@itsuki2877 dark of the moon and even 2007s made no sense. Those movies were cliche, aged poorly, and were filled with actors who look back on the movies and hate it. There's a reason Shia lebeuf could barely handle watching them
"Bumblebee" was not a flop. It was solidly profitable. Budget of $135M it made back it's budget. There are tons of reasons why the recent films had under performed. Yes with Bay around they performed great at the box office. Hasbro gave up on the IP when Goldner wouldn't. Paramount basically ruined Transformers due to It's reputation. That is the true reason why the recent Transformers movies underperformed.
@@Galvatron_Studios yea it is, it was lower and lower after 07, but for rotb the domestic box office showed a increase after tlk and bumblebee, but it was still pretty low result
@@costa2794 and yet Bayverse still made 4 more sequels. Bumblebee was originally supposed to get a sequel, but because domestic numbers were so low, all sequel ideas were merged with Beast Wars ideas. That’s how we ended up with ROTB. If that were the case with Bayverse, we wouldn’t have gotten 4 more sequels after 2007.
Paramount should’ve taken the L when TLK flopped and just made one more movie to finish Bayverse properly. Even if Bay wasn’t involved as director. Or they could’ve at least made ROTB a Days of Future Past type of movie to give the fans closure.
He didnt even wanted to be back for aoe, what the franchise truly need is to stop doing live action for some years (5 to 10 years) and return with a proper plan for the movies with a better formula or trying to do different types of movies
I would personally love a movie with the tone of ROTB and the Bayformers action and style. I loved TF One but the kiddy nature of the marketing brought it down for the general audience. In order to save the brand the way we need to capitalize on the nostalgia of the original Bay films while giving the TF characters the attention they deserve.
So these are our two options we either a get Michael Bay back to make more transformers movies with explosions. Happening everywhere tits and ass, boring human sub plot that rob all the spotlight away from the robots. dirty jokes offensive stereotypes, and inappropriate situations. With master class hyper realistic cg giant robots, or quality storytelling peak, CG animation straight out of a painting. Giving emotional depth to the robots and their personality. And no human character to ruin everything and hog all the attention away from the transformers. 😐
Quality storytelling peak? where? they are giant robots fighting other giant robots and u care about emotional depths? go watch some drama or something if you want that transformer is supposed to be an action genre i don't hate the new generation but they are inferior in terms of action to the old verse i love a good story and deep characters as much as anyone not just on an action film i didn't watch and enjoy John wick because it was the best story ever made or the character is so deep i watch and enjoy it cause it's a non stop action film on an AN ACTION FILM
@@jcmarcelo192 if you see the transformer only as a action movie than you know absolute shit about the franchise, it could be so much more but if you keep it only as a action movie then just let it die
@@costa2794 i'm the type of guy who cares about lore and story of a franchise/story but i also know to differentiate different genre's i agree it could be so much more but did the new verse delivers it?? besides bumblebee nothing of the new verse is on par with the old verse aside revenge cause that one sucks don't get me wrong the new verse are decent but that's all they are DECENT AT BEST(besides bumblebee)
@jcmarcelo192 that is why i actually want them to cancel everything (only live action) and start again after waiting for 5 to 10 years, since for now the live action didnt really do justice to the franchise even when they made money
they made money cause of the establish franchise yet this out of touch executives tend to ruin it by inserting their narratives into them i'm just glad that little by little consumers are realizing that we don't have to pay them for a product we doesn't want
I think its too late to save the bayverse, the movies were good, but a lot of wasted potentiall and a remake of the bay movies wont be anything special like the old bay movies.
@@Csthedirector transformers 1? it flopped because: 1: the trailer made it look like an all "shits and giggles" movie which did not sit well with the general public. when in reality the movie has jokes, but the overall story is much darker than the trailer presented 2: the marketing was shit. i didn't even know the movie was coming out until three weeks before release date 3: there were so many good movies this year that people were still riding out the hype for those movies for months afterwards we are all entitled to our opinions but saying that a movie which has been wanted by the fans for over a decade is not what the fans wanted and giving a false reason why it flopped is not a good way to explain your argument
@@PoIarisPrime other than its bad reception, bad reviews, bad writing, bad almost everything. the one thing that carried the bayverse is the transformers scenes
We definitely need a Transformers 6 with Shia Labeouf or Mark Wahlberg, I personally loved that first trilogy & was fortunate to have seen 2 & 3 in the theater which were great cinematic expirences so having a new sequel with Bay back would be epic AF.
