Thanks for watching my video! Here are some timestamps to help navigate through it. 0:00 - 0:33 Intro 0:33 - 2:13 Church of Vows 2:13 - 5:37 Rennala & The Nox Swordstress 5:38 - 8:17 Radagon & the Statue holding fire 8:17 - 11:35 Champion & Scholar 11:35 - 15:26 The Flame of the Erdtree 15:27 - 18:17 The Primordial Crucible 18:18 - 21:46 Remnants of the Flame 21:46 - 24:36 The Fire Monks 24:36 - 26:14 The Fire Giants 26:15 - 29:30 Messmer's Flame 29:30 - 32:29 Blood & the Haligtree 32:30 - 34:10 The Blood Star 34:12 - 35:15 Outro
I have a couple of thoughts after watching this video. 1. Before the arrival of the Erdtree, the Shadow lands and the Lands Between were still conjoined together. Meaning that Marika, Godfrey and his Crucible knights, Messmer and the Omen and the Numen and everyone were all living together and interacting with each other upon a single giant landmass. This means that Messmer's purging war against the Crucible and Godfrey's assault on the Fire Giants could very well have been happening at the same time. 2. After fighting Mogh again yesterday I came away with the distinct vibe that he is doing Miquella's bidding. St. Trina is said to visit people in their dreams and give them compelling visions. I think what happened is that Miquella realized the Haligtree was failing and that while slumbering in his Haligtree cocoon, he paid a visit to Mogh in his dreams in the form of St. Trina and bewitched him.
I always thought the same thing about Mohg being summoned by Miquella/St Trina. None of the Haligtree knights or Loretta seem concerned about rescuing Miquella, despite the rot and ruin of the Haligtree. In fact, a few soldiers seem to be looking seaward for Miquella's return. They are all so calm...until they see us. Then they go kamikaze with ardor for Miquella. Their behavior speaks volumes about Mohg and Miquella.
Excellent points! I agree, the history of the Lands Between isn’t as linear as people want to make it. A lot of these things were probably happening around the same time. And remember, history is written by the victors! We’re told over and over that The Fire Giants were horrifying and monstrous but then we find an entire group of people MASSACRED by the Champions of the Erdtree. The same goes for the Nox. They committed treason and so were punished. But when I saw the petrified people with their arms held out wide, crying in horror, I knew; this is what happens when history is told by the winning side.
@@AHumanJusticar Honestly at this point it seems almost obvious that Marika committed multiple genocides in order to produce the root nutrients required (in the form of blood, flesh and soul energy) to produce the Erdtree. I mean, this was a civilization that was mass producing hundreds of clay fertilizer pots full of blood and dismembered bodies.
I got really into the Jars and was actually going to mention it in this video but it got a bit bloated! Literally using the corpses and “red remains” of champions to fill living jars. It’s wild. I may have to do a part two 😱
Aaaahhh! (giddy excitement, not outrage) Before I continue watching I had to comment because @7:45 you mention the statue that I've been obsessed with since well before discovering it my first playthrough in the Church of Vows. You won't find it anywhere in the Lands Between. You will find it in Lothric and the Painted World of Ariandel in Dark Souls 3! Not a similar statue, it's identical. It's a reused asset. An easter egg of some sort. I've been obsessed with it because I believe it is a significant piece of evidence indicating the fluid identity and motives of a prominent yet mysterious goddess in Dark Souls. That they put this particular statue here in the Lands Between in a building of layered and changing identities where characters of changing identities performed world-shaping ceremonies... Well, I think it's an easter egg that indicates changing identities. And I also take it as a wink from Miyazaki that I'm totes right that Velka is Caitha. Ok! Now to continue watching! I'm so psyched you pointed this statue out!
Doesnt her posture remind you of finger maiden Therolina at the Radahn festival? Also Milicent posture, altho she doesn't have an extended hand, only holds her missing arm. If its a Darks Souls connection it might has nothing to do with our time in Elden Ring.... if I'm not mistaken there are other statues that are Bloodborne assets... fascinating
Radagon held a torch to light the way, a sword to stay the path, and a book to find the truth, and so have you! Happy we came to the same conclusion about the necessity of blood needed for trees! As well as your connection to the missing eyes and your Grace is a Lie video, one of the best theory videos out there. Really enjoyed your chapter on Messmer, the connection to his flame to the candletree roots. Excellent video as always. I wanted to add that I have theorized that Messmer's Flame may be the other half of Destined Death, where Maliketh's flame can kill the Demigods and Gods, Messmer's Flame can kill those without Grace, the Tarnished and so forth. I only base it on the transcript from the first trailer. Also, for Raddy, at the Minor Erdtree Church, the first time you get the dialogue in "Marika's Own Words" you get the Outer Order gesture. And beneath the Minor Erdtree Church is the Sealed Tunnel. Go take a trip to the Sealed Tunnel's boss room and tell me what you notice :P
Something I mentioned on the comments of one of Jack's videos was that the Crucible is a real life symbol in spiritual alchemy that represents the purification of a soul through suffering and discipline. What I didn't remember until later was that the Black Flame is the symbol of this purification within the Left Hand Path of enlightenment and represents this stage in alchemy refered to as nigredo. The Left Hand Path is the infernal path of enlightenment that takes place in the Underworld, of which the Land of Shadow is a title for. In spiritual alchemy Red is associated with life force purified by this ordeal called rubedo where the impurities of the soul are burned away to reveal the primal essence within it given by the divine. This primal Red Flame of the Crucible in-game could be a symbol of this primal flame at the center of all life.
