Desperately wish that developers are learning Live-Only games are not an effective way to increase player retention. Edit: clearly a misunderstanding is taking place in the comments. I did not say "Live-Service" I said "Live-Only." A game doesn't have to be Live-Only to be Live-Service, Live-Service just means it's actively getting updates and extending it's lifespan. A good example of this is No Man's Sky; you do not need an Internet connection to play No Man's Sky, however you'll lose the benefits of the "Live-Service" the game is providing via updates and in-game events. "Live-Only" is a game that, whether it's needed or not, can only be played with connection to the Internet. Halo Infinite, for no good reason, is at least a soft "Live-Only" game because your game will crash and bug out if you don't have an internet connection. An example of a "Live-Only" and "Live-Service" game, last I checked, was Destiny, which could be played offline with minimal changes to gameplay, but Bungie has decided to keep it "Live-Only" and retain the right to take away content from players at any time they choose with no alternatives. "Live-Only" games contribute to the "rental" aspect of video games, where if the servers are shut down the game is no longer playable even if there is gameplay beyond online play. This is a bad thing - in my eyes - with no "ifs," "ands," or "buts" about it. All of this to say my original comment was aimed at the video, and how it sucks that Speedrunners who want to enjoy the game as it was in a different patch are sometimes unable to because of arbitrary reasons, even though their payment of the game should include every version of that game.
I don't think that's the issue. Games are becoming exceedingly expensive to make. Tekken's creator said it cost just $350k just to make one stage. It's easy to assume that they're just greedy, however that's very unreasonable, as you have to look at all factors. Usually what would solve rising cost of production is automation, in this case it would be AI. However I'm sure you're aware on how well that's going so game developers are essentially damned if they do and damned if they don't. Unfortunately, not every game is a Nintendo game, or Elden Ring, or Helldivers. It's becoming increasingly apparent that the only way they can make a profit is through live service like elements. Sure they can stop paying their executives so much, but that's not how free market societies function. Of course we can just stop buying their games, but then people will lose their jobs, which would have happened anyways if game developers had started using AI. I think a good solution would be to stop making games so long and large. If they reduced the price of shorter games to $50, and increased the price of longer games to maybe $80, I think that would be a fair compromise.
The stage part clearly isn't real. Just look at tekken 8 stages, half are an empty arena with some background stuff and maybe a screen transition. If that value was real games like Elden ring or even smaller scale titles like Resident Evil or monster hunter would costs 100 trillion dollars. Tekken is one of the cheapest AAA fighters in the market(cost goes go up since kit allows for more content for the same price), reused animations from 7, characters share base models with tweeks, they are legit greedy, there is a reason why it got way more characters than sf6 and options for custom costumes.
@@GS_CCC Uh yeah no lol. A team of 8 people working on stage for 3-4 months who are all getting 60k+ a year, along with health care benefits and retirement reimbursement definitely can equate to 350k. Not to mention marketing, which you have to pay the marketing team, and also pay for advertising. There is no evidence Tekken is the cheapest fighting game out there, idk where you even got that from.
@@ilikestamps2978 read the comment. Its not the lower budget one, just that they can get more per dollar spent than a game like SF6. You get that by looking at how tekken is and comparing to the other ones, I'm not saying they are wrong, if anything its smarter to do things that way since it allows them to have way more content on launch at similar quality.
