Sixty years ago when I was 13, I was given a Kestrel chick to care for. As far as I can remember, I don't think there were any regulations about having these birds. I raised him as a pet. He was a wonderful pet. I had many wonderful experiences with him. Gradually, I allowed him more freedom, to where he freely flew around the neighborhood and gradually caught his own food. He would come to me when I called him or blew a police whistle. He could be several blocks away, and he would come. I didn't need to reward him with food to get him to come to me. He roosted in a large shed near our house. Gradually, he reverted to the wild, spending more time away. I would then maybe see him every two weeks. At last, he had his freedom and he was on his own. Sixty years later, I still carry him in my heart.
My male Harris definitely likes to get a pet behind the head from time to time and will lower his head for it, but he will also stomp his foot (usually 3 times) and grunt at me when he isn't happy about something. It reminds me of a toddler throwing a tantrum.
I really think the purpose of the narrative is to set expectations for new falconers. The trick is learning to outgrow it and recognize that the relationship won't be mammalian, but it can be a special bond.
I wouldn't expect a mammalian relationship but I freakin love raptors and I'd love to hunt with one, see it fly, and hold one. Idk if I am financially capable of owning a bird and go through all the red tape etc...
Big 👍 to you Ben! I absolutely agree. I flew my kestrel through the 2 molts I had her, and I am doing the same with my red-tailed hawk now. I completely agree with what you said with Raptors having emotions. My haggard Kestrel would be ridiculously fat after a kill, and still flutter her wings wanting to be held when I walking into her room. And these Falconers who put there bird in a mews - that is void of all light - and do not interact with their birds for 8 months? I am sorry, but that is wrong. And I am sorry if you are one of those falconers, but......... These birds HUNT THROUGH THEIR MOLT PEOPLE! I get making sure they come out of their molt and go into the next hunting season with good looking feathers is important, so dont "hunt" them!! Simply putting them outside on their perch each day - and fly them to the fist or lure for exercise - will do you a world of good, and will not be putting that bird - or birds - in solitary confinement for months on end simple because "its that time of year". By interacting with your birds, you will come out with a much more trusting bird and an even truer friend. I love the video Ben. Great work as always! 😁👌
Nice vid, you just put my thoughts into broader words. I experienced the same blindness with my European blackbird. When I got him I knew thrushes aren’t very social and he would probably be like a tank fish to watch and nothing more than taking food from you. I kept this way of thinking until one day I came to Frank’s cage and he said clear, beautiful “hello” to me, like a parrot! I was shocked. He’s the only blackbird I know to be able to speak. I’m still shocked because he seems to know “hello” is for greeting someone who pops up near him. It’s not just a stupid copying one word, he knows when to use it. After that situation I realized there were many many more of them but I was blind and just hadn’t seen that. Frank is an amazing bird, way way more intelligent than I thought he could be. He’s not like a parrot to put up and be petted but he’s still very contact and loves to see people around. Also, I can’t wait to see your review on Matthew’s kestrel book! I hope one day I could get this bird and I’d love to start preparing for that!
With Ben’s kind permission, I’m posting that signed copies of my books (“American Kestrels in Modern Falconry”; “In Season: A Louisiana Falconer’s Journal”; and “Four Falconry Fundamentals”) are available at Western Sporting. Kindle and print-on-demand editions of some titles are also available.
I could not agree more. I am flying my first Kestrel and she is much more pet like than my PRT. She is in the house 24/7 which I think adds to the bonding. For the record, I fly her every day and I am serious about my hunting
I love your videos, you always show falconry from a different angle and you have an open mind to comment on it, there are many prejudices and biases in falconry and you address issues that not everyone touches on, greetings from Chile
The thing is people assume pet means like a cat or dog. I think thats the problem. In my opinion a pet isnt a super friendly animal who wants to cuddle and spend all its time with you, Its any animal that you take care of that lives with you. People who own reptiles understand this more. You can have an animal that hates you or doesn't want to interact with you and still totally enjoy that animal and having it and taking care of it. Any animal or falcons dont make bad pets because theyre not super friendly and cuddly they are just more effort that is all. I always thought owls were so cute and would be a cool pet, then I looked a little bit into it felt it wasnt for me because it was a lot and forgot about them. Later on they came back to my mind and I looked more into it and species and everything and in the end I decided that with some work this was something that I could do and was pretty into. There are still a lot of other species of falcon I think are cool that I dont want to get because I know I can not take the best care of them based off their specifc requirements.
Great video Ben.. One thing that falconers do that I think can be harmful. Is that we often transfer our emotion on to the bird, meaning If I am sad, frustrated, mad, happy, etc.... , then that is how my bird feels, which is not true. However, I believe they are sensitive to our moods, body language, etc.. and are able to pick up on that. Birds express their emotions through preening, bathing, yawning, stretching rousing, how they eat, singing and other noisies etc....
Black and white thinking is one of the greatest detriments to intellectual thought. That being said, anthropomorphism is also pretty high on that list.
My Harris’s is practically a pet during the molt but turns into a huge game hawk once that molt is done. I do think it’s best to think of them as a hunting partner than a pet.
As I prepare to train my own falcon, I have been reading and meeting fellow falconers. The connection is deeper because there is cultural relevance. Falconry has been used for hunting, and it is still conserved as it carries a sense of identity - tradition, sport, status, and wisdom.
Great video as usual Ben. Your hard work is greatly appreciated! The perspective, information, and experience you provide has been tremendously helpful.
