It's very cool that you dive into depth without repeating the same thing mostly other people tells. For anyone who wants to stay in a long term, seeking any other opportunities outside of work in international trade or own business would be helpful.
Ey Andre, thanks for this clip, I have been wondering as many other on your experience in china so far. Looks like you have been in the making for a couple of years at the moment, I had lived back in 2008 till 2018 and frankly I am starting to miss it. We all would love to get some tips from you, specially me as I am also an English teacher and language lover.
really depends on how foreigner being considered themselves... actually having a family over China and then building stuff bit by bit... I believe that is really great.. regarding long term plan, I find some foreigner setup AirBNB on china, which definitely a plan B in future.
About your second "con"-"Chinese culture is hard to understand," I would say that learning any culture should be a "pro" because it helps to broaden one's perspectives, and I think the main draw to China to most foreigners IS the Chinese culture rather than just teaching jobs. If money is the only reason to stay in China, that's sad. It wouldn't make any sense to go to another country if the person had no interest in its culture. Every culture and language is unique which is the driving force for travelers. If going to China is like going to Detroit, no one would go to China. All the best to you.😊
I have been teaching english online for years and would like to teach in China. I don't know if that's possible though since I'm mexican. English isn't my native language but I learned it when I was a child and it very well could be my first language. I lived in the US and actually had a hard time speaking spanish again when I moved back to Mexico. Anyway, great video!
Hi, live in China and I know Mexicans who work in China As native Spanish teachers and English teachers. To get you a Visa they will usually just register you as a native Spanish Teacher with the local authorities and just let you teach English in the class. There are still many non native English teachers in China.
Why not be a Spanish teacher? It seems that "business" languages are all highly valued in China. The main ones would be English, Arabic, Spanish, and French.
Hi, thank you so much for creating this informative video! I’ve visited China twice and am considering moving there. However, your point about the skills gained in China not being transferable concerns me. Have you thought about a plan B in case you decide to stop teaching, or do you plan to stay indefinitely?
This is a good informational video I want to teach abroad not sure where I would love to learn mandarin and I think it would help with making connections and getting experience I'm just confused/surprised you said there are no transferrable skills if I return back to my home country. How are there no transferrable skills? I want to be a teacher anyways in my home country.
You don't need an ESL degree. You need a bachelor's (anyone is fine, but maybe a Humanities or social science major is preferable) and a TEFL certificate, which you can get online from various places, some more legit than others. Specifically, a 120 Hour cert. Getting an undergrad in ESL isn't a good idea, but if one tries and enjoys it, a master's in it can be okay. But really, getting something adjacent, like English, Education, or even any decent specialty subject is better than majoring in just TEFL.
@@TobekaMbadlanyana You could get into subject teaching with a license and teach business. It's possible, though not certain, that they would prefer you have a TEFL certificate on top of it, which may be necessary for any English teaching job. Sometimes, a subject teacher's secondary goal is teaching the language via students learning the subject. Dave's ESL cafe is a mainstay for recruiters, for East Asia. Or echinacities, for China. Recruiters will lie to you and push you to kindergartens and training centers. Don't believe it, you don't have to start there. But you may need to apply at the right time for the new semesters.
@@TobekaMbadlanyana I should also mention, there's a chance you can teach at a university, but not a big one. Universities will allow someone with a BA and cert to teach, but mainly just oral language skills. Cush job, I hear.
That is all true for the western people like you. Working as a teacher in China is really good with regards to pay, benefits and treatment regardless of your educational background as long as you are white and native English speakers.But not true for Asian people despite of higher educational attainment and good skills in teaching mostly paid only 1/4 of the salary usually receiving by the whites and people from Africa. Imagine while others receiving 25k or even higher many Asian teachers in China only paid starting from 4k. Hoping that people should be compensated not according to the race or nationality but should be on the basis of the capabilities and skills. Good luck to you , all the best!
