A great sounding tube integrated amp! Cayin CS-55A review.
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
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This unit was sent to me by the Canadian distributor for review but I actually have bought one before that.
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Correction to pricing
USA:
CS-55A with EL34 / USD 1999.00
CS-55A with KT88/ USD 2199.00
Canada:
CS-55A with EL34 / CAD 2599.00
CS-55A with KT88/ CAD 2899.00
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Gear used in this review :
Focal Sopra 2 speakers
Silverline Sonata speakers
Wharfedale Elysium speakers
Magnepan LRS speakers
B&W 702 S2 speakers
Quad 2905 speakers
Verity Audio Fidelio encore speakers
Prima luna Dialog two
Hegel HD30 DAC
Exasound E28 DAC
Mcintosh C47 DAC
KT 88 tubes
6550 tubes
EL34 tubes
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Correction to pricing:
USA:
CS-55A with EL34 / USD 1999.00
CS-55A with KT88/ USD 2199.00
Canada:
CS-55A with EL34 / CAD 2599.00
CS-55A with KT88/ CAD 2899.00
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Thanks appreciate it!
Done.
Will do! I have a question.. have you heard Rogue cronus magnum iii I am wondering if this is comparable.
I am set to buy magnepan 1.7i and adding GR Research triple open baffle sub. I wonder if this or the Rogue would compliment the Maggie's better. I am also looking at the Aries 2 Dac but I'm not sure that will be the best synergy with Maggie's.
Any thoughts would be helpful. Thank you Thomas and as always nice video! Your production value is legitimate my friend!!!
Thanks, sadly I don't have any experience with Rogue. Sorry.
Just listen one time and I say the onbaord dac make me fall in love with her voice.
Thank you so much for a fantastic channel! Also thanks to all the different Misters.
Your welcome and glad you enjoyed it. The onboard DAC has a different sound that I explained in another comment.
I'm really impressed with the Hifi that comes from China lately. It's usually beautiful stuff and they get high scores in reviews. Love it.
Totally agree!
Don't tell some of the American high end brands. They get a bit upset!
This is why my Cayin LA 34 now sounds wonderful with either the 4X PsVane el34 tubes or the 4X Mullard el34 tubes together with 2X PsVane 12au7 gold pin and either 1x JJ Ecc 803S gold pin or 1X PsVane 12ax7 gold pin. It took time and patience trying out many tube brands, but I am now fully satisfied and comfortable with the wonderful sound of this Cayin LA34 at 32 watts per channel matched with a Marantz cd6004 and the small 120W Wharfedale Diamond 10.4 Floorstanding speakers in my bedroom. All these I bought brand new in mid 2014 and are still playing beautifully today 2 to 3 hours per day.
I like to imagine Thomas dancing like no one is looking when Crystal Eyes starts playing
lol.
Guess what? When he’s dancing he’s probably nude and nobody watching ..... 😜
Ryan you’re a bad... bad ! boy
Thomas, can you also share your perspectives on the DAC and phono stage on this unit? I can't find anyone covering it. Thanks again for a great review.
Cayin and Line Magnetic sell their products at less than half price in China, or say the distributor sales over 2x the price in the US. Manufacturer does not sell 110v version for regular customer so that you cannot import them by yourself. The only reason they can get away with this is because the tube amps manufactured in US are so freaking overprice, proper 300B amp starts at $2000 here while in China it starts from $500 and you can get Line Magnetic 300B amp or better ones at $1000. I get that Chinese labor is much cheaper so it make sense for other brands, but for Cayin(Primaluna) and LM, I just want to point out that the difference is so large it's incredible, even imported full size speakers doesn't have this kind of problem.
u right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A friend of mine in Malaysia bought a Line Magnetic LM508ia, a 300B + 805 SET amp for USD1450 direct from China. While in the states, dealer price is USD4000. I think the dealers take a big bite.
Warranty, Power regulations / certifications and so on bump up the price significantly. It's not an even playing field comparing a grey import with an official export version.
Big, big thanks, Thomas, for your sincere words.
Waiting for the tubes to warm up is not work. Tube rolling is not work. This is all fun and part and parcel in owning tube gear. Thank you for this Thomas.
True true, all part of the fun!
Thomas, your in depth review on this and the one where you compare it to two others was highly instrumental in making a most perfect purchase. The Cayin CS-55A with KT88 tubes makes my Magnepan LRS's and Zu Audio DWmkiii's sing, dance, project, engage and blossom like nothing else. Thank you to you and your buddies for doing such a deep dive on a bunch of integrated tube amplifiers. I'm so happy!
Congrats. Really glad you are enjoying it.
Thanks Thomas nice review ! I can not tell ya how much I love that 3d holographic imaging thats the icing on the cake ! Why I love KEF speakers and only owned 2 of them thats sad ! Waiting on LS60s !!!! 😆
Excellent review, and thank you for always putting in 200% for your reviews! Your reviews are always well thought out and thoroughly investigated by bringing in your friends to test in various setups!
Thanks Simon, yeah just to make this video, it took me 3 days of filming and editing. Not to mention all the time listening, meetings and traveling. Glad you noticed I put a lot of effort into it and in this case, for free.
@@ThomasAndStereo Keep up the great work! We can't thank you enough
Cayin amps look gorgeous! Their 845 amp seems to have proven an 'end game' purchase for several buyers according to reviews I've seen. It would need to be at the price mind you. I made my 'end game' purchase last year and went back to solid state after tubes for several decades. I wanted the convenience of an all in one streamer/amp/phono stage box and it sounds great with my new hi end speakers. I got my twenty something year old Audio Innovations 500 amp serviced before I gifted it to a friend. I hooked it up to my new speakers with my really high quality new cables just to compare. That was a mistake I think. I realised I just prefer the sound of tubes and here I am watching tube amp reviews some months later.
seems interesting i got pulled to the more power side on sunday. i went from looking at lower power stuff to now i think im either gonna buy parasound
23+ or 21+
Thomas...youre the man. I like your advice and enjoying the experience of tubes. Im a new tube-head, but I enjoy screwing around with different components to see which make my tube amp and speakers shine. Im at the point that the work up is just as fun and satisfying...especially after everything pays off with beautiful sound coming out your system.