I think the industry is either having digital only growing or transitioning pains, or (in my opinion, more likely) death throws and halo infinite and ps5 pro "upgrades" and losing the ability to purchase and own literally anything is destroying whole industries, consoles specifically, and the corporate holes are still pushing hard against making games physical anymore, removing all control and purchasing power from the whole world. We need to push back because we will lose games if we just accept it and don't vote with our money
I don’t think you ever mentioned that 343 patched the tank gun glitch for about a month or two before adding it back in because players loved it so much
@@blu5021 you gotta find a canon in the first mission and pick it up look it up it’s pretty easy but if you miss it you got to start over cause you can’t go back to the area
If anyone actually wants to know the answer of the title without watching the whole thing. They developed some mods that lets you play on down-patched versions without needing to be offline. They also have some practice tools and auto splitter. and they started playing all missions, which is a much more fulfilling category
Would love to see a category for Infinite that allowed for skulls to be used, that aren't just IWHBYD and Grunt Birthday and not exclusive to the 100% category. Maybe I just wanna swing through fast and feel like Spider-Spartan while keeping track of my time
@@WaifuRuns I'll be honest, I have never completed a full LASO, let alone considered trying to speed run it. I just want to be able to turn on Bandana, crank up explosives, and have my run still be valid. Mind you, my time isn't anything to write home about (1:55:47 according to the in-game clock) it just kinda sucks that if I wanna keep track of my improvements there isn't a larger community to compare my times to.
@@WaifuRuns No skulls affecting gameplay may be active for the duration of the run. (IWHBYD and GBP are allowed) It's the same site I took the rules from as before, unless you're suggesting I request the creation of a new category, as none of the current ones fit what I would want as the skulls are banned in most categories.
Was a cool watch, and I'm always a sucker when speedrunning or history or how specifics mechanics work get explained and documented in a comprehensible format. It stays entertaining for people new to the game or franchise, but even veteran players/speedrunners can watch their little niche hobby get a bit of love instead of the "uh we just clip through walls, hurr hurr it's easy". Wholesome shoutouts too. Even though I've never played infinite, I've watched the runs and sometimes lurked the discussions in the discord but it's sweet to go have just that bit more of depth put on video. Cheers for this project!
That unflagged easter egg gun is such a common issue in games. A lot of devs copy and paste then edit things instead of just making it from scratch because they need to save time where they can. When i worked on WoW we constantly had bugs with certain flags being tied to or not applied to things that should/shouldnt have them. Even such simple stuff as "can swim" flags can cause so many issues
LOVE THE VIDEOS WAIFU please keep making such banger long Speedrun explanation videos, although please take care of yourself too this video must have been an insane amount of work to make and the underlying knowledge alone needed to explain all of this is impressive
16:18 It would help if there was also a sound cue for the grapple skip thing. People are usually gonna be watching near the center of the screen and never think to look for the icon, and others just won’t be watching at all
Sounds like the community was purposely killed off by devs afraid of players finding flaws in their game. Glad to see the community's getting a second wind, tho, solid video!
Not so much the devs, actually the higher ups though, during my gdq run many devs donated saying they faught to keep the glitches in but the higher ups said no.
Yeah the game engine and the online updates really broke the speedrunning glitches and all. It reminded me of that video you made last year when Capcom released an update for the RE4 glitches/shortcuts and it sparked a massive debate. But yeah mostly it was online connectivity. I think on par launch it was good but for now I haven’t speedrun in a while. I got that achievement for beating the campaign in under like 3 hours or something lol Still have yet to speedrun Halo 3 and 4.
Lol yall dont know dead games if you think halo infinite is dead. Ive never sat in queue for any mode for longer 3 minutes. I play some games were you only get matches if you join a community discord and coordinate with several times zones to get a NEARLY full lobby once a month
9:00 I'm fine with this but I'd rather the time from a perfect lights split was added automatically to livesplit when starting a run instead of removing the time entirely, like how it's done Sunshine
I wonder if any of infinites glitches would work on the previous Halo games it would be interesting to see if Bungie had already fixed the issues infinite struggles to handle back in 2001
Didn't they patch out the coil launch? I didn't watch the whole video yet, but Waifu said mods fixed this trash, but didn'tmention what they fixed. Did mods add back the coil launch?