Hi Andre, I was wondering if the ESl job opportunities you mentioned merely benefits the native speakers. I have an M.A. in TEFL and 12 years of experience. I currently live and work in Oman but I don't like the Islamic culture so I'm thinking of moving to China. How big of a chance do you think I might have?
Hi Andre, awesome video, I'm going to GuangZhou and starting my teaching career at a teaching center and was wondering if you can give me some guidance as I know you started your career at a teaching center (I'm starting with EF btw, do you know anyone that worked there? or heard anything?) how did you find such a good school in a short amount of time?
I'm working at an EF center in Guangzhou right now. The pay isn't that good (14500k to start) and you'll probably work long hours. Most of the international teachers quit or try to find a new job elsewhere. A lot of your experience will depend on which center they send you to. Some are much better than others. Overall, I think it's an okay job if you're just starting out, but there is no real reason to stay there longer than you have to.
@@goatherder920 Thank you! this is helpful information and yea....that's what they offered me too for salary lol, I know I'm not going back at a good time as I will hit the high season (summer courses) but hows the working environment and workload? do you mind me asking which area they've assigned you to? they've assigned me to yuexiu area and I'm not sure what to expect
@@Ciel750 Glad I could help! Summer courses start in the middle of July and end in the beginning of September. You'll probably have to teach phonics/storytellers for up to 3 hours a day, 4 days a week (in addition to your normal classes). You will most likely just have Tuesday off. The workload is very high, but will vary from center to center. Right now, in my normal schedule, I have 28.5 ACH (academic teaching hours), which are 40 mins each. The maximum ACH is 30 excluding summer/winter course. At my center, my coworkers are nice and everyone gets along for the most part. The work load is higher than most centers. Some centers are extremely competitive and strict, so it really just depends on the luck of the draw TBH. I'm living in Huangpu, which is at the end of metro line 6 (Xiangxue) center GZ16. I think you might be at GZ9 or GZ10. GZ9 is more competitive and way too crowded, but the workload is less. Not really sure where you're at without knowing the metro stop. When you get here, they will put you up in a hotel for 2 weeks (mine was the Paco hotel in Beijing Lu). When you get an apartment, try to avoid using the agent that they recommend. The best option is to go directly to a landlord, if you can get someone from your center to give you a recommendation. Let me know if you have any other questions. Best of luck!
@@goatherder920 oh. I see. They used to have many locations here in China, but based off the information I saw on their website, there are only located in Shanghai and Guangzhou now.
Hey I would love to come to China and teach english but everywhere I've read that you need a bachelors degree to get your Z visa. Is that true? Could i potentially get a job with just a TEFL certificate? It would be really awesome to get some current information from someone living in China. 谢谢！
I know this question is weird but what if I am teaching in China or just visiting and suddenly a war is announced between my home country (USA) and China? Do you think I could maybe go back home or would they hold me there?
I think the last thing China would want is a potential spy in their homeland. Pretty sure they would just let you leave, especially if you are not a high profile person that even your own government wouldn't care about.
Hi, im 21 and I was born in australia and im ethnically Latino/British. I have the 160 hour tefl certificate, im a native english speaker but I dont have a bachelors degree, although I do have a cert IV in screen and media. Im getting the Z Visa class B based on the points based system which I have enough points to get. Do you know if there are places that would hire me without the bachelors degree but hire me based on the fact im a native speaker and have a 160 hour tefl cert. If so can you reccomend me some websites on where to apply for these jobs?
It really depends. For big cities or good schools (private or international schools), the requirements are getting higher and higher. Positions are usually posted on LinkedIn or other major job hunting websites. So, you may need to consider some positions at public schools, private schools, or institutions in smaller cities or at lower-level schools like elementary schools. This will allow you to gain some experience and learn some Chinese to prepare for better positions in the future. You need to do more research on these positions and where they post. One thing you need to consider is that we tend to hire more native English speaker-looking people (white) than Asian Americans or others.