I agree. My Cayin integrated tube amp came with it's own Cayin el34 power tubes, Cayin 12au7 (2 pcs) 12ax7 (1pc). After years of tube rolling I have now settled with either PSVane el34 power tubes or Mullard el 34 tubes. Two PSVane 12au7 gold pin preamp tubes, and a JJ ECC803 or a PSVane 12ax7 or a Tung Sol Ecc803 gold pin depending on the kind of music I intend to listen to. I cannot invest in expensive NOS tubes as I am contented with my chosen tubes. My integrated amp is now 12 years old and performs well, no issues at all.
You convinced me
I was undecided and lost ....about which amp to choose
Not anymore.
I pull the trigger and my new Cayin 55 is on the way.
Thank You for sharing your knowledge
Nice, just keep in mind the Cayin tubes tend to be on the lively side so if you want it to sound smoother and warmer, get some nice NOS.
Thanks for the review ! Which amplifier do you think is better than cs-55 or primaluna one?
I think both are good, they do sound similar based on my memory BUT it was not the EVO line.
Hi Thomas, thanks for your video, very informative as always! Any chance of you reviewing the SC-6LS MK2 premap? The Cayin integrateds have a decent selection of reviews online but this pre is criminally under-reviewed.
@unityoc I don't think so as I have never heard of it.
@@unityoc I would love to get my hand on one, to test with my TS A75 power amp
@@ThomasAndStereo Meanwhile I bought one to replace my solid state preamp, it was discounted to approx. 1,200$ on their official store so not a hard decision. Here goes my mini review: sound-wise it's a clear improvement paired with my primaluna phono stage and class A/B poweramp. Build quality is solid with both a better volume knob as well as a better remote than the Pro-ject Pre Box RS I had before. Talking about that remote, it was dead on arrival but Cayin were super responsive to my messages, gave me diagnostic steps to take to verify the remate was really dead, then shipped out a replacement in record time. Overall I'm very satisfied, if I had to criticise anything I'd say the remote has the usual IR issue of a too narrow arc in front of it in which it really responds to inputs, also the motirised volume knob is a little too coarse for my liking, but of course that's not a problem when operating the knob manually with your hand instead of the remote, there it operates nice and smoothly. Would still be interested in your thoughts of course in spite of now owning this item!
I have a Klipsch KSR 20s and my Tandberg 3012 just died. Would you recommend this app for those speakers? I like midrange female vocals as a priority by not exclusively. Love the cello
Would the Cayin CS-55A be a better choice than the Cayin A-88T MK2 and does it have a smooth rotating volume dial or is does it rotate in incremental steps.
Great review, Thomas! Love the format of going to your friends, showing their spectacular systems with good B-roll footage, and getting their impressions! Very helpful way of doing things.
Thanks, it takes a lot of time but I think it is worth it.
@@ThomasAndStereo
I need some friends like yours! I don't know anyone into audio in the town I am working in currently. I thought I made a wrong turn in Albuquerque but instead I got stuck!
I was born here but I like Las Vegas and the audio scene better.
Yeah, I am really lucky for having a few audiophile friends.
Yes, I know someone with a pair of Klipsch La Scalas from the seventies, but everyone else I know seems satisfied with entry level stuff 😕
I have one with KT88 tubes and loved it so much.
awesome channel Thomas. I know I'm late to the party but I was wondering about the 12ax7/ecc83 Telefunken you mentioned Kanta picked up, do you know which ones? thank you 🙏🏻
John here Thomas, I am a tube guy .new tubes are tight to begin. The electrons need to be awakened. And to get millions electron jumping from cathode to the anode take a 30 hour run in.
So right on tube rolling , after 7 years with 12ax7 EH tubes in my pre I replaced them with JJ gold pins , wow . The EH's are good but the JJ's give better extension in upper and low ranges , clearer and more realistic mid bloom .
Yeah, it makes a difference and thanks for sharing.
That's because you're tubes were 7 years old. Of course their going to sound so much better.🤔
Thank you Thomas. You decided me to move to tubes. But would you recommend the CS55a for sopra 2 ? My retailer told me it has not enough power to drive bass properly. Another budget effort would be required to buy the CS88a. I Wanna keep the accurancy of my sopra 2 by improving the sound stage with a 3D sound filling my room more easily. So, any advice ? Should I do this budget effort ?
The CS55A is not optimal for the Sopra2. Mr Kanta has it as a second amp only using it mostly for Vocals. He has a lot of speakers so he also use it for other amps. What you really need is the Cayin KT150, sure that one sounds solid state but it is really dynamic. Wait for my review on that. Else, your other option is the CS100 and that is probably like a EVO400, I will talk about it maybe in an upcoming video.
@@ThomasAndStereo While you’re in this neighborhood, could this amp drive Ohm Walsh adequately?
Thomas thanks for this video and exploring gear out of China. I bought this from MusicTeck, which has amazing customer service, last Friday and got it Wednesday which is remarkable. Arrived in perfect condition. Set it up next to my long time McIntosh C2200 and MC402. Plugged it into my Aerial Model 8B which are not that efficient (86db) 4 ohm speakers so I was not expecting too much. First few hours my impressions was well it's good, better than expected. After about 20 hours my Mac gear is sitting on the floor. This thing is unbelievably good! Playing through the Aerials, it has more top to bottom, mids are more lifelike, the volume levels are insane for this "low" watt amp. The only thing the Mac stack has over this little integrated tube amp is bass control and more power which I seldom use. Please review more of gear out of China that are high quality like Cayin.
Hi Thomas, did you connect the Elysian 4 over 4 or 8 Ohm to the CS-55A? 4 Ohm should be standard, but wondering if you tried 8 Ohm?
