Lack of transparency in the Rafale fighter jet's deal gives rise to conspiracy theories
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2024
- The government cannot give any convincing answers as to why an older, better deal was cancelled and replaced by an inferior deal that goes against PM Modi's "Make in India" and threatens to weaken India's air strike capability. See this detailed video explaining both deals and how the local partner to the deal doesn't know the ABC of defense. Make sure to be there till the end limerick.
Sources:
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Hollande remarks set off fresh Rafale crossfire - Sept 22, 2018
BJP’s Political Misstep - Sept 29, 2018
Economic Times
Anil Ambani was Indian Govt’s choice: Hollande - Sept 22, 2018
AK Anthony statement Sept 19, 2018
Reliance Def to get 3% of Rs 30K-Cr offset - Oct 16, 2018
Manu Pabby; Nov 2, Aug 23, 2018
R. Madhavan; Nov 6, 2018
Anubhuti Vishnoi & Manu Pabby; Nov 7, 2018
ttps://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/rafale/
Ministry of Defence’s defence - Indian Express Sept 23, 2018
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Disclosing the price would revel the add ons India opted for its jet. Most importantly, Dasaut might ask India to keep the price secret if they're doing an unique deal, so that other countries wouldn't ask for same when buying the jet.
Yup
Every one knows about add ins
What are you saying, It depends on numerous factors for fixing a deal. Eventhough if other countries are pointing out the price at which India bought. Dassault have the right to say NO. Because now Rafale is in Demand if a country needs they need to Pay the Price. But your statement had rigidly supporting the activities of BJP it seems.
Even for the CJI these people cannot disclose the Price shows that definitely there is a scam. Time will reveal everything.
The older deal was scrapped as Dassault was not ready to give guarantee of the 118 jets that were to be manufactured by HAL, which was a crucial point in the deal.
I don't know much about it but u can refer FM Arun Jaitley's interview on the same.
I see. And how come Anil Ambani was selected over everybody else?
@@9899013543 Dassault themselves have chosen Reliance as a partner, not GoI as popularly believed. Moreover the offset clause requires Dassault to invest 50% of the (roughly 30,000 crore INR) to invest back in India. So they have chosen multiple partners to partner with in India. Reliance Defence will be get 3% of the offset(economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/reliance-defence-to-get-3-of-rs-30000-crore-offset/articleshow/66228334.cms?from=mdr). Moreover Supreme Court has also dismissed all allegations of corruptions.
@@mr.whostheboss9884 CLOUD Theory
Bharath P sry ur highness if u would like to elaborate
Bharath P It is offset man, they are not going to produce Rafael. What they are going to produce are parts, of private jet liner Dassault Falcon. It’s just “Offset” of which reliance only won 3% of the total value
Regarding this deal if you examine impartiality the following information available in the public domain you will get an idea of the extent of misinformation spread about this deal.
Qatar purchased 24 Rafale fighters for Euro 6.3 billion ie 263 million per unit
Egypt purchased 24 Rafale fighters for Euro 5.4 billion ie 216 million per unit
We purchased 36 Rafale fighters for Euro 7.87 billion ie 218 million per unit
But RG says we paid 3 times ?????
You are wrong with your opening line, deal was never signed under UPA!!!
Signed bro. But that is an immaterial technicality
@@BisboWorld no it was not signed... It was negotiated but never finalised... Get your facts clear...
Ok lets assume UPA did not sign the deal, atleast they were in the final negotiation .But finally what BJP has done they could have negotiated the price , instead corruption played crucial role in rafale deal, u cannnot ignore .
@@sudhakarrajendran yaar do your research a little more.
@@BisboWorld They signed for 126 by UPA but there will no maintainance issues civered in that deal & akso TOT for kaveri engine
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Bisboo bisbooo.... !
To be in good books of the people in power 😁
So you believe amount is not to be disclosed .oh my dear your eyes are closed.
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Plz read the following facts before calling someone closed eyed...🙄🤔
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Many (almost everything) is wrong with this video
1.
126 deal was never even finalized during UPA. The defence minister George Farnandes was in talks with Dassault for Rafale but it came to a halt on 2012 for "lack of funding".
2.
The talks (which never finalized as a deal) were to buy 18 Rafale in fly away condition and rest to be manufactured by HAL.
3.
HAL fun fact🙄
HAL may maintain the fleet of indian airforce but the maintenance line and assembly line are different. Assembly does not occur in the maintenance facility.
HAL still can't fulfill the delivery of 272 Su 30Mki which had to be delivered within 2015, and as of now will complete it by the end of 2020.
Jaguar upgradation is very slow and they said that they can upgrade only by 2024.
HAL Tejas production is very slow (currently increasing from 8 a year to 16 per year by making another assembly line.)
So if Rafale to be produced by HAL , they have to make another assembly line ( which will take atleast 2 to 3 years) and then the production will start. And after the production, the assembly line will be either useless or India has to buy more Rafale to keep it running...
4.
Now the current deal is to procure 36 (2 sqdns) of Rafale by 2022 along with following things......
4.1 meteor missile and other armaments.
4.2 75% availability at all time.
4.3 *the offset clause* to invest in India in various modes.
5. The Ambani factor...
In the offset clause, it is told that 50%(around 36000 cr) of the price paid by India to be re-invest in India.