Just wanted to drop a quick note. Have been following you vids and podcasts for a few years and have really enjoyed and found them useful in my own practice. Particularly enjoying your vids on Harris’s hawks. We have mhh and a Fhh which we fly as a cast with great success and enjoy your insights into the psychology and behaviour of birds and the more broad discussion points in falconry like this episode. In the Uk we are largely unregulated and since lockdown have seen a huge growth in dabblers entering the hobby to get an exotic pet only to put their birds on the market six months later ☹️it is interesting to compare with the USA and to see which framework is the most effective. Keep up the good work. Neil from Cwmbran, Wales.
Great video! I've always wanted a Perrigrin Falcon since watching "MY SIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN". Now I'm almost 50 and hope one day to fly a falcon and agree that building relationships within the comfort and parameters allowed by each individual animal enriches the life of all involved.
I have a long bit to say on this but stick with me. I like raptors because honestly, I relate to them because I have autism. I don’t like being touched too much. I’m very sort of like, I enjoy just sitting together in a room with someone Vs too much constant chatter and touching. Too much constant stimuli can at times overwhelm, irritate and tire me if it’s too much. I typically have never been too keen on owning dogs myself because of this too (playing with other peoples is short term so it’s fine and I have nothing against them, just not for owning myself). Dogs are so easy to think of as affectionate because while there are exceptions many are in your face asking to be petted. But enjoyment of each other’s company is not only the visibly overt signs such as enjoying petting (in my opinion). After experiencing the world in a sort of more quiet and reserved way, it’s made me examine that maybe some animals are just more inclined to do it that way themselves too. I enjoy being around a bird even if it’s less visible because I’m not expressing it by petting the bird, the feeling is there either way, it’s just harder to see. You have to look carefully and deeply and think about it. Many cat owners have described to me how their cats always gravitate to whatever room they’re in and sit with them. The reflects an active desire to be around their owner. And in the wild I’m sure many animals perhaps like the security of being simply in the presence of another even if there is no active vocalising or cuddling etc taking place. Perhaps even raptors. They still at the end of the day find and stay with a mate. That mate is a companion who helps them survive, so surely there’s a possibility they can enjoy their mate being close/get a nice feeling from it. It is easier to miss these more quiet forms of affection but I feel like there’s a good chance they are there. I volunteer for a place that cares for rehomed birds of prey and there is a retired falconry Harris hawk. He has a habit of every time I come to clean his aviary deliberately perching into the back of my hood on my hoodie. He will wait by the door to do so. Once he did a big cross sounding squawk when I came in without one after trying to settle on my back and failing. I don’t know what else you could call this than some form of enjoying another’s presence without it involving active petting. Even if he’s only getting enjoyment via using me as a perch of some kind and not taking it to some deeper level of liking me as a person, he’s still eager to interact with me in some way. That still feels significant. Thank-you for such a thoughtful and interesting topic Ben. Take care!
I am keep my Harris hawk manned during moult, he will step on the glove at fat weight, go out side , sit on his perch and enjoy the day . I like to keep him entertained with enrichment, he does seem to enjoy it , when it comes to hunting we go 7 days a week and he is very happy to fly at high weights and follow on, although he does have that sweet spot. That said as the moult goes on he may decide to not step on my glove, then I will leave him, hopefully he will carry on. Interesting subject.
I agree with your ethics. Big 👍 to you! I flew my kestrel through the 2 molts I had her, and I am doing the same with my red-tailed hawk now. I completely agree with what Ben said with Raptors having emotions. My haggard Kestrel would be ridiculously fat after a kill, and still flutter her wings wanting to be held when I walking into her room. And these Falconers who put there bird in a mews - that is void of all light - and do not interact with their birds for 8 months? I am sorry, but that is wrong. These birds HUNT THROUGH THEIR MOLT PEOPLE! I get making sure they come out of their molt and go into the next hunting season with good looking feathers is important, so dont "hunt" them!! Simply putting them outside on their perch each day - and fly them to the fist or lure for exercise - will do you a world of good, and will not be putting that bird in solitary confinement just because "its that time of year". By interacting with your birds, you will come out with a much more trusting bird and friend.
@@calebfalconer8671 thank you, great interesting comment, I definitely cant just leave my hawk on it's own, although I have a nice news and he has a great place to sit , I feel he deserves more.
I remember seeing a study done on foxes and in a relatively few generations, they bred foxes who were very tame and actually started to take on physical characteristics we typically related to dogs (floppy ears, spots, etc.). I wonder with more hawks being captive raised and intentionally or not, being selected for working ability (in partnership with a human) and biddability ( ability to be easily/safely handled and conducive to captive living) if these captive bred hawks might not become over time more adapted to life with humans and of a type that humans enjoy interacting with (and vice versa). It tends to be what happens when humans get involved with breeding animals for themselves. Just wondering what people might or might not be seeing with regard to this.
Look at captive bred goldfinches. It’s taking place in front of our eyes. They’re on the straight way to domesticate and in 50-100 years they may become another species of “canary” - a small, domestic finch with many breeds to choose from. I see they divide into two groups - one goldfinches, particularly nominate subspecies, are bred for their song and they’re going to be ancestors of all future song breeds of goldfinches. Others like major subspecies are bred for color and posture and their song doesn’t matter like with nominates. We already have many mutations available and as the artificial selection grows rapidly they’ll be like color and shape canaries in the future. Some of majors have extremely prominent forehead almost like gloster canaries. Except their physical traits, they started to behave differently than wild goldfinches. They’re more tamed and not as nervous as wild ones. To conclude, I think raptors may follow this path. Some of them will be bred for their hunting value and others will be selected to provide as good tamed pet as possible
Well, a trained hawk or falcon certainly isn't a traditional pet like a dog or a parakeet. I think of my falcon as a high-maintenance pet--like a race horse. But, I've always believed that if a person wants to go to the trouble of learning enough about raptors and falconry that they can pass the falconry exam, then build a mews, buy equipment including an expensive scale, purchase a falconry license and capture permit and find a sponsor all in an endeavor to obtain an owl for a pet--they probably deserve one. After all that trouble, I trust they'll take good care of it.
