One of the funny things about Smothering Tithe is that creating Treasures is NOT a “may” ability, so whenever I play it & someone doesn’t pay the 2, I say “I MUST accrue wealth”
I like how after a certain point in the game Tyler doesn’t even bother making the treasures with Smothering Tithe, he just draws the cards from Calgar lol.
Omg yes....my friend runs a red/blue spell slinger deck and the amount of time he takes trying to figure out which cards to cast is so annoying.....I don't mind the deck....just wish he would play it a little faster
@@palm0607 play speed magic. Have a 1 minute or so timer for each players turn. My friends and I do it at lunch so we can get through a commander game. They either have to build a faster deck or play faster. It’s pretty fun.
The updates to the patreon are really nice! Yeah that game was absurd, it's crazy that those three decks were designed as support decks to help Tyler's win faster Turn 1 Tithe with 25 draw engines will generally do that for you Great game, excited to see the other ones from this set!
super happy to see marneus, kinda wish it wasn't such a runaway game though. i've been testing some brews of him and am always looking for improvements. he's super cool.
Might just be a me thing, but enjoy listening to your videos until the very end because I love the music bed you all use for the intro and outro. Keep up the great content!
Fantastic episode as always guys! Super sick to see Marneus go off, and looking forward to seeing more from Dhalsim in the next one. And the patron benefit expansions also seem great, excited that you’ll be able to bring more content to more people. Keep it up!
I think Marneus in particular can be quite good. He goes infinite easily, his casting cost is kinda high though. Also, love the zombie token. I'm brewing a Negan deck and they'd fit in very nicely. Good game guys!
I've been brewing around Marneus so glad to see it do so well! Really sweet deck with lots of great synergies. Smothering Tithe and Grim Hireling are the deck MVPs imo.
I recently played a game where one person had a marneus, and another had a smothering tithe and a rhystic study. A third player played fractured identity on the smothering tithe.... Every time one of us played a spell, Rhystic study gets a draw, everyone makes a treasure, marneus draws, everyone gets a treasure again it was insane
Excellent pilot from Tyler. I bet he had plenty of interaction but chose not to use them since there was an excess of resources. It makes me quite afraid to ask what he hides in his basement.
i love the fact that u admit u build that Marneus deck wrongly, vivildy, with other build, he would be able to win much faster. Thanks for showing atleast one of those new commanders, hehe
It feels like Marneus could easily build around abusing Smothering Tithe as much as possible given how insane it is in the deck. Since he also wins with infinite mana by drawing the deck, it could well look similar to Opus Thief style decks with a hard focus on ST and just win in similar ways like Angel’s Grace into Windfall and play it again from grave via Yawgmoth’s Will to deck everyone.
I'm so stoked to upgrade my marneus into an higher power deck but I promised my group we would get a few precon games in first. Marneus does everything I like in edh, draw cards and make tokens.
The Esper marine guy is definitely the best, no matter what happens in this game - not much seperates him from Zur or Raffine. All the others are fringe or struggle to even be fringe.
Well… looks like I’m getting Smothering Tithe for my Marneus deck! It’ll go great with Teferi, Temporal Pilgrim, Teferi’s Puzzel Box, and Teferi’s Ageless Insight 🤣
I've seen some EDH players saying that Marneus is mid due to the one card per instance of token generation, but that's still insane. Marneus is 100% a very pushed commander, dare I say busted.
It would shut off using the treasures, but Tyler still gets to draw off of the treasures being created. Searching for a creature to blow up the tithe takes care of both issues by shutting off the card draw enabler.
Nice game, allthough pretty one-sided thanks to that insanely early Smothering Tithe. About the decklists, what is the reason Abbadon doesn't have Doomsday?
Where is Rick steadfast leader human stax? In all seriousness I love your guys channel been a subscriber for a while. Looking forward to more amazing content
Ok wait, when Tyler drew his deck with calgar, isn’t he only able to draw the entire deck without losing if there’s an even number of cards in his library? Doesn’t that mean he could’ve lost?
You don't draw for each token, just whenever one or more are created. So if you cast a spell that makes one token, you draw a card. If you cast a spell that makes 50 tokens, you still only draw one card.
Yo! I love a good Smothering Tithe, turn 1 play! Keep up the good work. And, say, while I have ya, have you ever considered doing a best enchantress deck in cEDH video?
How are Ad Nas/ThOralce/Hordes/etc. cEDH decks any different. Most of the decks with specific wincons couldn’t care less about which commanders are being used. Any commander will do. Three of today’s decks would be the same deck with any 5c or color matched commander.
Quite true. Generally you'll find a few pieces moving to match the commander specific shenanigans but yeah, most cEdh is imho the same staples with very little variation. It makes sense as you try to play the best cards but it also means everything looks samey.
One of the funny things about Smothering Tithe is that creating Treasures is NOT a “may” ability, so whenever I play it & someone doesn’t pay the 2, I say “I MUST accrue wealth”
What a start for Tyler, and as lore accurate for Marneus being all in control and just steam rolling over everyone
I like how after a certain point in the game Tyler doesn’t even bother making the treasures with Smothering Tithe, he just draws the cards from Calgar lol.