The flight at about 57 min in is so confusing because you say they consider dropping the MAC cannon to take out flying elites easier, which would be totally understandable to consider doing that, except for the fact that he's playing the game on..... Easy mode.... I could get it for legendary because they'd have enough health to survive a splash damage shot in their vicinity, even heroic is understandable, but he's playing on easy, and complaining about enemy health and is supposed to be one of the best Halo players in the world but he's having trouble killing enemies with the most powerful weapon in a Halo game since Halo 2, and is actually considering dropping it for real so be can what, plasma pistol their shields then BR head shot them after instead of just getting good enough to aim at enemies? I am SO confused by this guy and the things you say he's doing on easy mode as if the entire game wasn't possible to play blindfolded on easy... Did he swap difficulties at some point and I just missed it? How is that weapon not the perfect weapon in the entire game for the entirety of every fight?
Because it has a very long recharge rate and the enemies in the arena are spread apart, it takes almost 3 seconds to shoot the tank gun. In that time if you had a commando you could headshot instant kill 4 or 5 skimmers. With a headshot weapon you can take out the fodder much faster than you could with the tank gun, tank gun is good for the elites and ghosts though.
The big difference there is that in half life 2 there are key pieces of speedrun tech that are both cool and interesting in both versions. That’s not the case in halo infinite, the new versions are just the same run but slower and less fun, there isn’t any unique tech or alternative strategies you are just forced to play the game normally instead. Which can be fun but can also just be done on old patch. And because it’s an always online game they are liable to patch the game again at any point removing any of the new stuff that is found. For example hard coils I talk about in this video was added in after the 6 month mark but then was removed later.
Do you even like this game? Everything "nice" you say about it always a backhanded complement and it's so obnoxious. If you were trying to sell me on why this speedrun's revival should be looked at positively you definitely failed.
If 343i wanted Halo Infinite to be so terrible that you COULDN'T speedrun it, why bother fighting that? There are other, better games to speedrun than ones the developers actively try to murder relentlessly.
Desperately wish that developers are learning Live-Only games are not an effective way to increase player retention.
Edit: clearly a misunderstanding is taking place in the comments. I did not say "Live-Service" I said "Live-Only." A game doesn't have to be Live-Only to be Live-Service, Live-Service just means it's actively getting updates and extending it's lifespan.
A good example of this is No Man's Sky; you do not need an Internet connection to play No Man's Sky, however you'll lose the benefits of the "Live-Service" the game is providing via updates and in-game events.
"Live-Only" is a game that, whether it's needed or not, can only be played with connection to the Internet. Halo Infinite, for no good reason, is at least a soft "Live-Only" game because your game will crash and bug out if you don't have an internet connection. An example of a "Live-Only" and "Live-Service" game, last I checked, was Destiny, which could be played offline with minimal changes to gameplay, but Bungie has decided to keep it "Live-Only" and retain the right to take away content from players at any time they choose with no alternatives.
"Live-Only" games contribute to the "rental" aspect of video games, where if the servers are shut down the game is no longer playable even if there is gameplay beyond online play. This is a bad thing - in my eyes - with no "ifs," "ands," or "buts" about it.
All of this to say my original comment was aimed at the video, and how it sucks that Speedrunners who want to enjoy the game as it was in a different patch are sometimes unable to because of arbitrary reasons, even though their payment of the game should include every version of that game.
I don't think that's the issue. Games are becoming exceedingly expensive to make. Tekken's creator said it cost just $350k just to make one stage. It's easy to assume that they're just greedy, however that's very unreasonable, as you have to look at all factors. Usually what would solve rising cost of production is automation, in this case it would be AI. However I'm sure you're aware on how well that's going so game developers are essentially damned if they do and damned if they don't. Unfortunately, not every game is a Nintendo game, or Elden Ring, or Helldivers. It's becoming increasingly apparent that the only way they can make a profit is through live service like elements. Sure they can stop paying their executives so much, but that's not how free market societies function. Of course we can just stop buying their games, but then people will lose their jobs, which would have happened anyways if game developers had started using AI. I think a good solution would be to stop making games so long and large. If they reduced the price of shorter games to $50, and increased the price of longer games to maybe $80, I think that would be a fair compromise.
