Spotify isn't giving up 70% of the money they make... they own, or are owned, by the companies that they pay out to. That's how this shell game works - the same owners are behind most of the shells. Also, when a thriving company is "always losing money", that doesn't really mean they lost money. It's declared that way for tax purposes, even though they made tons of money. That's an old trick.
I was one of those artist that started to blow up in the “lime wire” days😂, there was website called isound back then pre version of UA-cam n iTunes n all, I had like 120k subs, always featured on homepage in top 10 indie artist, and 100k downloads, (but we didn’t get paid for them yet😂), and this was coming off of already making name for myself local in early 00’s, did ton of shows, won contest, opened for couple big artist at time at big venues in my city, trunking cd’s around on consignment to indie record stores, paying 1k for every 100 cd’s n making nothing back lol, then I went thru some personal shit for couple years, and had to go “on vacation” and when I came back, isound, my entire email list of fans, the 2 albums I had in there cloud at time, all vanished, think they got bought out n shut down by apple cause of the “I” in name🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️, kinda knocked me back to square one as far as any traction beyond my hometown, and took me too long to learn the new landscape were in now, feel like I missed my window u know, but I’ll always make music for the love regardless
The feeling i am getting is that they want to discourage new musicians/artists to use tunecore to become an independent artist. First they come with new rules like only getting payments when you get 1000 or more streams in a year, then they throw off a few successful independent artists... Seems like discouragement to me. What if the music industry is behind all of this. Trying to get people signing record labels.. The war against independent artists.. But.., i might be wrong.
31:41 He's using the infrastructure he's created to ALSO distribute music directly to streaming platforms, and thus bypassing "unnecesary" companies like Tunecore
8:06 totally agree with this point! I don’t always agree with what you say, but I leave it at that and accept we have different views. It doesn’t make me not watch you vids or unsubscribe. As we agree on a lot of things and your entertaining even if we don’t see exactly eye to eye on everything
They removed my EP “2/24” because my single “badder in person” that I had been to radio stations promoting, had numerous women sharing and postin videos singing the record, and they said since the single had more streams than the rest of the 6 other songs it was suspicious of bot activity, took all of my monthly listeners, my 2 prior projects 100k streams + and they couldn’t believe the traction? SMH ask me did they pay me for my streams
"Harry Mack - my flow emaculate! hazardous! a venomous maverick! everlasting with the flows that hasnt missed! attacking you with a battle rap hymn!" - Harry Mack (probably)
I am also interested, so far the options i see people mention is distrokid tunecore cdbaby landr sounddrop. But people i think you wanna avoid distrokid or tunecore. Idk whats the best, im trying to find the least evil one.
The response is an expected corporate bullshit message, of course they would have answered angry if angry was a possible answer from their team. They just passive aggressively humbled the man, that's all they did. They didn't even escalate the cheap customer support they got with anyone important in the company, the message is obviously pre-written bs.
So Ben just made an infomercial about a service that is going to be distributing music on Spotify? While saying he thinks Spotify is a failure and won’t be around much longer? I’m confused.
It's relevant because Benn's service originally set up to handle AI royalties for artists. But now, it's looking to use it to distribute indie artists and cut out the shitty people. It's pretty clear that at least some part of the botted playlists track back to the distributors like DistroKid own practices. TuneCore and DistroKid exist to fleece people, not provide them with royalties. I guess the question is how hard Spotify will go at sabotaging Benn's service.
22:02 the amount of money to the artists would be maximized with everybody else in the chain being squeezed out. saying subscribers should pay more could just end up with middlemen taking more and the artists not seeing any of that increase.
Honestly, if you're confused by Ben's video or loose traction, you maybe should pay more attention to the video than to what's going on in the chat. He dropped some nuggets of eye opening information here that you totally missed.
Someone tell Benn that no one has to platform his music. He's been around for over 2 decades, he should have sorted out his own distribution out at this point.
they aren't paying out enough to the artists because most of what each listener pays goes to the big names. they're in bed with the big names and so they gotta do whatever it takes to make sure most of the money goes there instead. i think that by law, payments for services should be made to pay out based on the money paid in by viewers/listeners. botting is a consequence of pooling money in and out like they do
3:52 ya anytime you hold a short position in a publicly traded company you get a bright red dot on your forehead😢 7:34 seriously this is the cancel culture in action Very few people use the paid spotify service. I sure use the free one
How long (if not already) will it take for Benn’s company to fleece people? He spent the whole video ripping on Spotify and middlemen only to say “hey those guys are bad, but I am a good guy, trust me.” IMO, Benn fundamentally missed the crux of the issue, it’s not that the labels and Spotify are bad, it is that there doesn’t seem a way for smaller artists to protect themselves and act in their own self interest while not being screwed by distributors.
