The issue with your attempt of factoring out the function in Uiua is that the stack signature can't infer the signature of functions that are called from the stack (as those could be anything). So you have to explicitly specify how many inputs the function will take (number of outputs is 1 by default): StDev ← |1 √!⊙(|2 ⁿ2-!).(÷⊃⧻/+). Even if you didn't have to specify stack signatures though, the solution would still be longer and less readable than the original solution you came up with: StDev ← √÷⊃⧻/+ⁿ2-÷⊃⧻/+. StDev ← √!⊙(ⁿ2-!).(÷⊃⧻/+). I have to say, I absolutely love the clarity of this one: Avg ← ÷⊃⧻/+ StDev ← √Avgⁿ2-Avg. So obvious, so easy to understand.
I was banging my head to solve the signature issue, so thanks for that. And you also tightened it up by getting rid of the double-dipping. But I still prefer the fully tacit variation over naming the Avg function.
Uiua also has inverse and under combinator U ← ⍜⍘√(÷⊃⧻/+)-÷⊃⧻/+. Also, solution with annotated function signature F ← |1 √!∶ⁿ2-!⊙.,∶(÷⊃⧻/+) |x,y is a function signature, where x is number of arguments and y is a number of output values. In the F function we annotate that it takes 1 argument and omit num of out values
Nice, tried it in my own language StDev ← ⋄ ⨱₁‒₁^2/+÷ₙ⫾√2 Explanation ⋄ - this is not important just so it works in any context ⨱ - average ₁‒₁ - subtracting the average from the input ^2 - squaring /+ - sum ÷ₙ⫾ - dividing by the length of the input √2 - square root Though the combinators I find more elegant but they make my head spin, at least I don't have to repeat any code here.
I came back from school just a while ago and was getting ready for dinner (it's 10:58 pm here in Brazil) and then I saw your notification... Gotta watch that first!
my preferred Uiua version: Avg ← ÷⊃⧻/+ Std ← ⍜(ⁿ2)Avg-Avg. There are also possibilities to avoid repeating the Avg, e.g.: Std ← √!∶ⁿ2-!∶,,∶(÷⊃⧻/+) but I would like to see a more elegant and shorter way to do this :)
Sadly your second way of doing removing Avg no longer works since first class functions were removed. Your first way is very nice though. You can remove a character by using unsqrt instead of pow2, because then you can remove the parentheses.
Have you used these languages for something bigger than these types of code problems? I'd love to see how one would e.g. build todomvc with htmx or so. Especially excited about Uiua
Uiua is actually very powerful. It even comes with threads. The official website for Uiua is written in Uiua and built with trunk (It is good to note that Uiua itself is written in rust).
I honestly have no idea about APL but in general that standard deviation expression saving the average might be because in general you will often need the average when you also need the standard deviation so maybe the original paper reused it at some point later on and already saved it in there so it only gets calculated once?
I kind of didn't understand all you were saying. Is there some sort of introduction to this programming paradigm for someone used to OOP? And also, can you write something more useful than these one-liners?
Hi i want to implement an APL interpreter and i want to know if can do it without legal problems because some modern features like trains are in dialog apl.
@xnick99 after a while I imagine the symbols become meaningful and clear function names. Dont get me wrong I can’t read this shit either, but I’m sure if we spent a few hundred hours working in a code base with these languages we would be fine.
@xnick99in uiua you do write most of the glyphs by writing out their names and the interpreter formats them on runtime, no idea if there's an option to disable the reformatting though
These languages are pretty much write-only. It's cool that you can have a 1-line solution for a problem that takes 20-30 lines of python code, but who cares if nobody can understand it, fix it, change it etc?
@@denispoisson6839 no, if you write 1-line programs in any language, it will be unreadable. Though other languages don't encourage you to write one-line weird things with strange characters
C'mon, seriously, the code at 6:00 is horrible to read, not at all intuitive, just a gaggle of symbols; as such, what is the point of this language? It seems like all these cutesy, new "languages" are just trivial, semantic tweaks of each other, cluttering up the language scape. May as well just create functions to do this with C and just use C. A new language should be fundamentally different, like Lisp vs C, or evern Forth vs C. This stuff look like just semantic gymnastics. Where's the value?
If you learn how it works, this way is actually much easier to read than more mainstream languages. Also, APL came out in the 60's, I wouldn't call it new :P
I can feel disturbed if something isn’t ‘right’ aka outside my expectation. Now, while Uiua glyphs are beautiful I expected that broadly accepted glyphs would stay the same. Which is mostly the case. Except the ‘not’ glyph. The ! Glyph is globally used therefor. But not in Uiua. It has another thingy. And so, Uiau started to become a little bit less beautiful. Until I saw the (big=149,878) Unicode list and found the symbol Uiua uses instead of the standard ‘!’. It is code U+00AC and the description says; ‘not sign’. Okay, Uiau, you win! Also, does anyone, when reading the name Uiau, think of the ‘Ula’ sound from ‘War of the worlds’? No? Just me? Oh well….
The issue with your attempt of factoring out the function in Uiua is that the stack signature can't infer the signature of functions that are called from the stack (as those could be anything). So you have to explicitly specify how many inputs the function will take (number of outputs is 1 by default):
StDev ← |1 √!⊙(|2 ⁿ2-!).(÷⊃⧻/+).
Even if you didn't have to specify stack signatures though, the solution would still be longer and less readable than the original solution you came up with:
StDev ← √÷⊃⧻/+ⁿ2-÷⊃⧻/+.
StDev ← √!⊙(ⁿ2-!).(÷⊃⧻/+).
I have to say, I absolutely love the clarity of this one:
Avg ← ÷⊃⧻/+
StDev ← √Avgⁿ2-Avg.
So obvious, so easy to understand.