If Transformers is a successiful franchise is for Bayverse. I love the first trilogy, Dark Of The Moon just iconic. Resurrect Starscream, make a new realistic Bayverse design and make him next Decepticon leader villain.
Skybound's is the perfect way to establish a new Transformers Universe. Don't get me wrong, im a big fan of the bayverse, but with how Skybound was doing, I think its safe to say, lets use that as a blueprint for a new Transformers universe after we get the final bayverse film. Have Daniel Warren Johnson at the writing helm and have Zack be at the director and cinematographer helm and bay be the executive producer. Travis will also be a good addition to this new Transformers Snyderverse that utilizes Skybound in the best way possible as it's the perfect mesh between the brutality and the grittiness of the bayverse and the heart and soul of G1.
Nah man, you just don't get it. I agree not everything has to be G1 but the main aspect of G1 fans want is humanizing the Transformers and putting them as the focus over human characters. Bumblebee did well and was relieved and the reason ROTBs wasn't is because it went back to the Bayverse formula. I love the bayverse but it is the reason the brand is struggling so much, the refusal to let go of the Bayverse is what hurt all their newer projects.
@@windfire05you don’t speak for all transformers fans, just say you don’t care for the G1 series and move on. You are not the center of the universe contrary to your belief, you’re just a narcissist.
My opinion about Michael Bay is complicated. I think that Lorenzo di Bonaventura is bigger problem. MB at least proved himself as producer - thanks to him we have Bumblebee and One. ROTB on the other hand was Bayverse movie not directed Michael Bay. It's unlikely that Steven Caple Jr. wanted to mimic other director's style. So the problem is propably somwhere else.
Dude that's a bad idea one maybe you're not seeing why bayverse flopped it didn't have good writing it excuted poorly It lame jokes took 99 minutes of screentime the robots and only focused only on humans We came to see transformers have about the robots themselves also because they're living beings and characters and should as such You can not bring back after so many poor choices with this continuity they dont need Michael bay back as in proven in a later that film flopped only because lorenzo the one responsible for the films in the first place bayverse only started to rust like a bad scar Opening it's just idea if your willing to downgrade to something that has respected the franchise then you respect the franchise then no one Should have you need to look back at the movies and consider he'll just do it again The one thing the sonic movie Did right was treating the characters that weren't human As much as a human character meaning amount of screen witch the bayverse failed to do showing small isnt enough to make a audience like that no one wants every to be a senseless action movie with no heart and you will know transformers one and I mean the new despite it flopping because of sabotage will always be a far better transformers than all bayfilms bayverse has too many plotholes to comeback Ps I was a bayverse fan and I now ripped off by it cause I value a good over action
Naw I would like to see more of the Transformers that look like the first bumblebee movie in the first 5 minutes not the Michael Bay walking junk piles & humans with childish humor it has run its course
@@CsthedirectorLol ? What's so funny about a Transformers movie not doing well at the box office do you like Transformers or just the childish humor ? all I'm saying is an entire movie like bumblebee first 5 might work it didn't flop it wouldn't have had a semi sequel if it did🤷🏾♂️ so are you down for more racist robot twins?
Nope nope and nope. You seriously want to go back to an era of movies where the Transformers are side characters in their own franchise. Keep dreaming, because it ain't happening
Not really the movies we're declining with bay. Tlk almost made paramount bankrupt and aoe was saved by China domestically it kinda underperformed. Bee movie didn't flop bc the budget was only 50 mil. The bay toys have always been a success but it doesn't really translate to movie sales. The clearance figures are almost all trash gimmick toys that have been going on deep clearance since 2007s line, nothing really new. I love bayverse but some of the points here are wrong, no offense to you bro keep making good videos but alot of these points were factually wrong.