There are different companies that have a tie with a foreign counterpart such as (Mahindra and Lockheed Martin) , (TATA and Boeing) , (Reliance and Dassault Aviation) etc.
The Reliance got 3 % of that offset clause to make electronic parts for Faclcon 2000 aircraft ( as being part of Dassault Aviation).
DRDO, BHEL, and many more companies got some contract according to this offset clause. Even HAL also got a collaboration to revive Kaveri engine under this deal.
See - m.economictimes.com/news/defence/reliance-defence-to-get-3-of-rs-30000-crore-offset/articleshow/66228334.cms?from=mdr)
6.
As per the IAF requirment of planes, there is MMRCA 2.0 deal to buy aircraft ( which may not be finalised be cause HAL is now designing ORCA, AMCA, TEDBF etc ) for IAF.
And the case of Eurofighter Typhoon.....
It's different component is made by different companies and during emergency condition, negotiating with one country is better than to talk with many countries...
And even HAL Tejas is better than Eurofighter Typhoon.(see the specs of both and then compare,which is better...)
I think you should also take few more points into consideration.
HAL has always been delayed in their promise delivery. it's plagued with inefficient staffs. 272 sukoi planes were supposed to be delivered by now. till now more than 40 units pending. HAL tejas has come out from factory still struggling to achieve FOC while it should have been placed as monument in museum. MIG21 like 3rd gen aircrafts are not maintained properly and got Nick name as flying coffins. do you think they could ever build or mainatain plane equivalent to Western standards?
you were claiming why S400 deal was open- this is because our main opponent is china and China knows about S400, where as Rafael is still a mystery for china and very likely by disclosing the price will also reveal them the weapon systems bought with them. as you must be knowing Mere fighter plane is just like a fast moving object which can be shot down even by Mig21. and this is what communists(slaves of china) want to happen which is backed by congress.
India will never by Eurofighter, because these fighters are built by more than one country. under extreme circumstances like war, if one country object the delivery of spare, these planes would be just to click selfies.
along with Reliance there are 100 more companies are awarded the contract. why this is not highlighted?
in short this is congress sponsored and carefully drafted vedio. when nation security is at threat these A**s H**es are making it a political issue.
if congress were so good, what were they doing for 10yrs? waiting Rafeal to lay eggs? congress serves only one family and that's ( Fake) Ghandi family. I don't see India as communist nation were state controls all stakes. instead it's better to see our business house's raising to level of Lockheed Martin or Northrop. be it reliance or TATA.
First of all i am not supporting amy political i don't like any political parties but Hal struggled to make Tejas as it was dragged slow by the political party as well as the kavery engine
As for Mig 21 how much you maintain it its an old aircraft it will have its difficulties so Hal can modify and modify its no use that fighter is outdated
Yes Hal is the only company that have the experience of making a plane so they can make to the western standards
I am not against giving it any company but I am against giving it to Reliance they never had military experience but if it was tata its ok as they had atleast some military experience
Awesome mate
Vinz s why was anil ambani in the Indian delegation which visited France even before the "Rafael" deal was finalized ? Chokidar made in India ko kyu scrap banadiya?
The_heartbroken _psycho no mig 21 is not outdated , since Hal manufactures fresh airframes , and the Bison is the latest and one of the best variants .
Tejas is still a shitshow . Modi govt has got it back on track , at least for now .
Giving it to reliance is better since they are already connected to Rafale and will get the deal more easily and more than that other companies have got the contract ALONG with reliance .
So... The french opens up a criminal investigation for this new deal.
Today supreme court order there is no fault in this deal....
Yeah, because the supreme court is not independent these days. You can search about the 4 judges press conference. And they apparently introduced hidden envelope.
@@rishavm47 anything that favours BJP is funded by BJP just libtard logic.
@@shankarmishra1762 yes sir, these 4 judges are retards, one of whom will go on to become CJI.
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@@shankarmishra1762 chief justice ranjan gogoi got a seat in the bjp govt even before completing 1 year from retirement , isnt it suspicious and if it doesn't look to you then you are blind go get a check-up
@@priyanshparikh3660 seat from bjp? Seriously?
He was elected by The President.
Like that even Sachin, etc were elected by President during UPA....
So sachin is congress ka aadmi?.any logic?
Hello Bisbo, we want to know about BOFORS SCANDAL.
There is no proof on whether Bofors was a scam or not
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@@vivekkharde8841 same is the case with rafale too 😂
but here we are seeinng a video on escape deal
Misleading, modi gov did submitted the price of jet in closed envelop, and now court too has given clean chit in that case, ha ha ha , please make changes in the vedio to avoid hateful comments.
Your illiterate
No deal was done in congress time it was just a proposal which never developed into a deal due to disagreement between dassault and indian government at that time.
Incorrect. The deal was signed and ready.
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Why is it a secret? Are you joking? It's a defence most important purchase in last 20 years and will be a backbone to our entire defence with S-400. Not a sabji Mandi purchase that you go out and tell everyone. Rahul Gandhi has brought everyone to his level of intelligence it seems
I think you are uneducated silly moron, didn't you learn who 126 deal was in public domain where as 36 deal conveniently kept hidden raising suspicion. Facts are so evident in this video yet morons insight on state propoganda
Above all these allegations and politics it's the on true security which is suffering as usual. The poi t of air force only having 19 squadrons by 2022 is a grave security concern. More needs to be done urgently.