Turn 1 Smothering Tithe just ran away with the game. Marneus was insane.
I built a casual list with him with zombies as the engine and it gets insane value, noosegraf mob and bitterblossom is all ill say
Even with a crazy disciplined table paying for most of the triggers, it's still an insane stax piece
Going first op
Maybe hide spoilers in the comments
Always love watching a game of solitaire 🤣 definitely has me considering a new deck that’s for sure cause that was nuts
TOO MUCH POWER
Omg yes....my friend runs a red/blue spell slinger deck and the amount of time he takes trying to figure out which cards to cast is so annoying.....I don't mind the deck....just wish he would play it a little faster
@@palm0607 play speed magic. Have a 1 minute or so timer for each players turn. My friends and I do it at lunch so we can get through a commander game. They either have to build a faster deck or play faster. It’s pretty fun.
Ah yes the Stranger-Street-Fight-40k crossover we always wanted
I think the best part was the eye clarity check at the end lol! Reminds me of high school🤣
The updates to the patreon are really nice!
Yeah that game was absurd, it's crazy that those three decks were designed as support decks to help Tyler's win faster
Turn 1 Tithe with 25 draw engines will generally do that for you
Great game, excited to see the other ones from this set!
super happy to see marneus, kinda wish it wasn't such a runaway game though. i've been testing some brews of him and am always looking for improvements. he's super cool.
Might just be a me thing, but enjoy listening to your videos until the very end because I love the music bed you all use for the intro and outro. Keep up the great content!
Fantastic episode as always guys! Super sick to see Marneus go off, and looking forward to seeing more from Dhalsim in the next one. And the patron benefit expansions also seem great, excited that you’ll be able to bring more content to more people. Keep it up!
I think Marneus in particular can be quite good. He goes infinite easily, his casting cost is kinda high though. Also, love the zombie token. I'm brewing a Negan deck and they'd fit in very nicely. Good game guys!
Tyler better find a dark god to pray to because I think he used all his luck ever getting that turn 1 smothering tithe holy crap.
I've been brewing around Marneus so glad to see it do so well! Really sweet deck with lots of great synergies. Smothering Tithe and Grim Hireling are the deck MVPs imo.
I did zombies and it’s crazy with necroduality
I recently played a game where one person had a marneus, and another had a smothering tithe and a rhystic study. A third player played fractured identity on the smothering tithe.... Every time one of us played a spell, Rhystic study gets a draw, everyone makes a treasure, marneus draws, everyone gets a treasure again
it was insane
15:49 lmfao the only take away
Cool to see the new decks. I believe 3 color should definitely run more than 1 basic
My opponents don’t have path to exile a lot more often than they do, but I won’t fault ya for playing with extra basics
@@PlaytoWinMTG that's fair I've been enjoying more basics since the times I miss mana hurts more often then occasional color fixing issues
Excellent pilot from Tyler. I bet he had plenty of interaction but chose not to use them since there was an excess of resources. It makes me quite afraid to ask what he hides in his basement.
i love the fact that u admit u build that Marneus deck wrongly, vivildy, with other build, he would be able to win much faster. Thanks for showing atleast one of those new commanders, hehe
Good video this week. Good deal plugging the new tiers for patreon and your tokens.
It feels like Marneus could easily build around abusing Smothering Tithe as much as possible given how insane it is in the deck. Since he also wins with infinite mana by drawing the deck, it could well look similar to Opus Thief style decks with a hard focus on ST and just win in similar ways like Angel’s Grace into Windfall and play it again from grave via Yawgmoth’s Will to deck everyone.
Esper midrange with an outlet? Sign me tf up boyz.
Jesus, I knew Marneus was strong but that was nuts.
Id be stoked to see more of Allan's Dhalsim deck though, its a cool build.
SPACE MARINES! AAATTACK!
I'm glad Calgar is relevant somewhere since his Primarch came back and made him so, so redundant
Oh hey, you ship to Australia now! Time to actually get around to picking up a couple of playmats
Player one, turn one Smothering Tithe is apparently pretty deec.
there is only 1 type of deck that isn't an adnasue deck and that is a non black deck
Built
Marneus as soon as it was leaked. It def does not need ad naus. Make it a pure mid range value deck and it’s really strong
Great video guys!
I'm so stoked to upgrade my marneus into an higher power deck but I promised my group we would get a few precon games in first. Marneus does everything I like in edh, draw cards and make tokens.
Turn one smothering tithe good luck everyone
The avacyn's pilgrim cast before the finale of devastation cost the table the whole game lol
How’s that
@@PlaytoWinMTG Dylan could've activated Cathar Commando's ability with the last mana in response to Damn, and destroyed smothering tithe
Yup its pretty hard yo lose a game with turn 1 smoothering.
The Esper marine guy is definitely the best, no matter what happens in this game - not much seperates him from Zur or Raffine. All the others are fringe or struggle to even be fringe.
Watching Dylan play cradle and not tap it for 7 turns was rough.
GG all around boys
It’s 100% that dude from 40k. Idc if he loses he’s still the best
Dang that's hella spicy Zombie tokens. Gives me tasigur vibes
I need to see more Marneus!!!