Transformers one is perfect and only failed at the box office because of the bad marketing not because the story as for rise of the beast well they try to ram as much as possible in it like the beast war characters uniccron the terrorcons and not make the design accurate to G1 like giving Optimus prime a mouth like the bayformers version and the bumblebee movie was good but failed because the next film afterwards did not live up to the hype idk if getting the bayformers back would fix things plus I do like the bayformers films well with maybe the exception of the last knight
Transformers really needs Bay back. Especially after that garbage movie Rise of the Beast. TBH, i loved the Bumblebee movie. I truly lived up to the Bayverse, maybe even more. But when Rise of the Beast came out, It was a massive flop that was strait up garbage! The Last Knight was miles better than Rise of the Trash, and how many miles do i mean? From Earth to Cybertron. I genuinely like Transformers One. To me, it was awesome and underrated. I blame the awful advertising for its failure.
transformers one was a good film but the marketers were lazy a-hats that wanted to do other stuff instead and were secretly cross about it and with Mexico being insensitive cowards doing controversies with assaulters and pedos being voicers and not having actual one because of possible denial etc
@Csthedirector I agree with the humans needing to be better and the fights needing more Bayverse action. But I disagree about bots. Their designs were very cheap in ROTB(Bumblebee had a lesser budget and had great G1 acute designs). Optimus was very out of character. Mirage was very annoying. Wheeljack had the worst design. Bumblebee was hardly in it. All the Maximals was hardly in the movie. Unicron hardly appeared, and I personally think he shouldn't have appeared at all
You're hilarious this take is just not it at all. They flopped because of lack of advertising. The bays films were a crime to the transformers universe dude.
Nah, this is just your opinion, but box office and reviews says what they says. Movie from 2007 earned 7 billion dolars worldwide. On filmweb he has 7 stars rate from fans. You are just bay hater who can't see good sides of the bay movies.
Imagine having the most successful era of Transformers media ever making 5 billion dollars across 5 movies and throwing it all in the trash because people didn't like one out of all 5 aka The Last Knight. If Disney did this with the MCU it would have died after Thor 1 and Captain America 1.
Yes because why would people want transformers to be actually main characters in a transformer film. They should be a side character like they are in the bayverse.
@@TheWildRobotHypeFan2025 It's Funny how despite TF WFC, FOC, IDW, Prime, BotShots, Earthspark, and so on never needed a movie and still incorporated G1. During those times, the toy lines lasted well enough to use G1 themes because I don't know, maybe the G1 template works lol. Meanwhile, the Bay designs are only found in Bay films and toys, lol.
I’m in total agreement for bringing back the bayverse at least so it can finish its story but there is some parts of the video are just flat out false Firstly while bumblebee made less money then last knight at the box office it actually was more successful due to its smaller budget compared to last knight Secondly beast wars revived the franchise after g1 its a fact, beast wars was highly successful and so was 2002’s transformers armada, hell armada was so successful hasbro had to repaint beast wars figures just to have figures on the shelf because they kept selling out too quickly 3. I get you might not like the newer films but the audience scores clearly love them so to say they aren’t successful is incorrect they just aren’t financially successful But yeah I do agree it’s time for bayverse to comeback and finish, he’ll maybe do a multiverse plot to tie all these new films into one giant timeline I think that would be awesome
Bumblebee did fine after the whole creepy Romeo and Juliette filth tanked the Bayverse. Rise of Beasties was a stupid misstep as it wasn’t a sequel to Bumblebee. TFOne was just a poor generic mystery box movie. I loved Crosshairs, Hound and Dino in Bayverse but no one wants characters like Shane creeping on teenagers so I don’t see it as the answer bringing him back.
EXACTLY!!! Most TF1 fans literally cant understand that majority of people do NOT care about transformers, people who was go to 2007 in theathers arent even know about autobots or decepticons and about Peter Cullen perfomance especially. And it's succeed not because they made good trailer. Trailers was just average for action movies at that time. U cant just convince 18+ people to watch tf1 with that blocky design and childish shiny colors, by even just looking at some of the screens u will subconsciously think that it's for kids, it's failed not because of "bad marketing" but minimum because of wrong visual direction and then u realize it's just weak direction of the movie overall
Transformers One was hands down one of the best transformers movie ..
Nah dotm and 2007 was better, but tf one was amazing
@itsuki2877 thats why i said "one of the best" not best.
