Why Burnley & Luton struggles 'is not great' for Premier League & Championship | BBC Sport
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- Опубліковано 3 тра 2024
- Shay Given, Fara Williams and Ashley Williams discuss the relegation run-in as they believe the gap between the Premier League and Championship is "too much" for promoted teams.
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Why Burnley & Luton struggles 'is not great' for Premier League & Championship | BBC Sport - Спорт
Teams coming up should be given a free £100M on FFP to buy the players they need to compete. Hitting teams like Forest with points deductions for trying to compete is wrong, especially since Forest came up with so few players left from their Championship squad.
100% agree, totally pathetic that they're trying to hit teams just trying to compete. This entire season underscores the cancer that has crept into the league(s).
Man City can spend hundreds of millions on a transfer window, promoted teams are only allowed £35m loss from the Championship. And they wonder why the league table looks how it does.
That's true and if, like Forest, promoted teams do try to build a squad able to compete they get points deducted for over spending. I get the need to protect clubs from suffering the same fate as Wigan but Forest have an owner willing and able to invest. The only way to implement financial fair play is to cap the spending of the bigger clubs, not lock the smaller ones into relative poverty which sees them go back down.
The rules are there to protect the top clubs and nothing else. If the same rules had come into force 20 ago then Man City would be perpetually in Burnley's position, Chelsea and Spurs would forever be mid-table clubs and Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal would have split the last 20 titles between them. The money men of the league decided that the 'elite' could not be allowed to grow any further, putting their club's future at risk. I am surprised that other clubs have not complained to the government that the 'fairplay rules' fall foul of monopoly regulations in the UK - probably because most of the owners are getting financially rewarded by the PL. Its the fans who are getting stiffed, but no-one really gives a stuff about them.
Don't get me wrong, it's a good idea that smaller clubs futures should not be put at risk by unrealistic, out-of-control spending by a board of directors frantic to stay in the PL. But there should be some way in which a rich benefactor can put his own money into a club, without any real expectation of getting it back out, without falling foul of the 'fair' play rules designed to protect the elite clubs from having their toes stepped on. And if there isn't, then the only fair way is to give every club in the country the same monetary restrictions on spending and player squads.
Yeah, it is actually pathetic how top heavy the rules are. Can't stand it. Clear officiating and VAR bias too.
forest shhhhhhhh
Now looks like Man city are going to do a deal with the PL. While Everton ,Forest and Leicester all face points deduction its all corrupt.
Forest knew they had to go big, or go home.
Sheffield, Burnley and Luton are all going home. 👋
how can you include luton in the 'looks bad for the prem and championship' conversation when we've spent the last 10 years showing the strengths of our national football pyramid
Being a Nottingham forest I am very happy hopefully we can get over the line and be in the Premier League next season.
I think people seem to forget that last season all three promoted teams stayed up. Although the gap is widening between the Premier League and Championship, we won’t see all three promoted teams come straight back down happen too often!
Exactly this, people in football have short memories sometimes. There are also reasons as to why these 3 have done so badly, largely down to poor recruitment and game management throughout the season.
@@jackcolchester8565 yup, I want Luton to stay but you can't have a 3-0 lead going into the 2nd half.
Flawed thinking. Bournemouth and Fulham had recent premier league stints, decent players, and the benefit of parachute payments, the other one spent £200M and risked it all flirting with PSR rules!!!
See how Ipswich go next season, and the play off winners if its Norwich or West Brom.
@@GretatheEvilGremlinSheffield United and Burnley also both had these, they were both just shit. It’s only really an excuse for Luton
Ffp destroys teams coming up - can’t compete without players bought at same level -
The people who run the game only care about the top 6. I read that even if Forest survive they'll have to sell their best players to comply with FFP., which will obviously weaken the Forest side so Forest, and other teams in the same situation, will never progress. The players who go will be picked up by the top 6 and used as bench warmers.
