Sola Scriptura is that Scripture alone is infallible (final authority for faith and practice), so that alone we can trust. What can we know about doctrine? Comes from Scripture. What are held accountable to? Scripture. Scripture is the foundation of the Christian faith, it's where we find the source of truth, it all comes down to Scripture.
Biblical, okay, fine, then if we do go by the man made tradition of Scripture alone, then we must take Jesus Christ at His Word, that His Flesh is True food and Blood True drink. ( John 6:53-55, Matthew 26:26), and not the fallible interpretations of men. God's Peace!
@@gabrielkinzel3389 Not at all, for Jesus Christ is the new Passover Lamb, ( John 1:29, 1 Corinthians 5:8), as and the Passover is not complete until the Passover Lamb is consumed, ( Exodus 12:8, John 6:53) God's Peace to you!
The only reason Sola Scriptura is confronted by the Catholic and Orthadox Church is because it removes authority from their Church and puts it back into the agreed written Word of God.
The church precedes the existence of the new Testament(even one word of it) by at least 20 years if not more. You believe in a church before scripture as well
@Thinking-Biblically the part where a church was quite literally functioning and propagating the gospel under the new covenant before even one word of the New Testament was written. The part where the understanding of New Testament was the blood and body of Christ, before there was again, even one word of New Testament scripture to uphold it. The old Testament prophecies and points to but in no way describes the doctrine that we as Christians live under. 20 years between Pentecost and the first book of the new Testament even being written, let alone available to mostly anyone within the community of believers. So who was running the ball in those decades before there even existed a Canon of new Testament scripture? Ah yes, a church was.
@@privatepyle2200 just like old testament saints with the scripture. Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him as righteousness. People were saved the same way. The old testament and the new same way of salvation. Scripture tells us how to be saved not we tell the scripture
James White speaks for the cult of James White . It’s garbage . One Proof : does James White believe in tongues ??? Does James white BELIVE in literally laying hands on sick ???? Casting out demons . ??? Using cloth to heal people ??? No.. !!!! Calvin didn’t and neither did Luther . They don’t believe in literal scripture ??? It went away at apostles death ??? Who said ??? Is it in bible ??? Is Trinity in bible ??? Martin Luther didn’t want book of James and revelation in bible !!!!
My contention is simply this. Even if Jesus and the Apostles promoted tradition, it would be asinine to believe that the traditions that they passed on would contradict their writings. That would make them hypocritical and we would have no infallible source to trust. So the best source we have is what is written and based on what is written we can surmise what the traditions that the Apostles and/or Jesus would have passed on. The scripture is the only thing referred to as God-breathed.
@@hubertagamasu6283 I think there can be valuable information that isn't in the bible. These traditions or beliefs can be valuable, but I think there is a big difference between looking at what the very early church fathers said compared to what a church father said 1500 years later that isn't confirmed by scripture or early church writings or that even contradicts early church writings or scripture. For example, neither in the bible nor in the early church fathers, lets say before 250 AD, they were not praying to Mary nor elevating her closer and closer to divinity. I mean if the pope wants to bless couples that he shouldn't... how much time needs to pass before it becomes tradition, even though it wasn't a tradition for 2000 years.
@@adam9817 1. Petitioning dead saints goes against scripture and we find no examples of Jesus or the Apostles doing any such acts. 2. Holding Mary up as a perpetual virgin, when scriptures say that Joseph did not consummate his marriage with Mary UNTIL she gave birth to her first born son, Jesus. (Matthew 1:24-25). 3. Requiring priest to remain celibate. There is nothing in scripture that says priest must remain celibate. As a matter of fact, the requirements were that he must be the husband of one wife. Celibacy was desired but not required. 4. Requiring the sacraments as a condition of salvation. These just a few.
@@angramp3430 glad you enjoyed that. I wasn't trying to be funny. I have a video dropping in a half-hour that explains how Trent Horn backs up Sola Scriptura is taught in Mark 7.
Before you do anything get a book by Charles Chiniquy called "50 years in the Church of Rome", read it, and with Gods help it will help you make a decision
@@BibleLovingLutheran LCMS is a great denomination. Many faithful, smaller Lutheran denominations out there as well. Heck, contrary to what might seem obvious, even the ELCA isn’t as bad as everyone seems to think from the outside.
I agree that Catholics often use very bad arguments against sola scriptura (and misrepresent it all the time), but the guy calling into the show was not exactly informed himself. That arrogant confidence is so obnoxious and does not help anyone.
We have a church that says its the true church but DENIES BLATANTLY the WORD OF GOD that they claim to revere to be indeed God's word. THEYRE literally saying the SCRIPTURE is not enough, God's word is not enough, God's inspired work through the apostles is not enough. The audacity to deny God and claim to be the church of God. This god they serve is surely not the God of the Sola Scriptura
The fact that reason for obeying is Moses' Seat, seems to point to Scripture also. Moses represents the law and thus also (at times) the Old Testament Scriptures as a whole.
@Super Genius Ah yes, his seething anger must have prompted the highly emotional response of following a long-standing debate norm of referring to someone as “my opponent.” If that is the sort of questions you are asking, then it is no wonder that you aren’t getting answers. I’m not catholic, but it is essentially a demonstrated fact that White is wrong about church polity. I’ve never heard a meaningful reformed baptist account as to what the purpose of the sacraments are, but does that really mean anything to you?
I used to believe in sola scriptura. Of course relying on it as my final authority. Then I started to read the bible and it pointed to the Catholic Church as the final authority. Then I converted. God started a Church on the Rock... There can only be "one truth " 1 Timothy 3:15 New International Version (NIV) if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.
Logically speaking... If the Greek word, "ADELPHOI" means COUSIN, then, why translate it in English Text as "BROTHER" instead of COUSIN if that was what truly meant? ... WHY?... because that was not Biblically TRUTH... Amen.
The book, the Two Babylons totally destroys the Catholic Church by showing how all their traditions come from pagan religions that back track all the way to Babylon.
@@missaleromanum5614 The date is a pagan worship day. The tree is a pagan bal and the Grove symbo of their worship and the term christ mass is Roman catholic. No one knows the date of Jesus birthday.
@@missaleromanum5614 Go ahead. Get your christ mass tree. Celebrate all you want. Nothing changes what it is and where it can't from. You put a pagan symbol on a pagan holiday with a Roman Catholic name and you call it good because of how you view it in your mind. Israelites thought they were doing a good thing by bringing the pagan symbols in as well. That didn't work out so well. The beast is coming. Now you know why.
@@missaleromanum5614 No. It goes back to baal and the Grove worship in the Bible. It's definitely pagan. Constantine combined the pagan festival with Christianity. He did it to ease tension among the people.
Considerate husband, let his wife and daughter have this important conversation and just watched over them like a body guard. Didn't interrupt and fight and try to sweep in and take up the seed which was planted like a bird, instead just let you do your thing and then gave a thumbs up, almost like he was approving of what you had done.
What it says in 2 Thessalonians 2:15 for the Catholic to defend their practices and Doctrine and is sure on Traditions that are never mentioned in any of Paul's epistles. How can they believe Paul? Or give a meaningful answer with Paul's letter to the Colossians in Chapter 1:23-25 where he says he has completed his ministry in fulfilling the Word of God. Verse 26 is to the saints because God has blinded the proud and prudent
Apostolic tradition. Tradition of the church that was established by Christ. Without which you wouldn’t have scripture to attack the Catholic Church. Ironic
@@filipkarwowski6510 the word changes depending on needs and context. Unique Catholic dogmas can't be traced to any legitmate tradition going back to the apostles. So not really apostolic at all. The only place we have God's infallible word today is in Scripture.