Nice video. I have a possible topic for you that is related and relevant. I got into falconry in the Stone Age like you. Advise I was given was “be conscious of what you do because it reflects upon all of us”. This has become more important than ever because of social media and people posting videos online. Just something to be aware of.
Not all pet owners are as stupid as falconers think. Some are quite willing to read the books , volunteer, and get knowledge wherever we can , even from reluctant falconers .
Hey Ben. I think you should auction off a painting to raise money for a new computer. I would love a painting of yours and I am sure many would as well.
In full agreement. Its certainly true my harris hawk "enjoys " being around me. Whether that's in the truck, around our small holding, hunting. Why that is, well that's impossible to tell but she's the same at fat weight in the moult so I can't think that it's just food. It may not be "love" as we humans understand it but as long as she is happy, I don't care what her motivation is, it may translate as something along the same lines to her.
I was going to do falconry Then life took a turn . I really don’t have time to since I have to care for my loved ones that are handicapped now . I always loved the raptors of the air. But yes they are not pets I see them as a friend as a relationship. A companion I do have wolves And they are my companions as well my friend etc. I have plenty of land and they come and go as they please and they know I’m their friend as well.
This is a great video! I've worked with hawks, owls, and eagles and they all have their own personalities and preferences. These animals are smart. One of the owls really enjoyed getting scratches on her head, but she was very particular about it. She wouldn't let me do it if other people that she didn't know were around. I never assumed that she was always game for a rub, but would gauge her interest by holding my hand up and moving slowly, and seeing if she was interested. If she was, she'd lean in and let me gently scratch her head. People would sometimes ask me if she liked it, and I would always answer that she was fully capable of letting me know she didn't (since she could fly, had sharp talons, and could bite). Plus, having worked with her for years, I could tell when she was done. And, to top it off, she would lean *hard* into my hand to rub her head herself if I wasn't doing it right. I don't take this honour lightly, as she is fairly shy around large crowds. She trusts and respects me, and I respect her boundaries and don't put her in stressful situations. It's really interesting to see this idea become more popular. As I work in education, especially with young kids, it is my understanding that this emphasis on the idea that the raptors are not pets comes from a safety and protection standpoint. Just because i have a hawk on my arm doesn't mean a 7 year old could. It doesnt mean that this bird is friendly for you to touch. It's something we tell the kids all the time, especially with our smaller, friendly species of owls: these are not pets, they are wild animals. It is so important to draw that line as it has prevented kids from scaring a bird, hurting them, hurting us, or hurting themselves. It's also interesting because the personality aspect of the animals is what most of the public find fascinating. They love stories about birds being silly or stubborn or smart. Anyway. In order to get into falconry, there has to be some sort of interest, intrigue, and respect for these birds. There is some awe there, and that's a good thing! That carries over into the partnership you create with them, because it isn't just one-sided. The birds have a say as well. Some birds just don't like some people, no matter your falconry skills. Some falconers are immediately accepted by any bird. It really depends on both the falconer and the bird. Great stuff!
Just as you said the bit about these animals are cold killers, I read on The Modern Apprentice "These are animals that see you as a food source, not as a source of affection, and they do not give affection back.... Cats, dogs and horses all have a built-in desire for relationships..." good timing! lol
I think the insect falcons seem the most fun. Hunting isn't common anymore but lots of animals people keep as pets eat insects but rapters are different because you have to go outside you walk a dog you have to fly a hawk. If you leave them caged they just die of it
Make some great points. One factor I can think of is that dogs were tools at one point and not pets. The table flipped on that one. Now a days most people don't think of dogs and pets. Pit bulls come to mind as a working dog that shouldn't be a pet. German sherpards are iffy. But, certain breeds of dog were created for certain things and since then, those jobs might have been replaced by soemthing else and they got shoe horned into pet status. Can't see why some personal relationship can't be breached to different species.
I have no experience with birds, but I've spent a few years working with monitor lizards and it's the exact same scenario in that community. A few of my monitors like attention, a few of them don't. Some like chin rubs, one likes back rubs, 2 don't like being touched at all. My Asian water monitor will voluntarily put his head in my hand and I'll hold it and gently rub his face. Every animal is an individual and they're all capable of forming some kind of bond based on trust. Anyone that disagrees either can't read animals well or just hasn't put in the right amount of time or work with the right animal
Hello Man, So I have a small falcon Lesser Kestrel type. He is very mad because he is new to his place and as his place is little small looks like a prisoner for him. I want him to stay in home for sometime so he can be petted but the problem is he is flying ... Can we cut or clip his wings? and is there away for clipping wings? if not clipping then what to do? how to make him stay at home and not leaving. Thanks much
Falconry is the Art of hunting with birds.Pet keeping is nothing related.Anything that helps keep the hawk in peak condition, mind, body and spirit,is positive.. Love the mentoring system you have in the states, should be the same in the UK!
Hey Ben. May I request a video for the absolute best birds of prey to start flying as an apprentice falconer. I’ve been wanting to do falconry and don’t really know what birds would be best to fly without telemetry and is easy (for beginners) to man. Thanks 🙂
I have had that very argument with people in the past. “Animals don’t feel emotions” Its utter garbage. I would say st very least all vertebrates have emotions. Not as complex as our emotions but they are still emotions. Without emotions animals couldnt survive.they would have no fear, if it’s predators they would have no excitement when they see prey, no contentment when they have captured prey and are able to feed and excitement when seeing a potential mate. Emotions are what drive creatures to do what they need to do to live.