Hi Thomas, I have the Wharfedale Elysian 2 (and love them) with a Musical Fidelity M6 500i integrated amp. Just ordered the CS-55A to experiment more with tubes. How did you like the Elysian 4 and Cayin CS-55A combo? Would you suggest different tubes or maybe the CS-88A ? I will use an external DAC (Audio GD Reference 5.32 with 4x Burr Brown PCM1704UK chips.... also a hidden gem).
I was surprised it actually was able to drive those big speakers. Of course, ideally you would want more power but it all depends on your budget. Have you also checked out my Doge 10 and R8 review? I forgot what ohm did I connect it to but I go by what the speakers suggest usually.
Great review! Thomas. Can this amp drive B&W 704 S2 or dali opticon 8? Which one is better?
Dear Thomas, finally you tested a CAYIN, I have at home a A-50T that is basically the same CS-55A without the PHONO and DAC (I use separate components), I prefer the EL34 over the KT88. I have used lots of tubes, now using Genalex KT77 with Genalex 12AX7 and EH 12AU7. The KT77 has a lager plate so it is pretty similar to the KT88, it gives more puch without losing the sweetness of the EL34, but probably the new MULLARDs are the nicest sounding I have tried. I almost always use the amp in TRIODE mode because its better for imaging and sound stage, I don't hear at high sound pressure levels, I will go to ULTRA LINEAR if I want to rock the house. I drive DALI RUBICON 6 speakers 89dB sensitivity and the combination is made in heaven, needless to say the RUBICONS are 3 times more expensive than the amp. Most people don't know, but Prima Luna gear is built by CAYIN, just look inside, same components, finish, labor, design(?). I also own AUDIO RESEARCH gear, but if you take in to account what you pay and what you get, I think CAYIN is impossible to beat. The ARC sounds better (slightly) but it cost me 16K USD, 8 times the price of the CAYIN! The CAYIN CS-88A is about the same power that the CS-55A but is on a higher level, that amp is really amazing. There new model is the CS-150A that uses KT150 tubes and is 100 watts RMS, I would love to try that one!
Thanks for letting me know and wow, you even have a $16k Audio research amp to compare. Yeah, it really depends also on the speaker you have and a question of taste. Some will prefer the EL34. I might get the Cayin 845 to try soon and I am quite excited about it. I personally would love to try the CS150A but my only concern is would it sound like solid state with KT150 tubes.
@@ThomasAndStereo The 845 is an SET full class A with no NFB. A beast, I just drool with the sound of SET. They are not for everybody because they have limitations, 22 watts, but matched with the right pair of speakers you will be in heaven. Certainly not an amp for bass heads, but the sound OMG the sound is so beautiful and even though they are not cheap but I don't think you can get even near paying triple with a SET made in else where. If I had the money I would get the CAYIN M-845i.
Thomas & Stereo. Hey Thomas, the 845 is great for sensitive speakers, but for the likes of LS50 (85dB), check out 805 based tube amps like Line Magnetic 805ia (or 508ia in some countries).
Hello Thomas and friends. Kind request: I have a Cayin cs 55a with original tubes. Please let me know what tubes you recommend for upgrade. Thanks.
Would you recommend this amp for LS50 Meta speakers? Currently using my beast Parasound HCA 2003. I used to own Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum, but sold due to health issues. I loved listening to tube amps. Please advise.
Thanks so much for the review, Thomas. I’ve had my cs-55a (kt88) for maybe 18 months now, and absolutely love it. I find it amazing for live acoustic recordings.
I almost always run it in triode setting, and still running the stock tubes, but will swap them out for some Gold Lions soon. I’m also really intrigued with the 6550’s. Maybe I’ll raid my Christmas fund, haha.
Thanks again.
Scott
Thanks for the feedback.
@@ThomasAndStereo Hi Thomas. Something I didn’t mention in my initial comment was, I’m a long time Marantz devotee, and it wasn’t until after I purchased the Cayin that I found out it was modelled around the Marantz model 8b. I’ve never been lucky enough to own one of them, but I’d be interested if you had heard them previously? Also, I’d like to pair up with the matching CS-55cd. Unfortunately they are very difficult to source here in Australia. I noticed you swapped out the original tube, but overall would you recommend the unit?
Kind regards
Scott
I have a Cayin cs 55a with original tubes. Please let me know what tubes you recommend for upgrade. Thanks.
Great review Thomas. Your comment about Cayin’s holographic imaging...does the Willsenton R8 have similar imaging capability?
Ah, I heard it a few weeks ago for a short period. From memory yes but let me get back to you when I get it back. (Wait for my review) I remember it did not sound like solid state and it was pretty good.
@@ThomasAndStereo Looking forward to your review of the Willsenton R8!
I’m also looking forward to the Willsenton R8 review!
I preferred the sound from the onboard DAC when compared to the separate.
It is leaner sounding and as a result, the soundstage is more spacious.
Are you sure you need better sounding gear or do you need gear that's more portable? I don't get to spend enough time listening to my $2000 systems, even if I did, I can't sit still but for so long. I have much more time to spend with my wireless buds than my big $$$ (to you very low $$$) systems.
@@kohnfutner9637 To each his own. It sounds like your lifestyle fits a portable system. My lifestyle doesn't. And for me, sitting still is a luxury. :)
@@kohnfutner9637 I can relate to that. I spend more in front of my computer listening to my desktop speakers than my system in the living room.
Thank you for doing this review; I bought this amp 6 months ago, but haven't seen more than 1-2 reviews. I learned a lot from your video, as always, so thx a lot. I use the Ares ii Dac with this amp and they suit each other perfectly. What do you think about the headphone output?
Thanks, I am not a headphone guy so I never tried it. So you prefered the Ares II over the onboard DAC, nice!
Seriously, that's an excellent review Thomas. I am VERY tempted.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it.
Love your reviews Thomas.
