років тому +1

    Great conversation, I love how right after they conclude the interview Li-young jumps back into conversation with Michael, not for the sake of the show but because they're so into their conversation. Very inspiring conversation.

    • @hocopolitso
      @hocopolitso  6 років тому

      We're so glad you appreciated this program. Mr. Lee speaks so eloquently about his craft, about prayer, about purification and unconscious states. And Michael Collier, being a poet, is the perfect host. We like to think of this series as a quiet conversation between two writers. Thank you for your interest.

  • @9monava
    @9monava 7 років тому +1

    Always great to hear Li-Young Lee speak at length -- thank you for posting this!

    • @hocopolitso
      @hocopolitso  6 років тому

      We're so glad you appreciated this program -- he speaks so eloquently about his craft, about prayer, about purification and unconscious states. Perhaps you would be interested in show about the power of poetry, perhaps our interview with Martin Espada, or with Edward Hirsch. Thank you for your interest.

  • @yeuxvseyes199
    @yeuxvseyes199 7 років тому +4

    A living legend.

    • @hocopolitso
      @hocopolitso  7 років тому +1

      I'm glad you appreciated Mr. Li and hope you watch a few more of our videos of the world's finest writers.

  • @paulaandreabernal9984
    @paulaandreabernal9984 3 роки тому +1

    Beautiful

  • @manggichan
    @manggichan 11 років тому

    thanks for posting.
    It's really nice to listen to li young lee reading his own poetry.
    The conversation between the two poets is inspiring as well!

  • @PaulSutherlandnow
    @PaulSutherlandnow 10 років тому

    Outstanding!

  • @meij2886
    @meij2886 6 років тому

    Wonderful!

  • @noahfranks984
    @noahfranks984 3 роки тому +1

    Im scared and I don't believe in much but I believe in what this guy is pedaling

  • @batzuldzuzu11
    @batzuldzuzu11 8 років тому

    inspired. Thank you

    • @hocopolitso
      @hocopolitso  8 років тому +1

      +Batzul D Zuzu Thank you for watching. We found Lee to be as inspiring as you did. If you'd like more poetry, consider watching our programs with Donald Hall, Jane Hirshfield or Stanley Kunitz.