Great video and as I was watching it I can't help but think most of this seems just like responsible ownership in general. Might be just because I'm looking into this sport as an outsider with a history with exotic reptiles but a lot of this comes across like the same advice you'd get for various advanced reptiles. The do your research and make sure you have the ability to provide and care for the animal and that for most people you would be better off with a more traditional animal. Even the issues brought up mirror a lot of what I hear in the exotic reptile trade. Like people chasing a trend and buying say a little snapping turtle but being totally incapable of caring for the absolute behemoth it becomes. Maybe Pet isn't quite the right word or term but it seems that common saying of "Do your research and learn if X is right for you" still rings true. Be it bird, reptile, or well any kind of animal
Yep, why should we "cut off" anything that improve the life of the bird. And us! I've heard oh so many "christians" claim that animals have neither souls nor emotions, I guess, because. "We" must be "higher" than the animals, but what a limitation this puts on the possibilities for more understanding, and real enjoyment dealing with other creatures ... BTW, Ben, you've had one Harris' for quite a while, and I wondered how much "social" interaction that you've had with her (?) ? Because Harris' Hawks are quite sociable, it could be that they might show fairly strong 'attachment'? As always, a pleasure, and thought-provoking ... now, off to look at Matthew's channel ;-)
i think its very good to bring this up. Most older falconers are indeed the ones thinking that you have a killing machine. wich is true ofcourse. the new generations is too soft and treat them more like pets. But like you did with the example of the dog why is this so wrong? when you have an affactional bond with your bird you also make a safe place for them. they trust you and maybe even love you in its own way. and maybe thats the whole point, love, an animal is capable of feeling love but all in there own way. but now there is the big difference try to raise a animal also a bird ( owls show the biggest difference) with no love. Just feed them up give them proper food diet but no love. Even not with siblings around it it just sees the food and maybe you. you got a stone cold killer at the end never knowing when it is planning an attack on YOU. now if you raise your animal with love you get it back. cuddle with it. for a bird just set it on your lap when watching tv and just leave it there doing its own thing. falcons like to lay down some goshawks do to. its a position in the wild where they are vulnerable so if they do it on your lap they trust you. they feel safe with you. this doesnt mean that they are not stone cold killers anymore. But out in the field you can trust your bird not attacking you when in a dangerous situation you are the safe and trusted spot for them. For the ones who think this cant ben natural behavior, i would say take a look at the life of a tiger. Its well know how they can be so loving animals for each other when it i breeding time. still they are top predator. in my opinion an animal raised with no love with no affection is a dangerous thing. dont get me wrong if you train your bird to touch their feet from a very young age its a kind of affection. So in the end you do with your bird as you like as long if it doesnt harm its health. you can make it a solid hunter or you can make it a louzy little thing with a more vegatarian mindset (you knwo what i mean here). in the end it are intelligent animals who are capable of affection and love in their own way its up to you how you respond to it and take the consequences
I see ZERO reference to pet ownership in the definition of falconry. I cannot imagine having a raptor in my possession and not allowing it to have warm blood across it's tongue.
it's not about the government controlling pet trade. It's about the fact that they think our birds are worth these extravagant amounts of money that they aren't getting their tax from. I watch an episode of Larry King because Jack Hanna was on. Jack came on there and when ask How much his little Anatum Peregrine he said it was a $50 000.oo bird. That was during a year when I know breeders who couldn't give their birds away. Lost all respect for Jack on that day.
Frank Beebe told me when I started that sometimes you have to find your own path and the bird can dictate that path. I had a saker that loved to be around us, love to come in the house and explore behind cabinets but hated to be petted even with a feather she would bite my hand , not the feather reach past and bit the hand. . Had a redtail that enjoyed being in the house . Most recently had a redtail that hated it didn't want to be inside or around ( he was released a couple years sooner than I intended partially because of this. My Harris's demands to come in for the evening to hang out and watch tv with us. My peregrine was more , meh what ever . each bird is different and I have to be careful with my Harris not to forget that she will express herself with a sharp pair of talons if I'm not careful.
As one how has been interested in Falcory, IT IS NOT A PET! you need to work these things harder than a hunting dog and yourself even harder. These animals demand respect and honor, honestly why don't we see birds of prays as God's?
Sixty years ago when I was 13, I was given a Kestrel chick to care for. As far as I can remember, I don't think there were any regulations about having these birds. I raised him as a pet. He was a wonderful pet. I had many wonderful experiences with him. Gradually, I allowed him more freedom, to where he freely flew around the neighborhood and gradually caught his own food. He would come to me when I called him or blew a police whistle. He could be several blocks away, and he would come. I didn't need to reward him with food to get him to come to me. He roosted in a large shed near our house. Gradually, he reverted to the wild, spending more time away. I would then maybe see him every two weeks. At last, he had his freedom and he was on his own. Sixty years later, I still carry him in my heart.
I love this story. Thanks for sharing
That’s such a cool story thanks for sharing
Great story thankyou for that😊
I love that share!!
So remarkable of a childhood that Kestral wss🌟🤗
My male Harris definitely likes to get a pet behind the head from time to time and will lower his head for it, but he will also stomp his foot (usually 3 times) and grunt at me when he isn't happy about something. It reminds me of a toddler throwing a tantrum.
I really think the purpose of the narrative is to set expectations for new falconers. The trick is learning to outgrow it and recognize that the relationship won't be mammalian, but it can be a special bond.