Cracy how they can remove your life work just maybe if they dont like you. Why spotify and apple music have no rule for remove songs. Why they can remove you when they dont line you. Or you meat the daughter of tunecore they remove you whst is this.
he made 250,000 a year for 20 years pretending at playing musician without a label on his knees with the biggest 'game' on-line... then lost a few weeks pay, so what... get some sleep Ben, enjoy a nightmare or two with some proper rem wake-up and write a song about it
Please never run a business. You are EEEEVVVEIL: here is why; you rather allow people to steal then gain their notoriety to keep you safe, bad way of thinking.
@embermist3910 Ben was the guy that jumped until he got on board when he heard Job's speech back in 2003... maybe he didn't see then i-tunes was designed to sink any and all independent produced and distributed chance the super-highway had to offer, and was building towards, for artists
Spotify isn't giving up 70% of the money they make... they own, or are owned, by the companies that they pay out to. That's how this shell game works - the same owners are behind most of the shells. Also, when a thriving company is "always losing money", that doesn't really mean they lost money. It's declared that way for tax purposes, even though they made tons of money. That's an old trick.
@@jasoncruizerSpotify is not
Good.
I was one of those artist that started to blow up in the “lime wire” days😂, there was website called isound back then pre version of UA-cam n iTunes n all, I had like 120k subs, always featured on homepage in top 10 indie artist, and 100k downloads, (but we didn’t get paid for them yet😂), and this was coming off of already making name for myself local in early 00’s, did ton of shows, won contest, opened for couple big artist at time at big venues in my city, trunking cd’s around on consignment to indie record stores, paying 1k for every 100 cd’s n making nothing back lol, then I went thru some personal shit for couple years, and had to go “on vacation” and when I came back, isound, my entire email list of fans, the 2 albums I had in there cloud at time, all vanished, think they got bought out n shut down by apple cause of the “I” in name🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️, kinda knocked me back to square one as far as any traction beyond my hometown, and took me too long to learn the new landscape were in now, feel like I missed my window u know, but I’ll always make music for the love regardless
The feeling i am getting is that they want to discourage new musicians/artists to use tunecore to become an independent artist. First they come with new rules like only getting payments when you get 1000 or more streams in a year, then they throw off a few successful independent artists... Seems like discouragement to me. What if the music industry is behind all of this. Trying to get people signing record labels.. The war against independent artists.. But.., i might be wrong.
"You are the product"
"So please be my own product plz" - Benn
The world is crazy, every one thinks can own 3/4 of ones lifes work.
05:02 Weaver hitting that ❄️
He quit smoking so he gotta do something. Although, do you know how expensive cocaine is in Hawaii?!?
dude lol 110% the eyes watering
@@Positive_Teait’s expensive everywhere
The lack of sleep is taking a toll on his eyebrow
A joke about his eyebrow. How original. 🙄
@@Loscha is it tho?
@@Loscha okay give us a better joke about him then
@embermist3910 exactly
31:41 He's using the infrastructure he's created to ALSO distribute music directly to streaming platforms, and thus bypassing "unnecesary" companies like Tunecore
8:06 totally agree with this point! I don’t always agree with what you say, but I leave it at that and accept we have different views. It doesn’t make me not watch you vids or unsubscribe. As we agree on a lot of things and your entertaining even if we don’t see exactly eye to eye on everything
The point of bots is to increase views so the obvious culprits would be those OVER 1000 streams, so this is an excuse to clear the competition.
Benn's villain origin story. This is how Benn Jordan became Benn Jonkler.
I dont get the joke
@@SjarMenaceunfortunate for you innit
The AI will scrub the entire web for your voice likeness so you get paid. RIP Andre 3000's new career.
9:18
lol,
They removed my EP “2/24” because my single “badder in person” that I had been to radio stations promoting, had numerous women sharing and postin videos singing the record, and they said since the single had more streams than the rest of the 6 other songs it was suspicious of bot activity, took all of my monthly listeners, my 2 prior projects 100k streams + and they couldn’t believe the traction? SMH ask me did they pay me for my streams
"Harry Mack - my flow emaculate!
hazardous! a venomous maverick!
everlasting with the flows that hasnt missed!
attacking you with a battle rap hymn!"
- Harry Mack (probably)
Spotify doesn't need to make money its makes billions for Warner, Sony and Universal and they keep it going to promote their artists.