“Fire and Blood” in relation to Elden ring makes me think of the Omen, who have burning blood. Mohg, the one who takes Miquella, being both an Omen and connected to a blood focused Outer God is pretty interesting given the context of this video. Really good video btw. Glad it came up in my recommended.
I have an interesting theory: the misshapen Erdtree that we see in the DLC trailer isn't dripping gold at all: it's siphoning it up. We see other objects seeming to float upwards towards the tree. I think it's sucking up all the "gold" i.e. life force of all the people Messmer is killing and probably then funnelling it to the real Erdtree.
Those statues are the statues of the saints, or at least that's what they are called in the game because the grace that is next to the first place where we meet Alexander is called: "Bridge of the Saints" and that bridge has the statues of the hooded men.
Even better! The DLC trailer says “They were never Saints. They just happened to be on the losing side of a war.” I’m curious if we’ll get clarification on who these “saints” are/were.
@@AHumanJusticar I was thinking of looking up all the objects and occasions in which the word Saint is used, to see if there is a pattern. For now I can only remember of Saint Trina
I came here after my analytics said half the traffic to my video came from this video, and im glad i did! I absolutely love the video! I had totally forgotten about the nox statue in the church of vows! Ive personally been fiending over the carpets in different locations, its very interesting, to say the least! Subbed!
great video! that bit about turning the candle shield upside down 🤯 i recently realised the statutes of radigon seem to have gold hair, crown and double helix, as the marica ones are gray with gold on the crown and in patches on the veil, but not the hair, it might be just to signify its red but obviously propaga made it seem gold, just seems odd with there normal obsessive colour coding lol this unalloyed gold thing makes me think that marikas order is clearly alloyed, normally gold is alloyed with silver or nickel (silver color) its either she is silver and gold (18k gold or less) or copper and gold (tumbanga) super yellowish gold, kinda like whats on the roofs of leyndell and death lightning if you mix gold, silver and copper together you get rose gold google tells me this about mixing gold and silver :The naturally occurring alloy of gold and silver is commonly known as electrum. Its colour depends on the ratio of gold and silver in the mix: a whitish alloy appears below 50 per cent gold, turning to greenish yellow as the amount of gold increases, and bright yellow at around 85 per cent gold. greenish yellow..... kinda like the sap in miquellas swords! the white one i'm pretty sure is white gold, i think as marika has ties to the numen, who has ties to the nox, who has ties to the carians (silver) i think she is the white gold one, or possibly the gloam eyed queen as she tied to white ghost flame can't wait for this dlc, i won't spoil anything but seems is a big revelation that supports my theory 😁
Im starting to think in order to not die, e.g. taking the death rune out, time stays still within the lands between (making it the land between time) but whilst youre there it feels like like a normal day explaining the day night cycle, but nobody ages anymore but tarnished without grace can still die, just they get turned into rancors or whatever. I feel like time = death from old age for the demi gods and radamarika But the history in the whole place feels skewed, and i feel like the game lies in its descriptions )but only certain ones that are written as if someone was talking)we may learn in the dlc idk but i dont think time works normally within the lands between Also, Im starting to think how we see events in the dlc is chronological Marika rose from that bloodshed and started the war afterwards She betrayed the old and made a coup and then just kept dominating Perhaps she was born of that bloodshed who knows
I feel like the fact it says “ancient erdtree incantation” shows the fact theres been either another tree under it or marika burnt the old one to build this one
I’m of the opinion that the Erdtree is the second tree to exist. There was another older tree before that’s not mentioned much known as the Great Tree. At some point, probably around when Farum Azula was destroyed, the Great Tree was burned but it’s stump remained. Then Marika came along with the other Numen and grafted a shoot from an entirely different tree to the stump, and this eventually took over the whole thing and became the Erdtree. But then it had to have been burned again after that but before the Shattering because the current Erdtree is a spectral illusion that can only be seen by those guided by Grace, aside from a portion of the bottom of the trunk that remains.
I love the ties between Elden Ring and ASoIAF so much. I think the most prevelant and obvious connection are all the false identities, but there's so much thematic parallel
I honestly had the exact same thought about Messmer’s flame being similar, if not identical to what we use to burn the Erdtree. In the reveal trailer, it emerges out of a black cloud, very much like the Rune of Death. Going back to the theory of there being a previous burning of the Erdtree, Messmer is without a doubt the primary suspect in this cardinal sin. He has both means and motive, given his likely inspiration in the ancient Sumerian deity Ningizhida. Moreover, given how strongly color coded the entire game is, this lines up. After Melina’s sacrifice, the Erdtree begins to give off light orange sparks, but after we defeat Maliketh and Destined Death enters the equation, the flames shift to a deep, blood red; the exact same color we see in the trailer showing the fight with Messmer. Also, on a tangential note, the Flame Guardians are likely descendants of the original Erdtree priests, seen carved out on the Lift of Rold. While these carvings show figures that look like a cross between the game’s perfumers and ancient Sumerian kings, they have a rather distinctive headpiece. This same headpiece can actually be seen below the hoods of the rank and file Fire Monks
Since we know that the golden rune shaped post things aren't a new grace, I have an idea as to what they actually might be. From the Helphen's Steeple item description: "Greatsword patterned after the black steeple of the Helphen, the lampwood which guides the dead of the spirit world. The lamplight is similar to grace in appearance, only it is said that it can only be seen by those who met their death in battle." We know that the Tarnished died in battle alongside Godfrey so it only makes sense that we should be able to see them, they are similar to grace in appearance, and I believe that the "Lampwood" in the item description is the name of the shadow tree given by the culture of the shadow lands before Marika's arrival. the golden "sap" dripping from the boughs appears to generate light and could be the source of these lamplights. All this only works if you believe the Shadowlands are the spirit realm mentioned in the item description however so this is a bit of a stretch.