There is a little more problem please fighter jets we are going to buy they are going to come with drafter whatever specifications then we going to upgrade them around 2024 so you can think we going to have forget 19 if able to manage 15 that will be a good in current condition this is the reality if they didn't speed of everything a force is done for container need 100 200 around 500 next 10 years but the sad truth is the fighter jets they are flying they are already expired imagine you have a 30 year old TV each time any part stop working they bought second hand part and fix that TV but we are not talking about TV we are talking about fighter jets them fly if they stopped working in middle of air good we know what happened if you are keeping on defence news funds have give some free second hand fighter jets to India which has been retired because nobody wants to ues that old fighter jets
Yeah especially during this troubled china times.
that's called completely Propaganda Video.
Not showing Govt. Points.
only accusers points are told
&
Reliance bought an older company & Renaming it to Reliance Defence, doesn't make the company new Born. it will remain as older as it was before Renaming
Correct me if am wrong, bisbo is biased
No
They are biased instead of blaming the modi goverment they directed the flow of critisism into two streams. 10% to Realince and 90% to the Congress. They used "Whataboutism" that is used by every BJP politician. I hope if Bisbo closes down. Peace out
UPA deal didn't go through and they didn't buy a single Rafael.
On what basis they are blaming NDA
Politicians forget that we pay for their extravagant lifestyles and security
Good video fair points however u forgot about the cost of maintenance and spare parts. There is also a small thing called the Meteor BVR missiles, other weapon systems (including precision-guided air to ground munitions) and the Electronic countermeasures capabilities that have been included. The original deal that was never signed only accounted for the aircraft and not the associated system which explain why the secrecy as u don't want ur enemies to know what ur offensive capabilities are.
Even for the SU 30 MKI we don't know the armament specs that India bought and uses.
As far as the reliance issue is concerned yes that is an uneasy coincidence.
But how did you get this information if it was not revealed??
Has modi told in in your ears?
@@zaynkevlogs6827 lol its publicly available thing kido
Rafael is a perfect on sight scam why HAL is rejected ? Why was anil ambani in Indian delegation which visited dessault France even before the deal was finalised . Congress has every right to allege BJP in this !!! Bisbo needs to stop bjp propaganda and be neutral with out any bias!!!
True😥
Read it,and you will get all your answer...
All , tha Ambani and the HAL too..
But at-least the Govt has submitted the papers to SC and moreover CAG will any ways audit the entire deal
Aah we has CAGs like Vinod Rai who made fake claims of corruption in 2G and see tge plum posting he got in BCCI as favour from this corrupt government
Half information given in here. Not mention about fully loaded vs base plane cost and many important information missing here. Wrong comparison of S 400 price and Rafale price. S 400 has no customization but we customize Rafale and if we gives exact price of Rafale enemy can calculate what customization being done.
Many (almost everything) is wrong with this video
1.
126 deal was never even finalized during UPA. The defence minister George Farnandes was in talks with Dassault for Rafale but it came to a halt on 2012 for "lack of funding".
2.
The talks (which never finalized as a deal) were to buy 18 Rafale in fly away condition and rest to be manufactured by HAL.
3.
HAL fun fact🙄
HAL may maintain the fleet of indian airforce but the maintenance line and assembly line are different. Assembly does not occur in the maintenance facility.
HAL still can't fulfill the delivery of 272 Su 30Mki which had to be delivered within 2015, and as of now will complete it by the end of 2020.
Jaguar upgradation is very slow and they said that they can upgrade only by 2024.
HAL Tejas production is very slow (currently increasing from 8 a year to 16 per year by making another assembly line.)
So if Rafale to be produced by HAL , they have to make another assembly line ( which will take atleast 2 to 3 years) and then the production will start. And after the production, the assembly line will be either useless or India has to buy more Rafale to keep it running...
4.
Now the current deal is to procure 36 (2 sqdns) of Rafale by 2022 along with following things......
4.1 meteor missile and other armaments.
4.2 75% availability at all time.
4.3 *the offset clause* to invest in India in various modes.
5. The Ambani factor...
In the offset clause, it is told that 50%(around 36000 cr) of the price paid by India to be re-invest in India.
There are different companies that have a tie with a foreign counterpart such as (Mahindra and Lockheed Martin) , (TATA and Boeing) , (Reliance and Dassault Aviation) etc.
The Reliance got 3 % of that offset clause to make electronic parts for Faclcon 2000 aircraft ( as being part of Dassault Aviation).
DRDO, BHEL, and many more companies got some contract according to this offset clause. Even HAL also got a collaboration to revive Kaveri engine under this deal.
See - m.economictimes.com/news/defence/reliance-defence-to-get-3-of-rs-30000-crore-offset/articleshow/66228334.cms?from=mdr)
6.
As per the IAF requirment of planes, there is MMRCA 2.0 deal to buy aircraft ( which may not be finalised be cause HAL is now designing ORCA, AMCA, TEDBF etc ) for IAF.
And the case of Eurofighter Typhoon.....
It's different component is made by different companies and during emergency condition, negotiating with one country is better than to talk with many countries...
And even HAL Tejas is better than Eurofighter Typhoon.(see the specs of both and then compare,which is better...)
Amazing guys, I have wactched and shared over 10 of your videos. Truly unbiased and awesome
Many (almost everything) is wrong with this video
1.