I am so desperate for learning English well in order to run out of this regime , I want freedom , I want democracy and humen right , I don't want to have to use VPN to write down this comment . the gov is so digusting . Bty I am so happy you can feel so comfortable in living China and get such high saraly , but most of Chinese are actually struggling with their living , most us just can get 500$ per month which is half of your Apartmen payment , I am hoping China one day can become democratic country so I can have a way to love it and build it .
I once found myself living in Beijing near the Jiulongshan 地铁站 in a house full of Russians with broken English while all fully being employed. While I being an over educated fool couldn't secure a teaching gig. Wanna take a guess why?
Thanks Andre, I'm 23 and feeling a bit overwhelmed about going over to China but I'll give it my best shot. Great video as always.
hey bro, im 29 and probably heading to chengdu by the end of this month. i too am a little overwhelmed, but dont worry man. we got this!
@@ouimanreacts5022 Feeling this! 33 lol
Be careful not to lose hard earned money, as mainland Chinese employers are untrustworthy. Hence, losing thousands of dollars on relocation.
It's very cool that you dive into depth without repeating the same thing mostly other people tells. For anyone who wants to stay in a long term, seeking any other opportunities outside of work in international trade or own business would be helpful.
Thanks Andre, just curious how old were you when you first moved to teach abroad?
Some good insights Can I ask how you went about finding a job there? Through a recruiter or direct with the school?
Agree. Especially for young people, China will open your eyes as far as experience and preconception goes
Thanks Andre.
Ey Andre, thanks for this clip, I have been wondering as many other on your experience in china so far. Looks like you have been in the making for a couple of years at the moment, I had lived back in 2008 till 2018 and frankly I am starting to miss it. We all would love to get some tips from you, specially me as I am also an English teacher and language lover.
really depends on how foreigner being considered themselves... actually having a family over China and then building stuff bit by bit... I believe that is really great.. regarding long term plan, I find some foreigner setup AirBNB on china, which definitely a plan B in future.
Good insight!
About your second "con"-"Chinese culture is hard to understand," I would say that learning any culture should be a "pro" because it helps to broaden one's perspectives, and I think the main draw to China to most foreigners IS the Chinese culture rather than just teaching jobs. If money is the only reason to stay in China, that's sad. It wouldn't make any sense to go to another country if the person had no interest in its culture. Every culture and language is unique which is the driving force for travelers. If going to China is like going to Detroit, no one would go to China. All the best to you.😊
I have been teaching english online for years and would like to teach in China. I don't know if that's possible though since I'm mexican. English isn't my native language but I learned it when I was a child and it very well could be my first language. I lived in the US and actually had a hard time speaking spanish again when I moved back to Mexico. Anyway, great video!
Hi, live in China and I know Mexicans who work in China As native Spanish teachers and English teachers.
To get you a Visa they will usually just register you as a native Spanish Teacher with the local authorities and just let you teach English in the class. There are still many non native English teachers in China.
Why not be a Spanish teacher? It seems that "business" languages are all highly valued in China. The main ones would be English, Arabic, Spanish, and French.
You can get a job for college or university in second or third layer cities
There are spanish teaching jobs in china. In fact, i've seen ads looking for english and spanish teachers!
I found a teaching position in Zhengzhou, and I'll possibly be there very soon. Any advice for a brother?
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Hi, thank you so much for creating this informative video! I’ve visited China twice and am considering moving there. However, your point about the skills gained in China not being transferable concerns me. Have you thought about a plan B in case you decide to stop teaching, or do you plan to stay indefinitely?
This is a good informational video I want to teach abroad not sure where I would love to learn mandarin and I think it would help with making connections and getting experience I'm just confused/surprised you said there are no transferrable skills if I return back to my home country. How are there no transferrable skills? I want to be a teacher anyways in my home country.
Very interesting video. Do you have an ESL degree or were you able to find a teaching job without it?