@@GoldySingh-hs8ds ah I read it wrong my fault
@itsuki2877 no worries brotha.👍🏻
@itsuki2877 dark of the moon and even 2007s made no sense. Those movies were cliche, aged poorly, and were filled with actors who look back on the movies and hate it. There's a reason Shia lebeuf could barely handle watching them
Yes because we totally want transformers to be side characters in their own film like it is in the bayverse😒.
@vinayakshankar4873 I do and plenty of other fans too
I’m all in. That’d be incredible to have Bay comeback and have a new story with Shia. Those Bayformer movies were very successful and badass.
Despite Shia saying multiple times he wants nothing to do with the franchise
hell the #Bayverse is the reason why I am into transformers
Same!!!!💯😎🤙
"Bumblebee" was not a flop. It was solidly profitable. Budget of $135M it made back it's budget. There are tons of reasons why the recent films had under performed. Yes with Bay around they performed great at the box office. Hasbro gave up on the IP when Goldner wouldn't. Paramount basically ruined Transformers due to It's reputation. That is the true reason why the recent Transformers movies underperformed.
Internationally it did well, but domestically it flopped hard.
@@Galvatron_Studiosis was a downhill after the 07 movie domestically
@@costa2794 no, it wasn’t…
@@Galvatron_Studios yea it is, it was lower and lower after 07, but for rotb the domestic box office showed a increase after tlk and bumblebee, but it was still pretty low result
@@costa2794 and yet Bayverse still made 4 more sequels. Bumblebee was originally supposed to get a sequel, but because domestic numbers were so low, all sequel ideas were merged with Beast Wars ideas. That’s how we ended up with ROTB. If that were the case with Bayverse, we wouldn’t have gotten 4 more sequels after 2007.
BBB = Bring Back Bay
also
BBB = Bring Back Bumblebee
Paramount should’ve taken the L when TLK flopped and just made one more movie to finish Bayverse properly. Even if Bay wasn’t involved as director. Or they could’ve at least made ROTB a Days of Future Past type of movie to give the fans closure.
@@Galvatron_Studios 🎯👍
As much as i grew up with those movies, i dont see hasbro bringing Michael bay back as a director and they're trying to do something else
The Transformers movie franchise is dead Hasbro already made it official. No more funding for Hasbro based movies.
Other sources state that hasbro won't co finance their toy based films is what I read
He didnt even wanted to be back for aoe, what the franchise truly need is to stop doing live action for some years (5 to 10 years) and return with a proper plan for the movies with a better formula or trying to do different types of movies
As a Bayverse fan, they should start with Rise of Unicron and restore the scrapped writer’s room from 2017.
That would be cool
I hope Elon musk buys Paramount so we can get the transformers Michael Bay movies revived and finish the storyline with Unicron #restorethebayverse
@dragonnet289 Exactly, we need quality films again, enough of the hollywoke agendas, we the fans deserve better 👍💪
Bah! Ain’t no soul in Hollywood is gonna want Elon Musk near their properties. He can go eat a cactus raw for all I care.
If they’re gonna bring Michael Bay back, I want him to give us a proper ending to the franchise.
Would be awesome 👌
I would personally love a movie with the tone of ROTB and the Bayformers action and style. I loved TF One but the kiddy nature of the marketing brought it down for the general audience. In order to save the brand the way we need to capitalize on the nostalgia of the original Bay films while giving the TF characters the attention they deserve.
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We don’t need Michael bay back. He awas good but his time is over.
With MB the cinematic universe was wayyy better off, can't say the same now
So these are our two options we either a get Michael Bay back to make more transformers movies with explosions. Happening everywhere tits and ass, boring human sub plot that rob all the spotlight away from the robots. dirty jokes offensive stereotypes, and inappropriate situations. With master class hyper realistic cg giant robots, or quality storytelling peak, CG animation straight out of a painting. Giving emotional depth to the robots and their personality. And no human character to ruin everything and hog all the attention away from the transformers. 😐
Quality storytelling peak?
where?
they are giant robots fighting other giant robots and u care about emotional depths?
go watch some drama or something if you want that
transformer is supposed to be an action genre
i don't hate the new generation but they are inferior in terms of action to the old verse
i love a good story and deep characters as much as anyone
not just on an action film
i didn't watch and enjoy John wick because it was the best story ever made or the character is so deep
i watch and enjoy it cause it's a non stop action film on an AN ACTION FILM
@@jcmarcelo192 if you see the transformer only as a action movie than you know absolute shit about the franchise, it could be so much more but if you keep it only as a action movie then just let it die
@@costa2794 i'm the type of guy who cares about lore and story of a franchise/story
but i also know to differentiate different genre's
i agree it could be so much more but did the new verse delivers it??