Omgosh. I did a lore dive stream on exactly this topic yesterday! THIS VIDEO IS INCREDIBLE!!! Thank you for digging us deeper!!!💜✨💜✨ It’s a 10/10 from me(h)!!!!!!!
First time viewer, but very impressed. Will most likely make my way through your other videos. Some what a theory some what related to this video. An item description I found fascinating is the Shield of the Guilty. I thought it may be describing the processes of how finger maidens are created. Thought I would give that as food for thought, keep up the good work.
I don't think it's a coincidence that apparently every outer god (except the scarlet rot apparently) has its own flame, I believe that they are all something derived from the crucible and have their own meanings, the frenzied flame is the one used to melt the materials in a crucible again, that of the Fell god is the one used to melt the crucible itself again and make the materials within it more malleable to work with, that of the formless mother is the one that represents the vitality of living beings that resides in the blood in abundance of heat, that of the greater will represents the flame of every living being and represents the flame of civilization and the spiritual flame that is probably linked with the outer god of death of the death birds representing the flame used to melt spirits rather than the fisic body
I LOVE THIS!! ✍🏼 Would you believe me if I told my original draft included a section discusses all the different flames but I cut it out and now I REGRET IT 😩
@@AHumanJusticar I think the gold in elden ring is used to represent life, the red gold is life with an abundance of vitality recurrently linked to the blood and therefore the formless mother, she grants power to the "cursed" blood of the omens, the omens are traces of the vitality and strength that living beings at that time presented and that is why the formless mother is interested in the vitality of Mogh's blood to make him her servant and I think the same applies to Miquella's abundance, which may also be linked with his blood and explain why he attracted the interest of Mogh and the formless mother One thing to note is that I think this is why the formless mother is called that, she is linked with fertility and Vitality, fertility is normally used in the context of a mother's fertility and her ability to bear children, and vitality is a formless concept if there is no body and being to express that vitality Meanwhile the gold of the golden order is yellow, representative of light and in turn of knowledge and enlightenment of the mind, a gold much more suitable for much more advanced civilization and living beings that have developed their minds much more rather than the bodies in an age without the need for abundant vitality
Me: Maybe I'll work on my theory videos today. Also me: NAH, new theory videos by others just dropped. Never noticed about the smiting stone being "vitrified", which may be yet another hint towards alchemy's V.I.T.R.I.O.L. (used to get unalloyed gold) I think all trees and plants in this game overall need blood to grow, with the great trees (crucible, erd, helphen, candle, halig) and Miquella attempted to circumvent that but found it impossible and now relies on other types of sacrifices, garnered through his bewitchments. Specifically he might be bringing certain types of blood to certain areas, as if culling herds in spirit form.
Popped up on my recommended, I’m 30 seconds in and I’m already hooked and subbed. I’m getting science communicator, in the best way. Your voice kinda reminds me of a sci show host so it might just be that but I’m here for it 🙃
26:30 I for one can’t wait to get ganked by Gigaflame weapons, which cause bleed, recurring life loss like blackflame, shortened HP like Destined Death, and can one-shot like Giantsflame Take Thee!
I haven't finished your video yet but I'm really liking it so far! It's lining up a lot of pieces I've been trying to put together in my own mind in a really fascinating way, thank you!
The 3 fingers is the only thing that completes the 2 fingers. One side is order one side is chaos. The frenzied flame is the only flame that can completely destroy the erd tree. It is the most powerful and fearful flame, therefore it is the flame that is removed from the golden order. As it is literally chaos to the order which is kind of like the crucibles might makes right attitude.
I personally don’t subscribe to this idea, because to me the Two Fingers look like a pointer finger and middle finger, while the Three Fingers look like a pinky finger, a ring finger, and a middle finger. I think there’s probably more to the Finger entities than meets the eye. Perhaps they aren’t directly connected to the Greater Will specifically, but exist independently and choose which god they want to serve.
wow you threw a lot at us here! I'm not sure what to make of the use of flame against itself by different factions, though we may get a clarification in the DLC. But it does occurvto me that the Black Flame is referred to as a "god-killing" power so it may be that fire is anti-Golden Order but they were tempted to use it anyway. So their demise may have been written into their foundation from the beginning, and they perhaps tried to counter this by acquiring a rebirthing ability for the Erdtree
So.. when you talked about the statues that had to be broken open for ore, I thought of something. The ore, you find out, is made of ancient dragon scales. Ancient dragon scales bend time. What are the implications if we assume each statue has a dragon scale in it with time bending capabilities scattered all throughout the Lands Between? 😮
I just want to add, is it not weird the Miquella just so happens to be captured by the Demi god most associated with blood? And Mohg calls it "our dynasty." Could it not be possible that Miquella manipulated Mohg to give him blood to grow the Halligtree in exchange for Miquella becoming Mohg's consort. And in the end, the hypnotized Mohg captured miquella and drenched him in blood to try and show a sort of appreciation? IDK, it just seems odd that the god who needs blood, being captured by the god who has blood to give is not a coincident.
Radagon resembles Rhaegar greatly: both wanted to be complete. Radagon the Champion who became a Scholar, and Prince Rhaegar the Scholar who became a Champion.
My thinking is Miquella is the holder of the rune of Abundance and just going from that i think that was emough to feed his haligtee and that his kidnap is what killed it.