@@geoffrobinson you really don’t know the church fathers and their writings do you? Beyond that, Christ’s authority, the church is still here, ergo, for you to think scripture is the sole authority, you’d have to reject the very authority that collected the books of the bible and canonized them. Ironic
You're just dealing with tired Catholic apologetic tropes that lack historical grounding. Scripture is the only place today we have God's infallible word today. That's just the case of the matter. //Beyond that, Christ’s authority, the church is still here, ergo, for you to think scripture is the sole authority, you’d have to reject the very authority that collected the books of the bible and canonized them. Ironic// Let's break down how bad your argument is. First, we have the historical fact that the Jews were able to recognize Scripture without an infallible Magisterium. Secondly, that Rome didn't infallibly define her own canon until 1546. These two things combined completely shred your argument. Unless of course your arguing for us to become Orthodox Jews or something but that would involve a consistency I've never seen from a Catholic apologist. Arguments aren't crafted but picked to achieve a pre-determined end. Don't worry about consistency. But then you assume that the church of today has the same authority as the church that recognized what was Scripture so many centuries ago. OK. Well, we can see that Rome has diverged from traditional Catholicism, let alone all its heretical divergences from Scripture. So if that's the case, you establish so much. Anyone with an iota of awareness can see through these arguments.
James White pretending he knows what other Catholics actually believe, lol that’s rich. Richer still when he claims that even priests don’t believe it… He’s atrociously wrong on that front. And unfortunately he has his own set of “de fide” beliefs, such as double predestination. In other words, God condemns some to hell before they’ve ever had the chance to be born and live on earth. Please don’t get it twisted folks, White isn’t just “another Protestant” he’s a Calvinist as well. And Protestantism is built on the spirit of division, and not of unity. What most of you miss the mark on is that Jesus did NOT leave a set of scriptures behind, as did Moses. Moses did indeed write down scripture for the people of God. But this is why we know in the NT there were disagreements among the Jews about the afterlife or even the cannon of scripture, some believing that scripture only consisted of the Torah, the mosaic books. Christ went a different direction and left behind a Church, with his authority to discern his teachings and share His Gospel and Grace to the world. And inevitably, the question that Protestantism can’t answer (and certainly not James White), is who or what had the final say as to what is the cannon of scripture. Anyone who knows even some of the history of how the Bible came to be, knows there was much discussion on the matter. And it’s cute to say “Holy Spirit guided me to the Truth.” But again, the spirit of division is so awesome in Protestantism that it cannot conclusively agree on who is ultimately correct, and who has correctly discerned what Holy Spirit is communicating, even apparently that “same” Holy Spirit has told each individual leader of a denomination, a uniquely different answer. There are no real answers to behold apparently, because each individual has the ability to discern “correctly” even when the answers are never in agreement.
@@jmisssjb05 you haven’t been listening. He says “what the Catholic Church teaches”, or, “what Rome teaches”. He nearly ALWAYS acknowledges that contemporary Catholic belief sets, run the gamut. Roman Catholics are people - not a monolith or Borg.
@@jmisssjb05 the crazy part is he addressed Tim staples and didn’t put “live answer against catholic/catholic church on sola scriptura” many Catholics do this to Protestants but he didn’t he corrected him staples himself.
Unfortunately Mr. Staples has a tendency to misquote scripture. The last one I heard was a few months back when Tim attributes a quote by James as having been said by Peter. Basically claiming that in Acts 15 “Peter” says, to those gathered to discuss the Gentile believers, “Hearken unto me” (KJV) as evidence that “Pope Peter” was making the final decision regarding the issue, when it was in fact James who it can be argued was in charge, at least at the church in Jerusalem. You are right-on with your assessment of Staples ‘SHOCK AND AWE’ method of “teaching”. Most Catholics don’t really care enough to look into it for themselves.
quote; Most Catholics don’t really care enough to look into it for themselves. Really? Well here's a Catholic who has looked into it. We can discuss the Jerusalem Council if you would like.
@@jzak5723 My apologies. I was referring to Tim Staples errors in his quoting of scripture. That's what I find most Catholics do not really care to look into. They'll accept what he says at face value and don't bother to confirm what he's saying is true or accurate. I know many Catholics who read and study scripture. Sorry for the confusion. God bless.
Why don't you expect the typology of Moses and Christ, the same transmission of the oral traditions are kept today, why change suddenly and go agaisnt the authority?
The Seat Of Moses seems to be an obedient application of divine ordinances, but it doesn't seem to be a divine ordinance. Rome are very blasphemous and anti-Christ and anti-Gospel, so any argument about the specific wrongful traditions of the rabbis would also apply well to Romanism, which is how the passage of Scripture applies as an admonition for our benefit.
Lol say what??? What has that has to do with "sola scripture"?? During first AD there was new testament down in scrolls?? And each apostles carried all the scrolls to all the cities while they were preaching Christ massage??
@@michael7144 why are you running in circles?? I'm talking about the whole bible not just old testament. During first A.D early apostles days was the scriptures already written down?? You protestant claims "sola scripture" so my question is was the whole bible canonized right after Christ resurrection?? Or even all the books and letters of the first testament were written at the same time and by same author??
@@francisgomes9976 Nobody is running in circles except you. Do you know what a strawman argument is? You are asking me a question to prove something about a point that I never made. Roman's need an interpreter, which is ironic since that's the point I was making, and here you are, going in circles. I have a book recommendation for you on this topic, its called "the question of canon" by Michael j kruger, you might need an interpreter but it will answer your stupid questions.
Jesus was not condemning tradition of Korban. Jesus was condemning the misapplication of korban which denied parents assistance. This misapplication is the traditions of man. Jesus was not condemning all traditions.
Glad james white watches catholic answers. Maybe one day he’ll come to a full knowledge of the truth in the church. The early church fathers speak and teack contrary to many of the man made Calvanist doctrines. For all you protestants out there…. What is the true church that Jesus founded.? Upon this rock I will build my CHURCH.?
Yes Jesus is the head of his church. But now that hes in heaven he left the “keys of the kingdom” to Peter. When a king leaves his keys to someone he leaves his kingdom and authority with that individual. Also gave them authority to “bind and loose.”
The rock is Jesus, not Peter. Eph 5:23 NKJV - 23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. I came from a roman Catholic background in Northern Ireland and was taught from an early age that the roman Catholic Church was the only true church. It wasn't until I started to read God's word for myself that I discovered so many problems with the interpretation that Rome puts on scripture. I was never encouraged to read God's word. All I had to do was accept the churches authority on matters of Doctrine. I remember as a young boy my brother and I used to go to midnight Mass at Christmas time. In those days, the mass was said in latin. I said to my brother I don't understand a word that man was saying, but he's the man of God, so I just blindly accepted it as the truth with no actual reference to what the word of God actually says in a language that I could understand. I now go to a reformed baptist church where the emphasis is put on the word of God, and you are taught in a language that you understand. I must say I have no bitterness towards roman Catholic people after all most of my family are roman catholics. But I do have a serious problem with some of the teachings of the roman Catholic Church. I remember talking to a young roman Catholic man one day, and he was quite adamant that the pope was the head of the church. I pointed him to Eph 5:23, and his response was, well obviously the bible is wrong then." I find that very sad. My prayer is that Catholic people will have a greater desire to read and search the bible for themselves because it is the only source of truth. We must take the attitude that the Bereans did in the apostle Paul’s time, Acts 17:11 - Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. True Christianity is based on what the word of God says not the word of man.
Jesus had a problem with the traditions trumping the word of God. I used to be a member of a church that traditionally takes the Lord's Supper every Sunday but that's not anything that's in contradiction with the written word of God. There's nothing wrong with keeping a tradition of faith and obedience to the word of God and, in fact, it is desirable. Jesus said, "Call no man your father upon the earth, for one is your Father, which is in heaven." He's speaking about religious titles in this context and not about your daddy. A tradition that would be in conflict with that commandment would be an example of something Jesus would object to. 2 John 9 - Whosoever transgresseth (i.e. goes beyond) and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ hath not God. He that abideth by the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. So, as long as the tradition does not violate prior revelation (all scripture is given by inspiration of God, don't forget) then there's nothing wrong with it.
@R Treadwell St Paul warns the church of different teachings being brought in . As the early church were Jews and gentiles the Jews adhered to the Talmud . Abiding by Old Testament levitical laws was the means of justification. The individuals St. Paul talks about in Jude are the gentiles who preach faith alone yet produce no works they have a dead faith . And here’s the issue of those preaching the law as I stated in the beginning Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Jude 1:4 the sola fida alone with no works illustrated below. New International Version For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.
