Loving this book. I’m child of a Canadian WW2 vet, born in the 50s. True baby boomer. He would never talk about Dickie Mountbatten but I always knew he didn’t respect him. He loved Churchill for his leadership during WW2.
I am going to battle listening to this. My Grandpa (British) was part of the D Day attack. He was part of the troops that went in with the American Rangers. Fortunately he survived.
In context there was this disaster, then in 1943 the Allies successfully invaded Sicily, and the Italy. Finally followed by D Day. The piece that would make Dieppe a disgrace would be failing to learn. I have no doubt that there were doubters to D Day ( and the other successful amphibious landings) silenced by the eventual victory which was not easy. My respects to your Grandfather who put his life on the line for our freedom. The bravery is awesome and the fighting after D Day was tough, it’s easy to think it was over by the 7th and it had only just begun.
@@lizl4158 the Cheere Denise channel is taking us through a book about the Mountbattens - Dickie & Edwina written by the same author who wrote Traitor King about David and Wallis.. Both books are shocking and fascinating- learning about what REALLY was going on. Very eye opening as back in those days people wrote letters and kept diaries so they’re well researched & resource rich. Coincidentally the latest chapter was about Dieppe & the D day landings. I highly recommend both.
British Naval divers retrieved an Enigma Machine from a sunken German submarine.The code was cracked by cryptologists at Bletchley Park which led to the defeat of Hitler's U-Boat fleet.
Hi from Canada! Dieppe was always taught to us as the darkest day of WWII for Canada. The objective of capturing the enigma machine may have comforted many Canadian families who thought their sons were slaughtered for nothing.
Dieppe is still remembered here in Canada 🇨🇦. Sadly many young men were lost or injured there. Mountbatten shouldn’t have been given as much power as he was - and as we’ve seen, it went to his head and caused catastrophe.
My high school boyfriend's father landed on one of the beaches..His father was a lot older than his mom and I remember him talking about his dad's military service which he was so proud to share with anybody that would listen..
The Germans added added a fourth rotor to Enigma machines in 1942 (only for U-Boats, fortunately for the allies) and it took a year for the British at Bletchley Park to crack those codes, only after grabbing cipher-keys from captured U-boats, and with the aid of US Navy Bombes. The team at Dieppe which tried to capture an enigma machine and related code-books failed to get near its objective.
With my twin sisters' passing 36, funeral & then our birthday - 7 days later this week (it's late here), I truly needed something to "move my thoughts, move my spirit." With a familiar voice, you have helped me to move a little. Thank you, God bless, and bless our community here. 🙏
You’d have a choice there is some good books on prince Philip he had an amazingly funny sense of humour but an awfully bad temper. He passed it down to his son and the prince of wales. ❤ Hayley 🇬🇧
Angela Kelly’s book was a bit steady, it was clear the Queen hired her for her discretion and the book was discreet. Good if you like sewing and fashion.
@@marlenewolffe4613 I wonder if you mean Angela Kelly? (Mrs. Crawford was the former nanny to Princesses Elizabeth and Margaret; she did also write a book.)
I did a bit of research and it was viewed as the toe hold (and i mean toe!) to start the freedom of France and then onwards. Given that that happened, they view it as a success within the war, but it was a shocking loss of life
20 years ago I went with my mother to visit her brothers grave in the Canadian Commonwealth War Grave Cemetery just outside Dieppe. Beautiful and well kept. The taxi drivers always give a good rate if you say you are Canadian according to my French friend who came with us, it’s about a 15 minute drive from the ferry port. My uncle was a British Commando killed on the Dieppe raid. Last seen running up the beach.
❤😢 My respects. The Commonwealth War Graves Commission are amazing even caring for graves out the back of my house in England in local parishes. May your uncle rest in peace, though this was a failed mission, the subsequent amphibious assaults were successful, having also lost family in the was on what seems like a pointless mission, you have my sympathy.
Cheere, you have such a talent for storytelling. I could listen to you all day. You know, 'Audible' are always looking for talented narrators. I bet you are a wonderful teacher.
I was amazed that Nevel Shute, the author was part of staff! That must be where some of the out lines of the stories he wrote came from! Dickie employed some unusual people
My uncle was one of the Commandos killed on the Dieppe raid. I visited the cemetery where he is buried with my mother his sister about 20 years ago. Beautiful Commonwealth War Grave Cemetery. 26 British buried there, the rest are Canadian.