I plan on connecting a turntable to this unit but until I do can I connect my I-phone straight into the DAC input or use the line input?
Thanks, I don't know if the USB port will support usb from Iphone, sorry. Straight into the line input, it should work but I don't have an iphone to try.
I have to agree totally with what you say in regards to 3D holography. Five years ago I did the plunge and bought the Cayin A-88T Mk2. That model too is switchable KT88/EL34. I Opted for the Mullard EL34 version. Every day I'm blown away how holographic and fantastic the sound is. It's impossible to have a quick session without wanting to carry on listening.
Nice, I need to get my hands on more Cayin integrated amps.
Is A-88T better than the CS-55?
@@aleksandarstojceski3139 one level up
Hi tomas Please if its ok to ask How does this to compare with the BOYUURANGE 300B A50 MARK III tube amplifier,,another excellent video ,please let me know ?
Thomas you make a very good point about it taking work to get a system to sound good. It just doesn't just apply to tube gear. I remember an owner of a local boutique audio shop telling me that many people would come back to him and tell him that the system that they bought just doesn't sound good in their homes. System matching and synergy is everything in this "hobby". Once someone moves beyond budget gear things are more complex.
That to my ears is your best sound demo yet, I really like it. I may have to ditch my solid state for tubes. I really liked the musical paradise Dac demo also a while back. I'm starting to think i prefer tubes which seems like an expensive rabbit hole to go down.
Hi Thomas, can I ask your opinion. If this tube integrated amplifier can drive well Muraudio sp1 speaker? The Muraudio sp1 speaker is from Canada. Thank you.
Those are high end speakers! I probably would pair it with something higher end. Wait for my Cayin 845 and cs100 review instead.
Pentode/Triode vs Ultralinear/Triode. Is Pentode far superior to Ultralinear? If so why?
Thomas is it worth it to skip the KT88/EL34 Cayin amps and go to their 300b/845 amps?
The 300b amp is $600 more expensive than KT88 amp, and the 845 is $1600 more expensive than KT88. Yeah the tubes are more expensive to replace but it's not a big deal.
My speakers are 91dB sensitive (6 ohms) and they are relatively neutral. medium size room and not a loud listener.
I will be talking about the 845 , cs100 and maybe cs88 in an upcoming video.
@@ThomasAndStereo Thank you so much! ❤❤.
I am torn between the Cayin A-845 ($2.9k) and the A-88t mkii Reference ($1.9k). 24W vs 48W. Speakers are the Triangle Cellos 91dB/w in a 12×17ft. room. 72-88dB listening.
I had a Cayin/Spark 734 for 10 years and loved it. Sold it, but will get a new Cayin tube amp one day and the CS-55A is a prime candidate.
the CS-55A is a very good choice. you can switch power tubes from the KT88 and EL34's. I can connect to a turntable as well, and can feed any floorstanding speaker in the 150 to 200 watt/speakers, those that are in the 88db sensitivity and up.
Beautiful unit! I appreciate your review. I want to try tubes but I don't think I am ready yet.
Something all audiophiles need to do before they go to audio heaven.
I have the Cayin A-88T and I love it! Better than my Primaluna Prologue 3 and 5 amp/preamp combo! Your description of the CS-55A seems applicable to my A-88T.
I am surprised you find the A88T outperforming the Prologue. Now I am really curious!
@@ThomasAndStereo Teammate I love the Prologue 3 pre but the Prologue 5 amp is very midrangy. I will do some tube roling to see if that changes and let you know!
Hi Thomas... I was in the market for a hegel h120 or a nad... But for the price now I can probably grab one of these. Id be using the amp to power the mains (kef R700) from a hybrid HT/hifi set up.
What should I do?
The endless debate between solid State and Tubes. There is no 'correct' answer. It really depends on each person and you need to go listen to some tubes to see if it is for you.
@@ThomasAndStereo Too true. I find having a tube pre to add in to my ever growing SS collection is a nice option when things get too crisp. Still haven't climbed out of the Modi 3 rabbit hole yet either. Can't say any arrangement of components sounds better/best - they all sound different and yet great. Cheers from Denver!
So Thomas this amp and Magnapan LRS, could be the end state for most? Can you provide a list of all parts for this end state? Very interesting.
will these drive klipsch floor speakers r 820f speakers? also i want to hook a subwoofer too , can i do that?
You cannot hook a subwoofer to this unless you use REL subs. I will be making 4 to 5 more video on tube integrated amps and two of them will allow you to connect subs to it.
@@ThomasAndStereo Maybe you could address pairing for Ohm Walsh speakers 🔊 in the future. 😁
You should try the 6ca7/ kt77 instead of el34 straight replacement the kt77 is stronger in the bass and the top end with a more airy feel JJ electronics kt77
When you say the tube amplifiers sound like solid-state what rectification are they using solid-state I'm assuming do you know what type diode rectifier?
Yeah, I should try KT77. Well it was using 6 - 12AU7
8 - EL34 that tube integrated amp that sounded like SS. I have to look at the specs.
@@ThomasAndStereo hahaha regarding that particular tube amp you mentioned (which i believe i own) actually i realised with the stock tubes, just by changing the speaker tab from 8 ohm to 4ohms on my 8 ohm speaker, i was able to "unlock" the sound and make it sound dreamy and rounded off in a tube like fashion! With larger and more 3d sound stage. Sounds like i bought a new amp :p Not sure if you tried changing the tabs on it!
Hey guys, what are you talking about? Only primary impedance of output transformers are the same for KT88 and EL34, but NOT the main power voltage. Thinking of rolling tube is good idea, but you forgot the voltage. The KT88 are powered at 520V. If you put EL34, they will die after a few days or at best a few weeks as their peak voltage is 470V. If you put EL34 instead KT88 on this amp, they will heat A LOT as they are purpose to be powered less. ONLY amps that have a switch between KT88 and EL34 can accept both tubes because they have two secondary voltage on the power transformer and move from 450V (typical) for EL34 or 510V (typical) for KT88. You will never have good result putting a EL34 on a KT88 amp, not mentioning the tubes can crash even after a few hours if the KT88 are powered at 550V for example (if so the EL34 won't pass the day).