The stage part clearly isn't real.
Just look at tekken 8 stages, half are an empty arena with some background stuff and maybe a screen transition.
If that value was real games like Elden ring or even smaller scale titles like Resident Evil or monster hunter would costs 100 trillion dollars.
Tekken is one of the cheapest AAA fighters in the market(cost goes go up since kit allows for more content for the same price), reused animations from 7, characters share base models with tweeks, they are legit greedy, there is a reason why it got way more characters than sf6 and options for custom costumes.
@@GS_CCC Uh yeah no lol. A team of 8 people working on stage for 3-4 months who are all getting 60k+ a year, along with health care benefits and retirement reimbursement definitely can equate to 350k. Not to mention marketing, which you have to pay the marketing team, and also pay for advertising. There is no evidence Tekken is the cheapest fighting game out there, idk where you even got that from.
@@ilikestamps2978 read the comment.
Its not the lower budget one, just that they can get more per dollar spent than a game like SF6.
You get that by looking at how tekken is and comparing to the other ones, I'm not saying they are wrong, if anything its smarter to do things that way since it allows them to have way more content on launch at similar quality.
I think the industry is either having digital only growing or transitioning pains, or (in my opinion, more likely) death throws and halo infinite and ps5 pro "upgrades" and losing the ability to purchase and own literally anything is destroying whole industries, consoles specifically, and the corporate holes are still pushing hard against making games physical anymore, removing all control and purchasing power from the whole world. We need to push back because we will lose games if we just accept it and don't vote with our money
I don’t think you ever mentioned that 343 patched the tank gun glitch for about a month or two before adding it back in because players loved it so much
even though its overpowered it makes playing legendary much more possible lol
@@Jorda5show do you do it
@@blu5021 you gotta find a canon in the first mission and pick it up look it up it’s pretty easy but if you miss it you got to start over cause you can’t go back to the area
If anyone actually wants to know the answer of the title without watching the whole thing. They developed some mods that lets you play on down-patched versions without needing to be offline. They also have some practice tools and auto splitter. and they started playing all missions, which is a much more fulfilling category
Thanks buddy
that respawn timer countdown transition near the start tickled me in ways no human could. bravo sir
"He then rides the elevator while maintaining eye contact with your mum for as long as possible" WHAT A LINE! 🤣🤣🤣
You know what isn't dead?
Waifu's channel. Glad you cooked up a nice new video for us again!
Thanks I’m working on it! Live has been busy but expect more from me soon
UA-camr doesn't say game X is dead - Challenge IMPOSSIBLE!!
Infinite is pretty dead compared to launch
Halo is actually dead though
Would love to see a category for Infinite that allowed for skulls to be used, that aren't just IWHBYD and Grunt Birthday and not exclusive to the 100% category. Maybe I just wanna swing through fast and feel like Spider-Spartan while keeping track of my time
Dyse was running LASO at one point it looked cool
@@WaifuRuns I'll be honest, I have never completed a full LASO, let alone considered trying to speed run it. I just want to be able to turn on Bandana, crank up explosives, and have my run still be valid. Mind you, my time isn't anything to write home about (1:55:47 according to the in-game clock) it just kinda sucks that if I wanna keep track of my improvements there isn't a larger community to compare my times to.
Haloruns.com
@@WaifuRuns No skulls affecting gameplay may be active for the duration of the run. (IWHBYD and GBP are allowed)
It's the same site I took the rules from as before, unless you're suggesting I request the creation of a new category, as none of the current ones fit what I would want as the skulls are banned in most categories.
@@Vorancesounds like a fun run tbh
My man talking about himself in the 3rd person.
Nice video though btw, the editing is really on point
Was a cool watch, and I'm always a sucker when speedrunning or history or how specifics mechanics work get explained and documented in a comprehensible format. It stays entertaining for people new to the game or franchise, but even veteran players/speedrunners can watch their little niche hobby get a bit of love instead of the "uh we just clip through walls, hurr hurr it's easy".