Ok so did the church fall away? And then Martin Luther rediscovered the true gospel of faith alone that was lost ? Why did God allow the church to lose the gospel if He said He would never leave the church and would lead you into all truth, would be a contradiction. You end up proving too much by your argument
James White, he is really talking nonsense here. The correct interpretation of Tradition according to Catholicism is undisputed. But hey! What about Mary? Did the Christians to whom Paul wrote the letters believe in the dogma of Mary? Better still --DID THE EARLY CHRISTIANS TAUGHT WHAT CALVIN TAUGHT?
WOW! Even you Mr White, are trying so hard to pass down a "TRADITION" here Sir. So, let just imagine for a moment that your Oral teaching is Divine like Moses, and Binding like Moses. Does that mean like Moses you are also wrong? I respect your work Mr White, but all I see here is a man, passing on what he thinks is the right tradition on how to interpret the word of GOD and it sounds like your are contradicting yourself.
"...especially most Roman Catholics. Most Roman Catholics are not grabbin' a bible program and checking that stuff out. There're a few, but the vast majority, 'eh, he said it, that sounds good.' That's just how it works." Once again, James's expertise in Straw Man creation comes to the forefront. Newsflash: this is a human problem. Protestant laity are not magically smarter or more educated or do better exegesis than Catholics. There is no evidence to support this, and in fact the very premise of this argument undermines Protestantism as a whole. Comparing Roman Catholic laity to educated Protestants is, by definition, a Straw Man. And the argument here undoes itself -- if Protestants were naturally better at studying Holy Scripture than were Catholics, then there would be some sort of consensus among Protestants regarding theological basics. There is not, and that evidence speaks for itself.
He then went on to talk about how some fundamental Protestants got blown out in a debate with Catholics. If u listen to him enough he constantly talks about how Protestants, Catholics, Mormons, etc don’t know there on doctrine like they did in the past. It’s not James white calling out Catholics specifically he does it with other groups(including his own) all the time
I didn't watch the whole video, to be honest. So I don't know where James White is coming from. But I somehow came to the same conclusion based on my personal experiences. I think the protestant laity know their scriptures better than the Catholic laity do. I live in India. Once, I shifted to new place and was not aware where I can find a church that agrees with the same core doctrines as I do, so I went to a nearby Catholic church in the first week. To my surprise, only a very few of those in congregation carried their Bibles. I barely got any need to open up my Bible & refer. I had a friendly debate with a young catholic of my age after the service was over. What I observed from my Catholic friends was that they rarely open up their Bibles to read it for themselves. I don't know if it's because I never got to encounter a devout Catholic in my life or Catholics are by & large like that. But to give credit where it's due, I think Catholic laity are more familiar with the church history than the protestant laity.
@@sumanthpaul7724 not carrying a bible to Mass is in no way an indicator of biblical literacy, as it misunderstands the entire purpose of Mass (or the Divine Liturgy in the East). Regarding biblical literacy in general...maybe? But several polls have thrown serious doubt on Protestant understanding of Christianity in the last few years, with even large numbers of pastors not having a Trinitarian understanding (fun fact: even James White has admitted this).
Why then listen to fallible Protestant and unnecessary Protestant Pastors like James White, when we have the infallible Holy Scriptures? Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink!
@countryboyred yes, I am obsessed with Truth my friend! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink!
The way James White reads passages from the Bible is scandalous! This is the Word of God! You can’t read passages that are not of your interest at the moment like bla, bla, bla... 😧
The Catholic church take all of sacred scripture, and throws it all out altogether saying its not enough. I may know a reason why this man went out from the Southern baptist and went catholic, not because he wanted God, but because of the licentious lifestyle being a catholic gives you. Youre free to do what you want.
That’s ridiculous. Catholicism is know for it’s strict morality, after all, the whole issue people take with Rome is their “works based salvation.” People cease being southern Baptists because it isn’t an intellectually stimulating tradition.
"And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth." [Rev. 11:3, ESV]. The Papists deny the authority of God's "two witnesses".
@@khasichristian6410 Sola Scriptura is a authority claim, not a doctrinal claim. And faith alone was taught by Paul in the new testament, Of course it was taught by the early church.
Think God for creating the Roman Catholic Church so that true believers could see what false belief and idolatry is. God creates the wicked so that his children could know what it looks like and stay away from it.
Yet the Lord Jesus did say that they “sit in the seat (magisterium) of Moses” and therefore do all that they say. I don’t think Mr White’s position handles this very well. It still allows the Catholic Church to be authoritative, even if not infallible.
It's funny how he just skips over the office of bishopric but besides that and the specific written letter and oral message in Acts 15 and a "mandate" that must be given by the Church let's look at Mark 7 Mark 7... keep reading..as for most protestant claims.. as Tim Staples eludes to, do not allow them to cherry pick scripture.. white also knows he is leaving this part out so that he doesn't have to come up w another personal interpretation of how he can deny this part of scripture also. 9 And he said to them: Well do you make void the commandment of God, that you may keep your own tradition. 10 For Moses said: Honour thy father and thy mother; and He that shall curse father or mother, dying let him die. 11 But you say: If a man shall say to his father or mother, Corban, (which is a gift,) whatsoever is from me, shall profit thee. 12 And further you suffer him not to do any thing for his father or mother, 13 Making void the word of God by your own tradition, which you have given forth. And many other such like things you do. 14 And calling again the multitude unto him, he said to them: Hear ye me all, and understand. 15 There is nothing from without a man that entering into him, can defile him. But the things which come from a man, those are they that defile a man. Jesus went after the Pharisees because they were Twisting scripture and tradition by not honoring their father and mother and denying them the care they were obligated to show them.. why else would he go from their evil to "honor your father and mother". White knows this and that is why he stopped reading the full scripture
The only Tradition that is found everywhere and always in the Christian Churches is Holy Scripture which is the very definition of Catholic. Psalm 119:2 In Thy Word I trust.
Regarding 2Tim@-17, i noticed Prots stress the qualifiers attributed to the man of God ("complete" and "fully" and "every") but fail to stress the qualifer attributed to Scripture which is "All". The qualifier "All" leaves open the possibility of other things being inspired of God. Stressing the qualities of the man of God does not teach Sola Scriptura. Let me give you an example: All military documents and manuals are useful/profiitable for making a soldier complete, fully equiped for every military duty. The above does not mean Sola Manual. Soldiers need Military leadership, training, battle field Intel and much more. Prot's only source of Truth is Scripture and yet they don't even understand basic grammatical logic. 2 Pet @ "as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures."
"If you WISH to enter into life, then keep the commandments ", ( Matthew 19:17) "CHOOSE LIFE, keep the commandments", ( Deuteronomy 30:19). Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is True food and Blood True drink
Nicholas Brainard Paul says in 2 Thessalonians 2:15 So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter. Hes very clearly for traditions that come from him and other apostles, which in turn come from God.
@@BRNRDNCK is Luke like (arguably the other gospels) not just collecting oral traditions about Jesus? 1 Corinth 15 quotes an oral tradition that forms the earliest creed?
@@nerdherd7138 Actually, he told them to hold on to what had already been passed down, not WHATEVER tradition ANYBODY ANYTIME in history receives. The Catholic reading of that is just insane.
James White is just a guy with an opinion on the bible. Only the Catholic church has the authority from Jesus. Big difference. Jesus started the Catholic church in 33ad. Protestant churches started by men.
You must be really unsure of your catholicism, based on the sheer amount of comments that you write. If the catholic church only has authority, why does Paul tell us to check what the preacher is telling you yourself? Why does it say that the holy spirit gives us all the understanding we need? All scripture is God breathed, so why does catholic teaching contradict the Bible? The Bible > the catholic church
@@Bob-wr1md Actually, I'm supremely confident in my Catholicism. I just try to help people out. Jesus started the Catholic church. Jesus made Peter the first pope. I didn't set it up this way....I just follow Jesus plan. No Catholic doctrine contradicts the bible because the Catholic church canonized the NT in 392ad. There is no salvation outside the Catholic church. The soul you save could be your own. Protestants go to a man made church. Google it.