However the reverse is possible, you can plug as much as you want KT88 on a EL34 amp. But they might lack of dynamic, but will be safe.
@@marcprili279 haha i dont know about the details. But the said particular amp above that Thomas mentioned has a switch to change between kt88/kt120 abd EL34. So thats not a problem. It does change the sound quality too (i forgot to change once) -- sounds less tubey and airy/dreamy at the wrong switch.
Thomas, need your advice. I am saving up to buy a Dynaudio Heritage Special. Would the Cayin CS-55A be a good match for the Dynaudio? The speaker has a 85dB sensitivity. Thanks in advance.
I would say you need more power than that.
@@ThomasAndStereo got it. I love the sound of tubes. A few years back, I had a pair of Antique Sound Lab AQ-1009 845 monoblocks driving Hyperion Sound 938. Heavenly music. Vocals are so life-like. I can still remember that emotions! Hence, I want to stick to tube amps.
Edited: Can you please recommend a few amps or bookshelf speakers to match the Cayin or Doge 10 for evaluation? Of course, I won't buy based on blind recommendations but your suggestions will definitely be a great place to start. Thank you.
Another outstanding review. As always, most appreciated.
I do have a question regarding the Cayin vs Primaluna. I am ready to take my next (first step actually) into the world of tube integrated amps and am torn between Primaluna and Cayin. I will most likely be looking at the A-100T from Cayin and either the Prologue or the EVO 300 from Primaluna. They will be connected to a pair of Zu Omen MK2 speakers, which are pretty sensitive and easy to drive. I am looking for that "luscious tubey" experience and wanted to know if you had any suggestions on which direction to go. I know both products are very well built and both have dealerships here in the US. Any advise that you would be willing to share would be greatly appreciated. Cheers Thomas and thanks for all the great videos. ✌️
Thanks, you know what, let me also try the R8 on the Zu speakers before I comment on this. Just message me in the R8 comment. I would guess Cayin is better value because they need to compete on price. I prefer prologue over Evo although evo has a cleaner sound.
Hey Frank, what did you end up going with? And how are you liking it now on the semi long term? Thanks! I'm considering PL and Cayin as well. 🙂
Hi my friend, wondeful job! query, I have the Cayin CS55A with EL 34 and the Linton, do you think it would be a level upgrade to change it for a Naim XS2? Thank you, greetings 🙌🏻
It will be different but not sure if it will be an upgrade. Have you consider trying KT88 instead with it? I prefer it way more with KT88 or 6550. You can also try KT77.
Thanks 🙌🏻
Nice video Thomas, nicely done as always. I really wish that I could try those KT 150's in my Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum 2 Integrated Amp, I bet it would sound great.... ( PLEASE try and find a different song to use when u demo something at the end of your video's)....
Thanks, the only reason I use it is because it is copyright free material else the video gets demonetized. If you can find another one for me, that would help.
Dear Thomas, between the CS-55A & Yamaha AS2200, how do their speed & bass control compare? I am thinking of replacing my AS2100 for a more "tube" presentation, but hopefully preserve the speed & bass control of good solid-state. Should I replace my SS amp for a tube amp, or add a tube preamp in front of my AS2100? Thank you very much.
There might be a better solution for you. I see that the Yamaha has a main in, I think if you use that, it will bypass the preamp. So get a tube preamp and use it with your as2100. That way, you can change from ss to preamp whenever you want. Sure, might not be as holographic but probably a good compromise. Of course double check the manual to be sure what I said is true.
@@ThomasAndStereo Yes, the preamp section on the AS2100 can be bypassed. I was looking at the SoundArtist tube preamp & then found out you will be reviewing it! Looking forward to your review before I decide.
What are your thoughts on pairing these with high sensitivity, full range speakers like Omegas? People always rave about pairing those speakers with low wattage SET class A amps but I'm wondering how this would pair and sound.
Thank you for this man. Im ordering one for my focal aria 926 today
Nice, remember to let it break in. If it still sounds a bit forward, change the tubes in the front first. Keep in mind forsure this unit sounds good. We were able to get it to sound good even with a Sopra 2 with careful tube rolling. There is a lot of potential with this. Hopefully, the stock tube is good enough as I spent most of the time listening with stock tubes.
Hi Thomas, correct me if I'm wrong, cs-55a doesn't have pre-in? , so I want to try cs-88a
sonically what's the difference between them ??
Thanks
BIG difference. I will make a video on it.
@@ThomasAndStereo dude that's awesome, I can't wait for it ;)
Excellent review Thomas, thank you. In October I get the Cayin CS88A (for Proac D30) I would like to know your opinion, if possible please.
I never heard it but please let me know. For a Proac D30, yeah you would need at least that level and up.
I have a Cayin cs 55a with original tubes. Please let me know what tubes you recommend for upgrade. Thanks.
@@geoiorgoset7946 Hi, I currently have the Mullard EL34, RCA 5692 red base, 6SL7 General Electric. I like how it sounds. At the end of February I will receive the Tung Sol EL34 valves and another 6550 quartet of the same brand. I just uploaded a video of my current set. Regards.
@@andik777Arme Thanks a lot! Have a nice day and enjoy the music!
Yet another very good review Thomas, particularly the sound dem: I could not really tell much difference between the two, maybe the bass was a little stronger with your Exasound, that's the trouble with only having headphones to listen with, thanks
Can it drive my Sonus Faber Sonetto III, 4 ohm, 89db?
I'm just beginning my hi-fi journey and considering this amp. Is the in-built DAC adequate or should I be looking for something separate like a denafrips pontus?
The built in DAC is adequate in the sense it is slightly on the lean side but you get spacious soundstage with it. With an external DAC like SMSL that I tried with, I got more 'meat on the bone'. Change the tubes to get a warm sound, Cayin tubes are on the lively side.
