Yeah I completely agree, 3 is more for staged scenarios or heavily modded missions, it's more of a template as opposed to how reforger is more of a squad-esque faster paced drop in drop out play that is easier to get into and not as in depth while not being as moddable. Like you say, both good for different things
Going on 5,900hrs in Arma 3. It is the pinnacle of sandbox combat, with the BEST 3d editor in gaming. There is no question Arma 3 will be here years to come. 🔥🔥💪🏻😤🤘🏻🔥🔥
As an Xbox series x player who has drooled over ArmA 3 footage for years and is thoroughly enjoying reforger, I don't see how much better it can be made than ArmA 3. Honestly looks like the best possible game that could have been made. Has the best community. Constant stream of new content from modders and developers. Damn you PC
Fair warning to all; Arma 3 can be extremely addictive and may result in a decade-long dependency. Did I miss a mod review that included full auto pistols? 1:35
I know Reforger has updated graphics, mechanics, etc but I can do the 1980s Cold War scenarios in A3 (with much more to play with) and if I get bored I can put my Star Wars mod list on and liberate Geonosis. Hopefully A4 is similar
Arma 3 will, as you said, be around for a long time. My group had a discussion the other night speculating just how long players will continue to play A3 after A4 comes out. It seems like Reforger is bringing a lot of players that may not have tried the Arma franchise at all without it, and that is a good thing. When they bring the Eden editor, or something like it, to Reforger and add support for more peripherals, I'll be onboard.
@@blufalconactual3807 I concur 100%. I have not switched over to Reforger BECAUSE there is no offline editor sandbox, nor is there a camera mod worth a damn lol Once I get those things I’ll be in
Reforger also feels like more of an advanced development tech demo that you buy into and it's being updated with features and content they will use later along with the fact they are showing the modders more or less what they will be working with or at least thats my take away. I feel we are a good few years off from Arma 4 still and time will tell if it is for better or worse. I don't care for the proprietary integrated mod browser and the lack of a steam workshop option where I just send the guys a HTML and we go. It gives them full control of what they will allow to be modded into the game mostly and there are some benefits I guess but I feel like there's a lot more negatives to that.
@@tonizombie It honestly does. It’s streamlined, but jumping from server to server means downloading entirely new mod packs almost every time lol but that’s just how it is in A3 anyway
I have 800 hours in arma 3 and 700 hours in reforger and I’ve only got a pc relatively recently. Arma reforger is way more fun multiplayer game for me and Arma 3 single player is just phenomenal. I feel like I am still just scratching the surface of arma 3 where reforger I feel well versed in vanilla and modded.
Arma 3 2035 is a goated setting and the movement/systems are better (yes the movement is a bit clunky but advanced positioning is great and soldiers should be a bit clunky).
I prefered the ArmA 2 setting. And the movement felt more weighty, clunky as well, ArmA 3 inherited almost all of it, minus the free aim that I kind of ended up missing as well as the characteristic aiming reticle. At least they have one big thing in common: Both are still being mistaken for real war footage.
@@iplaygames8090 Not in the same way, it just has a progressive up and down slider, nothing like Arma 3 where you could change weapon hands for CQC or lean further right for less exposure.
Don't be put off by Reforger's cold war setting, the server me and my friend play on is fully modern day setting with NVG's, modern vehicles and weapons and all that good stuff
Hard to believe I started playing Arma 3 when I was a Junior in High School and now I’m pushing 30 and still love it as much as I did when I was 16 if not moreso now.
I haven't played Reforger and I'm in no rush to do so. I play Arma 3 for the Eden Editor so there would be no point moving to Reforger. I own all the DLC's, creator and official, and over 300gb worth of mods. My entire Arma 3 folder is over 500gb, it would be hard to move on from that. I am looking forward to Arma 4 though, but if it doesn't have Eden Editor I'll probably still stick with Arma 3.
thats so important for Arma 4. Without a Game-Editor like Eden-Editor (Zeus) and only with the "Gamemaster" in in Reforger, mission design and creating will be worst. The Eden Editor doesn't necessarily need to be reinvented. As it is in Arma3, it is perfectly designed to create a mission quickly and innovatively, and you have everything at your fingertips at a glance or with a click of the mouse. Of course, it has to be created for the new engine, but you should take the Eden Editor as a guide and copy its quick way of working. The game master from Reforger unfortunately looks like it was made more for consoles, but as far as I know, no one is going to create a complex mission or new gameplay mod with a console controller. Eden is easy to use for the most of the Players and Creators - I hope that Bohemia will realise it :)
@Diffie303 I agree eden is basically just works and very usable same with zeus. I didn't like the ui from the new "zeus" on reforger looked ugly They should honestly take a lot from the mod zeus enhanced. And add things from the RTS zeus mod. Not only zeus users will have insane control om a new engine. It's gonna be extremely immersing for the players. One can hope. Oh and improve the AI In all my arma playtime 90% was solo zeus making big battles.
After using the bundled workbench tools for reforger, I find using the Zeus tool extremely limiting. Workbench gives you access to much more in the engine and because it is much more like the various free to access game engines, newcomers are going to find it much easier to pick up.
I have 2000 hours on arma 3 and its a preatty good game but the new mods coming to arma reforger are amazing and overall it has new things and better graphics
@@callateperuano9910 See and I’m glad there’s people that really love what Reforger is doing. I hope, from a mod development lens, that things are better for the mod creators.
Went with Reforger last week as my first Arma. I have been so addicted to it. I have only played Official servers but cant wait to try out modded servers.