You know what's interesting...there is evidence of Miquella influence on the flora and fauna around Mohgwyn's Palace. Around the Lake of Blood, you can find little white flowers and lush green vines growing off of the petrified trees. Is this his mere presence causing this or is it the presence of his Great Rune?
I don’t suppose you’re referring to the comment I left on Hawkshaw’s DLC predictions post are you? It was posted the same day as this video…seems like a long shot but thought I’d ask since it was about the same thing. Us ASOIAF fans in the ER community have to stick together, like the kids that are too nerdy to sit with the regular nerds in the lunchroom 😄 Also, fantastic video - insta sub, amazing work!
Oh how cool, but no lol! I've only seen one of Hawkshaw's videos, The Color Theory of Elden Ring, which is an EXCELLENT video btw! Thank you so much for watching and for the sub! I appreciate it (:
Godfrey has colloseums and blood spilled at those colloseums the age of Godfrey was named age of plenty when Radagon became second Elden Lord closes the colloseums and hunts the crucible knights and also blocks the entrance of the Fortified Manor
Now my mind is really racing......blind, ok, hmmmm, Mogh, has one eye impaled by his horns, could that be the reason he could "see/communicate" with the formless mother, and yeah i always thought the Marika/Radagon seals were their eyes
Hi there , I have this crazy idea, if you look at the grace , it looks like the Elden Beast in water which is where you battle with. Looks very similar. I think it’s also watching us progress in the game
Well, it depends on how you look at Marika and Radagon. If they were once separate people, then two sets for each makes sense. BUT, if they were always the same person, then there's a snag. It's all up to interpretation! :)
I'm so sorry to ask this here but I see you don't have an email listed on your channel. Where do you get the wonderful video art from these games for your videos? I am new to Elden Ring content and working on a video, and am so ignorant as to where people get this great stuff.
Don’t be sorry! It’s all in-game capture done on the PS5. For closeups I use the telescope item. I also edit it all in Adobe Premiere. I hope this helps! 😊
Astrologers weren't the original sorcerers they are the heirs to the glintstone sorcerers meaning, that the Astrologers are are the newer iteration. [Edit]: well there's conflicting information.
I believe they are. When it says that they were the ones who preceded them, that's a reference to the word predecessor, which means come before or ancestor. The Founding Rain of Stars is the *eldest* primeval sorcery discovered by an ancient Astrologer. *Thought to be the *founding* glintstone sorcery* I hope this helps!
@@AHumanJusticar No, it is indeed a misspelling. It's just a super common one that is actually used in games and other fantasy media, because the people developing said media didn't realize that was a common misspelling. I am aware of the Justicar in Mass Effect, it's just that the devs were wrong. In reality, "Justicar" is supposed to be "Justiciar" in every piece of media the word appears in. From Wikitionary: _"While a justiciar was an actual historic role, justicars exist only in fiction of the sword-and-sorcery and science fiction genres. (There are occasional misspellings of the term justiciar as justicar.)"_ Just a crumb of information.
Tarnished archeology has some pretty developed thoughts about the statues
Thanks for watching my video! Here are some timestamps to help navigate through it.
0:00 - 0:33 Intro
0:33 - 2:13 Church of Vows
2:13 - 5:37 Rennala & The Nox Swordstress
5:38 - 8:17 Radagon & the Statue holding fire
8:17 - 11:35 Champion & Scholar
11:35 - 15:26 The Flame of the Erdtree
15:27 - 18:17 The Primordial Crucible
18:18 - 21:46 Remnants of the Flame
21:46 - 24:36 The Fire Monks
24:36 - 26:14 The Fire Giants
26:15 - 29:30 Messmer's Flame
29:30 - 32:29 Blood & the Haligtree
32:30 - 34:10 The Blood Star
34:12 - 35:15 Outro
Great video and narration!
I have a couple of thoughts after watching this video.
1. Before the arrival of the Erdtree, the Shadow lands and the Lands Between were still conjoined together. Meaning that Marika, Godfrey and his Crucible knights, Messmer and the Omen and the Numen and everyone were all living together and interacting with each other upon a single giant landmass. This means that Messmer's purging war against the Crucible and Godfrey's assault on the Fire Giants could very well have been happening at the same time.
2. After fighting Mogh again yesterday I came away with the distinct vibe that he is doing Miquella's bidding. St. Trina is said to visit people in their dreams and give them compelling visions. I think what happened is that Miquella realized the Haligtree was failing and that while slumbering in his Haligtree cocoon, he paid a visit to Mogh in his dreams in the form of St. Trina and bewitched him.
I always thought the same thing about Mohg being summoned by Miquella/St Trina. None of the Haligtree knights or Loretta seem concerned about rescuing Miquella, despite the rot and ruin of the Haligtree. In fact, a few soldiers seem to be looking seaward for Miquella's return. They are all so calm...until they see us. Then they go kamikaze with ardor for Miquella. Their behavior speaks volumes about Mohg and Miquella.
Excellent points! I agree, the history of the Lands Between isn’t as linear as people want to make it. A lot of these things were probably happening around the same time.
And remember, history is written by the victors! We’re told over and over that The Fire Giants were horrifying and monstrous but then we find an entire group of people MASSACRED by the Champions of the Erdtree. The same goes for the Nox. They committed treason and so were punished. But when I saw the petrified people with their arms held out wide, crying in horror, I knew; this is what happens when history is told by the winning side.