@@febweb17 Agreed but just shows how short sighted and greedy FA and Prem are - if they treated all teams equally and allowed fair competition they would be raking it in from every team not just he chosen few ……we will lose players abroad in long run - saudi etc. chasing big bucks as player wages and transfers in UK are way inflated because of system..ps Man City FFP probably scheduled around 2030🤔🤣🤣
Widening ffp will only create a bigger divide
Shows the Gap how original 😆
Sheffield united and Burnley had parachute payments wheras Forest and Luton didn't. Luton opted for the yo-yo club option of trying to hope they might stay up but more than likely will go down and then have money for coming back up the following year and a strong championship side. Forest went for broke. EPL punishes that strategy.
I think Luton will likely be able to consolidate as a premier league side within the next 5 or so seasons. I think they’re expecting a few seasons as a yo-yo club. Don’t forget, they were non-league 10 years ago, the fact that they’ve reached the prem at all is astonishing!
I need to check the stats but it seems that there’s just too much yo-yoing going on between the first and second tiers. But what to do about it?
STOP fixing games through VAR. The big6 brown envelope brigade are responsible
No easy answer. Championship quality is lacking overall, thats why premier teams are getting more or less straight back up.
Parachute payments and significantly less tv revenue works for and against clubs trying to compete in the same division.
The gap to premier League is getting wider. Feel sorry to the three coming up to make the numbers and go down again.
Don’t worry, Ipswich are going to survive!
I feel sorry for Ipswich who may have to risk a gamble - leicester and the other side will still more than likely still have parachute money. Ipswich have probably got better losses this year though than forest had.
Both Burnley and Sheff Utd were shocking. Especially when you factor in that both benefited from PL money the season before they went down. As for Luton, probably the only side that dug deep with the little resources they had - non-league just 10 years ago. No PL money, no parachute payments, just a club making every penny count with the signings of the season in Townsend and Barkley. If Luton weren't ravaged with so many long term injuries, things could have been different for them but also blowing 3-0 leads has cost them dearly, even though they have been thoroughly entertaining.
It’s getting more difficult, Forest stayed up despite the last minute and unexpected nature of their promotion but had to break PSR rules to do it. There has to be a free pass for spending in the first year after promotion to allow teams to make the transition in the same way as parachute payments ease the pain of the drop. Leicester and Leeds/Southampton might survive as they still have the premier league infrastructure in place and a number of Prem experienced players but I worry for Ipswich who will be stuck with a £61M loss constraint as will Norwich or West Brom if they make it. If they are not allowed to properly augment their playing squad, or choose not to like Sheffield Utd then they will be straight back down.
'more suited'. Yet another totally disrespectful comment. Don't people ever learn?
At the VERY least promoted teams should be on a par with all the other PL teams concerning allowed losses. The fact losses have to be lower for promoted teams than existing PL teams as a hangover from their previous EFL membership is like tying their legs together before a ball is kicked.
Worth noting that if results on the pitch irrespective of p.poor officiating, were the only deciding factor, Forest would already be home and dry if not for the points four point deduction. The competition for relegation only continues because of off the field shenanigans by the PL - while the real case to answer regarding the 'winners' continues to be mired in opaqueness and zero action by the PL to address it.
it should be home grown players from the area playing for the team only , maybe allow one or two outsiders. then see
There is no team outside those top 7/8 that will stay in that division as a Stoke fan it only takes one bad season or transfer window, and then you're done. Maybe one day will be back, but we will come back down again in no time. The gaps are just too big with ffp involved
Why Manchester City's CHEATING FOR A DECADE is bad for the premier League!! Kick them out of the league.
Easy money by picking low hanging fruit. Somebody has to finish 18th,19th, and 20th! They call it maths.
Not sure why people think its a surprise the gap is to big the top teams needed capping years ago on how much they can spend teams cant compete its never going to change hence why teams have cheated to try and compete but the big teams havent been punished are we sure they are sticking to the rules because there not getting called out on it totally unfair league
Neither are, mathematically dead, given West Hams current form, Luton could save themselves
Nottingham Forest spent tens of millions on new players, got penalised by the Premier League, survived narrowly to avoid relegation - and yet it's Luton and Burnley failings that are deemed as "not great"?