I bought Arma 3 when I first got a decent PC again around 2 years plus back. I had previously had a PC back in the Operation Flashpoint era, so a long, long time ago. I really loved Flashpoint in a way you describe loving Arma 3, so much I updated my entire system at the time for when it's DLC released. Eventually got another PC wired up so could play over a home network on the game. Just so much freedom with that game, and after going to xbox after that experience for a number of years, losing all that ability playing just console games no matter how good the story was, was a killer with what I could no longer do. Apart from the graphics, just didn't click at all with Arma 3, rather than buying a game it felt like I had bought a sales brochure. Every cool looking item it seemed was available only if I bought the relevant DLC to which the game constantly reminded off, with boxes popping up on screen naming the DLC. The character was huffing and puffing like a guy who smokes 40 a day after a short run, whilst the Ai team mates legged it off into the distance. The enemy Ai seemed to have aimbot shooting abilities, Op Flashpoint was savage for it's time but this was another level so. Add on top a torturous menu system for the most simple tasks, along with a thousand and one keys, which can be great granted, but here just seemed overkill and didn't add to the experience in being there as an option. Yes, there were great moments, fantastic scenery, being able to get in and drive everything ( if you owned the relevant DLC ) but no destructible terrain and thing other games were now doing. The biggest thing for me though was the lack of stamina as a first impression, even with a minimal character load. Then to find out trying to set up something as simple as co-op required an IT degree..... Just didn't take to the game and it has sat uninstalled in my Steam Library ever since. Perhaps got to that age and been away from the game for that long that no longer wanted to put that amount of effort into just getting the game to do what I required / wanted in the spare time I had, when other options existed. So, can absolutely understand the Arma bug, having experienced it way way back in the Operation Flashpoint days, but Arma 3 just didn't do it for me. Reforger looks now like it might be coming together finally after a rocky start plus it's a time period more akin to the Op Flashpoint days. I've watched streams of both games and both look fantastic, especially Arma 3 night time missions, which can look spectacular but I'd rather watch that game than play it.
7:30 actually Operation Flashpoint: Elite (2005) was a console port of the first arma game and almost bankrupted bohemia interactive (leading to the ignoring consoles for many years)
First I have to say - thank you for your great Vids and Work on UA-cam :) I have now accumulated around 7000 hours of Arma 3 gameplay over the last 10 years. A lot of that was obviously experimenting with the sandbox and the mods and over half of that was in the PVE/single player area. Reforger looks fantastic and is of course more modern and better for current PC hardware with the new engine and performance. I still use Arma3 most of the time and it is still a lot of fun. With the 1000 mods you can do almost anything. I also play Reforger from time to time, but mostly just to see how it develops. Reforger is more of a platform for developers to prepare for Arma 4 and of course also for modders to work with the new engine. That is a very good idea from Bohemia and Arma 4 will therefore probably have a lot of good mods shortly after release. Reforger is currently so good that it works as a complete game. Mostly in multiplayer / PVP, of course. But that's OK - because when Arma 4 launches, most players will jump into a PVP game ;)
I tired arma 3 years ago and just didn’t like the learning curve. Reforger right now is solid. Easy to learn imo. I will say I do need to give 3 a real try again but I’m sucked into reforger
4.595 Hours in ARMA 3 and Counting Every Single day and so much to learn. Jesus can't imagine how many hours i will need to learn all the mechanics . Waiting for Arma Reforger to improve more with Updates, and at same time very excited about ARMA 4 in 2027.
I love reforger, I just cant go back to the older arma titles anymore. I am really looking forward to the new map from operation flashpoint next year. Honestly, Arma Reforger/4 will have the same dynamic as Arma 3 and 2 had with modders transferring to Arma 3 and playerbase too, it took some time but it happened. With Arma 4 being on a completely new and easier to mod engine, I can already see Arma 4 being played far into the 30s, maybe in 40s we get new arma game.
Arma 3 gives alot more flexibility towards the way you can play the game compared to reforger. The amount of aspects of warfare put into this game is great. Infantry, armor, planes, helicopters all with great gameplay detail. There are also many mission types that are very fun to play. The Zeus is there in both games but I personally feel like it has more capabilities in Arma 3 especially with mods like Zeus Enchanced. I really like the distinct atmosphere of Arma 3, its like you can see one screenshot of the game without HUD and you already know its arma 3. I know some people don't really think Arma 3's 2035 setting is good but I personally think its great becouse of its uniqness, many games are set in typical battle torned countries like Iraq, arma 3 gave something different which is a huge island from greece rebranded as a new country and then it released two new completly different terrains excluding the CDLCs which add many more great maps. Reforger is great and I don't hate on it becouse its not meant to be taken as a main arma title but more as a huge preview for Arma 4's enfusion engine. And even as a huge preview it has done better than anticipated thanks to its community. In short I think both games are great although I personally like Arma 3 more and I hope that Arma 4 will give us some of that Arma 3 uniqueness and variety but more of that Arma Reforger freshness in gameplay smoothness and graphics. Btw sorry for my english im not a native english speaker.
I got both couple months ago I haven't played Arma 3 because the DLC's I have been playing Arma Reforger mods are pretty good but only think I dont like about it its the guns i like Insury sandstorm gun play don't get me wrong gun fights are fun.
heya Viper. I've been watching your content for a while back in like late 2022 to early 2023. and you've gotten me hooked onto buying arma. I wanna ask if there any mod recommendations for a beginner like me? cuz I wanna get in on this game when I get my PC.
My issue with Arma 3 is that you can't play it whenever you wish, unless you just play solo. Try getting into a good game, and you're met with Discord Servers you have to join. Okay, join that. Then they're like "So can you be here every Friday?".......... So we only play on Friday........... Na, I'm out. Dead game with empty servers. However, the amount of content is nice, it's just all hollow since nobody plays anymore. Reforger on the other hand is great. You can get a full lobby anytime, day or night. No Discord Servers run by 15 year olds that you have to join either. Just jump in, and start playing Arma.
Joining a group that only meets up 1 day a week just to play arma is a group that I wouldn't join unless they're a community that play other games together then that way you get to know people and make friends. Also anyone with a public server and recruit players into a group is imo yikes. I'm just lucky I joined a group who called themselves I.D.I.O.T.S (Incapable Dickheads In Overly Tasking Situations) and played Arma like 2-3 times a week and now I play with VOID who meet up every Saturday and we play like 2-3 missions in a single session but we also play D&D, War Thunder, Minecraft etc together whatever we fancy. Also Arma 3 has loads of players still as I am typing this they have currently 10,000 Players on right now and 12,500 yesterday, far from a dead game imo.
@@JamesH97Gaming So then you proved my point. You only play on Saturdays, and have to join some random person's Discord Server and show up on time like a Job. I'm out...