besides bumblebee nothing of the new verse is on par with the old verse aside revenge cause that one sucks
don't get me wrong the new verse are decent but that's all they are
DECENT AT BEST(besides bumblebee)
@jcmarcelo192 that is why i actually want them to cancel everything (only live action) and start again after waiting for 5 to 10 years, since for now the live action didnt really do justice to the franchise even when they made money
they made money cause of the establish franchise yet this out of touch executives tend to ruin it by inserting their narratives into them
i'm just glad that little by little consumers are realizing that we don't have to pay them for a product we doesn't want
I think its too late to save the bayverse, the movies were good, but a lot of wasted potentiall and a remake of the bay movies wont be anything special like the old bay movies.
They can still redeem and build on what's still on there, so much potential to connect it all
The reason TF is in such a rut is because of the terrible legacy Bayverse left behind.
@Fatalious always blaming others, TFO is not what the audience nor fans want that's why it flopped
@@Csthedirector transformers 1? it flopped because:
1: the trailer made it look like an all "shits and giggles" movie which did not sit well with the general public. when in reality the movie has jokes, but the overall story is much darker than the trailer presented
2: the marketing was shit. i didn't even know the movie was coming out until three weeks before release date
3: there were so many good movies this year that people were still riding out the hype for those movies for months afterwards
we are all entitled to our opinions but saying that a movie which has been wanted by the fans for over a decade is not what the fans wanted and giving a false reason why it flopped is not a good way to explain your argument
Literally no proof Bayverse is the reason it flopped
@@Honor_OmegaOther person is doing the same thing, blaming the Bayverse for it's bomb at the box office, there's no proof
@@PoIarisPrime other than its bad reception, bad reviews, bad writing, bad almost everything. the one thing that carried the bayverse is the transformers scenes
We definitely need a Transformers 6 with Shia Labeouf or Mark Wahlberg, I personally loved that first trilogy & was fortunate to have seen 2 & 3 in the theater which were great cinematic expirences so having a new sequel with Bay back would be epic AF.
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If Transformers is a successiful franchise is for Bayverse. I love the first trilogy, Dark Of The Moon just iconic. Resurrect Starscream, make a new realistic Bayverse design and make him next Decepticon leader villain.
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A movie set between dark of the moon and age of exctintion would be great
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Skybound's is the perfect way to establish a new Transformers Universe. Don't get me wrong, im a big fan of the bayverse, but with how Skybound was doing, I think its safe to say, lets use that as a blueprint for a new Transformers universe after we get the final bayverse film. Have Daniel Warren Johnson at the writing helm and have Zack be at the director and cinematographer helm and bay be the executive producer. Travis will also be a good addition to this new Transformers Snyderverse that utilizes Skybound in the best way possible as it's the perfect mesh between the brutality and the grittiness of the bayverse and the heart and soul of G1.
I am always a bayverse supporter 😊
Transformers one was good marketing was poor
oh yes.
Nah man, you just don't get it. I agree not everything has to be G1 but the main aspect of G1 fans want is humanizing the Transformers and putting them as the focus over human characters. Bumblebee did well and was relieved and the reason ROTBs wasn't is because it went back to the Bayverse formula. I love the bayverse but it is the reason the brand is struggling so much, the refusal to let go of the Bayverse is what hurt all their newer projects.
Bumblebee and Rise of the Beasts failed because they're G1 fanservice garbage that do nothing different and innovative and nobody cares about G1.
@@windfire05 get your biased opinion out of the conversation the G1 theme is a heavy success across different TF storylines.
@@windfire05you don’t speak for all transformers fans, just say you don’t care for the G1 series and move on. You are not the center of the universe contrary to your belief, you’re just a narcissist.
Michael Bay produced all the Transformers movies, he has always had an involvement in the movies.
@AbruptEdits True but he needs to direct them again at least the 6th and final one if anything
They should remake it as a marvel style cinematic universe, after tlk
@@Karl_Rizal ROTB could've been the start of that
That was originally the plan before The Last Knight bombed.