If Benn Jordan is just a youtuber, then Mike Shinoda is just a Twitch streamer.
Hi all, what is the best/cheapest option to use for distributing music these days? Any advice?
I am also interested, so far the options i see people mention is distrokid tunecore cdbaby landr sounddrop. But people i think you wanna avoid distrokid or tunecore. Idk whats the best, im trying to find the least evil one.
@@MrAw3sum Thanks! I guess which one is the least evil is the best!
I switched to CD Baby after Distrokid stopped allowing me to upload back in November.
yo whats bad about too lost??
The response is an expected corporate bullshit message, of course they would have answered angry if angry was a possible answer from their team. They just passive aggressively humbled the man, that's all they did. They didn't even escalate the cheap customer support they got with anyone important in the company, the message is obviously pre-written bs.
I feel like I already watched this. Is it Groundhog Day?
Own the music
So Ben just made an infomercial about a service that is going to be distributing music on Spotify? While saying he thinks Spotify is a failure and won’t be around much longer? I’m confused.
It's relevant because Benn's service originally set up to handle AI royalties for artists. But now, it's looking to use it to distribute indie artists and cut out the shitty people. It's pretty clear that at least some part of the botted playlists track back to the distributors like DistroKid own practices. TuneCore and DistroKid exist to fleece people, not provide them with royalties. I guess the question is how hard Spotify will go at sabotaging Benn's service.
22:02 the amount of money to the artists would be maximized with everybody else in the chain being squeezed out. saying subscribers should pay more could just end up with middlemen taking more and the artists not seeing any of that increase.
i'm so confused
I'm curious if he's on the verge of starting his own distribution company.
bro are u sniffing white ?
Honestly, if you're confused by Ben's video or loose traction, you maybe should pay more attention to the video than to what's going on in the chat. He dropped some nuggets of eye opening information here that you totally missed.
Someone tell Benn that no one has to platform his music. He's been around for over 2 decades, he should have sorted out his own distribution out at this point.
This is a useless comment and totally besides the point smh 🤦🏾♂️
younger ppl dont GAF about music lets not forget
Braindead comment
they aren't paying out enough to the artists because most of what each listener pays goes to the big names. they're in bed with the big names and so they gotta do whatever it takes to make sure most of the money goes there instead. i think that by law, payments for services should be made to pay out based on the money paid in by viewers/listeners. botting is a consequence of pooling money in and out like they do
Whats funny, is the add below this video for me, is distrokid. Lol
3:52 ya anytime you hold a short position in a publicly traded company you get a bright red dot on your forehead😢
7:34 seriously this is the cancel culture in action
Very few people use the paid spotify service. I sure use the free one
How long (if not already) will it take for Benn’s company to fleece people? He spent the whole video ripping on Spotify and middlemen only to say “hey those guys are bad, but I am a good guy, trust me.” IMO, Benn fundamentally missed the crux of the issue, it’s not that the labels and Spotify are bad, it is that there doesn’t seem a way for smaller artists to protect themselves and act in their own self interest while not being screwed by distributors.
I watch you just to disagree with you, I hate it when I agree with you...which is like 97% of the time...damn it bro.
Routenote all the way
He kept talking shit about them and they have a clause that says if u talk shit u get hit
Just grind harder ben
Reupload?
Ever feel useless? Think of these comment vidéos.
Cracy how they can remove your life work just maybe if they dont like you. Why spotify and apple music have no rule for remove songs. Why they can remove you when they dont line you. Or you meat the daughter of tunecore they remove you whst is this.
First comment :)
1st 1 to coment damn
nuh uh
2nd?
he made 250,000 a year for 20 years pretending at playing musician without a label on his knees with the biggest 'game' on-line... then lost a few weeks pay, so what... get some sleep Ben, enjoy a nightmare or two with some proper rem wake-up and write a song about it
Yeah let's just let corporations rob people blind. I'm sure nothing bad can come of that. You're not that smart buddy, stay in school.
And do you think he doesn`t deserve that money? He should stay quiet and renew his Tunecore subscription for another year? Are you crazy?
Please never run a business. You are EEEEVVVEIL: here is why; you rather allow people to steal then gain their notoriety to keep you safe, bad way of thinking.
@@ArstKoben but school is that place where they make you dumb and benn is still insufferable
@embermist3910 Ben was the guy that jumped until he got on board when he heard Job's speech back in 2003... maybe he didn't see then i-tunes was designed to sink any and all independent produced and distributed chance the super-highway had to offer, and was building towards, for artists