@@AHumanJusticar Honestly at this point it seems almost obvious that Marika committed multiple genocides in order to produce the root nutrients required (in the form of blood, flesh and soul energy) to produce the Erdtree. I mean, this was a civilization that was mass producing hundreds of clay fertilizer pots full of blood and dismembered bodies.
I got really into the Jars and was actually going to mention it in this video but it got a bit bloated! Literally using the corpses and “red remains” of champions to fill living jars. It’s wild. I may have to do a part two 😱
Aaaahhh! (giddy excitement, not outrage) Before I continue watching I had to comment because @7:45 you mention the statue that I've been obsessed with since well before discovering it my first playthrough in the Church of Vows.
You won't find it anywhere in the Lands Between. You will find it in Lothric and the Painted World of Ariandel in Dark Souls 3!
Not a similar statue, it's identical. It's a reused asset. An easter egg of some sort.
I've been obsessed with it because I believe it is a significant piece of evidence indicating the fluid identity and motives of a prominent yet mysterious goddess in Dark Souls.
That they put this particular statue here in the Lands Between in a building of layered and changing identities where characters of changing identities performed world-shaping ceremonies...
Well, I think it's an easter egg that indicates changing identities. And I also take it as a wink from Miyazaki that I'm totes right that Velka is Caitha.
Ok! Now to continue watching! I'm so psyched you pointed this statue out!
Nice catch! 😁
I’m so happy I’m not crazy!! Haha I knew there was something special about that statue!
Doesnt her posture remind you of finger maiden Therolina at the Radahn festival? Also Milicent posture, altho she doesn't have an extended hand, only holds her missing arm.
If its a Darks Souls connection it might has nothing to do with our time in Elden Ring.... if I'm not mistaken there are other statues that are Bloodborne assets... fascinating
Radagon held a torch to light the way, a sword to stay the path, and a book to find the truth, and so have you!
Happy we came to the same conclusion about the necessity of blood needed for trees!
As well as your connection to the missing eyes and your Grace is a Lie video, one of the best theory videos out there.
Really enjoyed your chapter on Messmer, the connection to his flame to the candletree roots. Excellent video as always.
I wanted to add that I have theorized that Messmer's Flame may be the other half of Destined Death, where Maliketh's flame can kill the Demigods and Gods, Messmer's Flame can kill those without Grace, the Tarnished and so forth. I only base it on the transcript from the first trailer.
Also, for Raddy, at the Minor Erdtree Church, the first time you get the dialogue in "Marika's Own Words" you get the Outer Order gesture. And beneath the Minor Erdtree Church is the Sealed Tunnel. Go take a trip to the Sealed Tunnel's boss room and tell me what you notice :P
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Thanks for watching Jack! We’ll have to talk soon about the ramblings in our minds!
Something I mentioned on the comments of one of Jack's videos was that the Crucible is a real life symbol in spiritual alchemy that represents the purification of a soul through suffering and discipline. What I didn't remember until later was that the Black Flame is the symbol of this purification within the Left Hand Path of enlightenment and represents this stage in alchemy refered to as nigredo. The Left Hand Path is the infernal path of enlightenment that takes place in the Underworld, of which the Land of Shadow is a title for. In spiritual alchemy Red is associated with life force purified by this ordeal called rubedo where the impurities of the soul are burned away to reveal the primal essence within it given by the divine. This primal Red Flame of the Crucible in-game could be a symbol of this primal flame at the center of all life.
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From Nokstella to YOUR MAMA’S HOUSE!!!
“Fire and Blood” in relation to Elden ring makes me think of the Omen, who have burning blood.
Mohg, the one who takes Miquella, being both an Omen and connected to a blood focused Outer God is pretty interesting given the context of this video.
Really good video btw. Glad it came up in my recommended.
Ooooo getting your shit recommended to people into lore now! We dig when the algorithm brings out gem channels, keep up the great work!
My prediction for the formal name of Mesmer's flame? The Flame of Ambition
Morgott’s not having ANY of it!
I have an interesting theory: the misshapen Erdtree that we see in the DLC trailer isn't dripping gold at all: it's siphoning it up. We see other objects seeming to float upwards towards the tree. I think it's sucking up all the "gold" i.e. life force of all the people Messmer is killing and probably then funnelling it to the real Erdtree.
That is an interesting idea!!
Those statues are the statues of the saints, or at least that's what they are called in the game because the grace that is next to the first place where we meet Alexander is called: "Bridge of the Saints" and that bridge has the statues of the hooded men.
Even better! The DLC trailer says “They were never Saints. They just happened to be on the losing side of a war.” I’m curious if we’ll get clarification on who these “saints” are/were.
@@AHumanJusticar I was thinking of looking up all the objects and occasions in which the word Saint is used, to see if there is a pattern.
For now I can only remember of Saint Trina
Saint Trina always stuck out like a sore thumb…I wonder if she’s connected!
I came here after my analytics said half the traffic to my video came from this video, and im glad i did!
I absolutely love the video! I had totally forgotten about the nox statue in the church of vows!
Ive personally been fiending over the carpets in different locations, its very interesting, to say the least!
Subbed!
Finally someone else noticed that statue behind Miriel! I also didn't find a single other one of those in the entire game. It keeps me up at night.
I searched for sooooo long! 😩 She will forever be the one who got away.
@@AHumanJusticar Thank you for your sacrifice. I guess we'll pray the DLC has another one.
I could listen to your voice, lore or not. It’s relaxing and pleasant. They should put you on the sleep app
Wow, thank you! That’s so kind 😊
I can't believe your channel was JUST recommended to me! You made a great video and I love your voice.