I wouldn't expect a mammalian relationship but I freakin love raptors and I'd love to hunt with one, see it fly, and hold one. Idk if I am financially capable of owning a bird and go through all the red tape etc...
Big 👍 to you Ben! I absolutely agree.
I flew my kestrel through the 2 molts I had her, and I am doing the same with my red-tailed hawk now.
I completely agree with what you said with Raptors having emotions.
My haggard Kestrel would be ridiculously fat after a kill, and still flutter her wings wanting to be held when I walking into her room.
And these Falconers who put there bird in a mews - that is void of all light - and do not interact with their birds for 8 months? I am sorry, but that is wrong.
And I am sorry if you are one of those falconers, but......... These birds HUNT THROUGH THEIR MOLT PEOPLE!
I get making sure they come out of their molt and go into the next hunting season with good looking feathers is important, so dont "hunt" them!! Simply putting them outside on their perch each day - and fly them to the fist or lure for exercise - will do you a world of good, and will not be putting that bird - or birds - in solitary confinement for months on end simple because "its that time of year".
By interacting with your birds, you will come out with a much more trusting bird and an even truer friend.
I love the video Ben. Great work as always! 😁👌
Keeping a raptor in a cage for 8 months straight without letting it out once? Sounds crazy. So the only interaction is when they feed it?
Ben many thanks for the shout out and nice comments! I agree, re: the bond between hawks and falconers, that "It's complicated!" :-)
Nice vid, you just put my thoughts into broader words. I experienced the same blindness with my European blackbird. When I got him I knew thrushes aren’t very social and he would probably be like a tank fish to watch and nothing more than taking food from you. I kept this way of thinking until one day I came to Frank’s cage and he said clear, beautiful “hello” to me, like a parrot! I was shocked. He’s the only blackbird I know to be able to speak. I’m still shocked because he seems to know “hello” is for greeting someone who pops up near him. It’s not just a stupid copying one word, he knows when to use it. After that situation I realized there were many many more of them but I was blind and just hadn’t seen that. Frank is an amazing bird, way way more intelligent than I thought he could be. He’s not like a parrot to put up and be petted but he’s still very contact and loves to see people around. Also, I can’t wait to see your review on Matthew’s kestrel book! I hope one day I could get this bird and I’d love to start preparing for that!
It’s always a pleasant surprise to see Astrid and I in your videos.
With Ben’s kind permission, I’m posting that signed copies of my books (“American Kestrels in Modern Falconry”; “In Season: A Louisiana Falconer’s Journal”; and “Four Falconry Fundamentals”) are available at Western Sporting. Kindle and print-on-demand editions of some titles are also available.
Go Matt! Absolutely incredible books for falconers or non-falconers alike.
I could not agree more. I am flying my first Kestrel and she is much more pet like than my PRT. She is in the house 24/7 which I think adds to the bonding. For the record, I fly her every day and I am serious about my hunting
I love your videos, you always show falconry from a different angle and you have an open mind to comment on it, there are many prejudices and biases in falconry and you address issues that not everyone touches on, greetings from Chile
The thing is people assume pet means like a cat or dog. I think thats the problem. In my opinion a pet isnt a super friendly animal who wants to cuddle and spend all its time with you, Its any animal that you take care of that lives with you. People who own reptiles understand this more. You can have an animal that hates you or doesn't want to interact with you and still totally enjoy that animal and having it and taking care of it. Any animal or falcons dont make bad pets because theyre not super friendly and cuddly they are just more effort that is all. I always thought owls were so cute and would be a cool pet, then I looked a little bit into it felt it wasnt for me because it was a lot and forgot about them. Later on they came back to my mind and I looked more into it and species and everything and in the end I decided that with some work this was something that I could do and was pretty into. There are still a lot of other species of falcon I think are cool that I dont want to get because I know I can not take the best care of them based off their specifc requirements.
Great video Ben.. One thing that falconers do that I think can be harmful. Is that we often transfer our emotion on to the bird, meaning If I am sad, frustrated, mad, happy, etc.... , then that is how my bird feels, which is not true. However, I believe they are sensitive to our moods, body language, etc.. and are able to pick up on that. Birds express their emotions through preening, bathing, yawning, stretching rousing, how they eat, singing and other noisies etc....
So very true!!!
Black and white thinking is one of the greatest detriments to intellectual thought. That being said, anthropomorphism is also pretty high on that list.
My Harris’s is practically a pet during the molt but turns into a huge game hawk once that molt is done. I do think it’s best to think of them as a hunting partner than a pet.
Interesting. What does he do during the molt that’s like a pet?
Love the thumbnail image on this one 😉 Another great video with valuable information. Thanks Ben!
Seemed fitting! Thanks for being the icon of falconry done right!
@@benwoodrufffalconry Thanks! It sure was a great time.
As I prepare to train my own falcon, I have been reading and meeting fellow falconers. The connection is deeper because there is cultural relevance. Falconry has been used for hunting, and it is still conserved as it carries a sense of identity - tradition, sport, status, and wisdom.
Also, thank you for sharing your expertise, I enjoyed the video on building trust when falcons are on their hunt!
I LOVE your videos. Thanks for putting all the work into it that you do. It's worth it.
Great video as usual Ben. Your hard work is greatly appreciated! The perspective, information, and experience you provide has been tremendously helpful.