You don't need an ESL degree. You need a bachelor's (anyone is fine, but maybe a Humanities or social science major is preferable) and a TEFL certificate, which you can get online from various places, some more legit than others. Specifically, a 120 Hour cert.
Getting an undergrad in ESL isn't a good idea, but if one tries and enjoys it, a master's in it can be okay. But really, getting something adjacent, like English, Education, or even any decent specialty subject is better than majoring in just TEFL.
Very informative video.Can you share recruiters or schools, I got teaching licence, for Economics & Busines studies, with 4 years experience.
@@TobekaMbadlanyana You could get into subject teaching with a license and teach business. It's possible, though not certain, that they would prefer you have a TEFL certificate on top of it, which may be necessary for any English teaching job. Sometimes, a subject teacher's secondary goal is teaching the language via students learning the subject.
Dave's ESL cafe is a mainstay for recruiters, for East Asia. Or echinacities, for China. Recruiters will lie to you and push you to kindergartens and training centers. Don't believe it, you don't have to start there. But you may need to apply at the right time for the new semesters.
@@TobekaMbadlanyana I should also mention, there's a chance you can teach at a university, but not a big one. Universities will allow someone with a BA and cert to teach, but mainly just oral language skills. Cush job, I hear.
That is all true for the western people like you. Working as a teacher in China is really good with regards to pay, benefits and treatment regardless of your educational background as long as you are white and native English speakers.But not true for Asian people despite of higher educational attainment and good skills in teaching mostly paid only 1/4 of the salary usually receiving by the whites and people from Africa. Imagine while others receiving 25k or even higher many Asian teachers in China only paid starting from 4k. Hoping that people should be compensated not according to the race or nationality but should be on the basis of the capabilities and skills. Good luck to you , all the best!
Agreed
Hi Andre, I was wondering if the ESl job opportunities you mentioned merely benefits the native speakers. I have an M.A. in TEFL and 12 years of experience. I currently live and work in Oman but I don't like the Islamic culture so I'm thinking of moving to China. How big of a chance do you think I might have?
I did a video about pros and cons teaching in the US vs China
Hi Andre, awesome video, I'm going to GuangZhou and starting my teaching career at a teaching center and was wondering if you can give me some guidance as I know you started your career at a teaching center (I'm starting with EF btw, do you know anyone that worked there? or heard anything?) how did you find such a good school in a short amount of time?
How? Ef doesn!t exist here anymore. Nearly all training centers, including ef, closed down after covud
I'm working at an EF center in Guangzhou right now. The pay isn't that good (14500k to start) and you'll probably work long hours. Most of the international teachers quit or try to find a new job elsewhere. A lot of your experience will depend on which center they send you to. Some are much better than others. Overall, I think it's an okay job if you're just starting out, but there is no real reason to stay there longer than you have to.
@@goatherder920 Thank you! this is helpful information and yea....that's what they offered me too for salary lol, I know I'm not going back at a good time as I will hit the high season (summer courses) but hows the working environment and workload? do you mind me asking which area they've assigned you to? they've assigned me to yuexiu area and I'm not sure what to expect
@@Ciel750 Glad I could help! Summer courses start in the middle of July and end in the beginning of September. You'll probably have to teach phonics/storytellers for up to 3 hours a day, 4 days a week (in addition to your normal classes). You will most likely just have Tuesday off. The workload is very high, but will vary from center to center. Right now, in my normal schedule, I have 28.5 ACH (academic teaching hours), which are 40 mins each. The maximum ACH is 30 excluding summer/winter course.
At my center, my coworkers are nice and everyone gets along for the most part. The work load is higher than most centers. Some centers are extremely competitive and strict, so it really just depends on the luck of the draw TBH.