126 deal was never even finalized during UPA. The defence minister George Farnandes was in talks with Dassault for Rafale but it came to a halt on 2012 for "lack of funding".
2.
The talks (which never finalized as a deal) were to buy 18 Rafale in fly away condition and rest to be manufactured by HAL.
3.
HAL fun fact🙄
HAL may maintain the fleet of indian airforce but the maintenance line and assembly line are different. Assembly does not occur in the maintenance facility.
HAL still can't fulfill the delivery of 272 Su 30Mki which had to be delivered within 2015, and as of now will complete it by the end of 2020.
Jaguar upgradation is very slow and they said that they can upgrade only by 2024.
HAL Tejas production is very slow (currently increasing from 8 a year to 16 per year by making another assembly line.)
So if Rafale to be produced by HAL , they have to make another assembly line ( which will take atleast 2 to 3 years) and then the production will start. And after the production, the assembly line will be either useless or India has to buy more Rafale to keep it running...
4.
Now the current deal is to procure 36 (2 sqdns) of Rafale by 2022 along with following things......
4.1 meteor missile and other armaments.
4.2 75% availability at all time.
4.3 *the offset clause* to invest in India in various modes.
5. The Ambani factor...
In the offset clause, it is told that 50%(around 36000 cr) of the price paid by India to be re-invest in India.
There are different companies that have a tie with a foreign counterpart such as (Mahindra and Lockheed Martin) , (TATA and Boeing) , (Reliance and Dassault Aviation) etc.
The Reliance got 3 % of that offset clause to make electronic parts for Faclcon 2000 aircraft ( as being part of Dassault Aviation).
DRDO, BHEL, and many more companies got some contract according to this offset clause. Even HAL also got a collaboration to revive Kaveri engine under this deal.
See - m.economictimes.com/news/defence/reliance-defence-to-get-3-of-rs-30000-crore-offset/articleshow/66228334.cms?from=mdr)
6.
As per the IAF requirment of planes, there is MMRCA 2.0 deal to buy aircraft ( which may not be finalised be cause HAL is now designing ORCA, AMCA, TEDBF etc ) for IAF.
And the case of Eurofighter Typhoon.....
It's different component is made by different companies and during emergency condition, negotiating with one country is better than to talk with many countries...
And even HAL Tejas is better than Eurofighter Typhoon.(see the specs of both and then compare,which is better...)
He don't have any depth idea about this. He thinks public are dumb and not aware of current matters.
Just my observation is that you softly target bjp government through your videos.After seeing all your videos i am shocked that you have not a single video on Coal scam,2G spectrum and many more that happened under UPA.
Why did you turn bisbo (from neutral to 3-4 videos neutral and one attacking video)nice strategy though u are smart😂.
Maby he should talk about exploration by the British colonialism also the mughals Yeah? Move on from the past see present and look at the future what will come, otherwise Live in the past kid and they'll steal you future.
Rigggghhht. Any sort of criticism of your government and its because he has an agenda? Hes literally stating facts which you can't even refute yet you say it's an attack.
Why you Bhakts are so sensitive
This is the same confusion Technique played by UP A when Bajpayee Was facing election. Then it was coffline
Left media+UPA=
No left no right. What is there is there.
swastik mishra Of course Bisbo does that, like that isn’t evident enough from his videos yet
@@BisboWorld tell me one thing master that what is the difference between making aircraft parts and aircraft and for your information SC has already ruled out there is no trail of corruption and even concurred the same in CAG report
So you should have waited till the SC ruling but unfortunately I you couldn't
Well now the air is clear and you should have made another clarifying the same but unfortunately a wolf in the guise of sheep is perfectly applicable to people like you
You even doubt the intention behind CAA
Perhaps you must have had a look at the year 2014. And perhaps the development going on in Pakistan Afghanistan and incidents in Bangla past which have led to massacre assault torture on their minorities perhaps Indians like you create a suspicion of air
Criticizing govt policy is a sign of healthy democracy but when made it clear without throwing words which neither shoot nor diffuse.
@@basavarajakkisagar8669 He is manipulating the facts with his propaganda. Not revealing the complete truth without any reasoning. I was tempted to subscribe but that was a mistake.
Incomplete info. UPA govt was negotiating, nothing was signed. Dasault was not to let HAL do the manufacturing because HAL isn't competitive enough, rather they haven't delivered their existing projects yet. The taxpayer has the right to know, but national security comes first, we cannot expose the weapons systems fit on the aircraft. Also, the final price per Aircraft includes costs for Maintainance infrastructure as well as other things.
MMS didn't signed any deal it was in discussion
Clearly this channel is biased 🙄
This video is horribly wrong.
Congress govt never made a deal as they had no money. Because rahul gandhi and sonia family wants vvvip treatment everywhere and vdra farmer needs to farm
Reliance had a deal worth 300 crore only .
manmohan singh never signed the deal. they were just negotiating with france as france was not accepting their conditions
So it turns out that Modi is not the culprit sc give their verdict.
Congress accused BJP in media during elections and when the matter went to court Mr Gandhi apologised unconditionally 😂😂
And bhakt
This video is clearly biased. I hate to say this. It begins with a lie that previous govt had done a deal .if so where is the link of news report showing agreement was done. So when no deal was done there is no question of comparison. So this video is fully wrong. I liked earlier videos but this video is based on wrong facts in my opinion.