@@johnyang1420 Nah, your arguments don't impress me. Peter wasn't the first pope, because he was married and he was criticized for being a hypocrite by Paul. In the new testament, there already was division among the church, based on popularity, so if Peter was the pope, how would that make sense? The concept of the pope is nowhere found in scripture. Praying to saints is heresy. Claiming your denomination is the only one to salvation is a characteristic of a cult. The catholic church doesn't even want anyone reading the Bible on their own, that's why they tried to kill people who wanted to translate it. The protestants are not a man made church, because your definition of church is completely wrong. Church isn't an institution, but a place where people come together, to worship God and are under elders and pastors. The catholic church is corrupt. The catholic church systemically enables sexual child abuse and protects pedophiles. The catchism was changed multiple times, if the pope is infallible in terms of doctrine, how is that possible?
When Tim Staples defends Mary being a perpetual virgin, sinless, her immaculate conception and her assumption into Heaven and not dying... Tim literally foams at the mouth.
In every conceivable way possible Reformed Theology is completely outside Traditional Christianity. While the basic concept of Sola Scriptura is true Reformed Theology has proven itself incapable of understanding a single thing that is taught in the Bible. Sola Scriptura as a driving concept has its place. Unfortunately, the RCC, and the Orthodox Church, have fallen into their own traps; just not as badly as Reformed Theology did.
3:50-4:00So tradition that contradicts scripture is a no no? Ok cool so we can get rid of other intermediates besides Christ in the catholic tradition now (1 Tim 2:5)
David, you mean other intermediates like Peter and Paul, and their prayers and shadow and handkerchiefs? ( Acts 5:15, Acts 9:38,40, Acts 19:11). You are in my prayers! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is True food and Blood True drink
@@matthewbroderick8756 these powers weee God given . Please don’t try to contradict 1 Timothy 2:5. The church shouldn’t make dogma that contradicts scripture at all We know the popes and their infallibility is nonsense due to past dogma that we now see as sin such as indulgences I’m praying for you. Don’t contradict the word of God for man made doctrine . As Paul said in Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!
Notice, James White rests his entire argument on an apocryphal book (the Mishna) written by those who rejected the divinity of Christ, and reject every book of the new testament, to show that MAYBE the Jewish "magisterium" had the Korban rule in effect in the time of Jesus, 250 years prior. Jesus condemned a tradition that contradicted the word of God. Amen. Jesus did not say, "The written word of God is all you should appeal to as an authority." Because then Jesus would be commanding his disciples to reject his own words, the oral word of God. Catholics would agree that any tradition that exists should not be in contradiction with scripture because if it is, it is not the infallible word of God. The Korban rule was not a matter of the divine oral tradition from Moses because if it was, then Jesus wouldn't condemn the practice. It was, rather, a practice that the elders held to against what was divinely revealed by God. Sacred Scripture and Sacred tradition, with the living Holy Magisterium, are never in conflict, and they never have been. Any authorities in the Church's past who deviated from the truth of either the Tradition or Scripture are those we call Heretics. Plentiful examples all the way down to the early church. The Catholic Church does not hold that the Tradition is "Supreme" over the Scripture. It holds that these two can never be in conflict because both are divine revelation that was passed down from the Apostles (or Apostolic men). James, if you want to test everything by Scripture, you have to have an exact perfect interpretation of the entire Bible, and that would make you infallible. Since you wish to be your own Pope, show me your line of succession that leads back to Peter, then I can take your word for what Jesus is or isn't teaching.
Sola Scriptura is that Scripture alone is infallible (final authority for faith and practice), so that alone we can trust. What can we know about doctrine? Comes from Scripture. What are held accountable to? Scripture. Scripture is the foundation of the Christian faith, it's where we find the source of truth, it all comes down to Scripture.
Thank you Biblical theology
@@gabrielkinzel3389 Happy to help.
Biblical, okay, fine, then if we do go by the man made tradition of Scripture alone, then we must take Jesus Christ at His Word, that His Flesh is True food and Blood True drink. ( John 6:53-55, Matthew 26:26), and not the fallible interpretations of men. God's Peace!
If Jesus actually meant that we must eat Him like cannibals, then that would mean that Jesus was breaking the law...
@@gabrielkinzel3389 Not at all, for Jesus Christ is the new Passover Lamb, ( John 1:29, 1 Corinthians 5:8), as and the Passover is not complete until the Passover Lamb is consumed, ( Exodus 12:8, John 6:53) God's Peace to you!
The only reason Sola Scriptura is confronted by the Catholic and Orthadox Church is because it removes authority from their Church and puts it back into the agreed written Word of God.
The church precedes the existence of the new Testament(even one word of it) by at least 20 years if not more. You believe in a church before scripture as well
@privatepyle2200 the church started in Genesis.. the church is the body of all believers that God provides the means of salvation.
@@privatepyle2200 no we don't. Old testament is scripture. Scripture is the final authority not church tradition. Do you not understand that?
@Thinking-Biblically the part where a church was quite literally functioning and propagating the gospel under the new covenant before even one word of the New Testament was written. The part where the understanding of New Testament was the blood and body of Christ, before there was again, even one word of New Testament scripture to uphold it. The old Testament prophecies and points to but in no way describes the doctrine that we as Christians live under. 20 years between Pentecost and the first book of the new Testament even being written, let alone available to mostly anyone within the community of believers. So who was running the ball in those decades before there even existed a Canon of new Testament scripture? Ah yes, a church was.
@@privatepyle2200 just like old testament saints with the scripture. Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him as righteousness. People were saved the same way. The old testament and the new same way of salvation. Scripture tells us how to be saved not we tell the scripture
Thank you for your work Brother White, it is much needed in this dark and dying world, full of deception and apostasy🙏🏼🕊
James White speaks for the cult of James White . It’s garbage . One Proof : does James White believe in tongues ??? Does James white BELIVE in literally laying hands on sick ???? Casting out demons . ??? Using cloth to heal people ??? No.. !!!! Calvin didn’t and neither did Luther . They don’t believe in literal scripture ??? It went away at apostles death ??? Who said ??? Is it in bible ??? Is Trinity in bible ??? Martin Luther didn’t want book of James and revelation in bible !!!!
My contention is simply this. Even if Jesus and the Apostles promoted tradition, it would be asinine to believe that the traditions that they passed on would contradict their writings. That would make them hypocritical and we would have no infallible source to trust. So the best source we have is what is written and based on what is written we can surmise what the traditions that the Apostles and/or Jesus would have passed on. The scripture is the only thing referred to as God-breathed.
Tradition is ok. But in 2000 years they have too much time to add and change tradition.
@@hubertagamasu6283 I think there can be valuable information that isn't in the bible. These traditions or beliefs can be valuable, but I think there is a big difference between looking at what the very early church fathers said compared to what a church father said 1500 years later that isn't confirmed by scripture or early church writings or that even contradicts early church writings or scripture. For example, neither in the bible nor in the early church fathers, lets say before 250 AD, they were not praying to Mary nor elevating her closer and closer to divinity. I mean if the pope wants to bless couples that he shouldn't... how much time needs to pass before it becomes tradition, even though it wasn't a tradition for 2000 years.
I don't see any tradition that Catholics practice contradicts the apostles or scripture.
@@adam9817 1. Petitioning dead saints goes against scripture and we find no examples of Jesus or the Apostles doing any such acts.
2. Holding Mary up as a perpetual virgin, when scriptures say that Joseph did not consummate his marriage with Mary UNTIL she gave birth to her first born son, Jesus. (Matthew 1:24-25).
3. Requiring priest to remain celibate. There is nothing in scripture that says priest must remain celibate. As a matter of fact, the requirements were that he must be the husband of one wife. Celibacy was desired but not required.
4. Requiring the sacraments as a condition of salvation.
These just a few.