  • @BUKCOLLECTOR
    @BUKCOLLECTOR 2 роки тому

    Brief Bio:
    I’m Al Fogel born in 1945 and at an early age began writing poems. In 1962 I was introduced to a neighbor who just returned from Avatar Meher Baba’s “ East west” gathering and handed me a book titled “The Everything and the Nothing” that included brief but powerful passages by Meher Baba that touched me deeply and i became a “ Baba Lover” In 2010 while on Jane Reichhold’s AHA website workshopping poems I befriended a Chinese man who helped me perfect my Senryu and Haibun. I am now considered one of the nations leading authorities on Tanka , Senryu, and Haibun.
    Here are some examples of each of my specialties. They are all from the contemporary American format.
    Senryu ( senryu is the humorous human side of haiku. Usually 3 lines but can be 2 or 1 line so long as it is 17 syllables or less). It is considered the humorous human side of haiku.
    For example, the following two of mine are horrific and heartbreaking dealing with the Holocaust):
    cattle cars -
    between the slats
    human eyes
    ~
    Stutthof -
    the stench of burnt smoke
    from the chimneys
    (And here are some more examples):
    thrift store purchase
    inside the leather jacket
    a tarnished half-heart
    ~
    dentist chair
    the hygienist removes
    my Bluetooth
    ~
    Internet argument
    all his words in CAPS
    hers in EMOTICONS
    ~
    personal trainer
    I grunt sweat strain
    and HE gets paid
    ~
    after the divorce
    he spends more time
    at the dollar store
    ~
    damsel in distress
    Clarke Kent still searching
    for a phone booth
    ~
    cauliflower ears
    once a contender
    now boxing vegetables
    ~
    under
    the influence -
    moonshine
    ~
    Audubon sale
    all variety of seeds. . .
    early birds welcome
    ~
    Buddhist fortune cookie
    the unfolded paper reads
    “ better luck next birth!”
    ~
    sudden downpour. . .
    adults run
    for shelter
    ~
    sidewalk cafe
    birds and people
    tweeting
    ~
    Crowded crosswalk
    the “seeing eye” dog
    leads the way
    ~
    deserted train depot
    a long line of tracks
    leading nowhere
    ~~
    return to my youth
    lit by the tracks
    of Lionel trains.
    ~
    Tanka:
    (Tanka is comprised of 5 lines of 31 syllables or less. Usually there are far less syllables)
    Here are 3 examples:
    returning home
    from a Jackson pollock
    exhibition
    I smear my face with paint
    and morph into art
    ~
    crowded bus
    a young lady offers me
    her seat
    it seems like only yesterday
    I was offering mine
    ~
    deserted train depot
    a conductor shouting
    “ All Aboard!”
    now a long line of tracks
    leading nowhere
    ~
    Haibun: ( the haibun consists of a prose section with one or more haiku that must in some way relate to the prose. All Haibun have titles
    Here are some examples:
    The Mathematics of Retribution
    “Karma is unfathomable,”
    I inform her
    It’s late and our conversation turns heavy
    “ Seems simple to me, “my girlfriend responds.
    “If I murder you, then it’s reasonable that I will be murdered in this or another life to balance the ledger.”
    “ Not necessarily so” I’m quick to rejoin.
    “What if you murdered me in this life
    because I murdered you in a prior life
    karmic debts and dues are now equalized.”
    “But what if I get caught and I go to jail for life. Where’s the equal payback in that?”
    “As I said, karma is unfathomable.”
    We continue discussing reincarnation and then add the possibilities of “group karma” to the mix
    Finally, at about midnight, we fall asleep
    Stutthof -
    the stench of burnt hair
    from the chimneys
    ~~
    Mama
    There were days when I pretended to be too sick to go to school - - just for mamas loving embrace -her arms the heat of home
    Even with the onset of dementia, her cheerfulness was so contagious it was a joy being around her despite the illness.
    She made everyone laugh with her spontaneous unpredictable behavior.
    nursing home
    bumper wheelchair
    her favorite pastime
    Once a week I would whisk her away from the assisted-living facility and we would spend several hours together -grabbing a meal or frequenting some of her favorite second-hand stores where she loved to shop and donate clothes.
    When we drove to her favorite thrift in November, her dementia worsened.
    thrift store
    the dress mama donated
    she wants to buy
    On a cold December morn mama passed.
    The funeral was simple. There was a light drizzle as the family gathered at the gravesite. One by one, with eyes full of rain, we said our last goodbyes.
    autumn twilight -
    oh mama tuck me under
    hug me one more time
    ~
    ‘Round Midnight
    It was a huge ballroom on the top floor of a building on Broadway --an important midtown crossroads in the heart of the Great White Way.
    My uncle still talks with reverence about how -in his heyday -he would travel by rail to the corner of Lenox and walk inside to the beat of jungle music. Who knew what to expect? One night you might be listening with rapt attention to Theloneous Monk and Dizzy Gillespie the godfathers of bebop in their signature beret caps, or the Nicholas Brothers flashing their wild acrobatic spins and splits, or enchanted by the sweet taste of Brown Sugar -with Bojangles out front. And when the Bird was in flight, even the moon was not high enough.
    But in 1940 the ballroom closed its doors to make way for a commercial housing development and another kind of night.
    Harlem
    The A-train replaced
    by the Bullet
    ~
    Atlantic City New Jersey
    I had just graduated from high school
    I remember stopping for saltwater taffy -as evening journeyed slowly into night. Nearing curfew, we sat on a protruded sandy enclave--holding hands, looking out at the ocean, not saying much. In the distance the
    lights from an ocean liner flickered as the night kept coming on in...
    first “french kiss”
    under the boardwalk
    “over the moon!”
    ~~
    All love,
    Al

  • @vincenttomeo4654
    @vincenttomeo4654 7 років тому +1

    . Poetry is feeling. I experienced your story. I wandered through your consciousness. We are host
    breathing life into words-----The writing life-- is Life. Vincent J.Tomeo.

  • @dusea10
    @dusea10 7 років тому

    I just wanted to know how to pronounce his name for my speech LOL

    • @hocopolitso
      @hocopolitso  7 років тому +1

      His name is pronounced "Lee Young Lee." Hope that helps.
      Good luck with your speech.