Wholesome shoutouts too. Even though I've never played infinite, I've watched the runs and sometimes lurked the discussions in the discord but it's sweet to go have just that bit more of depth put on video. Cheers for this project!
This was super fun to watch. Love the jokes and the commentary through out.
Just another reason why Infinite’s Campaign should actually be on the disc
That unflagged easter egg gun is such a common issue in games. A lot of devs copy and paste then edit things instead of just making it from scratch because they need to save time where they can. When i worked on WoW we constantly had bugs with certain flags being tied to or not applied to things that should/shouldnt have them. Even such simple stuff as "can swim" flags can cause so many issues
Never was a Halo fan, but really enjoyed the video and seeing the sheer skill that is required to complete a run. Kudos to the whole community.
LOVE THE VIDEOS WAIFU please keep making such banger long Speedrun explanation videos, although please take care of yourself too this video must have been an insane amount of work to make and the underlying knowledge alone needed to explain all of this is impressive
I got a sub hour time after the game first launched. I don't speedrun, I only did the run because it was so easy. This one looks crazy
16:18 It would help if there was also a sound cue for the grapple skip thing. People are usually gonna be watching near the center of the screen and never think to look for the icon, and others just won’t be watching at all
Great effort out of this video, thanks bro
Sounds like the community was purposely killed off by devs afraid of players finding flaws in their game.
Glad to see the community's getting a second wind, tho, solid video!
Not so much the devs, actually the higher ups though, during my gdq run many devs donated saying they faught to keep the glitches in but the higher ups said no.
Halo Studios heard this video was coming out and changed their name.
This is very well made, how does this not have more likes?
I know it tales a long time to make these videos but if you uploaded one every week i would watch them all.
I remember finding you for the first time while you were just starting Halo Infinite so its crazy to see this video now.
Referring to yourself in the third person sounds a bit strange, it took me a long time to realize that you meant yourself
I like that it keeps the documentary-style presentation of information and doesn't make the videos a "Look at me, aren't I great?" thing.
This is the goal
The frogarchrist guy carried
Lore accurate chief movement
Yeah the game engine and the online updates really broke the speedrunning glitches and all. It reminded me of that video you made last year when Capcom released an update for the RE4 glitches/shortcuts and it sparked a massive debate. But yeah mostly it was online connectivity. I think on par launch it was good but for now I haven’t speedrun in a while. I got that achievement for beating the campaign in under like 3 hours or something lol
Still have yet to speedrun Halo 3 and 4.
I'm going to buy this and beat this with my dad, me and him beat every halo game (except 5 for reasons) which is pretty cool to say
new main channel video LETS GOOOO🔥🔥🔥🔥 let bro cook
He slides about like Diddy in a freakoff
Me waiting to see where the "revived halo infinite" is at years later.
29:25 Nothing beats a ground pound
5:40 ASTROPHYSICS MENTIONED 🗣
Love your content! Keep it up! Greetings from brazil
Important thing 343 has rebranded and Microsoft is the problem 343 / halo studios has to follow along with what they say
pls we need more runners :(
ps: nice vid :3
"halo infinite is a dead game" yeah im out (exits out of video)
Is it not?
I mean whilst it’s player base was really good and high at one point rivaling reach and 3 for player count - now you could defo argue it’s dead
Lol yall dont know dead games if you think halo infinite is dead. Ive never sat in queue for any mode for longer 3 minutes. I play some games were you only get matches if you join a community discord and coordinate with several times zones to get a NEARLY full lobby once a month
9:00 I'm fine with this but I'd rather the time from a perfect lights split was added automatically to livesplit when starting a run instead of removing the time entirely, like how it's done Sunshine
I wonder if any of infinites glitches would work on the previous Halo games it would be interesting to see if Bungie had already fixed the issues infinite struggles to handle back in 2001
unlikely they use different game engines
@@WaifuRuns oh yeah that's right... Hey thanks for replying I never get responses from creators! I love your work my dude!