@@icemanred none of that is biblical...
I believe that some Catholics are saved. Only the ones that don’t really understand all of Rome’s dogmas.
Thank you for clarity and common sense!
James white is everything but clarity and common sense!
@@catholicbiblemansaint9385 I HAVE eternal life.
you have PROBATIONARY life.
Good luck with that.
@@ibelieveitcauseiseentit9630 But you might lose eternal life if you don't stay on the grace of God.
@@catholicbiblemansaint9385that’s the point he’s making you’re on probation for your salvation and we’re free 🙏🏽
Dude just straight up told Staples he had so many errors in such a short amount of time.
that dude was me. Kindly look at my channel. :)
That was pretty funny.
@@angramp3430 glad you enjoyed that. I wasn't trying to be funny. I have a video dropping in a half-hour that explains how Trent Horn backs up Sola Scriptura is taught in Mark 7.
@@angramp3430 here it is ua-cam.com/video/mBbFQtgSt5o/v-deo.html
Jesus started Catholic church. Fact.
I love Hearing your Teachings/Preaching Dr.James White it's truly a blessing
People watch this guy unironically?
Dr White is trying to turn the table over. Changing the error into truth.
Why are we involving this Dr White into this podcast..
I've been wanting to become Catholic but I'm not sure I can justify it due to the added things.
i wanted to become protestant but couldnt justify the removed things
Before you do anything get a book by Charles Chiniquy called "50 years in the Church of Rome", read it, and with Gods help it will help you make a decision
Become Anglican or Lutheran then.
@@brigadierharsh1948 that's crazy. I'm literally attending a LCMS church this Sunday.
@@BibleLovingLutheran LCMS is a great denomination. Many faithful, smaller Lutheran denominations out there as well. Heck, contrary to what might seem obvious, even the ELCA isn’t as bad as everyone seems to think from the outside.
I agree that Catholics often use very bad arguments against sola scriptura (and misrepresent it all the time), but the guy calling into the show was not exactly informed himself. That arrogant confidence is so obnoxious and does not help anyone.
Well call them (Catholic answers) up and show him how to do it (set them straight). Or have you already?
We have a church that says its the true church but DENIES BLATANTLY the WORD OF GOD that they claim to revere to be indeed God's word.
THEYRE literally saying the SCRIPTURE is not enough, God's word is not enough, God's inspired work through the apostles is not enough.
The audacity to deny God and claim to be the church of God. This god they serve is surely not the God of the Sola Scriptura
I listen to James White often but I have to say that he can take a long time with many words to make a point
That's the nature of a podcast
Ye it’s not meant to be quick short videos, it’s a podcast
The fact that reason for obeying is Moses' Seat, seems to point to Scripture also. Moses represents the law and thus also (at times) the Old Testament Scriptures as a whole.
Is there a good website that goes over the traditions? Tim sure looked defensive in this video btw.
@Super Genius I agree that Trent is very defensive but referring to your debate opponent as “my opponent” is hardly out of the ordinary.
@Super Genius Not necessarily, pretty sure Dr White has done this many times himself.
@Super Genius It’s just a debate thing. Trent has no reason to be rude.
@Super Genius Ah yes, his seething anger must have prompted the highly emotional response of following a long-standing debate norm of referring to someone as “my opponent.” If that is the sort of questions you are asking, then it is no wonder that you aren’t getting answers. I’m not catholic, but it is essentially a demonstrated fact that White is wrong about church polity. I’ve never heard a meaningful reformed baptist account as to what the purpose of the sacraments are, but does that really mean anything to you?
And in other news, the Pope now declares civil unions between gay people...acceptable. This is what tradition that is not under the Bible does.
Well said
Hey, retro. Just wanted to let you know I was the caller here.
Rome is like the one serious organization of Christians that hasn’t changed on this in some way.
Have you ever read "the Psalter of the blessed Virgin" by St Bonaventure, it is real blasphemy, and Rome condones this type of thing.
Tim Staples: “Jesus only condemned tradition that contradicted the Scripture.”
Protestants: Uh yeah that’s kinda our point too.
I used to believe in sola scriptura. Of course relying on it as my final authority. Then I started to read the bible and it pointed to the Catholic Church as the final authority. Then I converted. God started a Church on the Rock... There can only be "one truth "
1 Timothy 3:15 New International Version (NIV)
if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.
Logically speaking... If the Greek word, "ADELPHOI" means COUSIN, then, why translate it in English Text as "BROTHER" instead of COUSIN if that was what truly meant? ... WHY?... because that was not Biblically TRUTH... Amen.
The book, the Two Babylons totally destroys the Catholic Church by showing how all their traditions come from pagan religions that back track all the way to Babylon.
Absolutely!!!!! That includes Christmas and Easter and Valentine's Day in mardi gras.
@@missaleromanum5614
The date is a pagan worship day. The tree is a pagan bal and the Grove symbo of their worship and the term christ mass is Roman catholic.
No one knows the date of Jesus birthday.
@@missaleromanum5614
Go ahead. Get your christ mass tree. Celebrate all you want. Nothing changes what it is and where it can't from. You put a pagan symbol on a pagan holiday with a Roman Catholic name and you call it good because of how you view it in your mind.
Israelites thought they were doing a good thing by bringing the pagan symbols in as well. That didn't work out so well.
The beast is coming. Now you know why.
@@missaleromanum5614
No. It goes back to baal and the Grove worship in the Bible. It's definitely pagan.
Constantine combined the pagan festival with Christianity. He did it to ease tension among the people.
@@missaleromanum5614
It does.there is no Christmas trees in the Bible.
Communion , and baptism are traditions established by Christ himself for the church that can be scripturally verified as coming from God.
Considerate husband, let his wife and daughter have this important conversation and just watched over them like a body guard. Didn't interrupt and fight and try to sweep in and take up the seed which was planted like a bird, instead just let you do your thing and then gave a thumbs up, almost like he was approving of what you had done.
What it says in 2 Thessalonians 2:15 for the Catholic to defend their practices and Doctrine and is sure on Traditions that are never mentioned in any of Paul's epistles. How can they believe Paul? Or give a meaningful answer with Paul's letter to the Colossians in Chapter 1:23-25 where he says he has completed his ministry in fulfilling the Word of God. Verse 26 is to the saints because God has blinded the proud and prudent
Does anyone know if James White has a channel he post regularly on?❤
What does Tim Staples claim is tradition ? Torah tradition or Catholic tradition ?
Apostolic tradition. Tradition of the church that was established by Christ. Without which you wouldn’t have scripture to attack the Catholic Church. Ironic
@@filipkarwowski6510 the word changes depending on needs and context. Unique Catholic dogmas can't be traced to any legitmate tradition going back to the apostles. So not really apostolic at all. The only place we have God's infallible word today is in Scripture.
@@geoffrobinson you really don’t know the church fathers and their writings do you? Beyond that, Christ’s authority, the church is still here, ergo, for you to think scripture is the sole authority, you’d have to reject the very authority that collected the books of the bible and canonized them. Ironic
You're just dealing with tired Catholic apologetic tropes that lack historical grounding. Scripture is the only place today we have God's infallible word today. That's just the case of the matter.
//Beyond that, Christ’s authority, the church is still here, ergo, for you to think scripture is the sole authority, you’d have to reject the very authority that collected the books of the bible and canonized them. Ironic//
Let's break down how bad your argument is. First, we have the historical fact that the Jews were able to recognize Scripture without an infallible Magisterium. Secondly, that Rome didn't infallibly define her own canon until 1546. These two things combined completely shred your argument.
Unless of course your arguing for us to become Orthodox Jews or something but that would involve a consistency I've never seen from a Catholic apologist. Arguments aren't crafted but picked to achieve a pre-determined end. Don't worry about consistency.
But then you assume that the church of today has the same authority as the church that recognized what was Scripture so many centuries ago. OK. Well, we can see that Rome has diverged from traditional Catholicism, let alone all its heretical divergences from Scripture. So if that's the case, you establish so much.
Anyone with an iota of awareness can see through these arguments.