My opinion about Michael Bay is complicated.
I think that Lorenzo di Bonaventura is bigger problem. MB at least proved himself as producer - thanks to him we have Bumblebee and One.
ROTB on the other hand was Bayverse movie not directed Michael Bay. It's unlikely that Steven Caple Jr. wanted to mimic other director's style. So the problem is propably somwhere else.
Bay Transformers was a spectacle at first
with the designs (albeit overkill), action
and talent. But the 80's film was the best!
Cartoons for what it is yes but live action bayverse was entertaining
In Bayverse, first two and Bumblebee G1 sequences, the best, rewatchable!
They need to start from the beginning make a new universe a fresh start they clearly need time to plan ahead instead of improvising
Transformers one is the best option for that.
@ I fully agree and more to explore in that universe. I really hope we get sequels.
Dude that's a bad idea one maybe you're not seeing why bayverse flopped it didn't have good writing it excuted poorly
It lame jokes took 99 minutes of screentime the robots and only focused only on humans
We came to see transformers have about the robots themselves also because they're living beings and characters and should as such
You can not bring back after so many poor choices with this continuity they dont need Michael bay back as in proven in a later that film flopped only because lorenzo the one responsible for the films in the first place bayverse only started to rust like a bad scar
Opening it's just idea if your willing to downgrade to something that has respected the franchise then you respect the franchise then no one
Should have you need to look back at the movies and consider he'll just do it again
The one thing the sonic movie
Did right was treating the characters that weren't human
As much as a human character meaning amount of screen witch the bayverse failed to do showing small isnt enough to make a audience like that no one wants every to be a senseless action movie with no heart and you will know transformers one and I mean the new despite it flopping because of sabotage will always be a far better transformers than all bayfilms bayverse has too many plotholes to comeback
Ps I was a bayverse fan and I now ripped off by it cause I value a good over action
@sped127right4 I liked it and want more of it, it's my type of entertainment
@Csthedirector my suggestion it doesn't work with transformers
You're gonna go somewhere else if that's what you want
Naw I would like to see more of the Transformers that look like the first bumblebee movie in the first 5 minutes not the Michael Bay walking junk piles & humans with childish humor it has run its course
@scifiguy26 and BB had it's one shot and flopped lol. Bayverse had 5 and influenced rotb and most likely the gi Joe crossover next
@@CsthedirectorLol ? What's so funny about a Transformers movie not doing well at the box office do you like Transformers or just the childish humor ? all I'm saying is an entire movie like bumblebee first 5 might work it didn't flop it wouldn't have had a semi sequel if it did🤷🏾♂️ so are you down for more racist robot twins?
it went down because AOE wasnt that good / new cast wasnt great and the sequel to that reflects the fan sentiment.
Nope nope and nope. You seriously want to go back to an era of movies where the Transformers are side characters in their own franchise. Keep dreaming, because it ain't happening
@MrJoshimusPrime it was wayyy better than it is now lmao
@Csthedirector the closest thing you'll get to anything new from the Bayverse, is you writing your own fanfiction
@MrJoshimusPrime Yeah and I am...
Not really the movies we're declining with bay. Tlk almost made paramount bankrupt and aoe was saved by China domestically it kinda underperformed. Bee movie didn't flop bc the budget was only 50 mil. The bay toys have always been a success but it doesn't really translate to movie sales. The clearance figures are almost all trash gimmick toys that have been going on deep clearance since 2007s line, nothing really new. I love bayverse but some of the points here are wrong, no offense to you bro keep making good videos but alot of these points were factually wrong.
🤷🏻♂️ my opinions
Transformers one is perfect and only failed at the box office because of the bad marketing not because the story as for rise of the beast well they try to ram as much as possible in it like the beast war characters uniccron the terrorcons and not make the design accurate to G1 like giving Optimus prime a mouth like the bayformers version and the bumblebee movie was good but failed because the next film afterwards did not live up to the hype idk if getting the bayformers back would fix things plus I do like the bayformers films well with maybe the exception of the last knight
Transformers really needs Bay back. Especially after that garbage movie Rise of the Beast. TBH, i loved the Bumblebee movie. I truly lived up to the Bayverse, maybe even more. But when Rise of the Beast came out, It was a massive flop that was strait up garbage! The Last Knight was miles better than Rise of the Trash, and how many miles do i mean? From Earth to Cybertron.