I agree, watched the D Day commemoration at 50 due to being very sick at the time, we need to do more to give credit to all involved. I was pleased the Prince of Wales joined the Canadians this year as his presence draws media (in Britain) to highlight their role.
Erm I think the British saw him for what he was, he made himself out to be a hero and like today the lazy media repeated the self created myth. Even Prince Philip said he gave himself too much credit.
In retrospect, Dickie could have taught a master class in “Self Promotion at All Costs.” Montgomery could have been his co-instructor. . . .a bit of an ego problem there as well.
The Allies eventually captured an enigma machine from a sinking submarine in May 1941. My dad was a merchant seaman during the war. Canada declared war in Septermber 1939 and he went aboard then as a 17 year old and stayed for the duration. If the name Mountbatten was ever uttered in our house, dad always added a few choice words.
Perfect reading and story voice today for me. Kept my attention perfectly with inflection, nuanced and intelligent emphases....but didn't leave me edgy and jumpy. Of course a good text helps, but you are a talented reader and analyst.
What a Saturday morning treat after a long hard week! Thank you! And I literally 'laughed out loud' with Dickie's experiment. Epic. Just whip out a gun. Then the ricochet. Someone really should write a comedic tome about Dickie and his exploits. You gotta give it to him- he had some kind of confidence. lol
A bit much detail for me this chapter - long covid has left me with brain foggy days, and this is one of them. Still enjoying it tho, and appreciating your commentary.
A great chapter given that we are admiring all the veterans at the 80th D Day anniversary; I didn’t know a lot about the Dieppe raid, imagine all those men having to keep leaving the landing craft with no hope of achieving the objective. Coincidentally my mother was in the Royal Air Force as a wireless operator and she worked in Y section which intercepted the messages for decoding by Bletchley
Dickie reminds me of Fitzgerald's Tom and Daisy who break things and retreat into rheir money and leave the clean- up to others. Dieppe killed more Toronto men in one day than any other day in any conflict. The folks back home are devestated but Dickie goes right along tooting his own horn and lessons learned and all that. He wasn't entirely to blame. The disaster was too huge for one man. But nobody benefitted from Dieppe more than him.
My father was in the Royal Marine Commandos and he often mentioned Mountbatten because he led the Burma Campaign. I think he was famous as a war hero in the UK mostly because of that. He was a tremendous morale booster to the troops when they were known as the Forgotten Army way out in the jungles of Burma.
The difference is Churchill resigned and went and fought in the trenches. . Research has now found that Gallipoli wasn't all Churchill's fault . Do your own research ,don't take my word for it 😊
Cheerie Denise ... Soldering on! ❤👍😊 War is a very uncertain thing, even with the best planning, equipment, troops, leadership and cooperative weather. Mountbatten's failure as a Commander of RN vessels and at the Dieppe Raid (19 August 1942 -- Operation Jubilee) were red flags regarding his ability to lead. But he wasn't the only one who failed at this sort of thing -- Big time. Churchill had his major failure at Gallipoli (19 February 1915 - 9 January 1916), at the Dardanelles in the Ottoman Empire (i.e. modern, Turkey) during WW1.[1] That failure sent him Churchill into the political desert for at least a decade. Did Louis Mountbatten deserve to be made First Lord of Admiralty? Churchill thought so. ________________________________________ 1.) Let's not forget Lee's command for Pickett's Charge at the Battle of Gettysburg (3 July 1863) during the American Civil War (1860-1865) *OR* The Charge of the Light Brigade (25 October 1854) led by Lord Cardigan, at the Battle of Balaclava during the Crimean War (1853--1856) Even George Washington messed up his first command at the Battle of Jumonville Glen (28, May 1754) This was near Fort Duquesne (aka: Fort Prince George) at the site of modern Pittsburgh, PA; during the French and Indian War (1754--1763)
I like your context. For the Brits Churchill was the only man prepared to take the fight to the Nazis if you read ‘Eight Days in May’ about his promotion to the prime minister you see what a bunch of secret Nazi sympathisers British leaders were. I think they knew he was flawed but there was no other leader at that point.
That’s what I was thinking, not following protocol + catastrophic outcome = court martial or whatever Britain calls it. Since Churchill was complicit I guess that’s what save him. I can’t understand why this was such a priority? Once they realized the risks during rehearsal they just rename it and go on with it? I wonder if the channels they choose not to inform had already said NO to the mission so they couldn’t run it by them again with a new name. I hate that those in power totally disregard the soldiers on the ground for their own hubris. Still happening today.