@@ThomasAndStereo I'll keep that in mind. Thanks for the help!
Thomas: I’m looking to get monoblocks and considering Schiit Aegir vs PS Audio Stellar m700. I know they are in different price ranges. My current speakers are KEF LS50 but that could change. Looking for something that can handle demanding speakers, even the LRS ribbon speakers, and is considered something that I can keep and use with more expensive speakers for a long time. Something “true to source” which I guess would be considered “neutral”? Or is there other amp that I should consider instead?
I think if you want something that can handle demanding speakers, Aegir might not be the way to go. I have never heard m700 so I have no idea. If you want something to drive LRS, you need power.
I've decided I'm going to buy every product that you say sounds good. *Runs out of money in 2 weeks*
that's the downside of this hobby. need to be well heeled. Definitely need to be drawing a wage above the national average. An entry level speaker or amp or DAC starts at USD$500. That's not a small amount for a lot of folks, but it's considered entry level gear, and that's only a part of the hifi chain.
2 days for me
Hi Thomas - this was an excellent review. As an owner of the Cayin USA 55T MKIII integrated I can attest to much of what you had to say about Cayin. You mentioned that there were some newer tube amps out that sound more solid state than tube. Which brands are you thinking of? Is Rogue Audio might on that list? How about Prima Luna? Thanks again for a great review.
I like the older Prima Luna, the EVO series sounded a bit too solid state for me but I only heard it at my friend's place. I have never heard the Rogue Audio.
I have a Cayin cs 55a with original tubes. Please let me know what tubes you recommend for upgrade. Thanks.
Hi Thomas, I was wondering whether there are any (affordable) integrated tube amplifiers with tape in AND out? I can't seem to find any.... Any insights, tips? Much appreciated!
I don' know any with both.
What connections you use for using the internal dac? Which dac/brand is inside?
Thomas can you please give me your brief impressions on the Cayin 55 vs the Cayin 845 tube amp? I thought the 845 video will be this week's video but it seems it's not. I have to make a purchase decision these days and I am not sure which amp I should opt for. The price difference between the two is not an issue for, they're just completely different designs (pentode PP vs SET).
Unfortunately there are no any online impressions about Cayin's SETs.
My speakers are the Triangle Cellos 91dB/w (8-3 ohms) in a 12×17ft room with 72-88dB listening.
Thanks and sorry for annoying you :(.
Can you send me an email at turbotan@gmail.com, let chat offline as this can go back and forth.
@@ThomasAndStereo Thanks!! I will send it now. I didn't send an email before because it was for business inquires.
Thom, when it comes down to it, your preference: Tube or Solid State? What is your go to type of media for playback? Analog or Digital?
I usually use tube preamp and SS power amp. If my speaker is efficient, I am ok to use all tubes. I use digital mostly.
Hi Thomas! Love your videos! I’ve bought the Musical Paradise MP-301 and Cayin CS-55A based on your reviews. Still burning in the stock Cayin tubes on the CS-55A and wondering what brand EL34 tubes would you recommend for a typical warm “tubey” sound?
Wow. I personally did not get a lot of chance to use it with EL34 as I liked it more with KT88 but I noticed I am starting to like EL 34 more now
@@ThomasAndStereo I know you and your friends prefer the KT88, which came with the set. Can you advise which brand of EL34 has the warm "tubey" sound?
Sorry I don't know. I did ask them and this is what they said. I don't know if 6ca7 can be use in the CS55a but you can research it.
"EL34 sounds more tubey/warm compare to KT88 or 6L6...and the rest.
If your friend found his EL34 on the bright side. He should try US made 6ca7. "
Hey Thomas long time fan always good to see your "analytical" balance with the fluffy stuff What is your opinion on the black Ice F22 amps ? their company seems pretty legit being in the biz for a long time with great pricing,but I can't get a read on them.Thoughts?
I never heard them before so I don't have an opinion, sorry and thanks for watching.
@@ThomasAndStereo I believe they are the old Jolida brand ? they certainly have a very unique business model and it seems a great reputation.
Do you know if can you connect this amp to a turntable and if so would u you think its a good choice? I'm looking for a entry level tube setup for vinyl and think this may be a option. Is there any particular speaker you would recommend for this tube amp? Also do you think this amp requires a Dac besides the one that is built in or is that going to be enough, if not is there any Dac you would recommend with this setup? Would be really thankful for help!
I run a Denon DP300F with a Sumiko Pearl MM cartridge on the CS55A and I have no complaints.
@@mikecampbell68 Thanks a lot for the awnser and letting me know that it works. What setup are you running when it comes to speaker and preamp? How do you like it, does it ouput good sound and how would you describe it?
@@erikhansen3159 I bought the CS55A about a year ago and would buy it again. I have it paired with Focal chorus 726s. At half volume the dogs will leave the room. The sound stays very distinct throughout the volume levels.
If I have a complaint it would be that this setup is not delivering as much bass as I would like. With that said I have ordered a Cambridge solo phono preamp in the hopes it will boost the bass a little. The reviews say it should. Wish the amp had a separate sub out and a line level out for the Teac reel to reel for recording. This is their base model amp that was $500 cheaper than the Primaluna equivalent and the vendor included a set of extra EL34s. For the price I can't expect it to have everything. If the Cambridge doesn't add the bass I will eventually get a REL sub.
Wow. The build quality on the Wharfedales look fantastic! In terms of the amp then high praise indeed from all your learned friends. Damn this channel is dangerous, what with you putting all these new expensive toys in front of us :)
Lol, yeah those speakers finishing feels like it is worth $20k.
@@ThomasAndStereo I second Thomas. I own the Elysian 2 (white). But more important, the sound is far better than the price.