I'm living in Huangpu, which is at the end of metro line 6 (Xiangxue) center GZ16. I think you might be at GZ9 or GZ10. GZ9 is more competitive and way too crowded, but the workload is less. Not really sure where you're at without knowing the metro stop. When you get here, they will put you up in a hotel for 2 weeks (mine was the Paco hotel in Beijing Lu). When you get an apartment, try to avoid using the agent that they recommend. The best option is to go directly to a landlord, if you can get someone from your center to give you a recommendation.
Let me know if you have any other questions. Best of luck!
@@goatherder920 oh. I see. They used to have many locations here in China, but based off the information I saw on their website, there are only located in Shanghai and Guangzhou now.
What about an Indian English teacher, is it possible in chaina
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Hey I would love to come to China and teach english but everywhere I've read that you need a bachelors degree to get your Z visa. Is that true? Could i potentially get a job with just a TEFL certificate? It would be really awesome to get some current information from someone living in China. 谢谢！
I know this question is weird but what if I am teaching in China or just visiting and suddenly a war is announced between my home country (USA) and China? Do you think I could maybe go back home or would they hold me there?
I think the last thing China would want is a potential spy in their homeland. Pretty sure they would just let you leave, especially if you are not a high profile person that even your own government wouldn't care about.
US Embassy will warn u before war
Don't worry abt that, even during the Korean War, Americans haven't been held, China is not Hamas...
There'll be a war in like 5-6 years but not with the US, I wouldn't worry about it too much.
Yes they just killed Malaysians you know 😂😂😂 you are very sarcastic@@lizhijun1116
Hello,
I'm trying to find a job in China, do you have a trusted agent or what's the best way to find a job in China?
what is minimum requirement to Teach online English in china After passing MBBS or engineering ?
Hi, im 21 and I was born in australia and im ethnically Latino/British. I have the 160 hour tefl certificate, im a native english speaker but I dont have a bachelors degree, although I do have a cert IV in screen and media. Im getting the Z Visa class B based on the points based system which I have enough points to get.
Do you know if there are places that would hire me without the bachelors degree but hire me based on the fact im a native speaker and have a 160 hour tefl cert. If so can you reccomend me some websites on where to apply for these jobs?
It really depends. For big cities or good schools (private or international schools), the requirements are getting higher and higher. Positions are usually posted on LinkedIn or other major job hunting websites. So, you may need to consider some positions at public schools, private schools, or institutions in smaller cities or at lower-level schools like elementary schools. This will allow you to gain some experience and learn some Chinese to prepare for better positions in the future. You need to do more research on these positions and where they post. One thing you need to consider is that we tend to hire more native English speaker-looking people (white) than Asian Americans or others.
@@HaoyunLi-ex6mo Are you a recruiter? If so any website recommendations? I suppose I have white features but I do have tan-brown skin
@@starszsakuga www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=esl+teacher+china&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#ip=1
@@starszsakuga like "go overseas"
hey, could you put me in contact with a recruiter?
Can I ask do you have a bachelor degree?
If you have a bachelor degree and TEFL certificate is it easy to get recruiter or agent ?
You can just come to China. If you are whites job will come or find you. In short, much easier.
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I am so desperate for learning English well in order to run out of this regime , I want freedom , I want democracy and humen right , I don't want to have to use VPN to write down this comment . the gov is so digusting . Bty I am so happy you can feel so comfortable in living China and get such high saraly , but most of Chinese are actually struggling with their living , most us just can get 500$ per month which is half of your Apartmen payment , I am hoping China one day can become democratic country so I can have a way to love it and build it .
对了还有，你中文很棒哦
You can save money in chia. Hahhha. I am also a teacher in China
I once found myself living in Beijing near the Jiulongshan 地铁站 in a house full of Russians with broken English while all fully being employed. While I being an over educated fool couldn't secure a teaching gig. Wanna take a guess why?
why
Yeah why? Are you black?
你好，建议把中文字幕打开，我这种半吊子英文的，你说的快的话我就听不懂
U have stayed three years there. Maybe you just refused to relate to their culture given your ability of mandarin