Cheere, to your point about parents admitting mistakes, Brene Brown’s book The Wisdom of Insecurity addressed that very point and it’s a brilliant point! Thank you🙏🏻
An appropriate chapter given the recent 80th D-Day commerative activities. Edited to add that I am thoroughly enjoying this book. I voted against reading it because of the SA and thought it would be too dark, but it is proving to be so interesting to this point.
Watch Operation Mincemeat. I also have read about Montgomery, who saved many lives in North Africa, called his pastor on his (Montgomery’s) actions at El-Alamein. He lost only a few but felt anguish because he had to sacrifice some lives. I’ll look for that.
Cheere, I am loving this book review. May I suggest the book Jennie about Winston Churchill’s mother. I am 63 and first read it when I was 15. I’m enjoying it again now. I believe it is right up your alley! ❤😊It is by Ralph Martin.
If i remember from History class, the Enigma machine was found on U-boats that were captured in 41, but the books that helped use the machine weren't found until the cature of a U-boat in 42. Dont hold me to that, ive probably opened the wrong door in my mind palace.
Maybe after this book review. Do a review on Mountbatten’s sister Prince Philip’s mother there is a very good documentary on UA-cam called the Queen’s mother in law. Different from her brother she became a Greek orthodox nun and is buried in Jerusalem
Makes one realize how easy it is, post operations, to rewrite history in favore of its' "victors". Reading about battles and strategy has never appealed to me; though I love history. But, this was interesting. Thanks.
The book is fascinating. But your review really brings itbto life. I too wonder where Dickie is headed.. Will he learn from his mistakes and become a better leader??? Or will his status always protect him and advance him above true military heroes?
Interesting that this chapter should fall on the 80th anniversary of the D Day landings. Tom hanks put out a movie I doubt you would have seen- probably in the wilds of New Guinea. It was called Saving Private Ryan. I saw it at the movies with another couple. I found the first 45 minutes SO distressing that I cried my eyes out the whole time & twice asked if anyone else wanted to leave. They didn’t. The next 2 hours I was BORED to tears because it wasn’t particularly interesting and I realised it was a Hanks vanity project. It won ALL the awards though. It was about this same day. I love British detective dramas. NO ONE does them better. One in particular that I still rewatch is called Foyle’s War. It’s set in coastal SE England fishing area. One episode references this day with every available fishing boat & their owner getting to France to bring home the injured they could find in the sea. The couldn’t make it to the beach because of all the bodies. Many of the skippers died too but they saved many hundreds of lives I read later.
You must know that Lord Louis Mountbatten was murdered by the IRA , right ? One of his grandsons, and a local boy serving as crew & Mountbatten's son-in-law's mother also all perished. Yes he was quite a character but one for the ages . You said it was wild that he was in the midst of so many world events. He was one of the greatest generation . He was good-looking , Queen Victoria's great- grandson , and a very charismatic man with international connections and friendships. I would love to have had a conversation with him . Goggle his funeral , a state funeral attended by kings , queens , presidents & head of state . Very dramatic.
Thank you Cheere, he was certainly what he thought was ‘the man’ . Bit try hard. I’m nit sure they actually got an enigma machine because the Germans would have known about that but I do know that Bletchley Park ( what wonderful brains those guys and gals were) cracked the code without the Germans knowing. It was a huge , huge help to the war effort. 🙏🙏👵🇦🇺
They had the early machine and they didn’t always respond (act or forewarn) to messages to fool the Nazis into thinking they hadn’t got it. Tough decisions.
Maybe historians got the Adm King punching a Brit and Adm King getting shot by one in the wrong order, though the comment from outside the room is priceless, too good to check.
I’m loving this book, a lot due to your unique review style! I put off tucking in on all this Mountbatten blah blah, however I’m hooked. I’m hoping you’re going to finish, but understand the pressure of more “Harold and Fraud.”
LLM sounds like a modern politician - on top of public relations, goes ahead with plans that anyone with common sense would question, good at dodging accountability and failing upwards.
This reminds me of the disastrous Gallipoli raid that sacrificed Australians and New Zealanders in WWI. Not sure they learned so much as improved technologies.