Also, I subbed!
great video! that bit about turning the candle shield upside down 🤯 i recently realised the statutes of radigon seem to have gold hair, crown and double helix, as the marica ones are gray with gold on the crown and in patches on the veil, but not the hair, it might be just to signify its red but obviously propaga made it seem gold, just seems odd with there normal obsessive colour coding lol
this unalloyed gold thing makes me think that marikas order is clearly alloyed, normally gold is alloyed with silver or nickel (silver color) its either she is silver and gold (18k gold or less) or copper and gold (tumbanga) super yellowish gold, kinda like whats on the roofs of leyndell and death lightning
if you mix gold, silver and copper together you get rose gold
google tells me this about mixing gold and silver
:The naturally occurring alloy of gold and silver is commonly known as electrum. Its colour depends on the ratio of gold and silver in the mix: a whitish alloy appears below 50 per cent gold, turning to greenish yellow as the amount of gold increases, and bright yellow at around 85 per cent gold.
greenish yellow..... kinda like the sap in miquellas swords!
the white one i'm pretty sure is white gold, i think as marika has ties to the numen, who has ties to the nox, who has ties to the carians (silver) i think she is the white gold one, or possibly the gloam eyed queen as she tied to white ghost flame
can't wait for this dlc, i won't spoil anything but seems is a big revelation that supports my theory 😁
Im starting to think in order to not die, e.g. taking the death rune out, time stays still within the lands between (making it the land between time) but whilst youre there it feels like like a normal day explaining the day night cycle, but nobody ages anymore but tarnished without grace can still die, just they get turned into rancors or whatever. I feel like time = death from old age for the demi gods and radamarika
But the history in the whole place feels skewed, and i feel like the game lies in its descriptions )but only certain ones that are written as if someone was talking)we may learn in the dlc idk but i dont think time works normally within the lands between
Also, Im starting to think how we see events in the dlc is chronological
Marika rose from that bloodshed and started the war afterwards
She betrayed the old and made a coup and then just kept dominating
Perhaps she was born of that bloodshed who knows
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very interesting theories and the messmer's flame thing was a really cool find
Thank you! 😊 thanks for watching
You’ve done pieced a piece of the puzzle together. Well done!
I feel like the fact it says “ancient erdtree incantation” shows the fact theres been either another tree under it or marika burnt the old one to build this one
Is "ancient" referring to the erdtree, or to the incantation?
@@andrewbowen2837 probably both if the incantation is ancient the tree must he, and vice versa
I’m of the opinion that the Erdtree is the second tree to exist. There was another older tree before that’s not mentioned much known as the Great Tree. At some point, probably around when Farum Azula was destroyed, the Great Tree was burned but it’s stump remained. Then Marika came along with the other Numen and grafted a shoot from an entirely different tree to the stump, and this eventually took over the whole thing and became the Erdtree. But then it had to have been burned again after that but before the Shattering because the current Erdtree is a spectral illusion that can only be seen by those guided by Grace, aside from a portion of the bottom of the trunk that remains.
I love the ties between Elden Ring and ASoIAF so much. I think the most prevelant and obvious connection are all the false identities, but there's so much thematic parallel
I honestly had the exact same thought about Messmer’s flame being similar, if not identical to what we use to burn the Erdtree. In the reveal trailer, it emerges out of a black cloud, very much like the Rune of Death.
Going back to the theory of there being a previous burning of the Erdtree, Messmer is without a doubt the primary suspect in this cardinal sin. He has both means and motive, given his likely inspiration in the ancient Sumerian deity Ningizhida.
Moreover, given how strongly color coded the entire game is, this lines up. After Melina’s sacrifice, the Erdtree begins to give off light orange sparks, but after we defeat Maliketh and Destined Death enters the equation, the flames shift to a deep, blood red; the exact same color we see in the trailer showing the fight with Messmer.
Also, on a tangential note, the Flame Guardians are likely descendants of the original Erdtree priests, seen carved out on the Lift of Rold. While these carvings show figures that look like a cross between the game’s perfumers and ancient Sumerian kings, they have a rather distinctive headpiece. This same headpiece can actually be seen below the hoods of the rank and file Fire Monks
Since we know that the golden rune shaped post things aren't a new grace, I have an idea as to what they actually might be. From the Helphen's Steeple item description: "Greatsword patterned after the black steeple of the Helphen, the lampwood which guides the dead of the spirit world. The lamplight is similar to grace in appearance, only it is said that it can only be seen by those who met their death in battle." We know that the Tarnished died in battle alongside Godfrey so it only makes sense that we should be able to see them, they are similar to grace in appearance, and I believe that the "Lampwood" in the item description is the name of the shadow tree given by the culture of the shadow lands before Marika's arrival. the golden "sap" dripping from the boughs appears to generate light and could be the source of these lamplights. All this only works if you believe the Shadowlands are the spirit realm mentioned in the item description however so this is a bit of a stretch.
This is interesting! The Land of Shadow does give off major spirit realm vibes.
Omgosh. I did a lore dive stream on exactly this topic yesterday! THIS VIDEO IS INCREDIBLE!!! Thank you for digging us deeper!!!💜✨💜✨
It’s a 10/10 from me(h)!!!!!!!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you for watching 🙏🏼
First time viewer, but very impressed. Will most likely make my way through your other videos.
Some what a theory some what related to this video. An item description I found fascinating is the Shield of the Guilty. I thought it may be describing the processes of how finger maidens are created.
Thought I would give that as food for thought, keep up the good work.