You're wrong, Dassault had no agreement with UPA government. Also Rafale under UPA was cheaper because they were buying only the plane, no ammunation, maintenance and setup prices. What NDA is buying ready to fly, fully loaded jets, thus it is costly. Also we bought 32 Rafale since India is concentrating on swadeshi airplane. Tejas MK1 has been added to the fleet, and 72 more are to be added soon. Tejas MK2, TEDBF and AMCA are under construction. Supporting our own developed flight will save a lot of money in long term over buying 120 Rafale, when they will be not completely delivered before 2028 with the speed of their flight production.
Never make the video with half knowledge.
This is a very confusing video. I really don't understand what Bisbo's trying to convey.
For instance, comparing the S-400 price disclosure to Rafale jets is, absurd! Rafale has add-ons that include sophisticated radars, missiles, counter-measures and such electronic warfare. Disclosing the price of a fully loaded Rafale jet will allow for India's adversaries to guess the add-on equipment and become ready with counter measures.
You really think these technologies are unknown in the military world? lol it’s an off the shelf purchase.
nothing is confidential in manufacturing industry... who do you think are gonna assemble those modi's extra gadgets in Rafael...CEO and Defense minister??
it's the 1000's of normal labour who assemble it...# Chowkidar chor he..
we the tax payers r not blind.. u think we r foolish.. secret act is just a hoax.. and the amount is so big that govt has shut all mouths either with money or transferring them to unknown places
Really? We don't want to know in detail what's in it and what's not but the government should give the briefing like past government
@@Akshaykumar-cs8ht Oh? Then why do intelligence agencies around the world exist?
Spreading lie ..in 2012-2013 there was no sign of 126 jets deal ..
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@@antonyberchmansranjith533 fyi Dassault didn't trust the HAL for manufacturing and they themselves chose Ambani .
Yes all you can do now is cry, since you guys r not ready to accept the corruption that took place in the Rafale deal 🙄🙄Keep on spreading lies, as we know BJP IT cell has 34 lakh member dedicated just to spread lies and show what bhakth can actually see.
Ranjan Gogoi was "Sealed envelope" chief justice of India 😄😁😂
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6:29 does the supreme court of india have three chief justices? In earlier video, you've also shown that assistant commissioner of police was higher ranked than additional commissioner of police! Please be careful on these matters. I love your channel too much. 👍
Deal was never signed by UPA govt..and former defence minister admitted that the govt did not have funds to purchase Rafael..
Hope SC and CAG have given their verdict .. this is a misleading video under circumstances.
Hi Bisbo ... I like ur videos but few questions as I have few details of this. . at first u said The previous govt had done a deal for 520-570 crore. So where is the agreement. Secondly the video says 9% cheaper and 20% cheaper. If I remember correctly the 9% cheaper was for aircraft without India specific additions. And 20% cheaper is for overall aircraft with missiles etc. Frankly I don't know abt the 40%. I m searching where IAF said 40% cheaper. If u can forward me the link it would be great. Regarding Sitharaman I can share this interview in which she has answered many questions. This is not to an Indian channel but BBC.
ua-cam.com/video/Cjoz-YNm9E4/v-deo.html
He is misguiding people to another direction. First of all the deal signed comes not only bare aircraft also with India Specific Enhancement + Arnament (missile, Meteor BVR + Stormshadow missile + base preparing (2000 lb bomb attack can be withstand + Maintenance package (France will have to help anytime for 75% Oprational fleet capability)..
ISE includes - Israelly Dass 4 HMD + X -gurad decoy system + Lightening G4 targeting pod (having SAR mode), ENhanced M88 Core engine, so that Indian Rafale can peform duties in Hilly region..
finally 50% Offset clause...
now compare with Qatar deal, they signed 24 Rafale for 6.2 Billion Euro. WIthout Maintanenace package + Storm Shadow missile + Without Base preparing cost + No special modification.. Their Rafale dont have additiona defencive suite like Istraely X-guard decoy system.
with no Offset clause..
@@dibakarroy226 you are talking about machinery.....but here in video is talken about the deal......why did government hiding the details of the deal
It's a rafale scam
Congress have made a deal to benefit family or party men after knowing that modi changed the deal and it's know hurting Rahul croupt company .......
Dude, there was no deal done in UPA era. Pls do your homework and come
I thought bisbo is unbaised and spreading reality but from past few past video i felt it is biased by providing half information. Sorry and time to unsubscribe
For your Information both Cong supporters and Bisbo followers
The deal was given to Reliance "along with" 100 other offset partners in which Reliance and these other companies will be making the small parts of Rafale as per Make In India scheme and these parts will then be sent to France just for assembly
Make some parts in India, send them to France and then move them back here? That's not "Make in India", is it? Why give it Reliance who have no idea what they're doing instead of HAL? Reliance failed at Telecom even. They shouldn't be given any defence contracts. But Lord Mukesh Ambani is too powerful for the BJP to handle.
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have you ever seen the performance comparison of rafale and eurofighter typhoon??
Nice video, well balanced argument and great comic touch.
However, would like to pint out that Rafele is bought specially for Brahmos.
In order to keep its capability a secret to our neighbouring China & Pakistan, confidentiality must be ensured.