Not a friend of conspiracy theories, normally, but it does seem like Aussies, Kiwis and Canadians were seen as more “expendable” by their mostly English commands during both the wars.
Well the British were smashed in France 1940 (BEF Dunkirk) then fighting Rommel in Africa (El Alamein 1942) sadly with wars leaders are too keen to see their troops see action and become experienced.
HUGE mistakes were made in both wars while the normal recruits were just cannon fodder. Australian’s were considered cannon fodder. To my knowledge there were no Australians in positions of power. General McArthur & his team took over my daughter’s school so I took a bit more interest in details of WW2. We had Japanese submarines killing civilians here . Hopefully mistakes were made on the other side too but if Russia then Japan hadn’t joined the war the world would look very different. The Germans seemed to outsmart the allies a lot. Probably the well known cliche of German precision helped them. There’s a WONDERFUL TV series called ROGUE HEROES which is a comedy drama/ drama with laughs 🤷🏽♀️ about how the British SAS was born( in Egypt from memory) and some of their early missions. Bravery isn’t a word that covers it. They were all a bit mad in different ways. I highly recommend it if you can find it and I avoid war shows as a rule especially after seeing first Platoon- flew to Sydney , another state - another story - for the first session at then husband’s insistence. It was more because of the director, producer and cast. It freaked me out AND it was the first time a movie that had gone for 3 hours. Then Saving Private Ryan. I was done with anything to do with war on TV or movies until RH & I’m so glad I did. It had some excellent reviews.
Me. I’m one of those people who actually enjoy this book 🙋🏼♀️
I enjoy it as well
Me too!
Me three!
Me too
Me, me, me. I like it!
Maybe having a bunch of LORDS running a war wasn't the best strategy.
Not being accountable seems to be a family trait ,Dickie ,David and Harry .
Add Andrew.
And, allegedly, some twisted sexual leanings.
😂 the RF is meant to symbolically reflect us, have to say these types are in my family too!
@@marylyn3081 Andrew is a toad but he hasn't slagged his family or his country off ,unlike Harry who has done it for monetary gain.
@@barbaraallen435 plus he’s a traitor
Loving this book. I’m child of a Canadian WW2 vet, born in the 50s. True baby boomer. He would never talk about Dickie Mountbatten but I always knew he didn’t respect him. He loved Churchill for his leadership during WW2.
I am going to battle listening to this. My Grandpa (British) was part of the D Day attack. He was part of the troops that went in with the American Rangers. Fortunately he survived.
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You must be very proud.
In context there was this disaster, then in 1943 the Allies successfully invaded Sicily, and the Italy. Finally followed by D Day. The piece that would make Dieppe a disgrace would be failing to learn. I have no doubt that there were doubters to D Day ( and the other successful amphibious landings) silenced by the eventual victory which was not easy. My respects to your Grandfather who put his life on the line for our freedom. The bravery is awesome and the fighting after D Day was tough, it’s easy to think it was over by the 7th and it had only just begun.
@@lizl4158 the Cheere Denise channel is taking us through a book about the Mountbattens - Dickie & Edwina written by the same author who wrote Traitor King about David and Wallis..
Both books are shocking and fascinating- learning about what REALLY was going on. Very eye opening as back in those days people wrote letters and kept diaries so they’re well researched & resource rich.
Coincidentally the latest chapter was about Dieppe & the D day landings.
I highly recommend both.
My father was wounded during the Sword Beach landing. Also grateful that he survived.
I enjoy this better than H&M
Same here!
Sometimes it sounds like a bunch of schoolboys embarking on a crazy adventure, with no thought of planning...
British Naval divers retrieved an Enigma Machine from a sunken German submarine.The code was cracked by cryptologists at Bletchley Park which led to the defeat of Hitler's U-Boat fleet.
My American Father joined the Canadian Royal Air Force before America entered the War. I am throughly enjoying this book!
Hi from Canada! Dieppe was always taught to us as the darkest day of WWII for Canada. The objective of capturing the enigma machine may have comforted many Canadian families who thought their sons were slaughtered for nothing.
I was hearing this story for the first time and it was a dreadful war story. Lest we Forget those Canadian soldiers.
I hope they still teach the war, in England we have the study of the Weimar Republic.
Dieppe is still remembered here in Canada 🇨🇦. Sadly many young men were lost or injured there. Mountbatten shouldn’t have been given as much power as he was - and as we’ve seen, it went to his head and caused catastrophe.