Just wanted to drop a quick note. Have been following you vids and podcasts for a few years and have really enjoyed and found them useful in my own practice. Particularly enjoying your vids on Harris’s hawks. We have mhh and a Fhh which we fly as a cast with great success and enjoy your insights into the psychology and behaviour of birds and the more broad discussion points in falconry like this episode. In the Uk we are largely unregulated and since lockdown have seen a huge growth in dabblers entering the hobby to get an exotic pet only to put their birds on the market six months later ☹️it is interesting to compare with the USA and to see which framework is the most effective. Keep up the good work. Neil from Cwmbran, Wales.
Great video! I've always wanted a Perrigrin Falcon since watching "MY SIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN". Now I'm almost 50 and hope one day to fly a falcon and agree that building relationships within the comfort and parameters allowed by each individual animal enriches the life of all involved.
Awesome video, great points made!
I have a long bit to say on this but stick with me. I like raptors because honestly, I relate to them because I have autism. I don’t like being touched too much. I’m very sort of like, I enjoy just sitting together in a room with someone Vs too much constant chatter and touching. Too much constant stimuli can at times overwhelm, irritate and tire me if it’s too much. I typically have never been too keen on owning dogs myself because of this too (playing with other peoples is short term so it’s fine and I have nothing against them, just not for owning myself). Dogs are so easy to think of as affectionate because while there are exceptions many are in your face asking to be petted. But enjoyment of each other’s company is not only the visibly overt signs such as enjoying petting (in my opinion). After experiencing the world in a sort of more quiet and reserved way, it’s made me examine that maybe some animals are just more inclined to do it that way themselves too. I enjoy being around a bird even if it’s less visible because I’m not expressing it by petting the bird, the feeling is there either way, it’s just harder to see. You have to look carefully and deeply and think about it. Many cat owners have described to me how their cats always gravitate to whatever room they’re in and sit with them. The reflects an active desire to be around their owner. And in the wild I’m sure many animals perhaps like the security of being simply in the presence of another even if there is no active vocalising or cuddling etc taking place. Perhaps even raptors. They still at the end of the day find and stay with a mate. That mate is a companion who helps them survive, so surely there’s a possibility they can enjoy their mate being close/get a nice feeling from it. It is easier to miss these more quiet forms of affection but I feel like there’s a good chance they are there. I volunteer for a place that cares for rehomed birds of prey and there is a retired falconry Harris hawk. He has a habit of every time I come to clean his aviary deliberately perching into the back of my hood on my hoodie. He will wait by the door to do so. Once he did a big cross sounding squawk when I came in without one after trying to settle on my back and failing. I don’t know what else you could call this than some form of enjoying another’s presence without it involving active petting. Even if he’s only getting enjoyment via using me as a perch of some kind and not taking it to some deeper level of liking me as a person, he’s still eager to interact with me in some way. That still feels significant. Thank-you for such a thoughtful and interesting topic Ben. Take care!
Love the videos as always, could you do a video of the pros and cons of waking a goshawk Thankyou
I have Matt's book and it's a good one. Great video.
I am keep my Harris hawk manned during moult, he will step on the glove at fat weight, go out side , sit on his perch and enjoy the day .
I like to keep him entertained with enrichment, he does seem to enjoy it , when it comes to hunting we go 7 days a week and he is very happy to fly at high weights and follow on, although he does have that sweet spot.
That said as the moult goes on he may decide to not step on my glove, then I will leave him, hopefully he will carry on.
Interesting subject.
I agree with your ethics. Big 👍 to you! I flew my kestrel through the 2 molts I had her, and I am doing the same with my red-tailed hawk now.
I completely agree with what Ben said with Raptors having emotions. My haggard Kestrel would be ridiculously fat after a kill, and still flutter her wings wanting to be held when I walking into her room. And these Falconers who put there bird in a mews - that is void of all light - and do not interact with their birds for 8 months? I am sorry, but that is wrong.
These birds HUNT THROUGH THEIR MOLT PEOPLE! I get making sure they come out of their molt and go into the next hunting season with good looking feathers is important, so dont "hunt" them!! Simply putting them outside on their perch each day - and fly them to the fist or lure for exercise - will do you a world of good, and will not be putting that bird in solitary confinement just because "its that time of year".
By interacting with your birds, you will come out with a much more trusting bird and friend.
@@calebfalconer8671 thank you, great interesting comment, I definitely cant just leave my hawk on it's own, although I have a nice news and he has a great place to sit , I feel he deserves more.
I remember seeing a study done on foxes and in a relatively few generations, they bred foxes who were very tame and actually started to take on physical characteristics we typically related to dogs (floppy ears, spots, etc.).
I wonder with more hawks being captive raised and intentionally or not, being selected for working ability (in partnership with a human) and biddability ( ability to be easily/safely handled and conducive to captive living) if these captive bred hawks might not become over time more adapted to life with humans and of a type that humans enjoy interacting with (and vice versa). It tends to be what happens when humans get involved with breeding animals for themselves. Just wondering what people might or might not be seeing with regard to this.
Look at captive bred goldfinches. It’s taking place in front of our eyes. They’re on the straight way to domesticate and in 50-100 years they may become another species of “canary” - a small, domestic finch with many breeds to choose from. I see they divide into two groups - one goldfinches, particularly nominate subspecies, are bred for their song and they’re going to be ancestors of all future song breeds of goldfinches. Others like major subspecies are bred for color and posture and their song doesn’t matter like with nominates. We already have many mutations available and as the artificial selection grows rapidly they’ll be like color and shape canaries in the future. Some of majors have extremely prominent forehead almost like gloster canaries. Except their physical traits, they started to behave differently than wild goldfinches. They’re more tamed and not as nervous as wild ones. To conclude, I think raptors may follow this path. Some of them will be bred for their hunting value and others will be selected to provide as good tamed pet as possible
Well, a trained hawk or falcon certainly isn't a traditional pet like a dog or a parakeet. I think of my falcon as a high-maintenance pet--like a race horse. But, I've always believed that if a person wants to go to the trouble of learning enough about raptors and falconry that they can pass the falconry exam, then build a mews, buy equipment including an expensive scale, purchase a falconry license and capture permit and find a sponsor all in an endeavor to obtain an owl for a pet--they probably deserve one. After all that trouble, I trust they'll take good care of it.