@@geoffrobinson Love God and Love your neighbor. If you can do just that your religion would come in second.
Can you possibly link the debates you reference here? I’d love to check em out although I don’t know where to look.
Just search “James white debate” on UA-cam.
James White pretending he knows what other Catholics actually believe, lol that’s rich. Richer still when he claims that even priests don’t believe it… He’s atrociously wrong on that front. And unfortunately he has his own set of “de fide” beliefs, such as double predestination. In other words, God condemns some to hell before they’ve ever had the chance to be born and live on earth. Please don’t get it twisted folks, White isn’t just “another Protestant” he’s a Calvinist as well. And Protestantism is built on the spirit of division, and not of unity. What most of you miss the mark on is that Jesus did NOT leave a set of scriptures behind, as did Moses. Moses did indeed write down scripture for the people of God. But this is why we know in the NT there were disagreements among the Jews about the afterlife or even the cannon of scripture, some believing that scripture only consisted of the Torah, the mosaic books. Christ went a different direction and left behind a Church, with his authority to discern his teachings and share His Gospel and Grace to the world. And inevitably, the question that Protestantism can’t answer (and certainly not James White), is who or what had the final say as to what is the cannon of scripture. Anyone who knows even some of the history of how the Bible came to be, knows there was much discussion on the matter. And it’s cute to say “Holy Spirit guided me to the Truth.” But again, the spirit of division is so awesome in Protestantism that it cannot conclusively agree on who is ultimately correct, and who has correctly discerned what Holy Spirit is communicating, even apparently that “same” Holy Spirit has told each individual leader of a denomination, a uniquely different answer. There are no real answers to behold apparently, because each individual has the ability to discern “correctly” even when the answers are never in agreement.
@@jmisssjb05 you haven’t been listening. He says “what the Catholic Church teaches”, or, “what Rome teaches”. He nearly ALWAYS acknowledges that contemporary Catholic belief sets, run the gamut. Roman Catholics are people - not a monolith or Borg.
@@jmisssjb05 and, nobody is going to read a 4” post, except other Catholics who won’t actually watch the video, and are angry.
@@jmisssjb05 the crazy part is he addressed Tim staples and didn’t put “live answer against catholic/catholic church on sola scriptura” many Catholics do this to Protestants but he didn’t he corrected him staples himself.
Unfortunately Mr. Staples has a tendency to misquote scripture. The last one I heard was a few months back when Tim attributes a quote by James as having been said by Peter. Basically claiming that in Acts 15 “Peter” says, to those gathered to discuss the Gentile believers, “Hearken unto me” (KJV) as evidence that “Pope Peter” was making the final decision regarding the issue, when it was in fact James who it can be argued was in charge, at least at the church in Jerusalem. You are right-on with your assessment of Staples ‘SHOCK AND AWE’ method of “teaching”. Most Catholics don’t really care enough to look into it for themselves.
quote; Most Catholics don’t really care enough to look into it for themselves.
Really? Well here's a Catholic who has looked into it. We can discuss the Jerusalem Council if you would like.
@@jzak5723 My apologies. I was referring to Tim Staples errors in his quoting of scripture. That's what I find most Catholics do not really care to look into. They'll accept what he says at face value and don't bother to confirm what he's saying is true or accurate. I know many Catholics who read and study scripture. Sorry for the confusion. God bless.
@@gomezjkv
No problem at all. God Bless!
Why don't you expect the typology of Moses and Christ, the same transmission of the oral traditions are kept today, why change suddenly and go agaisnt the authority?
I want a debate between James White and Jay Dyer
Are you talking about the UA-cam guy - the comedian who talks about Hollywood?
The Seat Of Moses seems to be an obedient application of divine ordinances, but it doesn't seem to be a divine ordinance. Rome are very blasphemous and anti-Christ and anti-Gospel, so any argument about the specific wrongful traditions of the rabbis would also apply well to Romanism, which is how the passage of Scripture applies as an admonition for our benefit.
When the devil tempted jesus in the forest the "infallible authorities" were nowhere to be found
Lol say what??? What has that has to do with "sola scripture"??
During first AD there was new testament down in scrolls?? And each apostles carried all the scrolls to all the cities while they were preaching Christ massage??
@@francisgomes9976 Jesus used the Jewish scriptures against the devil, our old testament. Do you think Jesus knew the 255 roman dogmas?
@@michael7144 why are you running in circles?? I'm talking about the whole bible not just old testament. During first A.D early apostles days was the scriptures already written down?? You protestant claims "sola scripture" so my question is was the whole bible canonized right after Christ resurrection?? Or even all the books and letters of the first testament were written at the same time and by same author??
@@francisgomes9976 Nobody is running in circles except you.
Do you know what a strawman argument is?
You are asking me a question to prove something about a point that I never made. Roman's need an interpreter, which is ironic since that's the point I was making, and here you are, going in circles. I have a book recommendation for you on this topic, its called "the question of canon" by Michael j kruger, you might need an interpreter but it will answer your stupid questions.
Jesus was not condemning tradition of Korban. Jesus was condemning the misapplication of korban which denied parents assistance. This misapplication is the traditions of man. Jesus was not condemning all traditions.
"tradition is fine if it doesn't contradict Scripture"
thats what we're saying lol
The issue is their idea of non-contradiction is if they can establish it on a toothpick in scripture then it non-contradicts.
Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Proverbs 30:6
Glad james white watches catholic answers. Maybe one day he’ll come to a full knowledge of the truth in the church. The early church fathers speak and teack contrary to many of the man made Calvanist doctrines.
For all you protestants out there…. What is the true church that Jesus founded.? Upon this rock I will build my CHURCH.?
What is Church?
@@rohan7224
No.
Jesus build his church on himself.Jesus is the Rock..!!
Yes Jesus is the head of his church. But now that hes in heaven he left the “keys of the kingdom” to Peter. When a king leaves his keys to someone he leaves his kingdom and authority with that individual. Also gave them authority to “bind and loose.”
The rock is Jesus, not Peter. Eph 5:23 NKJV -
23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body.
I came from a roman Catholic background in Northern Ireland and was taught from an early age that the roman Catholic Church was the only true church. It wasn't until I started to read God's word for myself that I discovered so many problems with the interpretation that Rome puts on scripture. I was never encouraged to read God's word. All I had to do was accept the churches authority on matters of Doctrine. I remember as a young boy my brother and I used to go to midnight Mass at Christmas time. In those days, the mass was said in latin. I said to my brother I don't understand a word that man was saying, but he's the man of God, so I just blindly accepted it as the truth with no actual reference to what the word of God actually says in a language that I could understand. I now go to a reformed baptist church where the emphasis is put on the word of God, and you are taught in a language that you understand. I must say I have no bitterness towards roman Catholic people after all most of my family are roman catholics. But I do have a serious problem with some of the teachings of the roman Catholic Church. I remember talking to a young roman Catholic man one day, and he was quite adamant that the pope was the head of the church. I pointed him to Eph 5:23, and his response was, well obviously the bible is wrong then." I find that very sad. My prayer is that Catholic people will have a greater desire to read and search the bible for themselves because it is the only source of truth. We must take the attitude that the Bereans did in the apostle Paul’s time, Acts 17:11 - Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. True Christianity is based on what the word of God says not the word of man.
Jesus had a problem with the traditions trumping the word of God. I used to be a member of a church that traditionally takes the Lord's Supper every Sunday but that's not anything that's in contradiction with the written word of God. There's nothing wrong with keeping a tradition of faith and obedience to the word of God and, in fact, it is desirable.
Jesus said, "Call no man your father upon the earth, for one is your Father, which is in heaven." He's speaking about religious titles in this context and not about your daddy. A tradition that would be in conflict with that commandment would be an example of something Jesus would object to.
2 John 9 - Whosoever transgresseth (i.e. goes beyond) and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ hath not God. He that abideth by the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
So, as long as the tradition does not violate prior revelation (all scripture is given by inspiration of God, don't forget) then there's nothing wrong with it.
wow amazing
Dr. White, was that you that called into Catholic answers? sounded a little like you.🤣
In De Festis Pope Benedict XIV wrote that the belief of the Assumption of Mary is a "probable opinion"... and it's still a dogma?