Honestly, i kinda wished for an engine upgrade for ARMA3 something like UE5 or Enfusion. Just for the graphics and optimization, ARMA3, when it comes to everything else, is fairly close to perfect. Excluding the AI.
the last time i had people to play with was like 8 years ago i used to be in tactical combat gaming and they had a role play server they basically invented role play on arma and arma 3 and started the gta FIVE M then thats when it died all the modders left for gta 5 for teh rp stuff miss it can you make a video maybe on a good way to find people to play with or maybe servers that are a greta place to start or discords maybe i never been able to find other people to play with since then i also cant make my own missions also
Arma 3 is the way to go. Reforger is a tech demo that allows modders to get their mods together for the new Arma 4 engine pre-release. While it looks great, it does have its issues and is quite limited in scope and scale that Arma 3 has
Awesome vid Viper. Personally, for a new starter, I would recommend Arma Reforger first. There’s a really low cost of entry. More intuitive, smoother, less complex, good PVP to help a noob learn the ropes. Then go to A3 if you want more…WAY more!
As a long-time squad enjoyer, retired CQB instructor, pilot, and loser...i just want DCS, and Arma to combine and share a modern engine. I'd die from excitement.
I have a huge bone to pick with modders & kind of BI as well. From what I've seen, most modders haven't moved to Reforger because of the small player base. But, most of the player base only stays on Arma 3 because the mod library is larger (and I'll admit that private friend servers are easier to create and servers overall are more stable), but the game is horribly optimized & struggles to run at high fps regardless of how powerful your pc is. The graphics & physics are getting dated as well. Reforger isn't just the Enfusion engine proof of concept, it's essentially the live alpha for Arma 4. Like you mentioned (and those of us who have been paying attention know), Reforger will essentially become Arma 4, because Enfusion is the main engine for all of BI's titles in the near future, so all of the modders creations will be useable in every title that uses it. If modders started working with Enfusion, the players would follow and we'd have a hearty mod library available when Arma 4 drops, instead of slowly playing catch-up after release. Plus, the majority of mods in Arma 3 for most of it's life span were ports from Arma 2, so creators could do the same now, but with much more user friendly mod tools. My frustration with BI tied in all of this, is that they keep releasing CDLC for Arma 3 instead of working with these small studios, to make CDLC for Reforger or contract them to help complete features for the Enfusion engine (Reforger) like mortar, various vehicle platform and power grid system mechanics. Also, another overlooked item, that I've seen a couple times, is that the Eden editor isn't in game like the Game Master (Zeus) is, & like it was in A3. But, BI has mentioned, that (at least for the time being) the Enfusion engine toolset is the new, more robust, form of the Eden editor. I agree this isn't the best option, & hopefully they add more scripting & map manipulation features into the game with the game master, so people don't need to swap between launchers just to create complex scenarios. The enfusion toolset should be just for asset, animation, physics & scripting creation.
Great vid 👍 My thoughts: - ARMA 3 for epic battles with loads of vehicles. Much longer gameplay and variety. Harder to learn but more rewarding. No other game can match it. - Reforger for concentrated infantry MP. Looks great but not much different (yet) from other infantry games like Squad
Personally speaking. I’ve spent years now learning Arma 3’s editor and debug functions. I start the game with over 130 mods many of which are extinct now. I feel I am too invested in 3 to move on to anything less than Arma 4
I've got 2000hr in A3 and 2500hr in Reforger. I've left arma 3 behind entirely 😢 I just love my high fps and great graphics. Now that helicopters have actual weapons that pilots can use, I can't say I'll be going back 😂 I've alone 2k+ hours with the huey itself in Arma Reforger. If you haven't picked reforger up. Try it, You won't regret it
I feel like there's no right answer here, i play both and there's not one i enjoy more than the other. That said, arma 3 is 5x bigger in terms of content and ability to create whatever you want. And reforger doesn't have that but it's nice having a big scale milsim that you can play with other people without the need to worry about performance, html files to load mod presets, keybindings and having to use ts3 for radios etc.
ArmA 3 might just still be the perfect military sandbox game all men want, if only it didnt have technical and performance issues, from what i've seen, reforger looks really cool, but for me, i'd have to wait for a good discount. Or just wait for ArmA4... Once it comes out, it'll just be like GTA 6 releasing, for us at least.
Arma Reforger won't even give its player 10% of what Arma3 can give. Arma 3 is generally not correct to compare with any other military game, because it has no analogues, even agter 11 years after release! I can even say more - this game will not even have an analogues in future, even after the release of Arma4! Only if Arma4 comes out and 8-10 years pass, during which the community will make this game so expanded, only at that moment Arma3 will give up its first place...
@@_ZeusWrath_ Yeah it’s really hard to compare Arma 3 to anything else, and I’m sure it’s even harder to build on and expand the Arma universe that satisfies both old and new players.
Arma reforger price is so ass, and not even fully fleshed out, plus I couldn't even run it so I go for Arma 3 even if it's showing it's age, it's still the best looking milsim out there.
Its fleshed out as far as what they said they would make for it. Their roadmap is about completed. It was never meant to be a standalone Arma entry, but merely a stepping stone. Also, it gave modders the tools they needed to get a jump on making banger mods so when Arma 4 launches the workshop will already have some heaters in there.
I am looking for TRUE sniper mechanics. I remember there being a mod for snipers, calculating certain things, but it wasn't all that great. is there a mod which has true bullet drops using the dials properly on a scope, able to calculate properly on the fly?
hey man great vid, on the topic of thousands of mods on Arma 3, I know you enjoy getting realistic jets, Just wondering if you had heard of a game called DCS? Its a great game for combat flying and if you ever need a wingman or would wanna get into it, PLEASE hit me up, I play the game a lot and it would be a honor if you ever wanted to fly. Either way man keep up the good shit!
Reforger is much better at being a GAME that works than arma 3 will ever be. and will improve to surpass arma 3 in mods and community made content in the years to come with the release of Arma 4
I don't have the imagination to pretend Reforge is a good game. I can't even get past 3 hours on Reforge. I'm nearly 18,000 hours on Arma 3. Arma 3 is the GOAT.