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One of the best page I've ever seen The way they explain the things with pictorial representation... that's great keep it up guys ...:)
Thanks Sai Chandu.
Felt like watching a movie.
Superb way of making understand.
News channels could not so.
I didnt bother to watch full video. His first statement " UPA govt signed deal for 126 rafale in 2014" shows he dont have good knowledge of this deal. Rafale deal was only in talks in 3-4years during UPA. UPA govt did not finalise deal neither they finalise cost of rafale.
When you realize the rafale is already outdated.
Actually It is upgraded to modern standards (radder , jammer etc) and is a 4.5 gen fighter
Rafael was short listed by previous government not this government. This government just made it into Government to government deal instead of dealing with dassault. And offset as I read the policy its up to OEM. I don't think the offset is of 30000 crores because there are other 3cos also in this deal which are Safran and Thales I guess. So dassault share is less of 8000crores of offset I guess. And as per media reports they have given to 72 other cos.so how can reliance benefit. That's all.
Well said..
How come reliance is selected when they do not have experience in defence and why price cannot be disclosed per plane?
Price has been disclosed as 670 crore per plane without India specific additions by minister of defence (state ) in parliament. Regarding offset. I m quoting as per media reports all planes will come in flyaway condition. . Not a screw of it will be made in India. Reliance is chosen as offset partner by Dassault and not government. In offsets if obligation is not fulfilled Dassault will have to pay penalty and Dassault has said in ANI interview its a joint venture. So why they chose reliance should be addressed to Dassault and not to government. The offset policy was made in 2013 if I am not wrong when previous govt was in power . This was addressed in ANI interview to Dassault CEO.
Actually, there is no contractual agreement on that with the Rafale deal with Dassault only a letter of promise from the French government that is not even legally binding
@@SK-yn3td the offset policy was set by prev party but when was the offset company choosen and i don't like the idea of giving a major defense program to company with no defense background atleast tata would be better than Reliance
Hahaha it was hard for me to believe so I started reading all the comments... you have not answered any of them,, because there is no proof ?
And today is the day it lands!!
Half knowledge video.....
Government is a service and we are customers. Anyone getting too emotional about a government is either beneficiary or a government servant.
All others are just customers. A good customer gets the best deal but he is loyal to the best service and not the government.
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Hi bisbo how u make these videos it's quite awesome and professional
Thanks AS. We use Adobe Photoshop and Animate CC for this
@@BisboWorld thanks alot bisbo...
Very responsive too...
I hope u will make tutorials on that ..
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Bisbos channel is just another congress and oppositions mouth piece .. yet to see him actual investigative work on gandhis :)..
Lol seriously? Someone stating facts about your beloved party and you're but hurt? He doesn't praise congress as well. Here's a Fact for you, someone can support no party and as a sign of true nationalism, look at whats happening in their country and talk about it. Unlike some of you who just wants to sit and applaud.
The 36 Rafale jets are very sophisticated and upgraded a lot for indian needs unlike the old deal where we would be getting only basic version
Now bisbo is cartoon it self 😂🤣😂🤣😂 make some corona video for defaming govt for 2024
Manmohan Singh government did not sign the contract. A.k Antony was tipped that there was going to be millions stolen by people involved. As he couldn't go ahead eliminating such a risk the whole deal was frozen.
The tax payer has right to know about the deal but not Enemy....
but congress supporter wont all details because thay love china or pakistan
Supreme court has investigated and cleared all doubts and allowed the deal
ear Admin ,
As per my understanding of the subject , Rafale signed by UPA and NDA were not the same . UPA rafale deal was bound to be cheaper not because of 126 fighters but because of the Rafale under UPA did not have RBE2 passive electronically scanned radar ,which cost almost the price of the entire plan because of the technology . Rafel under NDA have this RBE2 tech which makes it more expensive than UPA.
One of the reason why Rafale count was cut down to 36 because because government wanted to invest in the research of Fifth generation fighter aircraft and wanted to promote Tajes which was long pending. Had 126 Rafale was ordered , Tejas production would have to be scrapped . Also Rafale was chosen because it is manufactured by France which has a friendly relation with India. Eurofighter is manufactured by Italy ,UK and Germany , which dose not share similar level of relation with India as France .
There were many differences b/w the old and the new deal. Including modifications to carry nuclear payload. Maintenance guarantee for 15 years with 70% availability. Arms such BVR Missiles. Modifications to engine to suit Indian environment, hangar facilities etc.
Earlier cost was for skeleton 126 aircrafts.
If you seriously believe that a base Rafale costs 500 Cr and its fully loaded variant costs over 1600 Cr, you're an utter dumbfk who should be tied up in a mental hospital.
How is your supposed maintenance guarantee deal by some foreign entity better than actual transfer of technology and home manufacturing of these aircraft where we can make all the spares we want ourselves?
Why does the Rafale even need an outdated feature like nuclear carrying capacity when India has one of the world's best suite of nuclear capable ballistic & cruise missiles which can deliver a load with guaranteed accuracy? Even if you want that feature for some reason, we already have squadrons of recently upgraded Jaguars which already have this feature.
Even if we believe your stupidly fake narrative that the 126 aircraft were in 'skeleton' configuration, it makes a hell lot more sense to build our squadron strength to full power with spanking new aircraft in a single shot, retire the old MiGs asap and then slowly arm & upgrade the Rafales with the latest tech in the next few years rather than buying 2 squadrons of white elephants which are too few in number and too expensive to be of any use in an actual war.