How does this compare with the musical paradise integrated amps ? In terms of sound, oh btw i am excited about your rogers ls5 review , i have been saving for the graham ls 3 or the ls 5’s
Nice. This is like 6 times more expensive than the MP 301 so yeah, this one is better. The other one is more 'neutral'
One more thing, those kind of speakers do sound 'different' than current speakers so do audition them before buying.
I have a Cayin CS-55A as you know it has internal DAC. If you compare its internal dac with Denafrips Ares II what would be outcome? is it worth to get Denafrips Ares II? If I use it with Denafrips Ares II, how do you compare Doge 10's 3D sound? Thanks Thomas....
I don't have my Denafrips anymore but I did try it with the other DACs I have reviewed. Those other DACs do give more body and warmth to the presentation. In comparison, the internal DAC sounds 'lean', however what I noticed is that it is not a bad thing. Despite it being leaner, it sounds more spacious and more 'lively'. I guess this is normal since if you add more 'thickness' to the presentation, you lose space. Ultimately, both presentation are good and it is just a question of taste. The Doge 10 3D sound is one level up from the Cayin BUT it is not necesary better because the Cayin can melt my heart but not the Doge 10. I will probably film a 3 way comparison this weekend.
@@ThomasAndStereo It will be great Thanks Thomas....
Hi Thomas.I have heard some rumblings about this amp.Thanks for the review.
Thanks for watching!
Hi Thomas
I was delighted to watch your review!
I bought some time ago the Cayin CS 55A /Buchardt S40 speakers and Marantz TT15S1 turntable .
I enjoy so much my records from the 70’s
My speakers are a 4 ohms but I listen into a 8 ohms set up.
As you have already reviewed the Buchardt S40 as well .
At 4 ohms will have enough power to run it?
Thank you!!!!!
My very best
Thanks. I never tried it with the S400 so I don't know but it seems you areally enjoy it.
Great review Thomas!
Just wondering how this compare to Schiit Freya +? At the moment that were my eyes are set on getting.
Thanks from the Philippines!
Freya+ is a preamp and this is an integrated amp. So you would need to get a poweramp with the Freya+.
@@ThomasAndStereo Sorry, I mean the Freya+ and Aegir combo. Thanks
@@TheRawneck I would not know as I never heard that combo. You probably will not get the same roundness and holographic soundstage but you get more speed, bass control and so forth. Just guessing here.
Would this cayin be good enough to run a pair of focal 936 k2?
Hi Thomas - or community-tubes are great - What are the bookshelf 🔊 speakers in the background? Thanks
Sonus faber toy.
Does it come in 110 volt power supply
I'm searching for a Bluetooth tube amp... suggestions?
Hi thomas i need advice.. i am using a diy kt88 amplifier i heard the triode tvr300xr 300b amp with my speakers i like the triode but the thing is the deal wasnt able to materialize due to the price. Now, i am thinking of changing my diy amp to cayin cs55a 30percent cheaper from the triode. I am just hessitant getr8ng the cayin maybe it wont sound much difference from my kt88 diy. What do you think? Shall i go for the cayin? Thanks
Well 300b will give you excellent vocals. Kt88 is a different sound. What do you find missing in your current amp that makes you want to change? Have you seen me comparing all 3 amps from Doge and Willsenton?
@@ThomasAndStereo my current amplifier diy of kt88 is a bit shouty most especially when it comes with male vocals like sinatra natkingcole matt monroe etc. The male vocals is elevated. And also the transformer has a bit humming sound it piss me off whenever i hear it..
@@ThomasAndStereo thank you sir thomas.
The hum part is one thing but if it is shouty, maybe changing the tubes will solve it.
@@ThomasAndStereo thank you so much sir thomas. It helps me know what my goal is. Thank you again
What about KT120s? Can it handle the bigger tubes? Also, what about brand, NOS(Telefunken) vs reissued
(Mullard)versions? How does it compare to the Willsenton R8?
I don't think it will work with KT120 properly. It will probably play but I would not do it. No idea about those NOS as I did nto try it. More refined and neutral than the R8.
Great review Thomas. I was considering getting this very unit for my first taste of tube amplification. Just wondering if it’s possible to connect a sub?
Sadly no. You would need a sub with high level input to pair it with a sub.
@@ThomasAndStereo I run my CS55A by going to the sub 1st then out to the Focal speakers. Sounds great and adds just enough bass that the Focal lacks. Tempting to try KT88s and do away with the sub.
I had the opportunity to test the C-55A with my Sopra 2 and here is my feedback. I can compare it to my current amplifier which is a nuprime STA AMG (D class). With EL34 tubes and for digital audio files (source is Oppo 205), i had to use the UL mode to get some relief on music, but on some traks bass were on the boomy side. So at the end, more feeling to hear a radio FM than a Hifi system (I exagerate but this way you can understand). So I switched tubes with KT88 from JJ. I could’nt imagine that it could change so deeply the result. First I had to use triode mode only which is more transparent. With UL mode it was like a DSP added on music : unnatural. It is due by the fact that with KT88 the cayin became more dynamic, more precise, more airy. Less than with the nuprime, but with a magical added texture on voice that pushed emotions to a next level. The downside is with digital files with many instruments or with bad record quality : it is less alive than with the nuprime, and results can be more or less good, while with nuprime it is more constant. Last but not least, I tried the phono entry. Just one word : FABULOUS. I never heard my vinyls like that. An unbeliveable 3D stage, with very detailed sound. Your speakers disappear and if you close your eyes you immediatly transferred to the concert hall or the recording studio. Results are far better than all my digital files, including very good SACD, even with the nuprime. The dream would be to get this result with the digital files. That’s why I didn’t keep it and continue to search the graal which should be a tube amplifier.
Thanks for sharing your experience. If you were able to get great sound with the phono, then logic would say that the amp is capable to deliver good sound with the right source. Perhaps a different source than the Oppo would do it? Did you try the onboard DAC? Marc, one of my sub was also blown away by the phono. Mr Kanta who also owns a pair of Sopra2 told me with 6550 coke bottle tubes, it sounded great.