I am enjoying this book. Dickie was great at promoting himself. Please read out the book about Alice, Prince Phillip’s mother. What a life !
Oooohh I would love that!
I would love that one too!
Yes Prince Philips Mother! That’s a LIFE we can learn from too!
My high school boyfriend's father landed on one of the beaches..His father was a lot older than his mom and I remember him talking about his dad's military service which he was so proud to share with anybody that would listen..
The Germans added added a fourth rotor to Enigma machines in 1942 (only for U-Boats, fortunately for the allies) and it took a year for the British at Bletchley Park to crack those codes, only after grabbing cipher-keys from captured U-boats, and with the aid of US Navy Bombes.
The team at Dieppe which tried to capture an enigma machine and related code-books failed to get near its objective.
The layers of the war are truly fascinating. Brave all of them.
Timing on this was great - who knew we'd be reading about D-Day this close to the anniversary of it?
With my twin sisters' passing 36, funeral & then our birthday - 7 days later this week (it's late here), I truly needed something to "move my thoughts, move my spirit."
With a familiar voice, you have helped me to move a little. Thank you, God bless, and bless our community here. 🙏
So sorry, and take care.
This is a good little community to be part of. Take it easy as you can.
I am sorry to read about your loss of your twin Sister.
My condolences ❤
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Hearing about soldiers who trusted their leaders to protect them, only to be let down, is heartbreaking.
🎉🎉 I enjoy this book! Ty for getting the next chapter out. ❤ Next, do a book on Prince Phillip!! It would be awesome to learn more about him. 🎉🎉
You’d have a choice there is some good books on prince Philip he had an amazingly funny sense of humour but an awfully bad temper. He passed it down to his son and the prince of wales. ❤
Hayley 🇬🇧
I have watched two really good, with different views, on Phillip.
W would love the book by Mrs Crawford Queen Elizabeth's dresser
Philip Ease’s book on Prince Philip was fascinating.
Angela Kelly’s book was a bit steady, it was clear the Queen hired her for her discretion and the book was discreet. Good if you like sewing and fashion.
@@marlenewolffe4613 I wonder if you mean Angela Kelly? (Mrs. Crawford was the former nanny to Princesses Elizabeth and Margaret; she did also write a book.)
I read on Thursday that almost all of the amphibious tanks didn't get to shore on D Day at Omaha Beach.
I did a bit of research and it was viewed as the toe hold (and i mean toe!) to start the freedom of France and then onwards. Given that that happened, they view it as a success within the war, but it was a shocking loss of life
I read the fighting in the weeks after in the Bocage was also tough, hedge by hedge.
20 years ago I went with my mother to visit her brothers grave in the Canadian Commonwealth War Grave Cemetery just outside Dieppe. Beautiful and well kept. The taxi drivers always give a good rate if you say you are Canadian according to my French friend who came with us, it’s about a 15 minute drive from the ferry port. My uncle was a British Commando killed on the Dieppe raid. Last seen running up the beach.
❤😢 My respects. The Commonwealth War Graves Commission are amazing even caring for graves out the back of my house in England in local parishes. May your uncle rest in peace, though this was a failed mission, the subsequent amphibious assaults were successful, having also lost family in the was on what seems like a pointless mission, you have my sympathy.
Cheere, you have such a talent for storytelling. I could listen to you all day. You know, 'Audible' are always looking for talented narrators. I bet you are a wonderful teacher.
I often think “UA-camrs 1, 4th Graders 0”
I was amazed that Nevel Shute, the author was part of staff! That must be where some of the out lines of the stories he wrote came from! Dickie employed some unusual people
My uncle was one of the Commandos killed on the Dieppe raid. I visited the cemetery where he is buried with my mother his sister about 20 years ago. Beautiful Commonwealth War Grave Cemetery. 26 British buried there, the rest are Canadian.
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This is a very interesting chapter. In my opinion the Canadian troop/army, never got enough credit for their part in the second world war...
Very true.
I agree, watched the D Day commemoration at 50 due to being very sick at the time, we need to do more to give credit to all involved. I was pleased the Prince of Wales joined the Canadians this year as his presence draws media (in Britain) to highlight their role.
The British always made him out to such a war hero that these stories are shocking
Erm I think the British saw him for what he was, he made himself out to be a hero and like today the lazy media repeated the self created myth. Even Prince Philip said he gave himself too much credit.