Lol nice People are Strange by The Doors in the background.
Well… looks like I’m getting Smothering Tithe for my Marneus deck! It’ll go great with Teferi, Temporal Pilgrim, Teferi’s Puzzel Box, and Teferi’s Ageless Insight 🤣
Yeah that guy's good lol
Also Dylan, can we see your dog again soon?
So glad my preorder is for imperium of man, some good things in there
Tyler going for the overkill on Nate lol, he already had 18 Commander damage
Loove your content, thank you a lot!
That was Wild, i still think that in edh the best 40k Commander is imotek
Turn 1 Tithe with Marneus is busted! Good game.
Spooky season be upon us oh yeah from a Universe BEYOND
Marneus was beautiful
Marneus is the first time i would like to play Esper. He's too insane.
Never heard of tivit? Tivit and Marneus are the best esper decks
@@koreyg8552 i generally despise esper and azorious. Specially tivit. Marneus is more appealing to me
Wooo! Mornin from California yall :)
I've been looking forward to a Universes Beyond episode because I wanted to see Daryl Snoop... well... ok... still a great episode tho.
I've seen some EDH players saying that Marneus is mid due to the one card per instance of token generation, but that's still insane. Marneus is 100% a very pushed commander, dare I say busted.
Built marneus zombies and it’s crazy value and it just gives you so much advantage
Who is currently doing the art for the new tokens?😅
ASMR to win looks relaxing.
Fucking crazy to see the first player cast a turn 1 Smothering Tithe😨
Even in cEDH, Smothering Tithe still real good.
That was gross. I love it. Haha.
christ this was a game showing why smothering tithe is just busted in edh my god
Shoutout to PlantainJackson for having a dope name!
Buzz Lightyear would be proud
why cathar commando instead of outland liberator?
This will only fuel the Ultramarine superiority complex.
*sigh*
At least it isn't Guilliman
Love Esper builds!
6:50 any thought for ouphe here? Ik it shuts off your rock but still it seems strong against the treasures
It would shut off using the treasures, but Tyler still gets to draw off of the treasures being created. Searching for a creature to blow up the tithe takes care of both issues by shutting off the card draw enabler.
Man is cEDH really that fun....
Nice game, allthough pretty one-sided thanks to that insanely early Smothering Tithe. About the decklists, what is the reason Abbadon doesn't have Doomsday?
Why would it
Oh wow how good was your hand that you didnt cadt windfall precombat and draw like 20+ cards?
He has drawn enough cards that a windfall would give 3 players 20+ cards. No need to make the game harder for himself there
I AM THE EMPEROR'S WILL, MADE MANIFEST
This weekend will be A M A Z I N G
Shame that none of you played Trazyn. That card is nutty.
Where is Rick steadfast leader human stax? In all seriousness I love your guys channel been a subscriber for a while. Looking forward to more amazing content
Do I get decklists
Marneus isn't a may it is a must ability meaning Tyler could have decked himself
Yes, they tried to do that and that's probably why Tyler started his turn with a silence.
@@thedoctor1471 that's actually a pretty funny joke
Loved the video, but I'm curious why there was no Trazyn the infinite deck, as it seems to me to be the 2nd best commander from wh40k
The fact he's asking if they want to pay 2 on turn 1...
Food tokens in November for thanksgiving???
Ok wait, when Tyler drew his deck with calgar, isn’t he only able to draw the entire deck without losing if there’s an even number of cards in his library? Doesn’t that mean he could’ve lost?
No. Because Marneus ability is for one or more tokens.
You don't draw for each token, just whenever one or more are created. So if you cast a spell that makes one token, you draw a card. If you cast a spell that makes 50 tokens, you still only draw one card.
How is Calgar better than breya?
Does Dylan need to lose 1 life to the horizon canopy when he has out yavimaya, cradle of growth?
Couldn't he only draw cards in multiples of two? With marneus's ability?
So wouldn't he have lost if he had an odd number of cards in library?
Nope, he draws one card when 2 tokens enter at the same time
Guys i need a Swan Song token halp
Actual content starts at 3:10
tyler wildin sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh
Your hand movements aren't flamboyant enough.
That hand was oppressive af. Turn 1 tithe is too much value for any deck let alone one that draws you cards when the mana etbs.
a control deck can win 0.0 holy... t1 tithe helps though lol
Yo! I love a good Smothering Tithe, turn 1 play! Keep up the good work. And, say, while I have ya, have you ever considered doing a best enchantress deck in cEDH video?
That is one hell of a disgusting opening by Marneus.
How are Ad Nas/ThOralce/Hordes/etc. cEDH decks any different. Most of the decks with specific wincons couldn’t care less about which commanders are being used. Any commander will do. Three of today’s decks would be the same deck with any 5c or color matched commander.
Quite true. Generally you'll find a few pieces moving to match the commander specific shenanigans but yeah, most cEdh is imho the same staples with very little variation. It makes sense as you try to play the best cards but it also means everything looks samey.
Begintros
So, uhm, is Dylan single?
Kekw
Ew.
Why can't Americans pronounce Abaddon properly!? 😂