It's because of fkers like you who defend this s#it govt even when their corruption is out in public display that we're in this deep hole today.
@@MegaRazzzz Lol, you're completely brainwashed and blinded by hatred to see beyond the lies and assess the facts as they're and think objectively. Only a lesser man would indulge in name calling and cussing rather than having a civilized discussion.
MMRCA deal formulated under UPA just reached a conclusion that they will buy either Rafale as L1 or Eurofighter as L2 if in case the former deal fails. What they presented was just a rough estimate not a specific figure. Ever heard about INS Vikramaditya? What was cost estimated at the onset and what was the amount paid on conclusion? Did Mr. RG gobbled up 1.6 billion dollar? That too back around 2010?
What was the total rise in cost of iron, glass and other materials from 2008 to 2016-17? How much did rupee depreciated? And how did Euro gained? Did you consider the cost of insurance? The cost of upgrades: India specific enhancements? The cost of all the armaments and spares could easily match the cost of a aircraft. The cost of temperature controlled hanger for 72 jets and the training aside.
Moreover, 40% of the cost of the deal is to be invested back in India by Dassault as per its contract obligations.
And let's not forget the Bofors scam or the tatra scam. Gandhis have been ruling this country just as a constitutional monarchy. Gandhis have been more authoritarian than the current government. That doesn't makes current government to be an angel anyhow they have messed up on many fronts. But Rafale deal isn't one of them. Their work in defence sector is much better compared to the snail pace work of UPA-1&2.
I bet your blood will boil and your ego will call for a vengeance because I disagreed with your view. You aren't capable of handling views and thoughts contrary to those of yours. You aren't mature enough to think beyond the party lines that have divided our society and to have an independent view on issues that plague our nation.
I don't support either NDA or UPA or Left. Political parties have their own agenda. What matters to me is what is best for India not a party.
UPA took 10 long yrs to just negotiate Rafale deal still they didn't inked it, why? If MMS had signed d deal in 2012 as said in this video then y didn't they move forward & make it into reality? The only thing which kept this deal at bay was for d search of 'commission' which they recieved in almost all major defence deals right from Bofors to Agusta Westland. Defence deals has been proved to b a cash crop for Nehru-gandhi family.
Modi signed Rafale deal which never existed before (unlike in this video it is projected as if he scrapped d deal only to b replaced by new one) since claims of buying 126 fighter planes were only from one side ( ie.SCAMgress). If both sides had agreed to d claims made by d then UPA Government then y didn't d deal capatilised?
SCAMgress has a history of playing with India's defence security right from Nehru to Sonia Antonio to fulfill their thirst for corruption.
Made signed this deal right after coming to power apart from other major decisions related to defence like OROP & buying of more than half a million bullet proof jackets from DRDO (both these were long standing demands of d Indian army to which SCAMgress comfortably overlooked for yrs. OROP is something which Indian army wanted for more than 3 decades or so!)
Because of this huge corruption no matter whose party's govt it is, third world countries remains in developing category. No only leaders, there is corruption from top to bottom in the system. So people are also responsible for the state of the country
Aur ek baat sir..aap ne AK Anthony ko dikhaya aur kaha ki deal sastha hain toh 36 ki jagah 126 kyun nahi liye. Unka 2014 mein kya kahan please suniye. Unhone kahan hamare pass paise nahi hain. Toh tab agreement kahan hua
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There is no question that all political parties use defence to fill their own pockets, as a result our countires brave soldiers be it naval, army or air force die by being forced to use sub standard and old weapons! This is going on ever since independence! Sad sad state of affairs in our country!
Content is awesome. But the music is annoying sometimes.
You make really cool videos, Bisbo.
10/10 video!
Thanks a lot Regina...
That's why our sukhois are now waiting and waiting for maintenance.
Agusta , rafale, bofors, aircraft carrier, every where corruption in defence also
Dambo tumhe DPP ke baren main kuch bhi knwldg hai??? Paise ko lee videos banate ho idiot , hum euro fighter nahi khared sakte the kyuki dpp ke mutabik hum sirf L1 se hi baat karsakte hai.. k?
The reason the old deal was scrapped is because India wanted Dassault to give quality assurance for jets produced by HAL. Dassault refused to give any assurance for jets produced by HAL.
So the Indian government made a new deal and took HAL out of the deal. That's why a fresh deal was required.
Wrong information
The Hindu Mr Ram wrote series of articles on rafale. People did not buy those articles and voted bjp back to power. Ram openly admitted in those articles that there is no corruption in rafale deal.
You are doing great work man, keep it up.
You didn't mention the price and other details said by Dassault CEO in latest interview to ANI. How could you miss that?
It's covered Shailender, see the video
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Looks like you havent been informed that price and other details have been submitted to court in a sealed cover and now they have said the price details can not be revealed .... Firtsly no one tell how much is actuall cost and time that will take to build jets in india by hal.... And in documentary jet cost was mentioned as 120million euros now you can do the math and check whats the price is.... Airforce has selected on its own so government going as per choice of IAF
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this is totally misguided video without actual facts , after this long debate people know all about Rafale better than this video .
What's wrong in it? I think what things he told were absolutely right.