In retrospect, Dickie could have taught a master class in “Self Promotion at All Costs.”
Montgomery could have been his co-instructor. . . .a bit of an ego problem there as well.
Monty was loved though; by his men. Not sure Dickie was, and if he was perhaps not in the same way!
Harry didn’t fall far from that tree.
I am loving the book. Champing at the bit for the next episode
The writing on this chapter was marvelous, I was literally shocked and choked up.
I’m enjoying this book.
The Allies eventually captured an enigma machine from a sinking submarine in May 1941.
My dad was a merchant seaman during the war. Canada declared war in Septermber 1939 and he went aboard then as a 17 year old and stayed for the duration. If the name Mountbatten was ever uttered in our house, dad always added a few choice words.
What a great man your father appears from this comment.
I'm loving this book! It's so interesting.
Perfect reading and story voice today for me. Kept my attention perfectly with inflection, nuanced and intelligent emphases....but didn't leave me edgy and jumpy. Of course a good text helps, but you are a talented reader and analyst.
What a Saturday morning treat after a long hard week! Thank you!
And I literally 'laughed out loud' with Dickie's experiment. Epic. Just whip out a gun. Then the ricochet. Someone really should write a comedic tome about Dickie and his exploits. You gotta give it to him- he had some kind of confidence. lol
I enjoy this book too.
A bit much detail for me this chapter - long covid has left me with brain foggy days, and this is one of them. Still enjoying it tho, and appreciating your commentary.
A great chapter given that we are admiring all the veterans at the 80th D Day anniversary; I didn’t know a lot about the Dieppe raid, imagine all those men having to keep leaving the landing craft with no hope of achieving the objective. Coincidentally my mother was in the Royal Air Force as a wireless operator and she worked in Y section which intercepted the messages for decoding by Bletchley
I love this book!
Dickie reminds me of Fitzgerald's Tom and Daisy who break things and retreat into rheir money and leave the clean- up to others.
Dieppe killed more Toronto men in one day than any other day in any conflict. The folks back home are devestated but Dickie goes right along tooting his own horn and lessons learned and all that.
He wasn't entirely to blame. The disaster was too huge for one man. But nobody benefitted from Dieppe more than him.
Dickie would’ve been a massively successful social media influencer if he lived in our time.
😂 ...saw my hand off... I am enjoying this book, and your sense of humor is classic. ❤ 😂
What a tangled web. Is it always like this. Our leaders seem to be a very mixed lot.
My father was in the Royal Marine Commandos and he often mentioned Mountbatten because he led the Burma Campaign. I think he was famous as a war hero in the UK mostly because of that. He was a tremendous morale booster to the troops when they were known as the Forgotten Army way out in the jungles of Burma.
Always look forward to you reading this book! Thank you!
Love this book! I'm having a great time listening along - I like all of your content.
Interesting chapter, I'm enjoying this book. Tricky Dickie is indeed a character.
Yes! Just in time for my Saturday morning coffee!
I’m enjoying ALL of the reviews you do!!!!
Excellent review of a very good book.
Churchill was responsible for the disaster of Gallipoli so Dickie was in 'good' company
The difference is Churchill resigned and went and fought in the trenches. . Research has now found that Gallipoli wasn't all Churchill's fault . Do your own research ,don't take my word for it 😊
@@barbaraallen435 It's never all on one person, I take your point. Nuance is important
Thank you!!! You have made my day😊
Cheerie Denise ... Soldering on! ❤👍😊
War is a very uncertain thing, even with the best planning, equipment, troops, leadership and cooperative weather.
Mountbatten's failure as a Commander of RN vessels and at the Dieppe Raid (19 August 1942 -- Operation Jubilee) were red flags
regarding his ability to lead. But he wasn't the only one who failed at this sort of thing -- Big time. Churchill had his major failure
at Gallipoli (19 February 1915 - 9 January 1916), at the Dardanelles in the Ottoman Empire (i.e. modern, Turkey) during WW1.[1]
That failure sent him Churchill into the political desert for at least a decade. Did Louis Mountbatten deserve to be made First Lord
of Admiralty? Churchill thought so.
