@Euler's identity crisis I'm loving these long form discussions. Micheal Heiser is a wealth of information and even if you don't agree with all of his conclusions, he's incredibly knowledgeable. I've been finding these longer videos in the mornings to listen to all day while I go about my day-to-day things. I'm so glad to have found your channel. Between your content and @sentinel apologetics I have more than enough to fill my days.
Than my you for this series, appreciated the in-depth old testament input which helps to understand the book and the thinking of John at that time. God bless you. For Mr. Hall, if you do not get the teaching why do you keep listening? There are many who teach on line try finding one. Ken Johnson for starters. Has a PhD. Explains things in layman terms. A critical spirit can only complain, which does not get you anywhere. So its time for you to go fishing! Will pray for you and that the Lord will direct your steps.
As a friend has said "Although we cannot prove Apostolic Succession - we can be certain that the Pharisees have been fruitful and multiplied. Let critics demonnstrate that they are living a Golden Rule life before taking their comments seriously."
Probably the greatest truth we can take away from Dr. Heisers misgivings about even teaching hard doctrine from Revelation is that it is incredibly symbolic and the idea of people being able to nail this down into cold, hard facts is prone to error. As evidenced by the whole mark of the beast teaching in so many churches
Am I the only one thinking that if I ever get put in that situation?I'm gonna go right to Matthew 16 in my mind.Get behind me satan?😂 No but seriously....Jesus of nazereth ,finish your perfect work in us.
The book of Revelation isn't just for any unsuspecting casual reader. To unravel it you have to have pretty thorough familiarity with the whole of the Torah. Why? Because the symbols and allegories interwoven into the surrealist apocalyptic narrative is built on close knowledge of all the pointers. And no it's not an End times reference book as certain extremists like to push.
If you're commenting on the portion I think you are, I agree. I'm not really a preterist but I have sympathies to the view. Preterist type issues are one of the few places I disagree with Heiser. There are serious questions with preterism but I feel like he (and virtually all non-preterists) strawman the position a bit.
Question rev calls (*) mystery babalon (where in the prophets and mashiac was killed so a phisical babylon // a metaphoric rome / and other in issaih and so to which is rev adressing jerusalem under the rule of beast
Its so strange the weight that Mike puts on Ireneaus' POV in opposition to the volume of stuff that *does* point to NERO rather transparently. Not the its a huge deal. Its just a very narrow, idiosyncratic angle on the issue.
"this calls for wisdom, let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast", the number is "6,6,6" So "with wisdom" and numbers as low as "6" , knowing the source is Hebrew I would use the tarot system THE MOON CARD is 18 So, in this case 6,6,6 = 18 The TRUE NUMBER OF THE BEAST (associated with the moon) THE DEMIURGE
Micheal is too cerebral for me! John was not writing to academics,but to ordainary people who did not own many books or have access to a library. So our interpretations need to be more basic. As to the deadly wound to the head of the Beast and it's healing,is this not the healing of the head of the Serpent/Satan.With the redeeming sacrifice of Yeshu could not the Church have been able to realize a kingdom of priests in earth under the guidance of the Holy Spirit? But the Church drew back from the Holy Spirit. They preserved the ancient philosophy and culture which was revived in the Renaissance. Also,I am surprised Micheal who emphasizes the importance of the text would spiritualize the meaning of xaragma which specifically means a physical engraved mark like the Holocaust. Finally, 6 is the number of natural man created on the 6 the day. The repetition of the number 6 is Semitic emphasis of repetition. In other words this is a type of man who is totally devoid of the Holy Spirit in the 7 lights of the Manorah which is also on the state seal of Israel together with the two olive trees. Please give us less scholarship and more living spiritual word because we are living in the times when knowledge,science,and technology increases is End Times!