@@ashutoshguglani7611 watch study iq question channel video on rafale..
or read articles by renowned news companies flr better info u will understand. .but (don't go for dhruv tattti he is spreading lies as well)..
@@donothingnot1517 I don't i need to go anywhere. Just tell me the points were he laid or misguided.
@@ashutoshguglani7611 I didnt bother to watch full video. His first statement " UPA govt signed deal for 126 rafale in 2014" shows he dont have good knowledge of this deal. Rafale deal was only in talks in 3-4years during UPA. UPA govt did not finalise deal neither they finalise cost of rafale.
Well said
Also, Reliance Defence was not a single company for their offset, there are HAL and DRDO who were gaining technical support from offset deal.
Also, as you shown HAL, Mahindra Defence and Boeing has signed their partnership on later stage in MMRCA2 tender for F/A 18 Hornets..
Arms purchasing in any country is always riddled with controversy and corruption. India is no exception. The question here is what was procedure followed by Congress during their rule for 70 years? Jeep scandal during Chinese aggression, Bofors etc. The Congress and their allies who are questioning the Rafale purchase should also answer what steps they took to manufacture these arms in India. When our scientist can design spacecraft to reach Mars on shoe string budget then it should not be difficult to manufacture sophisticated in this country. The purchase of Rafale was necessitated because during Congress rule they virtually banned the manufacture of Tejas and Cauvery turbo engines. The security of the country was thrown to winds as Abhinandan was shot shot down because he was flying of 40 years old aircraft.
Rafale deal has been declared clean by the Supreme court. And the government did disclose all the details to the Supreme court.
Moral: Sab Chor h!
Many (almost everything) is wrong with this video
1.
126 deal was never even finalized during UPA. The defence minister George Farnandes was in talks with Dassault for Rafale but it came to a halt on 2012 for "lack of funding".
2.
The talks (which never finalized as a deal) were to buy 18 Rafale in fly away condition and rest to be manufactured by HAL.
3.
HAL fun fact🙄
HAL may maintain the fleet of indian airforce but the maintenance line and assembly line are different. Assembly does not occur in the maintenance facility.
HAL still can't fulfill the delivery of 272 Su 30Mki which had to be delivered within 2015, and as of now will complete it by the end of 2020.
Jaguar upgradation is very slow and they said that they can upgrade only by 2024.
HAL Tejas production is very slow (currently increasing from 8 a year to 16 per year by making another assembly line.)
So if Rafale to be produced by HAL , they have to make another assembly line ( which will take atleast 2 to 3 years) and then the production will start. And after the production, the assembly line will be either useless or India has to buy more Rafale to keep it running...
4.
Now the current deal is to procure 36 (2 sqdns) of Rafale by 2022 along with following things......
4.1 meteor missile and other armaments.
4.2 75% availability at all time.
4.3 *the offset clause* to invest in India in various modes.
5. The Ambani factor...
In the offset clause, it is told that 50%(around 36000 cr) of the price paid by India to be re-invest in India.
There are different companies that have a tie with a foreign counterpart such as (Mahindra and Lockheed Martin) , (TATA and Boeing) , (Reliance and Dassault Aviation) etc.
The Reliance got 3 % of that offset clause to make electronic parts for Faclcon 2000 aircraft ( as being part of Dassault Aviation).
DRDO, BHEL, and many more companies got some contract according to this offset clause. Even HAL also got a collaboration to revive Kaveri engine under this deal.
See - m.economictimes.com/news/defence/reliance-defence-to-get-3-of-rs-30000-crore-offset/articleshow/66228334.cms?from=mdr)
6.
As per the IAF requirment of planes, there is MMRCA 2.0 deal to buy aircraft ( which may not be finalised be cause HAL is now designing ORCA, AMCA, TEDBF etc ) for IAF.
And the case of Eurofighter Typhoon.....
It's different component is made by different companies and during emergency condition, negotiating with one country is better than to talk with many countries...
And even HAL Tejas is better than Eurofighter Typhoon.(see the specs of both and then compare,which is better...)
@Just Dab Haha Good One!
Yeah we clearly have not forgotten congress but we cannot let another party to do same again. Its better to ask now than loosing more tax payers money! 🤔
change the name from bisbo to bisbo congress 😂😂😂 lol
Omg this video maker is also a modi media. Gober bhakt.
Defense deal should never be published
There was no original deal. There was only a offer from Dr. Manmohan Singh govt. And you damn congress chaplus
Nothing discussed about weapons and engine specs.. old deal was empty fighter jets with unfinished indian weapons integration and incapable HAL's production facility...
Sukhoi 30 MKI jets made by HAL are comparitively more expensive than jets imported directly from Russia ...Also they are just assembling them with knock off kits....so its just take ng more time and resources thus increasing costs... So the discussion of making them in HAL cheaper is foregone....
incomplete info man...supreme court already said there is nothing wrong in deal, there was no original deal at first ,UPA just proposed not dealed? then y u r saying fresher deal is made?
This video was uploaded before Supreme Court judgement
arey bisbo. get your facts correct bisbo, the total amount of 126 jets is not cut down, in the previous contract 18 jets were ordered under fly away condition. The number of flying condition jets has been increased from 18 to 36 in the new contract, the same 126 jets are being brought for a cheaper rate from dassault, and moreover HAL will make the remaining 90 jets under the transfer of technology.