I was banging my head to solve the signature issue, so thanks for that. And you also tightened it up by getting rid of the double-dipping. But I still prefer the fully tacit variation over naming the Avg function.
we might simplify even further knowing that this is sqrt( - ^2)
Is the average of a?
@@samuelemorreale7510Yes.
@@samuelemorreale7510parentheses duh
Uiua also has inverse and under combinator
U ← ⍜⍘√(÷⊃⧻/+)-÷⊃⧻/+.
Also, solution with annotated function signature
F ← |1 √!∶ⁿ2-!⊙.,∶(÷⊃⧻/+)
|x,y is a function signature, where x is number of arguments and y is a number of output values.
In the F function we annotate that it takes 1 argument and omit num of out values
Love it. Please keep the Uiua content flowing 😊
Nice, tried it in my own language
StDev ← ⋄ ⨱₁‒₁^2/+÷ₙ⫾√2
Explanation
⋄ - this is not important just so it works in any context
⨱ - average
₁‒₁ - subtracting the average from the input
^2 - squaring
/+ - sum
÷ₙ⫾ - dividing by the length of the input
√2 - square root
Though the combinators I find more elegant but they make my head spin, at least I don't have to repeat any code here.
I came back from school just a while ago and was getting ready for dinner (it's 10:58 pm here in Brazil) and then I saw your notification... Gotta watch that first!
Gentle rain, a hot pocket, and this video. Great morning! Thanks! The solutions are elegant and fun.
I've loved seeing the Uiua content you've put out, it's given me a chance to practice the language as I watch
Absolutely amazing. Especially the BQN one because that one I understood. Love these videos!
The original made it very clear what operation was being done. Code golf is fun though.
my preferred Uiua version:
Avg ← ÷⊃⧻/+
Std ← ⍜(ⁿ2)Avg-Avg.
There are also possibilities to avoid repeating the Avg, e.g.:
Std ← √!∶ⁿ2-!∶,,∶(÷⊃⧻/+)
but I would like to see a more elegant and shorter way to do this :)
Sadly your second way of doing removing Avg no longer works since first class functions were removed. Your first way is very nice though. You can remove a character by using unsqrt instead of pow2, because then you can remove the parentheses.
Have you used these languages for something bigger than these types of code problems? I'd love to see how one would e.g. build todomvc with htmx or so. Especially excited about Uiua
Uiua is actually very powerful. It even comes with threads. The official website for Uiua is written in Uiua and built with trunk (It is good to note that Uiua itself is written in rust).
Thanks for linking the talks yoh mentioned!
APL all the way for me. It's much less verbose and is significatly more express in terms of its type system. 100% recommend!
Just real quick: uiua has an under operator too 😉
I honestly have no idea about APL but in general that standard deviation expression saving the average might be because in general you will often need the average when you also need the standard deviation so maybe the original paper reused it at some point later on and already saved it in there so it only gets calculated once?
And just like that, Uiua removed functions on the stack and the call operator in version 0.0.21, so half of the part about Uiua is obsolete again 😂
Well, functions on the stack was kinda confusing anyway. Also, you can replicate this behaviour with macros.
A little surprised average isn’t a backed in function/symbol in uiua
i.. almost understood this.
I kind of didn't understand all you were saying. Is there some sort of introduction to this programming paradigm for someone used to OOP? And also, can you write something more useful than these one-liners?
Hi i want to implement an APL interpreter and i want to know if can do it without legal problems because some modern features like trains are in dialog apl.
Write-only languages.
as in purely functional lol
Skill issue
@@aloussase xD
I wonder if they would say the same about Mandarin or Kanji?
@xnick99 after a while I imagine the symbols become meaningful and clear function names. Dont get me wrong I can’t read this shit either, but I’m sure if we spent a few hundred hours working in a code base with these languages we would be fine.
@xnick99in uiua you do write most of the glyphs by writing out their names and the interpreter formats them on runtime, no idea if there's an option to disable the reformatting though
These languages are pretty much write-only. It's cool that you can have a 1-line solution for a problem that takes 20-30 lines of python code, but who cares if nobody can understand it, fix it, change it etc?
That's a competency problem. You might as well say the same of Chinese or Japanese.
@@denispoisson6839 no, if you write 1-line programs in any language, it will be unreadable. Though other languages don't encourage you to write one-line weird things with strange characters
Uiuauizzard
C'mon, seriously, the code at 6:00 is horrible to read, not at all intuitive, just a gaggle of symbols; as such, what is the point of this language? It seems like all these cutesy, new "languages" are just trivial, semantic tweaks of each other, cluttering up the language scape. May as well just create functions to do this with C and just use C. A new language should be fundamentally different, like Lisp vs C, or evern Forth vs C. This stuff look like just semantic gymnastics. Where's the value?
If you learn how it works, this way is actually much easier to read than more mainstream languages. Also, APL came out in the 60's, I wouldn't call it new :P
I can feel disturbed if something isn’t ‘right’ aka outside my expectation. Now, while Uiua glyphs are beautiful I expected that broadly accepted glyphs would stay the same. Which is mostly the case. Except the ‘not’ glyph. The ! Glyph is globally used therefor. But not in Uiua. It has another thingy.
And so, Uiau started to become a little bit less beautiful. Until I saw the (big=149,878) Unicode list and found the symbol Uiua uses instead of the standard ‘!’. It is code U+00AC and the description says; ‘not sign’. Okay, Uiau, you win!
Also, does anyone, when reading the name Uiau, think of the ‘Ula’ sound from ‘War of the worlds’? No? Just me? Oh well….
What's your discord? I'd love to join
I'm sorry, but this is black magic. Burn the witch!
a uiuaer, or as i like to say, "wee-wah-wer"
wee-waer