Before even watching the video ARMA 3 for the winner. At the moment, reforger is barely a game with a small but growing modding community And id bet alot of money that by the release of Arma 4 (I pray in 3 years) would be a good time to swap already with great mods being ported to it.
To be honest Reforger is a " beta " in my eyes testing the new engine which is great...But I think all we want is " Arma3 with all its dlc's and big mods" on a new optimized engine and bigger everything. Like they say if it works don't change a thing😂
@@killaluggi3623 I’m in that same boat. I do love the direction Reforger is going in many regards, but yeah I’m not nostalgic for 80s Cold War. OFP was a great taste if that, but I feel like OFP was all the Cold War I needed and everything after should be in future.
They should add DLC packs to Reforger to bring it further into the future. Like a Gulf War update which gives the Iraqi faction, then maybe something with Yugoslavia in the 90s, then even into the GWOT. The early 2000s is a very neglected era for shooter games unless you count the games from that time period which are super old now.
@@dylanlowers5236 i personaly love the 2035 setting, maby a 2040 timeline, since we are currently 10 years further along and we therefor know about stuff we couldnt eavan dream up in 2013
Play arma 3 with tons of mods and watch Gunter arma 3 videos. He will make your edited scenarios more enjoyable. Tried reforger and hated it so went back to Arma 3. You can get some amazing animation mods so they don't run like robots.
Still playing arma 3. Reforger lacks so much depth. I will wait for arma 4 to release. Otherwise I will play arma 3 just like I have been playing dayz since original launch.
Arma 3 and Arma Reforger are both fantastic for different reasons. It’s a great time to be an Arma player!
You would think that the advanced of ai would help improve the help of making mod
Agree I play both on the regular! Both are great!
Yeah I completely agree, 3 is more for staged scenarios or heavily modded missions, it's more of a template as opposed to how reforger is more of a squad-esque faster paced drop in drop out play that is easier to get into and not as in depth while not being as moddable. Like you say, both good for different things
@@Adam-kk7nw have you seen ai-generated videogame textures and maps etc? They're boring as hell. Good wholesome content takes humans time to create
yo could i ask what song you used the for the intro
A3 is Legos for adults.
Legitimately though. I went from playing Garry's Mod as a kid to putting several thousand hours into ArmA 3
Literally. I only play the editor to this day, you can do anything
That’s so real, or in my case tactical Barbie I spend way to much time building kits I’ll never use in virtual arsenal lmao
A3 is unoptimized trash.
@@Doodooslingerrelatable build the best armies just only for you but would be a menace in actual pvp
Going on 5,900hrs in Arma 3. It is the pinnacle of sandbox combat, with the BEST 3d editor in gaming. There is no question Arma 3 will be here years to come.
🔥🔥💪🏻😤🤘🏻🔥🔥
@@ViperBATDTF facts brother! I’ll be here playing it another 5000 hours I’m sure!
Hell yes!
Maybe one day Arma4 will be a real game changer.
11500 hours here... Welcome
As an Xbox series x player who has drooled over ArmA 3 footage for years and is thoroughly enjoying reforger, I don't see how much better it can be made than ArmA 3. Honestly looks like the best possible game that could have been made. Has the best community. Constant stream of new content from modders and developers. Damn you PC
Fair warning to all; Arma 3 can be extremely addictive and may result in a decade-long dependency.
Did I miss a mod review that included full auto pistols? 1:35
@@MisconductPilot The pistol is the G19A from the Reaction Forces DLC :)
Misconduct! Dude! You are an Arma3 legend! I used to love watching your KOTH chopper videos, man! Great to see you’re still Arma-ing!
Ayy..
The East Wind campaign deserves soooo much more love
Yeah, Arma 3 lore and unofficial continuations are so good. It's such an interesting future to see and has a lot of very real parallels.
@@grog447 the "futura" setting gets so much unnecessary hate.
Love the expanding lore. I'm currently re-playing the original Cold War Crisis campaign and i'm loving it.
KERRY. ATTACK THAT RIFLEMAN!
I know Reforger has updated graphics, mechanics, etc but I can do the 1980s Cold War scenarios in A3 (with much more to play with) and if I get bored I can put my Star Wars mod list on and liberate Geonosis. Hopefully A4 is similar
Been playing since OFP back 2002. Loved Arma 2. Play Arma 3 exclusively. Thanx Viper for the information...
Arma 3 will, as you said, be around for a long time. My group had a discussion the other night speculating just how long players will continue to play A3 after A4 comes out. It seems like Reforger is bringing a lot of players that may not have tried the Arma franchise at all without it, and that is a good thing. When they bring the Eden editor, or something like it, to Reforger and add support for more peripherals, I'll be onboard.
@@blufalconactual3807 I concur 100%. I have not switched over to Reforger BECAUSE there is no offline editor sandbox, nor is there a camera mod worth a damn lol Once I get those things I’ll be in
Reforger also feels like more of an advanced development tech demo that you buy into and it's being updated with features and content they will use later along with the fact they are showing the modders more or less what they will be working with or at least thats my take away. I feel we are a good few years off from Arma 4 still and time will tell if it is for better or worse. I don't care for the proprietary integrated mod browser and the lack of a steam workshop option where I just send the guys a HTML and we go. It gives them full control of what they will allow to be modded into the game mostly and there are some benefits I guess but I feel like there's a lot more negatives to that.
IMO Reforger handles mods way better for multiplayer, just click a modded server to join and it downloads the mods for you.
@@tonizombie It honestly does. It’s streamlined, but jumping from server to server means downloading entirely new mod packs almost every time lol but that’s just how it is in A3 anyway
@@Viper1Zeroyeah you need to
"click a modded server to join and it downloads the mods for you." you can do that on arma 3...
I just bought arma 3 last week and I already love this game
@@obeliks_potowski Welcome to the best sandbox ever. It’s jank, buts our jank :)
@@Viper1Zero I know something about Arma because my dad played Arma 3 and Operation flashpoint back in the day
@@obeliks_potowski that feeling when kids born when arma 3 came out will be able to play a4 on launch
@@obeliks_potowski Damn, way to make the rest of us feel old...