I genuinely like Transformers One. To me, it was awesome and underrated. I blame the awful advertising for its failure.
transformers one was a good film but the marketers were lazy a-hats that wanted to do other stuff instead and were secretly cross about it and with Mexico being insensitive cowards doing controversies with assaulters and pedos being voicers and not having actual one because of possible denial etc
I disagree. ROTB was good. I also liked the Bumblebee movie.
Rotb was good w the bots but not the human characters, it needed more bayverse type of action
@@Csthedirector Your opinion. I personally liked it all
@Csthedirector I agree with the humans needing to be better and the fights needing more Bayverse action. But I disagree about bots. Their designs were very cheap in ROTB(Bumblebee had a lesser budget and had great G1 acute designs). Optimus was very out of character. Mirage was very annoying. Wheeljack had the worst design. Bumblebee was hardly in it. All the Maximals was hardly in the movie. Unicron hardly appeared, and I personally think he shouldn't have appeared at all
You're hilarious this take is just not it at all. They flopped because of lack of advertising. The bays films were a crime to the transformers universe dude.
Nah, this is just your opinion, but box office and reviews says what they says. Movie from 2007 earned 7 billion dolars worldwide. On filmweb he has 7 stars rate from fans. You are just bay hater who can't see good sides of the bay movies.
Despite the hate, I think that Last Knight had pretty epic scenes, Steve Jablonsky was on fire.
Imagine having the most successful era of Transformers media ever making 5 billion dollars across 5 movies and throwing it all in the trash because people didn't like one out of all 5 aka The Last Knight. If Disney did this with the MCU it would have died after Thor 1 and Captain America 1.
There are more reasons than just that but sure let's act like that's a legit reason why the films ended.
@@TheWildRobotHypeFan2025 One day they hopefully will.
Yes because why would people want transformers to be actually main characters in a transformer film.
They should be a side character like they are in the bayverse.
@@TheWildRobotHypeFan2025 It's Funny how despite TF WFC, FOC, IDW, Prime, BotShots, Earthspark, and so on never needed a movie and still incorporated G1. During those times, the toy lines lasted well enough to use G1 themes because I don't know, maybe the G1 template works lol. Meanwhile, the Bay designs are only found in Bay films and toys, lol.
I’m in total agreement for bringing back the bayverse at least so it can finish its story but there is some parts of the video are just flat out false
Firstly while bumblebee made less money then last knight at the box office it actually was more successful due to its smaller budget compared to last knight
Secondly beast wars revived the franchise after g1 its a fact, beast wars was highly successful and so was 2002’s transformers armada, hell armada was so successful hasbro had to repaint beast wars figures just to have figures on the shelf because they kept selling out too quickly
3. I get you might not like the newer films but the audience scores clearly love them so to say they aren’t successful is incorrect they just aren’t financially successful
But yeah I do agree it’s time for bayverse to comeback and finish, he’ll maybe do a multiverse plot to tie all these new films into one giant timeline I think that would be awesome
Hell Yeah!!!! #RestoreTheBayVerse
Really bro
No lol
Bumblebee did fine after the whole creepy Romeo and Juliette filth tanked the Bayverse.
Rise of Beasties was a stupid misstep as it wasn’t a sequel to Bumblebee.
TFOne was just a poor generic mystery box movie.
I loved Crosshairs, Hound and Dino in Bayverse but no one wants characters like Shane creeping on teenagers so I don’t see it as the answer bringing him back.
EXACTLY!!! Most TF1 fans literally cant understand that majority of people do NOT care about transformers, people who was go to 2007 in theathers arent even know about autobots or decepticons and about Peter Cullen perfomance especially. And it's succeed not because they made good trailer. Trailers was just average for action movies at that time. U cant just convince 18+ people to watch tf1 with that blocky design and childish shiny colors, by even just looking at some of the screens u will subconsciously think that it's for kids, it's failed not because of "bad marketing" but minimum because of wrong visual direction and then u realize it's just weak direction of the movie overall
In what sense is Optimus best friends with Megatron? Bad canon. That's like Joker and Batman growingup being best buds lol.