Nice video. I have a possible topic for you that is related and relevant. I got into falconry in the Stone Age like you. Advise I was given was “be conscious of what you do because it reflects upon all of us”. This has become more important than ever because of social media and people posting videos online. Just something to be aware of.
Not all pet owners are as stupid as falconers think. Some are quite willing to read the books , volunteer, and get knowledge wherever we can , even from reluctant falconers .
Hey Ben. I think you should auction off a painting to raise money for a new computer. I would love a painting of yours and I am sure many would as well.
In full agreement. Its certainly true my harris hawk "enjoys " being around me. Whether that's in the truck, around our small holding, hunting. Why that is, well that's impossible to tell but she's the same at fat weight in the moult so I can't think that it's just food. It may not be "love" as we humans understand it but as long as she is happy, I don't care what her motivation is, it may translate as something along the same lines to her.
Love your insight. Thanks for making these videos
I was going to do falconry
Then life took a turn .
I really don’t have time to since I have to care for my loved ones that are handicapped now .
I always loved the raptors of the air.
But yes they are not pets I see them as a friend as a relationship. A companion
I do have wolves
And they are my companions as well my friend etc.
I have plenty of land and they come and go as they please and they know I’m their friend as well.
well said, every life got their own path, just need better understanding for both side, to make things work.
Hey first for once to something lol. Great vid as usual!
This is a great video! I've worked with hawks, owls, and eagles and they all have their own personalities and preferences. These animals are smart. One of the owls really enjoyed getting scratches on her head, but she was very particular about it. She wouldn't let me do it if other people that she didn't know were around. I never assumed that she was always game for a rub, but would gauge her interest by holding my hand up and moving slowly, and seeing if she was interested. If she was, she'd lean in and let me gently scratch her head. People would sometimes ask me if she liked it, and I would always answer that she was fully capable of letting me know she didn't (since she could fly, had sharp talons, and could bite). Plus, having worked with her for years, I could tell when she was done. And, to top it off, she would lean *hard* into my hand to rub her head herself if I wasn't doing it right. I don't take this honour lightly, as she is fairly shy around large crowds. She trusts and respects me, and I respect her boundaries and don't put her in stressful situations.
It's really interesting to see this idea become more popular. As I work in education, especially with young kids, it is my understanding that this emphasis on the idea that the raptors are not pets comes from a safety and protection standpoint. Just because i have a hawk on my arm doesn't mean a 7 year old could. It doesnt mean that this bird is friendly for you to touch. It's something we tell the kids all the time, especially with our smaller, friendly species of owls: these are not pets, they are wild animals. It is so important to draw that line as it has prevented kids from scaring a bird, hurting them, hurting us, or hurting themselves.
It's also interesting because the personality aspect of the animals is what most of the public find fascinating. They love stories about birds being silly or stubborn or smart.
Anyway. In order to get into falconry, there has to be some sort of interest, intrigue, and respect for these birds. There is some awe there, and that's a good thing! That carries over into the partnership you create with them, because it isn't just one-sided. The birds have a say as well. Some birds just don't like some people, no matter your falconry skills. Some falconers are immediately accepted by any bird. It really depends on both the falconer and the bird. Great stuff!
Just as you said the bit about these animals are cold killers, I read on The Modern Apprentice "These are animals that see you as a food source, not as a source of affection, and they do not give affection back.... Cats, dogs and horses all have a built-in desire for relationships..." good timing! lol
I think the insect falcons seem the most fun. Hunting isn't common anymore but lots of animals people keep as pets eat insects but rapters are different because you have to go outside you walk a dog you have to fly a hawk. If you leave them caged they just die of it
Make some great points. One factor I can think of is that dogs were tools at one point and not pets. The table flipped on that one. Now a days most people don't think of dogs and pets. Pit bulls come to mind as a working dog that shouldn't be a pet. German sherpards are iffy. But, certain breeds of dog were created for certain things and since then, those jobs might have been replaced by soemthing else and they got shoe horned into pet status. Can't see why some personal relationship can't be breached to different species.
I have no experience with birds, but I've spent a few years working with monitor lizards and it's the exact same scenario in that community. A few of my monitors like attention, a few of them don't. Some like chin rubs, one likes back rubs, 2 don't like being touched at all. My Asian water monitor will voluntarily put his head in my hand and I'll hold it and gently rub his face. Every animal is an individual and they're all capable of forming some kind of bond based on trust. Anyone that disagrees either can't read animals well or just hasn't put in the right amount of time or work with the right animal
Hello Man,
So I have a small falcon Lesser Kestrel type. He is very mad because he is new to his place and as his place is little small looks like a prisoner for him.
I want him to stay in home for sometime so he can be petted but the problem is he is flying ... Can we cut or clip his wings? and is there away for clipping wings? if not clipping then what to do? how to make him stay at home and not leaving.