I have 800 hours in arma 3 and 700 hours in reforger and I’ve only got a pc relatively recently. Arma reforger is way more fun multiplayer game for me and Arma 3 single player is just phenomenal. I feel like I am still just scratching the surface of arma 3 where reforger I feel well versed in vanilla and modded.
0:04 BUT😂🤣
Arma 3 2035 is a goated setting and the movement/systems are better (yes the movement is a bit clunky but advanced positioning is great and soldiers should be a bit clunky).
@@grog447 it’s clunkiness honestly has a charm after a while lol you just get used to it and learn to love it
You also noticed how arma reforger movements seems cartoonish like if it was PUBG or those kiddos games 😅
reforger also has advance movement, if you hold control and scroll your mouse
I prefered the ArmA 2 setting.
And the movement felt more weighty, clunky as well, ArmA 3 inherited almost all of it, minus the free aim that I kind of ended up missing as well as the characteristic aiming reticle.
At least they have one big thing in common: Both are still being mistaken for real war footage.
@@iplaygames8090 Not in the same way, it just has a progressive up and down slider, nothing like Arma 3 where you could change weapon hands for CQC or lean further right for less exposure.
Don't be put off by Reforger's cold war setting, the server me and my friend play on is fully modern day setting with NVG's, modern vehicles and weapons and all that good stuff
if arma 4 isnt in a modern setting i will not be playing it.
Hard to believe I started playing Arma 3 when I was a Junior in High School and now I’m pushing 30 and still love it as much as I did when I was 16 if not moreso now.
Haha right? Time flies in the Armaverse man
damn im a junior in hs starting arma 3 rn lol
If you're like me and enjoy mostly singleplayer. Dont even bother with reforger but if you enjoy pvp you'll like reforger.
Absolutely Arma 3 just for the ability to easily mod. Mods make Arma 3 and bohemia knew that.
I haven't played Reforger and I'm in no rush to do so. I play Arma 3 for the Eden Editor so there would be no point moving to Reforger. I own all the DLC's, creator and official, and over 300gb worth of mods. My entire Arma 3 folder is over 500gb, it would be hard to move on from that. I am looking forward to Arma 4 though, but if it doesn't have Eden Editor I'll probably still stick with Arma 3.
Eden & Zeus editors are a must.
hopefully arma 4 doesn't disappoint
really was disappointed with reforger 2 years ago
thats so important for Arma 4. Without a Game-Editor like Eden-Editor (Zeus) and only with the "Gamemaster" in in Reforger, mission design and creating will be worst. The Eden Editor doesn't necessarily need to be reinvented. As it is in Arma3, it is perfectly designed to create a mission quickly and innovatively, and you have everything at your fingertips at a glance or with a click of the mouse. Of course, it has to be created for the new engine, but you should take the Eden Editor as a guide and copy its quick way of working.
The game master from Reforger unfortunately looks like it was made more for consoles, but as far as I know, no one is going to create a complex mission or new gameplay mod with a console controller. Eden is easy to use for the most of the Players and Creators - I hope that Bohemia will realise it :)
I don't think they'll ditch eden, because that would be the biggest mistake bi makes
@Diffie303 I agree eden is basically just works and very usable same with zeus.
I didn't like the ui from the new "zeus" on reforger looked ugly
They should honestly take a lot from the mod zeus enhanced. And add things from the RTS zeus mod.
Not only zeus users will have insane control om a new engine. It's gonna be extremely immersing for the players.
One can hope.
Oh and improve the AI
In all my arma playtime
90% was solo zeus making big battles.
After using the bundled workbench tools for reforger, I find using the Zeus tool extremely limiting. Workbench gives you access to much more in the engine and because it is much more like the various free to access game engines, newcomers are going to find it much easier to pick up.
arma 3 trust
@@taller9241 Arma 3 GOATed
@@Viper1Zero especially the 80 gb mod file
@@taller9241 bro mines is also 80 gigs 🤣 Mainly cause of RHS and CUP lol
My weird take on it, Arma Reforger for playing MP. And Arma 3 to do whatever, however, and with whomever... and forever.
Yeah that’s about 90% of the player base I’m pretty sure haha
I have 2000 hours on arma 3 and its a preatty good game but the new mods coming to arma reforger are amazing and overall it has new things and better graphics
@@callateperuano9910 See and I’m glad there’s people that really love what Reforger is doing. I hope, from a mod development lens, that things are better for the mod creators.
Went with Reforger last week as my first Arma. I have been so addicted to it. I have only played Official servers but cant wait to try out modded servers.
Great that you’ve enjoyed it! I’m glad so many ppl are enjoying Arma no matter what entry they play
Poor lad. Got boneless imitation Arma for your first title.
@@Slay_No_More one day we'll get a pc😭
@@War_Economy_Enjoyer you can do it. Now is actually a good time to join, parts are cheap. If ya need help I can help ya.
@@Slay_No_More the thing is im 16 and don't gotta job yet bescause imma coward lol
I love the lore of Arma and single player campaigns, but i'm also in a multiplayer community and i'm having the most realistic virtual war experience.
One thing keeps me with Arma 3 instead Reforger - singleplayer content that is still updating by new missions create by people
@@Nacjo_Farmer Arma reforger has single player mode and is constantly being modded by the community. It's not like A3 is alone in this sense
@@JDogDaBoy I mean scripted scenarios and campaigns, not modes like antistasi
Not only that, but the coop and server gamemodes are better in Arma 3 also.
The Arma 3 OSTs fit so well with this video
I bought Arma 3 when I first got a decent PC again around 2 years plus back. I had previously had a PC back in the Operation Flashpoint era, so a long, long time ago. I really loved Flashpoint in a way you describe loving Arma 3, so much I updated my entire system at the time for when it's DLC released. Eventually got another PC wired up so could play over a home network on the game. Just so much freedom with that game, and after going to xbox after that experience for a number of years, losing all that ability playing just console games no matter how good the story was, was a killer with what I could no longer do.