I don't think it's a coincidence that apparently every outer god (except the scarlet rot apparently) has its own flame, I believe that they are all something derived from the crucible and have their own meanings, the frenzied flame is the one used to melt the materials in a crucible again, that of the Fell god is the one used to melt the crucible itself again and make the materials within it more malleable to work with, that of the formless mother is the one that represents the vitality of living beings that resides in the blood in abundance of heat, that of the greater will represents the flame of every living being and represents the flame of civilization and the spiritual flame that is probably linked with the outer god of death of the death birds representing the flame used to melt spirits rather than the fisic body
I LOVE THIS!! ✍🏼
Would you believe me if I told my original draft included a section discusses all the different flames but I cut it out and now I REGRET IT 😩
@@AHumanJusticar I think the gold in elden ring is used to represent life, the red gold is life with an abundance of vitality recurrently linked to the blood and therefore the formless mother, she grants power to the "cursed" blood of the omens, the omens are traces of the vitality and strength that living beings at that time presented and that is why the formless mother is interested in the vitality of Mogh's blood to make him her servant
and I think the same applies to Miquella's abundance, which may also be linked with his blood and explain why he attracted the interest of Mogh and the formless mother
One thing to note is that I think this is why the formless mother is called that, she is linked with fertility and Vitality, fertility is normally used in the context of a mother's fertility and her ability to bear children, and vitality is a formless concept if there is no body and being to express that vitality
Meanwhile the gold of the golden order is yellow, representative of light and in turn of knowledge and enlightenment of the mind, a gold much more suitable for much more advanced civilization and living beings that have developed their minds much more rather than the bodies in an age without the need for abundant vitality
Oh ok wow, I'm now fully convinced the sore and scar seals are the eyes of Marika/Radagon. What a good catch.
Me: Maybe I'll work on my theory videos today.
Also me: NAH, new theory videos by others just dropped.
Never noticed about the smiting stone being "vitrified", which may be yet another hint towards alchemy's V.I.T.R.I.O.L. (used to get unalloyed gold)
I think all trees and plants in this game overall need blood to grow, with the great trees (crucible, erd, helphen, candle, halig) and Miquella attempted to circumvent that but found it impossible and now relies on other types of sacrifices, garnered through his bewitchments. Specifically he might be bringing certain types of blood to certain areas, as if culling herds in spirit form.
I think we’re on the right track! 👀 maybe I should do a Tree Video next? 🤔 Thanks so much for watching!
Popped up on my recommended, I’m 30 seconds in and I’m already hooked and subbed. I’m getting science communicator, in the best way. Your voice kinda reminds me of a sci show host so it might just be that but I’m here for it 🙃
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wow, fantastic video. i'll need to watch it again at least once. Looking forward to more DLC content!!!
Thank you so much!! 😊 🙏🏼 I’m glad you enjoyed it
YES!!!! this puts a lot of it together SO WELL!!!
Calling it now, we don't see miquella's face because he sacrificed his eyes to make the haligtree
26:30 I for one can’t wait to get ganked by Gigaflame weapons, which cause bleed, recurring life loss like blackflame, shortened HP like Destined Death, and can one-shot like Giantsflame Take Thee!
Me too! 😅
I haven't finished your video yet but I'm really liking it so far! It's lining up a lot of pieces I've been trying to put together in my own mind in a really fascinating way, thank you!
Happy to help! Thanks for watching 😁
The 3 fingers is the only thing that completes the 2 fingers. One side is order one side is chaos. The frenzied flame is the only flame that can completely destroy the erd tree. It is the most powerful and fearful flame, therefore it is the flame that is removed from the golden order. As it is literally chaos to the order which is kind of like the crucibles might makes right attitude.
I personally don’t subscribe to this idea, because to me the Two Fingers look like a pointer finger and middle finger, while the Three Fingers look like a pinky finger, a ring finger, and a middle finger. I think there’s probably more to the Finger entities than meets the eye. Perhaps they aren’t directly connected to the Greater Will specifically, but exist independently and choose which god they want to serve.
Your on to something there..
Thats a very good video keep it up! Got a sub from me! I love lore and mysteries and this is the stuff right here!
Excellent video
The real life cocoon builders from the Showcase event comfirmed it is a Spider Cocoon !
almost 500 likes and no dislikes! You are so talented, thak you for your hard work💝
Thank you so much 😀
So much time invested in this video, came out great!
Glad you think so! Thanks a ton!
Human Justicar with another MAJESTIC I repeat MAJESTIC video. YOU MADAM ARE AMAZING
wow you threw a lot at us here! I'm not sure what to make of the use of flame against itself by different factions, though we may get a clarification in the DLC. But it does occurvto me that the Black Flame is referred to as a "god-killing" power so it may be that fire is anti-Golden Order but they were tempted to use it anyway. So their demise may have been written into their foundation from the beginning, and they perhaps tried to counter this by acquiring a rebirthing ability for the Erdtree
Another great video, thank you for your hard work, cheers!
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it 😁
So.. when you talked about the statues that had to be broken open for ore, I thought of something. The ore, you find out, is made of ancient dragon scales. Ancient dragon scales bend time. What are the implications if we assume each statue has a dragon scale in it with time bending capabilities scattered all throughout the Lands Between? 😮
I think you’re onto something!!
Nice. Subbed.
I just want to add, is it not weird the Miquella just so happens to be captured by the Demi god most associated with blood? And Mohg calls it "our dynasty." Could it not be possible that Miquella manipulated Mohg to give him blood to grow the Halligtree in exchange for Miquella becoming Mohg's consort. And in the end, the hypnotized Mohg captured miquella and drenched him in blood to try and show a sort of appreciation? IDK, it just seems odd that the god who needs blood, being captured by the god who has blood to give is not a coincident.