Thanks much
Falconry is the Art of hunting with birds.Pet keeping is nothing related.Anything that helps keep the hawk in peak condition, mind, body and spirit,is positive.. Love the mentoring system you have in the states, should be the same in the UK!
please do more videos alongside your birds
Hey Ben. May I request a video for the absolute best birds of prey to start flying as an apprentice falconer. I’ve been wanting to do falconry and don’t really know what birds would be best to fly without telemetry and is easy (for beginners) to man. Thanks 🙂
Red tailed hawks are a beginner bird
I’ve heard some people say that red shouldered hawks are good as well. Any opinions on them?
@@opossumsospreys5251 Not sure, Ben made a video on red shoulders, check it out. Red shoulders are my fav hawk.
Do animals have emotions? 04:05
Recognising animal intelligence
Do raptors like socialising? 06:05
Do owls enjoy head massages? 07:40
I have had that very argument with people in the past. “Animals don’t feel emotions”
Its utter garbage. I would say st very least all vertebrates have emotions. Not as complex as our emotions but they are still emotions. Without emotions animals couldnt survive.they would have no fear, if it’s predators they would have no excitement when they see prey, no contentment when they have captured prey and are able to feed and excitement when seeing a potential mate. Emotions are what drive creatures to do what they need to do to live.
I have to ask if you guys have a problem with people to do conservation displays.
I'd like a flying friend that shares my KILL KILL KILL mentality.
It's a way of life...its not for anyone.
Make that mostly every one
Great video and as I was watching it I can't help but think most of this seems just like responsible ownership in general. Might be just because I'm looking into this sport as an outsider with a history with exotic reptiles but a lot of this comes across like the same advice you'd get for various advanced reptiles. The do your research and make sure you have the ability to provide and care for the animal and that for most people you would be better off with a more traditional animal.
Even the issues brought up mirror a lot of what I hear in the exotic reptile trade. Like people chasing a trend and buying say a little snapping turtle but being totally incapable of caring for the absolute behemoth it becomes. Maybe Pet isn't quite the right word or term but it seems that common saying of "Do your research and learn if X is right for you" still rings true. Be it bird, reptile, or well any kind of animal
Yep, why should we "cut off" anything that improve the life of the bird. And us!
I've heard oh so many "christians" claim that animals have neither souls nor emotions, I guess, because. "We" must be "higher" than the animals, but what a limitation this puts on the possibilities for more understanding, and real enjoyment dealing with other creatures ...
BTW, Ben, you've had one Harris' for quite a while, and I wondered how much "social" interaction that you've had with her (?) ? Because Harris' Hawks are quite sociable, it could be that they might show fairly strong 'attachment'?
As always, a pleasure, and thought-provoking ... now, off to look at Matthew's channel ;-)
It is the same for many other animal/human relations when work need to be done. Competitive sled dogs are not pets and neither are barn cats
i think its very good to bring this up. Most older falconers are indeed the ones thinking that you have a killing machine. wich is true ofcourse. the new generations is too soft and treat them more like pets. But like you did with the example of the dog why is this so wrong?
when you have an affactional bond with your bird you also make a safe place for them. they trust you and maybe even love you in its own way.
and maybe thats the whole point, love, an animal is capable of feeling love but all in there own way.
but now there is the big difference
try to raise a animal also a bird ( owls show the biggest difference) with no love. Just feed them up give them proper food diet but no love. Even not with siblings around it it just sees the food and maybe you. you got a stone cold killer at the end never knowing when it is planning an attack on YOU.
now if you raise your animal with love you get it back. cuddle with it. for a bird just set it on your lap when watching tv and just leave it there doing its own thing. falcons like to lay down some goshawks do to. its a position in the wild where they are vulnerable so if they do it on your lap they trust you. they feel safe with you. this doesnt mean that they are not stone cold killers anymore. But out in the field you can trust your bird not attacking you when in a dangerous situation you are the safe and trusted spot for them. For the ones who think this cant ben natural behavior, i would say take a look at the life of a tiger. Its well know how they can be so loving animals for each other when it i breeding time. still they are top predator.
in my opinion an animal raised with no love with no affection is a dangerous thing. dont get me wrong if you train your bird to touch their feet from a very young age its a kind of affection.
So in the end you do with your bird as you like as long if it doesnt harm its health. you can make it a solid hunter or you can make it a louzy little thing with a more vegatarian mindset (you knwo what i mean here).
in the end it are intelligent animals who are capable of affection and love in their own way its up to you how you respond to it and take the consequences
I see ZERO reference to pet ownership in the definition of falconry. I cannot imagine having a raptor in my possession and not allowing it to have warm blood across it's tongue.
it's not about the government controlling pet trade. It's about the fact that they think our birds are worth these extravagant amounts of money that they aren't getting their tax from. I watch an episode of Larry King because Jack Hanna was on. Jack came on there and when ask How much his little Anatum Peregrine he said it was a $50 000.oo bird. That was during a year when I know breeders who couldn't give their birds away. Lost all respect for Jack on that day.
Frank Beebe told me when I started that sometimes you have to find your own path and the bird can dictate that path. I had a saker that loved to be around us, love to come in the house and explore behind cabinets but hated to be petted even with a feather she would bite my hand , not the feather reach past and bit the hand. . Had a redtail that enjoyed being in the house . Most recently had a redtail that hated it didn't want to be inside or around ( he was released a couple years sooner than I intended partially because of this. My Harris's demands to come in for the evening to hang out and watch tv with us. My peregrine was more , meh what ever . each bird is different and I have to be careful with my Harris not to forget that she will express herself with a sharp pair of talons if I'm not careful.
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Artficial insemination has forever changed falconry... All my breeding imprints were essentially pets.
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As one how has been interested in Falcory, IT IS NOT A PET! you need to work these things harder than a hunting dog and yourself even harder. These animals demand respect and honor, honestly why don't we see birds of prays as God's?