Apart from the graphics, just didn't click at all with Arma 3, rather than buying a game it felt like I had bought a sales brochure. Every cool looking item it seemed was available only if I bought the relevant DLC to which the game constantly reminded off, with boxes popping up on screen naming the DLC. The character was huffing and puffing like a guy who smokes 40 a day after a short run, whilst the Ai team mates legged it off into the distance. The enemy Ai seemed to have aimbot shooting abilities, Op Flashpoint was savage for it's time but this was another level so. Add on top a torturous menu system for the most simple tasks, along with a thousand and one keys, which can be great granted, but here just seemed overkill and didn't add to the experience in being there as an option. Yes, there were great moments, fantastic scenery, being able to get in and drive everything ( if you owned the relevant DLC ) but no destructible terrain and thing other games were now doing. The biggest thing for me though was the lack of stamina as a first impression, even with a minimal character load. Then to find out trying to set up something as simple as co-op required an IT degree..... Just didn't take to the game and it has sat uninstalled in my Steam Library ever since. Perhaps got to that age and been away from the game for that long that no longer wanted to put that amount of effort into just getting the game to do what I required / wanted in the spare time I had, when other options existed.
So, can absolutely understand the Arma bug, having experienced it way way back in the Operation Flashpoint days, but Arma 3 just didn't do it for me. Reforger looks now like it might be coming together finally after a rocky start plus it's a time period more akin to the Op Flashpoint days. I've watched streams of both games and both look fantastic, especially Arma 3 night time missions, which can look spectacular but I'd rather watch that game than play it.
7:30 actually Operation Flashpoint: Elite (2005) was a console port of the first arma game and almost bankrupted bohemia interactive (leading to the ignoring consoles for many years)
Yeah but wasn’t Arma technically. I knew someone would remember OFP Elite on Xbox :)
First I have to say - thank you for your great Vids and Work on UA-cam :)
I have now accumulated around 7000 hours of Arma 3 gameplay over the last 10 years. A lot of that was obviously experimenting with the sandbox and the mods and over half of that was in the PVE/single player area.
Reforger looks fantastic and is of course more modern and better for current PC hardware with the new engine and performance.
I still use Arma3 most of the time and it is still a lot of fun. With the 1000 mods you can do almost anything.
I also play Reforger from time to time, but mostly just to see how it develops. Reforger is more of a platform for developers to prepare for Arma 4 and of course also for modders to work with the new engine. That is a very good idea from Bohemia and Arma 4 will therefore probably have a lot of good mods shortly after release.
Reforger is currently so good that it works as a complete game. Mostly in multiplayer / PVP, of course. But that's OK - because when Arma 4 launches, most players will jump into a PVP game ;)
I tired arma 3 years ago and just didn’t like the learning curve. Reforger right now is solid. Easy to learn imo. I will say I do need to give 3 a real try again but I’m sucked into reforger
4.595 Hours in ARMA 3 and Counting Every Single day and so much to learn. Jesus can't imagine how many hours i will need to learn all the mechanics . Waiting for Arma Reforger to improve more with Updates, and at same time very excited about ARMA 4 in 2027.
Only been playing arma 3 for a year, cant wait for arma 4.... why i didnt go pc sooner will baffle me forever
The console peasants have no idea
I love reforger, I just cant go back to the older arma titles anymore.
I am really looking forward to the new map from operation flashpoint next year.
Honestly, Arma Reforger/4 will have the same dynamic as Arma 3 and 2 had with modders transferring to Arma 3 and playerbase too, it took some time but it happened.
With Arma 4 being on a completely new and easier to mod engine, I can already see Arma 4 being played far into the 30s, maybe in 40s we get new arma game.
Same. I had 3k+ hours in A3, but haven’t been back since AR came out
Arma 3 gives alot more flexibility towards the way you can play the game compared to reforger. The amount of aspects of warfare put into this game is great. Infantry, armor, planes, helicopters all with great gameplay detail. There are also many mission types that are very fun to play. The Zeus is there in both games but I personally feel like it has more capabilities in Arma 3 especially with mods like Zeus Enchanced. I really like the distinct atmosphere of Arma 3, its like you can see one screenshot of the game without HUD and you already know its arma 3. I know some people don't really think Arma 3's 2035 setting is good but I personally think its great becouse of its uniqness, many games are set in typical battle torned countries like Iraq, arma 3 gave something different which is a huge island from greece rebranded as a new country and then it released two new completly different terrains excluding the CDLCs which add many more great maps. Reforger is great and I don't hate on it becouse its not meant to be taken as a main arma title but more as a huge preview for Arma 4's enfusion engine. And even as a huge preview it has done better than anticipated thanks to its community. In short I think both games are great although I personally like Arma 3 more and I hope that Arma 4 will give us some of that Arma 3 uniqueness and variety but more of that Arma Reforger freshness in gameplay smoothness and graphics.
Btw sorry for my english im not a native english speaker.
I play some months reforger, switch back to Arma 3 modded with my lovely eden editor
I got both couple months ago I haven't played Arma 3 because the DLC's I have been playing Arma Reforger mods are pretty good but only think I dont like about it its the guns i like Insury sandstorm gun play don't get me wrong gun fights are fun.
Great video man! Very informative!!
heya Viper. I've been watching your content for a while back in like late 2022 to early 2023. and you've gotten me hooked onto buying arma. I wanna ask if there any mod recommendations for a beginner like me? cuz I wanna get in on this game when I get my PC.
@@phantomx6807 What kind of recommendations are you looking for? I made a couple different videos for new players not long ago :)
@@Viper1Zero anything that can help make gameplay not so complicating?
My issue with Arma 3 is that you can't play it whenever you wish, unless you just play solo. Try getting into a good game, and you're met with Discord Servers you have to join. Okay, join that. Then they're like "So can you be here every Friday?".......... So we only play on Friday........... Na, I'm out. Dead game with empty servers. However, the amount of content is nice, it's just all hollow since nobody plays anymore.
Reforger on the other hand is great. You can get a full lobby anytime, day or night. No Discord Servers run by 15 year olds that you have to join either. Just jump in, and start playing Arma.
Joining a group that only meets up 1 day a week just to play arma is a group that I wouldn't join unless they're a community that play other games together then that way you get to know people and make friends. Also anyone with a public server and recruit players into a group is imo yikes. I'm just lucky I joined a group who called themselves I.D.I.O.T.S (Incapable Dickheads In Overly Tasking Situations) and played Arma like 2-3 times a week and now I play with VOID who meet up every Saturday and we play like 2-3 missions in a single session but we also play D&D, War Thunder, Minecraft etc together whatever we fancy.