Luton were on the brink of collapse. They were in the fifth tier, outside the top 100 clubs in the country. They've built up slowly, methodically, patiently, and without spending beyond what they can afford. They get to the Premier League, the richest league in the world, and still don't spend tens of millions of players.
They play people who have been with them since the National League. Others from League Two. Another who came on a free from Accrington. And they still weren't a million miles away.
And yet it's them whose approach you label as "not great" compared to the likes of Forest? Who can spend tens of millions and still not be a good team.
Opinions like this are what makes football feel in the gutter. Spend way beyond what you can realistically afford or we'll just belittle you when you achieve above your expectations.
Luton (and Ipswich) are the success story to the EFL, but if you want 23 teams to spend stupid money to yo-yo each year until they can make enough money to finish 15th in the Premier League, you're welcome to it.
That's a great analysis. I'm sick of hearing whinging Forest and Everton fans talking about the "corrupt" Premier League when it's their own clubs who've been corrupt for spending way beyond their income . Let's be honest it's not about catching up with the big 6 it's about staying safely in the Premier League year after year and stopping the smaller clubs like Luton from competing.
@@jimluton6310way more than what they can afford? Are you on your right minds? We were punished because we didn’t want to sell Brennan Johnson for 30 mil and waited for August to sell with 50. Nottm Forest aren’t selling ? Are you in your right mind ? You say that all we want is to survive when the board wants it as clear as it can be to go up again in premier league like we once was. The investments were for a much more better position. How can you say that forest make PL an ugly competition? Jesus, get away from football… by the way I m not from England. So you know that forest have supporters that actually buy form their shop from faaaar away. Luton does ?
PS. And yes they want us to relegate again so we won’t be able to “attack” the big teams in the next 3-5 years. If the communities outside England will become more and more numerous and the prices for tickets will go up then we ll be able to spend.
Burnley spent a fortune fella!
@@jimluton6310I understand your frustration m8 actually and the irony re forest using the word corruption re var is that they have literally been found guilty of corruption or cheating if you want to put it in stronger terms and that aint me being anti nottingham forest btw they broke the rules its not my fault is it they admitted it aswell 🤔
"tens of millions!" Ive told you a million times not to exaggerate!
No the 3 teams have come have been terrible. Leicester and Ipswich will do well and I also think the other teams in play offs apart from Norwich
It’s over and done. Burnley and Luton are gone. The trapdoor is open and they are both just about to fall through it.
Sorry but she has absolutely no idea what she’s talking about
Neither does Company! You make Blackburn fans look intelligent - for fucks sake!
@@winnywin oh the irony of your comment totally eludes you doesn’t it 😄
@@winnywin if your going to insult anybody’s intelligence I recommend you pick a less formidable opponent winny lad
Its all so predictable and boring. So hard for 2nd Division teams to become established in the top flight
Ipswich down already next season.
Manchester City’s lawyers have destroyed the premier league.
Premier league is a closed shop. Boring as hell. 1980s last decade of decent open competitions.
U Redssss
Corrupt Premier League have their favourite pets! we all know who they are. How can teams like Luton and Burnley compete with them? even mid table teams have no chance.
Burnley and Sheff UTD have been an embarrassment! I actually believe the clubs have got relegated on purpose for the massive£100M+ Parachute payments! Which works out more money over two years, IF you keep getting promoted and relegated minus Prem operating costs! Rather than just surviving in 4th place! 😮
I've always said the premier league was the worst thing to happen to English football. The game has been stolen from the ordinary fan and turned into a gaudy corporate circus.
Who's that bird? Joey Barton is right
Get an Americans billionaires..easy
Who is she ? Have some respect for LTFC achievements. Stop all this inclusivity rubbish & put pundits on who have played at this level not some unknown person from women’s football.