@@ThomasAndStereo hello Thomas. No, I didn’t try the DAC of the Cayin. I have to use the Oppo to select my music which is stored on my NAS and Oppo does’nt have any USB output. I was able to compare some tracks I have on both support (CD and vinyl) from normally the same mastering : huge difference.
I bought Cayin HA-300 Tube Headphone Amplifier and I love the Cayin quality and sound image also I used as preamp via XLR cables connect to McIntosh MC462 it produce huge sound stage warm and detailed musics output to Focal Kanta 3. Good product from Cayin with super value for money.
Nice, you have a mc462 with a Cayin.
@@ThomasAndStereo Yes I have Cayin HA-300 and McIntosh NC462 set up now, I was suggested by a good audiophile friend that even best headphone amp can do as good as high end preamp to amp. What I did is that I used 4 bin XLR output from Cayin HA-300 ( that is the best Chinese made tube headphone amplifier " en.cayin.cn/products_info?itemid=112 " ) then use DIY cable 4 pin male XLR output from Cayin headphone then split to a two 3 pin XLRs as input to MC462 XLR input and also using MC462 XLRs output connect to my Focal Sub Utopia Be subwoofer XLR input as sub signal, and my main LR speakers are Focal Kanta 3 connect with MC462. Sources are Astell & Kern SP1000 connect to Cayin XLR input. I know these sets are not typical old school type :)) my set up is mixed headphone audiophile gears with standard HIFI audiophile gears but results of the sound is amazingly surprised. I am debating that do I need desktop preamp at all since my old hobby is headphone gears. By leverage Cayin headphone amp I do not have to spend lot to enjoy tube and solid state in both world ( Headphone & Desktop ). Please share your thought if I have to invest MC2700 or MC53 preamp to MC462 and if you do have experience with McIntosh preamp before what will be you suggestions ( tube preamp or solid state preamp ). My only sources of musics are high def digital files and I do not plan to go to old school of turn table LP gears. Thanks for you comment :)))
Hi Thomas, I’m a new subscriber and I’m totally hooked. Love the approach! How do you think this amp would match with the Buchardt S400? If not the Buchardts then what would be some ideal bookshelves to match?
Thanks, I never tried with the S400 but I remember the S400 need a lot of power. For me, any speaker that is 87db + efficient and not super bass heavy.
@@ThomasAndStereo So if given my speakers are rated 89.5db sensitivity with the specs saying the recommended power is 25 - 120W, well this amp be enough to power the speakers in if in Triode mode (i.e the stated 22W)?
Hi thomas do ypu happen to know who made or what brand is the cayin cs55a factory tubes? Is it psvane? Thank in advance
Sorry I don't know. Given that one of the big tube factory burn down, I think there is only one big company making tubes these days?
@@ThomasAndStereo thank you sir thomas
Hi Thomas you say tube integrated amp like cayin can produce holographic sound stage, so is it also true to say solid amplifiers cannot produce holographic sound stage? Your comments will be much appreciated , thank you.
Solid state can but if you compare amps in the same price, tubes usually does it better and also there is more air with tubes.
Hi Thomas thank you, now I understand better. We are very grateful for you for providing all these free information and reviews, hard work and great work, cheers!
why does the time you listen to the music i.e. at 1 o'clock or 9/10 o'clock make a difference to the sound?
@Thomas & Stereo this was a joke btw
I have had my CS55A for about a year and it still amazes me every time I turn it on. It is almost a daily player for me. I was toying with the idea of going with the Prima Luna because of the auto bias but in the year I have had this amp with the EL34s I have yet to have had to adjust the bias. I think auto bias is overrated for the cost difference. I see it as a nice to have but not necessary to have especially at the added cost difference.
I have a Cayin cs 55a with original tubes. Please let me know what tubes you recommend for upgrade. Thanks.
ok,,so which amplifier,,yaquin, cayin, wilsenton R8? So many to choose from. and Price point of about 1000
Depends the voicing you are looking for.
@@ThomasAndStereo voicing? Type of music I listen too is rock, new and old
@@imagesbyjonevan3890 In a small room with highly efficient 91db or more speakers you will be ok. But in a large room or if you crave volume tubes aren't going to cut it for you, [I have owned tube amps for 40 years - love them but they do have limitations and are very fussy with speakers].
Hi Thomas, did you tried the Psvane KT88 tubes with the Cayin CS-55a? What can you tell me about them ? THanks a lot for your help :)
No I did not. Too busy but maybe later.
Finally I have decided on some psvane el34ph for the Cayin Cs-88a, so I can compare them with the KT88 of the cs-55a. Other users say that the middle zone is spectacular with the El34, so sweet. Thanks again
This week I tested the Psvane EL34PH on the Cayin CS-88a and the result was really impressive. If you have the opportunity to buy some and try it at the Cayin, although I suppose you have already returned it, you will be speechless. I cannot do more than recommend them to all those who want to get the best sound from their Cayin. It is like having a totally different amplifier and of course better My system now sounds better than ever, and I doubt it can sound better
Wow great review Thomas! Also going to check-out the Lumin video again.
Thanks, appreciate it.
How do you think it would compare to Mcintosh 275?
I have never heard the 275 and I wonder if it has the 'older' tube sound compare to this 'newer' tube sound.
@@ThomasAndStereo that may be the answer, I think the 275 is “older” I guess that probably means more color, more bloom?
@@mickywes3733 Probably.
@@mickywes3733 I had a MC-275 and a Cayin A-50T at the same time. Totally different beasts. The MC-275 has a lot more power and is less fussy with speakers. Oddly enough, the MC-275 is a lot sharper / solid state like than the Cayin. I still have the Cayin but the MC-275 is long gone. Not because I didn't like it - but that I simply couldn't justify owning it when something a tenth the price was good enough in the small room I was using it in. In a larger room or when volume was required the MC-275 was far better than the Cayin.
@@tdunster2011 would you say then, at lower volume and in a small room, the Cayin is better?