It’s definitely not a coincidence. I wondered if the Formless Mother was guiding Mohg because she wanted to birth a new god. 👀
Radagon resembles Rhaegar greatly: both wanted to be complete. Radagon the Champion who became a Scholar, and Prince Rhaegar the Scholar who became a Champion.
My thinking is Miquella is the holder of the rune of Abundance and just going from that i think that was emough to feed his haligtee and that his kidnap is what killed it.
You know what's interesting...there is evidence of Miquella influence on the flora and fauna around Mohgwyn's Palace. Around the Lake of Blood, you can find little white flowers and lush green vines growing off of the petrified trees. Is this his mere presence causing this or is it the presence of his Great Rune?
Thanks!
Thanks! 🙏🏼 ☺️
I don’t suppose you’re referring to the comment I left on Hawkshaw’s DLC predictions post are you? It was posted the same day as this video…seems like a long shot but thought I’d ask since it was about the same thing. Us ASOIAF fans in the ER community have to stick together, like the kids that are too nerdy to sit with the regular nerds in the lunchroom 😄
Also, fantastic video - insta sub, amazing work!
Oh how cool, but no lol! I've only seen one of Hawkshaw's videos, The Color Theory of Elden Ring, which is an EXCELLENT video btw! Thank you so much for watching and for the sub! I appreciate it (:
Crazy good video
Thank you so much! ☺️
Great video
Godfrey has colloseums and blood spilled at those colloseums the age of Godfrey was named age of plenty when Radagon became second Elden Lord closes the colloseums and hunts the crucible knights and also blocks the entrance of the Fortified Manor
good stuff....we all so anxious 😂😂😂
Now my mind is really racing......blind, ok, hmmmm, Mogh, has one eye impaled by his horns, could that be the reason he could "see/communicate" with the formless mother, and yeah i always thought the Marika/Radagon seals were their eyes
but then again, how are there TWO sets of eyes, one god, two bodies, two souls, one in control at a time, hmmmm
Great video btw. Much love
Appreciate it! Thanks for watching!
Great video except that "giant turtle" named pastor Miriel is actually just a regular size dog with a cool hat
Hi there , I have this crazy idea, if you look at the grace , it looks like the Elden Beast in water which is where you battle with. Looks very similar. I think it’s also watching us progress in the game
The funny thing is that even in a fantasy, I have less trouble believing a tortoise bishop than I do all of the martially themed women in this game.
Great video!
Thank you! 😊
Brilliant. You rule 👍
Thanks! 🙏🏼 glad you enjoyed it!
What is this armor set at 17:15 with the erdtree seal on the cape???
Edit: I figured it out! Wonderful video!
If u look on the spears in the mountain top of the giants there is a face with snake type lines out it’s head
I really wanted to tackle the snakes too but the video was getting a bit bloated! Might have to start drawing up a part two 👀
What if the burning of a tree is the end of an age and that's how Marika became the new god and we are watching Miquellas quest to do the same.
I believe that’s exactly what we’re seeing happen.
What about the soreseal compared to scarseal? There's two different "eyes" then.
Well, it depends on how you look at Marika and Radagon. If they were once separate people, then two sets for each makes sense. BUT, if they were always the same person, then there's a snag. It's all up to interpretation! :)
So was messmer used up to the war against the fire giants and then banished???
So where marikas statues made after her crucifixion? And if so who made them
THIS is a question I've been asking myself since my Radagon Secret Sorcery video....a topic for another time!
Broken, thank you for reminding my of TMJ.
I'm so sorry to ask this here but I see you don't have an email listed on your channel. Where do you get the wonderful video art from these games for your videos? I am new to Elden Ring content and working on a video, and am so ignorant as to where people get this great stuff.
Don’t be sorry! It’s all in-game capture done on the PS5. For closeups I use the telescope item. I also edit it all in Adobe Premiere. I hope this helps! 😊
@@AHumanJusticar lol I’m feeling very “duuuuh” that it was footage through the telescope 😂😅 Thank you for sharing!
IT’S A DOG… not a 🐢 lol
Astrologers weren't the original sorcerers they are the heirs to the glintstone sorcerers meaning, that the Astrologers are are the newer iteration. [Edit]: well there's conflicting information.
I believe they are.
When it says that they were the ones who preceded them, that's a reference to the word predecessor, which means come before or ancestor.
The Founding Rain of Stars is the *eldest* primeval sorcery discovered by an ancient Astrologer. *Thought to be the *founding* glintstone sorcery*
I hope this helps!
It was a great video, but didn't you mean a story told in a dilapidated church by a dog? :'P
pizza looks like poo
All of that is great and all
But your channel name... contains a pretty bad misspelling. Justicars don't exist. Justiciars do.
Mass Effect 2 has an Asari character who is a Justicar. It’s not a misspelling, it’s a gaming reference to my favorite franchise.
Thanks for watching!
@@AHumanJusticar No, it is indeed a misspelling. It's just a super common one that is actually used in games and other fantasy media, because the people developing said media didn't realize that was a common misspelling. I am aware of the Justicar in Mass Effect, it's just that the devs were wrong. In reality, "Justicar" is supposed to be "Justiciar" in every piece of media the word appears in.
From Wikitionary:
_"While a justiciar was an actual historic role, justicars exist only in fiction of the sword-and-sorcery and science fiction genres. (There are occasional misspellings of the term justiciar as justicar.)"_
Just a crumb of information.