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1.) Let's not forget Lee's command for Pickett's Charge at the Battle of Gettysburg (3 July 1863) during the American Civil War (1860-1865)
*OR* The Charge of the Light Brigade (25 October 1854) led by Lord Cardigan, at the Battle of Balaclava during the Crimean War (1853--1856)
Even George Washington messed up his first command at the Battle of Jumonville Glen (28, May 1754) This was near Fort Duquesne
(aka: Fort Prince George) at the site of modern Pittsburgh, PA; during the French and Indian War (1754--1763)
I like your context. For the Brits Churchill was the only man prepared to take the fight to the Nazis if you read ‘Eight Days in May’ about his promotion to the prime minister you see what a bunch of secret Nazi sympathisers British leaders were. I think they knew he was flawed but there was no other leader at that point.
That’s what I was thinking, not following protocol + catastrophic outcome = court martial or whatever Britain calls it. Since Churchill was complicit I guess that’s what save him. I can’t understand why this was such a priority? Once they realized the risks during rehearsal they just rename it and go on with it? I wonder if the channels they choose not to inform had already said NO to the mission so they couldn’t run it by them again with a new name. I hate that those in power totally disregard the soldiers on the ground for their own hubris. Still happening today.
A pretty decent alternate goal is offered by the end of the episode that answers a lot of questions.
@@cheeredenise I always do that, comment as soon as I think it. That’s why I sometimes post several posts lol
The Royal Navy calls a court-martial a court-martial.
I'm enjoying this book so much. Thank you 😊
I am enjoying this book. I love history.
Cheere, to your point about parents admitting mistakes, Brene Brown’s book The Wisdom of Insecurity addressed that very point and it’s a brilliant point! Thank you🙏🏻
I enjoy all your reviews! Thank you Cheere!!
An appropriate chapter given the recent 80th D-Day commerative activities. Edited to add that I am thoroughly enjoying this book. I voted against reading it because of the SA and thought it would be too dark, but it is proving to be so interesting to this point.
They capture machine or not it's not clear but after few months of operation jubilee, bletchley park broke the code of 4th rotor enigma.
I live in Bletchley and we’ve got an amazing museum about ‘Bletchley Park code brakes’
I look forward to each of these! H&M are tired and over analyzed. Ugh. I’ve had enough of them.
Watch Operation Mincemeat. I also have read about Montgomery, who saved many lives in North Africa, called his pastor on his (Montgomery’s) actions at El-Alamein. He lost only a few but felt anguish because he had to sacrifice some lives. I’ll look for that.
Cheere, I am loving this book review. May I suggest the book Jennie about Winston Churchill’s mother. I am 63 and first read it when I was 15. I’m enjoying it again now. I believe it is right up your alley! ❤😊It is by Ralph Martin.
I am very much enjoying this book. Thank you Cheere.
Love this book review!
If i remember from History class, the Enigma machine was found on U-boats that were captured in 41, but the books that helped use the machine weren't found until the cature of a U-boat in 42. Dont hold me to that, ive probably opened the wrong door in my mind palace.
Yay, I've been wanting more, more, more!
So glad to see you later on Saturday night:)
Maybe after this book review. Do a review on Mountbatten’s sister Prince Philip’s mother there is a very good documentary on UA-cam called the Queen’s mother in law. Different from her brother she became a Greek orthodox nun and is buried in Jerusalem
Dreadful abuse by her family, a shocking story.
What an interesting man Dickie was. Thanks for making interesting! The last bit you read did get me puzzled and laughing at the same time😀.
Makes one realize how easy it is, post operations, to rewrite history in favore of its' "victors".
Reading about battles and strategy has never appealed to me; though I love history. But, this was interesting.
Thanks.
The book is fascinating. But your review really brings itbto life. I too wonder where Dickie is headed.. Will he learn from his mistakes and become a better leader??? Or will his status always protect him and advance him above true military heroes?
😂 I am looking forward to what you make of him as he turns out!
I’m enjoying this book. :)
Thanks for keeping me company while I work ❤😊 Loving this book
Interesting that this chapter should fall on the 80th anniversary of the D Day landings.
Tom hanks put out a movie I doubt you would have seen- probably in the wilds of New Guinea.
It was called Saving Private Ryan. I saw it at the movies with another couple.
I found the first 45 minutes SO distressing that I cried my eyes out the whole time & twice asked if anyone else wanted to leave. They didn’t.
The next 2 hours I was BORED to tears because it wasn’t particularly interesting and I realised it was a Hanks vanity project.
It won ALL the awards though. It was about this same day.