Also Arma 3 has loads of players still as I am typing this they have currently 10,000 Players on right now and 12,500 yesterday, far from a dead game imo.
@@JamesH97Gaming So then you proved my point. You only play on Saturdays, and have to join some random person's Discord Server and show up on time like a Job. I'm out...
Honestly, i kinda wished for an engine upgrade for ARMA3 something like UE5 or Enfusion.
Just for the graphics and optimization, ARMA3, when it comes to everything else, is fairly close to perfect. Excluding the AI.
the last time i had people to play with was like 8 years ago i used to be in tactical combat gaming and they had a role play server they basically invented role play on arma and arma 3 and started the gta FIVE M then thats when it died all the modders left for gta 5 for teh rp stuff miss it can you make a video maybe on a good way to find people to play with or maybe servers that
are a greta place to start or discords maybe i never been able to find other people to play with since then i also cant make my own missions also
LITTERALLY NEEDED THIS VID SO BAD!!! THANKS BROTHER!!!!!
Arma 3 is the way to go. Reforger is a tech demo that allows modders to get their mods together for the new Arma 4 engine pre-release. While it looks great, it does have its issues and is quite limited in scope and scale that Arma 3 has
Awesome vid Viper. Personally, for a new starter, I would recommend Arma Reforger first. There’s a really low cost of entry. More intuitive, smoother, less complex, good PVP to help a noob learn the ropes. Then go to A3 if you want more…WAY more!
Agreed! If you enjoy Reforger, you’ll definitely love Arma 3 in its complexity. Though the jank may hit you in the face at times 😂
Arma 3 has the "real flashlight" mod, and Viper1Zero's comment on the mod is worth buying A3 to me 😎
Lmao you saw that huh
yo bro i love your videos ! i am always happy to see your videos !
Glad to hear it my friend!
Answer to all questions.
Yes.
Thanks for the video. Is there a deathmatch in either of these? I'm looking for something like battlefield but more realistic
I have arm 3 but all the dlc’s and I hate the UI, however it is a good game, I should play single player, what mod is best for SP?
As a long-time squad enjoyer, retired CQB instructor, pilot, and loser...i just want DCS, and Arma to combine and share a modern engine. I'd die from excitement.
I have a huge bone to pick with modders & kind of BI as well. From what I've seen, most modders haven't moved to Reforger because of the small player base. But, most of the player base only stays on Arma 3 because the mod library is larger (and I'll admit that private friend servers are easier to create and servers overall are more stable), but the game is horribly optimized & struggles to run at high fps regardless of how powerful your pc is. The graphics & physics are getting dated as well.
Reforger isn't just the Enfusion engine proof of concept, it's essentially the live alpha for Arma 4. Like you mentioned (and those of us who have been paying attention know), Reforger will essentially become Arma 4, because Enfusion is the main engine for all of BI's titles in the near future, so all of the modders creations will be useable in every title that uses it. If modders started working with Enfusion, the players would follow and we'd have a hearty mod library available when Arma 4 drops, instead of slowly playing catch-up after release. Plus, the majority of mods in Arma 3 for most of it's life span were ports from Arma 2, so creators could do the same now, but with much more user friendly mod tools.
My frustration with BI tied in all of this, is that they keep releasing CDLC for Arma 3 instead of working with these small studios, to make CDLC for Reforger or contract them to help complete features for the Enfusion engine (Reforger) like mortar, various vehicle platform and power grid system mechanics.
Also, another overlooked item, that I've seen a couple times, is that the Eden editor isn't in game like the Game Master (Zeus) is, & like it was in A3. But, BI has mentioned, that (at least for the time being) the Enfusion engine toolset is the new, more robust, form of the Eden editor. I agree this isn't the best option, & hopefully they add more scripting & map manipulation features into the game with the game master, so people don't need to swap between launchers just to create complex scenarios. The enfusion toolset should be just for asset, animation, physics & scripting creation.
Great vid 👍
My thoughts:
- ARMA 3 for epic battles with loads of vehicles. Much longer gameplay and variety. Harder to learn but more rewarding. No other game can match it.
- Reforger for concentrated infantry MP. Looks great but not much different (yet) from other infantry games like Squad
Well said!
Personally speaking. I’ve spent years now learning Arma 3’s editor and debug functions. I start the game with over 130 mods many of which are extinct now. I feel I am too invested in 3 to move on to anything less than Arma 4
I felt the same way after trying Reforger. I’ve put about 30 hours into it, but honestly that’s about as much as it held my attention
Hey Viper, I was just wondering if you have any cool naval mods for arma 3?
I've got 2000hr in A3 and 2500hr in Reforger. I've left arma 3 behind entirely 😢 I just love my high fps and great graphics. Now that helicopters have actual weapons that pilots can use, I can't say I'll be going back 😂 I've alone 2k+ hours with the huey itself in Arma Reforger. If you haven't picked reforger up. Try it, You won't regret it
I feel like there's no right answer here, i play both and there's not one i enjoy more than the other. That said, arma 3 is 5x bigger in terms of content and ability to create whatever you want. And reforger doesn't have that but it's nice having a big scale milsim that you can play with other people without the need to worry about performance, html files to load mod presets, keybindings and having to use ts3 for radios etc.
@@Zink971 Both is the right answer lol
love your videos man
Thanks bro!
For arma Reforger I still think the workshop need a overhaul compared to the fictionally and feature steam workshop has
Yeah I’m not really a fan of the big ass UI of Reforger, both in menus and game master. Very console centric. I need my big drop down lists from 3Den
Is the eastwind campaign.... functional? At the moment? Last time I tried it was like three years ago and troubleshooting it was a bit of a process
It’s been functional since launch
Banger vid
Yeah, ARMA 3 is The GOAT!
After 2500h of arma3 IT was time to Go full in reforged
ArmA 3 might just still be the perfect military sandbox game all men want, if only it didnt have technical and performance issues, from what i've seen, reforger looks really cool, but for me, i'd have to wait for a good discount.