@@Anil-gt2kn I understand your frustration with Trump and I'm on board with being wary of the vaxxpasses to be, at the very least, a stepping stone to the mark but the globally adored Antichrist gets "wounded" (more than likely a metaphor) and Trump does not have nearly the creds to be the AC... The AC will be adored by the vast majority of mankind on a global level and Trump only has, at the very most, 40% of American adoration. His global populous is much less. I know that there are "many Antichrists" in the world but THE Antichrist is really the issue here.
Shalom Stephen. Come up with a more "basic" interpretation yourself but do it at a scholarly level. M . Heiser is a faithful servant of God for whose work we are very grateful. You must know the 4 levels of interpretation so do a peshat my friend yourself. Apart from that, blaspheming the name of Yeshua is not the way to show your superiority. As for your number symbolism you are all over the place like a car that can't stay in its lane. Yes we do appreciate M. Heiser's scholarship and hope his disciples will be like him or better. Learn some humility from him and may the God of Israel bless you with true wisdom.
"Please give us less scholarship..." this... should not be the rally cry of the modern church. Mike's whole body of work was centered on popularizing scholarly discussion amongst the laity.
@Euler's identity crisis I'm loving these long form discussions. Micheal Heiser is a wealth of information and even if you don't agree with all of his conclusions, he's incredibly knowledgeable. I've been finding these longer videos in the mornings to listen to all day while I go about my day-to-day things. I'm so glad to have found your channel. Between your content and @sentinel apologetics I have more than enough to fill my days.
Hi. I am the same way. I go through the day listening and enjoying the perspectives. It like food for the soul. (From Trinidad. W.I.
I will always call on the name of Jesus
Zhank You Thank You and GOD bless and Heal You DR.MSH. For all your hard earned education to bring us this wisdom.
Excellent work! Love it. Thank you. We pray your health is improving.
He passed away.
This is excellent. Thank you so much. I sure wish we could purchase This & others on CD DVD..Its a good idea
so awesome
Than my you for this series, appreciated the in-depth old testament input which helps to understand the book and the thinking of John at that time. God bless you. For Mr. Hall, if you do not get the teaching why do you keep listening? There are many who teach on line try finding one. Ken Johnson for starters. Has a PhD. Explains things in layman terms. A critical spirit can only complain, which does not get you anywhere. So its time for you to go fishing! Will pray for you and that the Lord will direct your steps.
As a friend has said "Although we cannot prove Apostolic Succession - we can be certain that the Pharisees have been fruitful and multiplied. Let critics demonnstrate that they are living a Golden Rule life before taking their comments seriously."
Mid heaven is the stars
Thank you for explaining the book of Revelation nonsense all the Churches are propagating. GOD BLESS AND HEAL YOU DR. HEISER
Probably the greatest truth we can take away from Dr. Heisers misgivings about even teaching hard doctrine from Revelation is that it is incredibly symbolic and the idea of people being able to nail this down into cold, hard facts is prone to error. As evidenced by the whole mark of the beast teaching in so many churches
How should we interpret this in the advent of the CBDC?
Am I the only one thinking that if I ever get put in that situation?I'm gonna go right to Matthew 16 in my mind.Get behind me satan?😂
No but seriously....Jesus of nazereth ,finish your perfect work in us.
The book of Revelation isn't just for any unsuspecting casual reader. To unravel it you have to have pretty thorough familiarity with the whole of the Torah. Why? Because the symbols and allegories interwoven into the surrealist apocalyptic narrative is built on close knowledge of all the pointers. And no it's not an End times reference book as certain extremists like to push.
Great video I appreciate it..Tried to do superchat but not tech savy
My monetization on here isn’t set up. You can check out the rest of my channel as a thanks. 👍🏽
1:33:00 I never made the connection with The Priestly Blessing with The Mark Of The Beast or The Mark Of Cain from Genesis.
Where do John learn to play 4d chess? When did he have access to the Scrolls?