39:38 "...heavily medicated" 😂
In the old folks' home!
Awesome teaching thanks brother , I always reiterate that certain men crept in right at the beginning so what about 1 thousand years later.
@R Treadwell St Paul warns the church of different teachings being brought in .
As the early church were Jews and gentiles the Jews adhered to the Talmud .
Abiding by Old Testament levitical laws was the means of justification.
The individuals St. Paul talks about in Jude are the gentiles who preach faith alone yet produce no works they have a dead faith .
And here’s the issue of those preaching the law as I stated in the beginning
Colossians 2:8
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Jude 1:4 the sola fida alone with no works illustrated below.
New International Version
For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.
Ok so did the church fall away? And then Martin Luther rediscovered the true gospel of faith alone that was lost ? Why did God allow the church to lose the gospel if He said He would never leave the church and would lead you into all truth, would be a contradiction. You end up proving too much by your argument
If you didn't stop pause and explain I'd be so confused 😂
James White, he is really talking nonsense here. The correct interpretation of Tradition according to Catholicism is undisputed. But hey! What about Mary? Did the Christians to whom Paul wrote the letters believe in the dogma of Mary? Better still --DID THE EARLY CHRISTIANS TAUGHT WHAT CALVIN TAUGHT?
I listened to James White Vs Patrick Madrid on Solos Scriptures I must say Madrid made a better case. And I have no horse in the race
Madrid cleaned James White Clock in that debate like every Catholic has cleaned his J Whites clock
Madrid dominated White!!!
@@johnyang1420 I doubt it
WOW! Even you Mr White, are trying so hard to pass down a "TRADITION" here Sir. So, let just imagine for a moment that your Oral teaching is Divine like Moses, and Binding like Moses. Does that mean like Moses you are also wrong?
I respect your work Mr White, but all I see here is a man, passing on what he thinks is the right tradition on how to interpret the word of GOD and it sounds like your are contradicting yourself.
"...especially most Roman Catholics. Most Roman Catholics are not grabbin' a bible program and checking that stuff out. There're a few, but the vast majority, 'eh, he said it, that sounds good.' That's just how it works."
Once again, James's expertise in Straw Man creation comes to the forefront. Newsflash: this is a human problem. Protestant laity are not magically smarter or more educated or do better exegesis than Catholics. There is no evidence to support this, and in fact the very premise of this argument undermines Protestantism as a whole.
Comparing Roman Catholic laity to educated Protestants is, by definition, a Straw Man. And the argument here undoes itself -- if Protestants were naturally better at studying Holy Scripture than were Catholics, then there would be some sort of consensus among Protestants regarding theological basics. There is not, and that evidence speaks for itself.
Please look up the definition of a straw man
@@BRNRDNCK you better do it for me so that you can fully show me where I’m wrong.
He then went on to talk about how some fundamental Protestants got blown out in a debate with Catholics. If u listen to him enough he constantly talks about how Protestants, Catholics, Mormons, etc don’t know there on doctrine like they did in the past. It’s not James white calling out Catholics specifically he does it with other groups(including his own) all the time
I didn't watch the whole video, to be honest. So I don't know where James White is coming from. But I somehow came to the same conclusion based on my personal experiences. I think the protestant laity know their scriptures better than the Catholic laity do. I live in India. Once, I shifted to new place and was not aware where I can find a church that agrees with the same core doctrines as I do, so I went to a nearby Catholic church in the first week. To my surprise, only a very few of those in congregation carried their Bibles. I barely got any need to open up my Bible & refer. I had a friendly debate with a young catholic of my age after the service was over. What I observed from my Catholic friends was that they rarely open up their Bibles to read it for themselves. I don't know if it's because I never got to encounter a devout Catholic in my life or Catholics are by & large like that. But to give credit where it's due, I think Catholic laity are more familiar with the church history than the protestant laity.
@@sumanthpaul7724 not carrying a bible to Mass is in no way an indicator of biblical literacy, as it misunderstands the entire purpose of Mass (or the Divine Liturgy in the East).
Regarding biblical literacy in general...maybe? But several polls have thrown serious doubt on Protestant understanding of Christianity in the last few years, with even large numbers of pastors not having a Trinitarian understanding (fun fact: even James White has admitted this).
Why then listen to fallible Protestant and unnecessary Protestant Pastors like James White, when we have the infallible Holy Scriptures? Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink!
@@matthewbroderick6287 you are obsessed my guy.
@countryboyred yes, I am obsessed with Truth my friend! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink!
The way James White reads passages from the Bible is scandalous! This is the Word of God! You can’t read passages that are not of your interest at the moment like bla, bla, bla... 😧
The Catholic church take all of sacred scripture, and throws it all out altogether saying its not enough.
I may know a reason why this man went out from the Southern baptist and went catholic, not because he wanted God, but because of the licentious lifestyle being a catholic gives you. Youre free to do what you want.
That’s ridiculous. Catholicism is know for it’s strict morality, after all, the whole issue people take with Rome is their “works based salvation.” People cease being southern Baptists because it isn’t an intellectually stimulating tradition.
"And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth." [Rev. 11:3, ESV].
The Papists deny the authority of God's "two witnesses".
@Darrel Warjri Why would I check out an apostate/heretic who denies two of the fundamental truths of God's revelation?
@Darren Darren, you're such a Karen.
@@khasichristian6410 Sola Scriptura is a authority claim, not a doctrinal claim. And faith alone was taught by Paul in the new testament, Of course it was taught by the early church.
Think God for creating the Roman Catholic Church so that true believers could see what false belief and idolatry is. God creates the wicked so that his children could know what it looks like and stay away from it.
Billy, God DID NOT create the Roman Catholic Church. Satan created the Roman Catholic church.
@@linda2468lou
God-created everything.
@@billyr9162 Linda has now been transformed into a Karen.
@@tyd3407
Who ever she is she sure thinks highly of satan.
God is all good and no wickedness can come from God. you protestants are laughable.
Watch the Trent Horn debate with James. It had me running to the catholic church.
Not to Jesus...
Sounds about right. Running to a man-made organization and not to Christ Jesus Himself who is wholly sufficient.
Yet the Lord Jesus did say that they “sit in the seat (magisterium) of Moses” and therefore do all that they say. I don’t think Mr White’s position handles this very well. It still allows the Catholic Church to be authoritative, even if not infallible.
The definitive debate on this was James White vs. Patrick Madrid. Patrick put the nails in the coffin for Sola Scriptura. It wasn't even close.
Tim Staples sounds like a used car salesman.
It's funny how he just skips over the office of bishopric but besides that and the specific written letter and oral message in Acts 15 and a "mandate" that must be given by the Church let's look at Mark 7
Mark 7... keep reading..as for most protestant claims.. as Tim Staples eludes to, do not allow them to cherry pick scripture.. white also knows he is leaving this part out so that he doesn't have to come up w another personal interpretation of how he can deny this part of scripture also.
9 And he said to them: Well do you make void the commandment of God, that you may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said: Honour thy father and thy mother; and He that shall curse father or mother, dying let him die.
11 But you say: If a man shall say to his father or mother, Corban, (which is a gift,) whatsoever is from me, shall profit thee.
12 And further you suffer him not to do any thing for his father or mother,
13 Making void the word of God by your own tradition, which you have given forth. And many other such like things you do.
14 And calling again the multitude unto him, he said to them: Hear ye me all, and understand.
15 There is nothing from without a man that entering into him, can defile him. But the things which come from a man, those are they that defile a man.
Jesus went after the Pharisees because they were Twisting scripture and tradition by not honoring their father and mother and denying them the care they were obligated to show them.. why else would he go from their evil to "honor your father and mother". White knows this and that is why he stopped reading the full scripture
The only Tradition that is found everywhere and always in the Christian Churches is Holy Scripture which is the very definition of Catholic. Psalm 119:2 In Thy Word I trust.