I think the only bugs that should be patched is things that crash games and things that effect multi-player and that's it.
i do enjoy running with speed
This made me miss Tomatoanus
great video!
Finished the story on legendary for funsies and hated it but atleast i can say i did it I guess
New Waifu vid got me in purgatory, screaming for eternity 😫
Since when do Campaign games need internet connection. Smh
5:40 - track ID, anyone? Please?
I don't see a list of used tracks in the description or at the end of the video.
ua-cam.com/video/rQ1PL3_isME/v-deo.html here you go my bad i forgot
Thanks, but I think you linked to the wrong video. Regardless, I just found it: Astrophysics - Dark Circles (ft. MINTTT)
@@DezuKiwami were both wrong! i think its dark circles even darker, a remix of that version
Didn't they patch out the coil launch? I didn't watch the whole video yet, but Waifu said mods fixed this trash, but didn'tmention what they fixed. Did mods add back the coil launch?
yes they did, well the mods allow you to play on old versions so anything that was removed doesnt have to be anymore.
@@WaifuRuns OK cool. Modders should be devs since they're actually fans.
What's the name of that breakcore song near the beginning?
Music is in the description
What's the song during the Good Ending chapter?
i believe its astrophysics dark circles even darker, that or narcotics
why would you check twitter
ayaya
The flight at about 57 min in is so confusing because you say they consider dropping the MAC cannon to take out flying elites easier, which would be totally understandable to consider doing that, except for the fact that he's playing the game on..... Easy mode.... I could get it for legendary because they'd have enough health to survive a splash damage shot in their vicinity, even heroic is understandable, but he's playing on easy, and complaining about enemy health and is supposed to be one of the best Halo players in the world but he's having trouble killing enemies with the most powerful weapon in a Halo game since Halo 2, and is actually considering dropping it for real so be can what, plasma pistol their shields then BR head shot them after instead of just getting good enough to aim at enemies? I am SO confused by this guy and the things you say he's doing on easy mode as if the entire game wasn't possible to play blindfolded on easy... Did he swap difficulties at some point and I just missed it? How is that weapon not the perfect weapon in the entire game for the entirety of every fight?
Because it has a very long recharge rate and the enemies in the arena are spread apart, it takes almost 3 seconds to shoot the tank gun. In that time if you had a commando you could headshot instant kill 4 or 5 skimmers. With a headshot weapon you can take out the fodder much faster than you could with the tank gun, tank gun is good for the elites and ghosts though.
Why not play the latest version ofthe game?
Much slower and much less fun, and also has the potential to be updated and changed
why does this have so few views??
Love you waifu!
God bless and forgive you
just make new strategies for the current patch then. every game goes through this. case in point: Half Life 2 Old engine vs new engine
The big difference there is that in half life 2 there are key pieces of speedrun tech that are both cool and interesting in both versions. That’s not the case in halo infinite, the new versions are just the same run but slower and less fun, there isn’t any unique tech or alternative strategies you are just forced to play the game normally instead. Which can be fun but can also just be done on old patch. And because it’s an always online game they are liable to patch the game again at any point removing any of the new stuff that is found. For example hard coils I talk about in this video was added in after the 6 month mark but then was removed later.
Of the devs wanna be thatbout of touch why bother. They clearly dont want us to play the game
It’s still fun
Do you even like this game? Everything "nice" you say about it always a backhanded complement and it's so obnoxious. If you were trying to sell me on why this speedrun's revival should be looked at positively you definitely failed.
Games fun as hell, speedrun even more so. I wouldn’t make the video otherwise
true its dead
If 343i wanted Halo Infinite to be so terrible that you COULDN'T speedrun it, why bother fighting that? There are other, better games to speedrun than ones the developers actively try to murder relentlessly.
because we like it
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Absolutely wonderful coverage of the history and development.
Halo Infinite truly is one of the speedruns of all time.