That doesn't explain Ezekiel chapter 23 which clearly speaks of Jerusalem as the Harlot as well as many other scriptures
If you're commenting on the portion I think you are, I agree. I'm not really a preterist but I have sympathies to the view. Preterist type issues are one of the few places I disagree with Heiser. There are serious questions with preterism but I feel like he (and virtually all non-preterists) strawman the position a bit.
Should also note God writes his name internally. Satan writes his name externally. Likely also meant to mock god.
Question rev calls (*) mystery babalon (where in the prophets and mashiac was killed so a phisical babylon // a metaphoric rome / and other in issaih and so to which is rev adressing jerusalem under the rule of beast
listening and thank you you went here and answered
hour 3;07
Its so strange the weight that Mike puts on Ireneaus' POV in opposition to the volume of stuff that *does* point to NERO rather transparently. Not the its a huge deal. Its just a very narrow, idiosyncratic angle on the issue.
Agreed. Especially since the Irenaeus quote can be read to mean John was alive in the 90s not that the book was written then.
"this calls for wisdom, let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast", the number is "6,6,6"
So "with wisdom" and numbers as low as "6" , knowing the source is Hebrew I would use the tarot system
THE MOON CARD is 18
So, in this case 6,6,6 = 18
The TRUE NUMBER OF THE BEAST (associated with the moon)
THE DEMIURGE
Micheal is too cerebral for me! John was not writing to academics,but to ordainary people who did not own many books or have access to a library. So our interpretations need to be more basic. As to the deadly wound to the head of the Beast and it's healing,is this not the healing of the head of the Serpent/Satan.With the redeeming sacrifice of Yeshu could not the Church have been able to realize a kingdom of priests in earth under the guidance of the Holy Spirit? But the Church drew back from the Holy Spirit. They preserved the ancient philosophy and culture which was revived in the Renaissance. Also,I am surprised Micheal who emphasizes the importance of the text would spiritualize the meaning of xaragma which specifically means a physical engraved mark like the Holocaust. Finally, 6 is the number of natural man created on the 6 the day. The repetition of the number 6 is Semitic emphasis of repetition. In other words this is a type of man who is totally devoid of the Holy Spirit in the 7 lights of the Manorah which is also on the state seal of Israel together with the two olive trees. Please give us less scholarship and more living spiritual word because we are living in the times when knowledge,science,and technology increases is End Times!
Mike is not much of a pastor, he is a scholar. Plenty of pastors out there who can relate and communicate to their flock in an easier way
Trump is one of the beasts who is wounded ..having his election stolen. He will be back which means healing of the wound. covid jab could be motb.
@@Anil-gt2kn I understand your frustration with Trump and I'm on board with being wary of the vaxxpasses to be, at the very least, a stepping stone to the mark but the globally adored Antichrist gets "wounded" (more than likely a metaphor) and Trump does not have nearly the creds to be the AC... The AC will be adored by the vast majority of mankind on a global level and Trump only has, at the very most, 40% of American adoration. His global populous is much less. I know that there are "many Antichrists" in the world but THE Antichrist is really the issue here.
Shalom Stephen. Come up with a more "basic" interpretation yourself but do it at a scholarly level. M . Heiser is a faithful servant of God for whose work we are very grateful. You must know the 4 levels of interpretation so do a peshat my friend yourself. Apart from that, blaspheming the name of Yeshua is not the way to show your superiority. As for your number symbolism you are all over the place like a car that can't stay in its lane. Yes we do appreciate M. Heiser's scholarship and hope his disciples will be like him or better. Learn some humility from him and may the God of Israel bless you with true wisdom.
Thank You
3:05 Heiser is blind by his own understanding and unwillingness to offend, the harlot is unequivocally Jerusalem.
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Good to know you made it 3 minutes.
And that is an amazing, unsupported, blind assertion.
@@Bl_Radio I mean, it is literally stated in Revelation, so...
"Please give us less scholarship..." this... should not be the rally cry of the modern church.
Mike's whole body of work was centered on popularizing scholarly discussion amongst the laity.