Not to mention the Scripture is literally the inscripturation of the oral tradition.
@@ethanstrunk7698 Yup. The last will and testament of the Apostles. Peace.
@@jamessheffield4173 Peace to you as well.
@@ethanstrunk7698 And with thy spirit. Traditional Anglican response.
Regarding 2Tim@-17, i noticed Prots stress the qualifiers attributed to the man of God ("complete" and "fully" and "every") but fail to stress the qualifer attributed to Scripture which is "All".
The qualifier "All" leaves open the possibility of other things being inspired of God. Stressing the qualities of the man of God does not teach Sola Scriptura.
Let me give you an example: All military documents and manuals are useful/profiitable for making a soldier complete, fully equiped for every military duty.
The above does not mean Sola Manual. Soldiers need Military leadership, training, battle field Intel and much more.
Prot's only source of Truth is Scripture and yet they don't even understand basic grammatical logic.
2 Pet @
"as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures."
39:37 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Man I cannot stand listening to your bike-ride stories anymore. Get to the point!
Whoever, actually, reads through The bible can't possibly subscribe to the freewill nonsense.
"If you WISH to enter into life, then keep the commandments ", ( Matthew 19:17) "CHOOSE LIFE, keep the commandments", ( Deuteronomy 30:19). Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is True food and Blood True drink
@@matthewbroderick8756 Romans 3 would like to have a word with you.
Sola Scriptura is taught nowhere in Scripture. Therefore the concept is false by its own standards.
I’m really confused, can someone help. Aren’t our scriptures just oral traditions written down and codified?
You are correct but protestants here wouldn’t touch that question without going into circular arguments.
@@nerdherd7138 Which of Paul's epistles is an oral tradition?
Nicholas Brainard Paul says in 2 Thessalonians 2:15
So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter. Hes very clearly for traditions that come from him and other apostles, which in turn come from God.
@@BRNRDNCK is Luke like (arguably the other gospels) not just collecting oral traditions about Jesus? 1 Corinth 15 quotes an oral tradition that forms the earliest creed?
@@nerdherd7138 Actually, he told them to hold on to what had already been passed down, not WHATEVER tradition ANYBODY ANYTIME in history receives. The Catholic reading of that is just insane.
i recommend everyone to see the debate between White and Tim Staples... hope you see how White fails on this SS.
James White is just a guy with an opinion on the bible. Only the Catholic church has the authority from Jesus. Big difference. Jesus started the Catholic church in 33ad. Protestant churches started by men.
Jesus > men.
You must be really unsure of your catholicism, based on the sheer amount of comments that you write.
If the catholic church only has authority, why does Paul tell us to check what the preacher is telling you yourself?
Why does it say that the holy spirit gives us all the understanding we need?
All scripture is God breathed, so why does catholic teaching contradict the Bible?
The Bible > the catholic church
@@Bob-wr1md Actually, I'm supremely confident in my Catholicism. I just try to help people out. Jesus started the Catholic church. Jesus made Peter the first pope. I didn't set it up this way....I just follow Jesus plan. No Catholic doctrine contradicts the bible because the Catholic church canonized the NT in 392ad. There is no salvation outside the Catholic church. The soul you save could be your own. Protestants go to a man made church. Google it.
@@johnyang1420 Nah, your arguments don't impress me.
Peter wasn't the first pope, because he was married and he was criticized for being a hypocrite by Paul.
In the new testament, there already was division among the church, based on popularity, so if Peter was the pope, how would that make sense?
The concept of the pope is nowhere found in scripture.
Praying to saints is heresy.
Claiming your denomination is the only one to salvation is a characteristic of a cult.
The catholic church doesn't even want anyone reading the Bible on their own, that's why they tried to kill people who wanted to translate it.
The protestants are not a man made church, because your definition of church is completely wrong. Church isn't an institution, but a place where people come together, to worship God and are under elders and pastors.
The catholic church is corrupt.
The catholic church systemically enables sexual child abuse and protects pedophiles.
The catchism was changed multiple times, if the pope is infallible in terms of doctrine, how is that possible?
@@Bob-wr1md Matthew 16:13-19. Which church do you go to?
When Tim Staples defends Mary being a perpetual virgin, sinless, her immaculate conception and her assumption into Heaven and not dying... Tim literally foams at the mouth.
Oh the things someone could say about "dr." whites physical characteristics and cringey mannerisms...
@@tyd3407 lol
In every conceivable way possible Reformed Theology is completely outside Traditional Christianity. While the basic concept of Sola Scriptura is true Reformed Theology has proven itself incapable of understanding a single thing that is taught in the Bible. Sola Scriptura as a driving concept has its place. Unfortunately, the RCC, and the Orthodox Church, have fallen into their own traps; just not as badly as Reformed Theology did.
Yeah......... Nah.
@Die Titten Deines Vaters Being a native german speaker I'm pretty confused about your choice regarding your username.
@Die Titten Deines Vaters my sarcasm makes obama look white ^^.
My confusion is due to seeing this on a Christian channel :)
What I find hilarious is Merkle's communist party calling themselves Christian Democrats.
@@JohnQPublic11 seems like black humor right there.
James white missing the forest for the trees again, lol. But I'm glad he knows how to dismantle catholic claims quite well like he does here.
Why do you say this? One sentence negates the other sentence.
@@linda2468lou because his own Baptist tradition undermines the commandments of God in its own way.
pray for james white. he will be catholic one day. hopefully its before he dies
Yes,we will for him
@@MsChi-bm8zx your pope Francis says it doesn’t matter
So you have to be catholic to Go to heaven?
3:50-4:00So tradition that contradicts scripture is a no no?
Ok cool so we can get rid of other intermediates besides Christ in the catholic tradition now (1 Tim 2:5)
David, you mean other intermediates like Peter and Paul, and their prayers and shadow and handkerchiefs? ( Acts 5:15, Acts 9:38,40, Acts 19:11). You are in my prayers! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is True food and Blood True drink
Saving from phisical death is different than spiritual intercetion also these powers were God given
@@nateholmes2641 you should probably @ him. Not sure if he will see it
@@matthewbroderick8756 these powers weee God given . Please don’t try to contradict 1 Timothy 2:5. The church shouldn’t make dogma that contradicts scripture at all
We know the popes and their infallibility is nonsense due to past dogma that we now see as sin such as indulgences
I’m praying for you. Don’t contradict the word of God for man made doctrine . As Paul said in Galatians 1:8
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!
@@matthewbroderick8756
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is ONE God and ONE mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,
Notice, James White rests his entire argument on an apocryphal book (the Mishna) written by those who rejected the divinity of Christ, and reject every book of the new testament, to show that MAYBE the Jewish "magisterium" had the Korban rule in effect in the time of Jesus, 250 years prior.
Jesus condemned a tradition that contradicted the word of God. Amen. Jesus did not say, "The written word of God is all you should appeal to as an authority." Because then Jesus would be commanding his disciples to reject his own words, the oral word of God.
Catholics would agree that any tradition that exists should not be in contradiction with scripture because if it is, it is not the infallible word of God.
The Korban rule was not a matter of the divine oral tradition from Moses because if it was, then Jesus wouldn't condemn the practice. It was, rather, a practice that the elders held to against what was divinely revealed by God.
Sacred Scripture and Sacred tradition, with the living Holy Magisterium, are never in conflict, and they never have been. Any authorities in the Church's past who deviated from the truth of either the Tradition or Scripture are those we call Heretics. Plentiful examples all the way down to the early church.
The Catholic Church does not hold that the Tradition is "Supreme" over the Scripture. It holds that these two can never be in conflict because both are divine revelation that was passed down from the Apostles (or Apostolic men).
James, if you want to test everything by Scripture, you have to have an exact perfect interpretation of the entire Bible, and that would make you infallible. Since you wish to be your own Pope, show me your line of succession that leads back to Peter, then I can take your word for what Jesus is or isn't teaching.
white how will you face the lord after death.. you and the muslims are the same
The problem with
Sola Scriptura is Jesus picked 12 apostles
Isn't Calvinism a tradition of a man????