I love British detective dramas. NO ONE does them better. One in particular that I still rewatch is called Foyle’s War. It’s set in coastal SE England fishing area. One episode references this day with every available fishing boat & their owner getting to France to bring home the injured they could find in the sea. The couldn’t make it to the beach because of all the bodies. Many of the skippers died too but they saved many hundreds of lives I read later.
I think they did secure Enigma hence the movie about Alan Turing of the same name
This is not a book I would have picked up before, but your telling of the story is captivating! I am really enjoying this book!!
thank you for continuing the book i really wanted to know what happened
Thank you 🎉🎉🎉
This was a great chapter
You must know that Lord Louis Mountbatten was murdered by the IRA , right ? One of his grandsons, and a local boy serving as crew & Mountbatten's son-in-law's mother also all perished.
Yes he was quite a character but one for the ages . You said it was wild that he was in the midst of so many world events.
He was one of the greatest generation . He was good-looking , Queen Victoria's great- grandson , and a very charismatic man with international connections and friendships.
I would love to have had a conversation with him .
Goggle his funeral , a state funeral attended by kings , queens , presidents & head of state . Very dramatic.
His death was truly shocking.
Well delivered..
Next chapter soon????? PLEASE Over H&M I like the thinking “food” you put out! Give me nutrition woman! 😂❤
Thank you Cheere, he was certainly what he thought was ‘the man’ . Bit try hard. I’m nit sure they actually got an enigma machine because the Germans would have known about that but I do know that Bletchley Park ( what wonderful brains those guys and gals were) cracked the code without the Germans knowing. It was a huge , huge help to the war effort. 🙏🙏👵🇦🇺
They had the early machine and they didn’t always respond (act or forewarn) to messages to fool the Nazis into thinking they hadn’t got it. Tough decisions.
Maybe historians got the Adm King punching a Brit and Adm King getting shot by one in the wrong order, though the comment from outside the room is priceless, too good to check.
I definitely love your book readings!
Enjoying the book!!❤
they didn't retrieve the machine during the Dieppe raid, but they were successful later when they captured a U-boat in the Atlantic
Thank you Cheere
I’m loving this book. It’s fascinating.😊
I’m loving this book, a lot due to your unique review style! I put off tucking in on all this Mountbatten blah blah, however I’m hooked. I’m hoping you’re going to finish, but understand the pressure of more “Harold and Fraud.”
LLM sounds like a modern politician - on top of public relations, goes ahead with plans that anyone with common sense would question, good at dodging accountability and failing upwards.
I’m enjoying this book, thank you.
This reminds me of the disastrous Gallipoli raid that sacrificed Australians and New Zealanders in WWI. Not sure they learned so much as improved technologies.
I find this book really interesting. Good choice!
Not a friend of conspiracy theories, normally, but it does seem like Aussies, Kiwis and Canadians were seen as more “expendable” by their mostly English commands during both the wars.
Well the British were smashed in France 1940 (BEF Dunkirk) then fighting Rommel in Africa (El Alamein 1942) sadly with wars leaders are too keen to see their troops see action and become experienced.
Red is definitely your color!
Really enjoying this
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HUGE mistakes were made in both wars while the normal recruits were just cannon fodder.
Australian’s were considered cannon fodder. To my knowledge there were no Australians in positions of power.
General McArthur & his team took over my daughter’s school so I took a bit more interest in details of WW2.
We had Japanese submarines killing civilians here .
Hopefully mistakes were made on the other side too but if Russia then Japan hadn’t joined the war the world would look very different.
The Germans seemed to outsmart the allies a lot. Probably the well known cliche of German precision helped them.
There’s a WONDERFUL TV series called ROGUE HEROES which is a comedy drama/ drama with laughs 🤷🏽♀️ about how the British SAS was born( in Egypt from memory) and some of their early missions. Bravery isn’t a word that covers it. They were all a bit mad in different ways.
I highly recommend it if you can find it and I avoid war shows as a rule especially after seeing first Platoon- flew to Sydney , another state - another story - for the first session at then husband’s insistence. It was more because of the director, producer and cast. It freaked me out AND it was the first time a movie that had gone for 3 hours. Then Saving Private Ryan. I was done with anything to do with war on TV or movies until RH & I’m so glad I did. It had some excellent reviews.
I'm waiting for the next installment. Trying to be paitient.
Troops being landed in the wrong place...hmmm...where had that happened before and under whom? Gallipoli 25th April 1915 under Churchill...