Or just wait for ArmA4... Once it comes out, it'll just be like GTA 6 releasing, for us at least.
Arma Reforger won't even give its player 10% of what Arma3 can give. Arma 3 is generally not correct to compare with any other military game, because it has no analogues, even agter 11 years after release! I can even say more - this game will not even have an analogues in future, even after the release of Arma4! Only if Arma4 comes out and 8-10 years pass, during which the community will make this game so expanded, only at that moment Arma3 will give up its first place...
@@_ZeusWrath_ Yeah it’s really hard to compare Arma 3 to anything else, and I’m sure it’s even harder to build on and expand the Arma universe that satisfies both old and new players.
Arma 3 for the win. If/when Antistasi comes to Reforger, I might switch. Hopefully they will have better AI for arma 4.
Check out the the reforger Overthrow mod can run single player too
Arma reforger price is so ass, and not even fully fleshed out, plus I couldn't even run it so I go for Arma 3 even if it's showing it's age, it's still the best looking milsim out there.
Its fleshed out as far as what they said they would make for it. Their roadmap is about completed. It was never meant to be a standalone Arma entry, but merely a stepping stone. Also, it gave modders the tools they needed to get a jump on making banger mods so when Arma 4 launches the workshop will already have some heaters in there.
Hey man!
What is this F-16 with the screens that actually shows something? It's not Firewill's
@@BenchmarkCiA At which part? I had 2 different F-16 mods in this video. Firewills has a “TGP on map” option that puts your target pod on the MFD
@Viper1Zero on 2:08
Quick answer: Begin with 3, jump to reforger if you like 3. But don't uninstall 3.
Eden Editor brought me happiness at my lowest
Same bro
This was an awesome video! It solved many of my questions and for sure i'll buy Arma 3
Which mod did u use to make the sky that blue in colour on Altis
@@raafatah64 Reduced Haze mod
Good timing
I am looking for TRUE sniper mechanics. I remember there being a mod for snipers, calculating certain things, but it wasn't all that great.
is there a mod which has true bullet drops using the dials properly on a scope, able to calculate properly on the fly?
hey man great vid, on the topic of thousands of mods on Arma 3, I know you enjoy getting realistic jets, Just wondering if you had heard of a game called DCS? Its a great game for combat flying and if you ever need a wingman or would wanna get into it, PLEASE hit me up, I play the game a lot and it would be a honor if you ever wanted to fly. Either way man keep up the good shit!
Arma 3 will be the first choice for the next decade!
Make a video flying the A10 and helicopters in reforger!
@@TheDabKing710 If they’ll get TrackIR working with it I will!
Viper, we need a reforger mod list cover...
Reforger is much better at being a GAME that works than arma 3 will ever be. and will improve to surpass arma 3 in mods and community made content in the years to come with the release of Arma 4
As much as I love Arma 3, I really hope that’s true!
arma 3 is so good i can make any mission and i can turn the game into an arcade shooter so much better then reforger
In all honesty Arma 3 is my all time favorite game. I’ve been playing the series since the original OFP though
You and me both, man. Cant play enough of Arma 3!
I don't have the imagination to pretend Reforge is a good game.
I can't even get past 3 hours on Reforge.
I'm nearly 18,000 hours on Arma 3.
Arma 3 is the GOAT.
Before even watching the video
ARMA 3 for the winner. At the moment, reforger is barely a game with a small but growing modding community
And id bet alot of money that by the release of Arma 4 (I pray in 3 years) would be a good time to swap already with great mods being ported to it.
Expeditionary force DLC is coming ... Reforger will wait 😅
I’m 45 seconds into this video, reforged for multiplayer arma 3 for that single player experience
perfect video by perfect arma 3 youtuber
To be honest Reforger is a " beta " in my eyes testing the new engine which is great...But I think all we want is " Arma3 with all its dlc's and big mods" on a new optimized engine and bigger everything. Like they say if it works don't change a thing😂
I'm going into cryosleep and waiting for ArmA 4.
@@theQuickRundown lmao I wish I could fast forward to release
I wanna love reforger, but the cold war setting is just boooooooring and there are almost no 2035 mods i could find
@@killaluggi3623 I’m in that same boat. I do love the direction Reforger is going in many regards, but yeah I’m not nostalgic for 80s Cold War. OFP was a great taste if that, but I feel like OFP was all the Cold War I needed and everything after should be in future.
They should add DLC packs to Reforger to bring it further into the future. Like a Gulf War update which gives the Iraqi faction, then maybe something with Yugoslavia in the 90s, then even into the GWOT. The early 2000s is a very neglected era for shooter games unless you count the games from that time period which are super old now.
@@dylanlowers5236 i personaly love the 2035 setting, maby a 2040 timeline, since we are currently 10 years further along and we therefor know about stuff we couldnt eavan dream up in 2013
need that post contact setting
Dude, there are like a million modern mods and multi player servers for Reforger. There’s even a 1991 Iraq map and server
Can Reforger be used without an internet connection?
@@garner2267 I’ve never tried but I think so?
Just buy both (I bought both and play reforger cuz I never even opened arma 3)
Play arma 3 with tons of mods and watch Gunter arma 3 videos. He will make your edited scenarios more enjoyable.
Tried reforger and hated it so went back to Arma 3. You can get some amazing animation mods so they don't run like robots.
His videos are incredible, I’ve used many of his awesome tricks!
Absolutely both! 😊
THE GOAT IS HERE YALL, what a pleasure.
Eden Editor!
@@OhItsThat positively GOATed
Long story short: both. Play both.
Absolutely both is the best answer!
How come youve changed the thumbnail?
@@slava944u I tested 2 different thumbnails, and this one was 35% more interesting to people so I changed it
We goin get a new Creator DLC. QRF is goated
Are there rabbits taking dump on a flightline? If yes, I'm playing Arma3 tomorrow.
Those things shit everywhere!
Still playing arma 3. Reforger lacks so much depth. I will wait for arma 4 to release. Otherwise I will play arma 3 just like I have been playing dayz since original launch.
Make a video of the best mods for Arma Reforger
ARMA 3 IS THEEEE ONLY GOOAAAT!! (next to arma 2 idk. never played it cuz i was born after it)
are they 64-bit?