PL v Man City - What does this mean for Newcastle United? | TF Podcast
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- Опубліковано 9 чер 2024
- Si is joined by Harry De Cosmo, Adam Clery and Jon Lane to discuss the current situation between the Premier League and Manchester City, and what will Newcastle United do?
What is actually happening?
Why haven't Newcastle got formally involved in this?
What happens next? and how should NUFC respond?
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Where was the "fair market value" for sponsorship when Ashley paid Newcastle tens of thousands to advertise SD for 15 years whilst the going rate was tens of millions?
I didn't hear the PL or other clubs saying it wasn't fair then.
Can we get compensation?
we bl**dy well SHOULD get compensation. doubt we ever would though
Ashley probably 2 contracts with Castor, one with NUFC and a second for Castor with Sports Direct. So Ashley could undervalue the contracts and money NUFC got, whilst getting Castor to give Sports Direct better terms like cheaper shirts. Ashley keeps the Sports Direct contracts confidential and probably with non disclosure agreement.
It wasn't more than fair value so why would they
@@beard6160 Do you understand what the term "fair market value" means? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@craiglee3653 yes and it's revenue based so Mike Ashley's would've passed easily being so low. I'm afraid your post is a fail. I don't agree with FFP or any of the revenue based anti competition rules, but what Mike Ashley did is irrelevant.
ANY other business in the country is allowed to spend and grow. Who are the PL to dictate that we can’t? Infuriates me that they are simply stopping all but the top 4 from improving their squads😡
The PL have let Newcastle go on a spending spree of £575million in recent years while having to sell just £35m.
How’s that not been allowed to spend and rise?
Everyone seems to have been brainwashed into thinking it’s a not been allowed to spend coaching magic wand rise story.
The club has gone from having 1 over £30m singing to having 9 £30million-£63million signings.
The squad cost is probably the biggest rise of any pl club in the last few years.
The revenue rise is probably the biggest rise of any pl club in the last few years with the help of inflated Saudi sponsorship like Sela and Noon.
I don’t get why fans are moaning after seeing the club spend so much in recent years and rise.
Everyone talks as if the club hasn’t spent and hasn’t risen it’s bonkers to listen to.
City can expand and grow if they like but not in the premier league, you cant knowingly enter the premier league knowing what you're getting into and then try sue the competition over its rules, that's ridiculous, if city don't like the rules in the prem them leave or put it to a vote like every other club does, you don't sue
it's that simple
They are doing it to attack the 115 charges because they k ow they are fucked
One point not discussed is the rules reduce the attractiveness of new owners buying a Crystal Palace, a Wolves, a West Ham. These clubs are going to be worth less because potential new owners are prevented from investing to improve the club they just bought. I think NUFC and Villa have just managed to join a top 8 but the other 12 premiership clubs are no longer an attractive selling proposition.
Great point on how the media always make out we need to sell Bruno/Isak to meet PSR and not Miggy/Wilson/Longstaff. But then when it’s Chelsea the media say they need to sell Gallagher/Broja/Maatsen etc. and not their best players like Palmer or James. It’s blatantly a pressure tactic.
Great, level headed discussion here guys. Makes a bloody change on UA-cam 👍
Adam is a real master at taking difficult concepts and ideas, be it tactical or strategic, and explaining them for the rest of us to understand.
By the way, can we sell Bruno to a Saudi club for £110m and then immediately buy him back for 50p?
The associated party transactions seemed fine when the likes of everton, Leicester etc were doing it. But as soon as a potential new super power comes in, it's a threat on the cartel.
If there is evidence of collusion between clubs to stop Newcastle becoming competitive, then city will win the case
harry,s explanation was as clear as a pool of mud...
FFP has nothing to do with protecting other clubs…..altruism doesn’t exist in football, only self interest!!
Great pod Si & all
Class analogy Adam
As well as increasing revenue from associated parties, I recently found out that city also reduce their costs by employing a lot of the backroom staff in their parent company (e.g. their entire scouting/recruitment department) so as to remove them from the PSR calculations. As an example, the report I read showed that Man City (the football club, not their parent company) had half as many employees as Man Utd. Along with Chelsea selling hotels to themselves, etc, it's clearly just one big sham that a select few clubs can get away with.
What PIF should do is an escrow account. Stick say 800million in for which Newcastle can use during a 3year period to cover the club for transfers/wages etc
City supporter here is that correct that Adam has just said that city are half a billion in debt ....iv never heard of that ...news to me ..🤔
No they do not 😂😂. City I believe have never taken a loan under CITY FOOTBALL GROUP.😅😊
The Premier League have had anti competitive rules for years. Restrictive Business Practices are against the law but the Premier League get away with it.
I disagree with Harry.
I will.never side with Man U or Liverpool. They are the biggest cheats in the game.
I have always sided with city before their take over and since.
I applauded Chelsea's rise to power and destroying Man U's totalitarian grip on football.
When city came along I was delighted.
This is a simple fix for Nufc and Villa, more allowable loss based on debt to revenue ratio, for example if your debt to revenue ratio is 0:100 you get 100% more allowable losses on top of what you are allowed to begin with.
The way the Cartel controls the game is an absolute disgrace as is the way the press supports them.
I didn't hear much talk in this podcast (while I did appreciate the conversation) surrounding how this action by City might be an offensive meant to push back on the league counter to the upcoming tidal wave of a reviews/rulings pertaining to the alleged 115 FFP violations.
However, City's transfer debt shot up £68m from £136m to £204m, which is their highest ever. Of this, £139m needs to be paid within the next 12 months. On the other hand, City are owed £168m by other clubs, so their net payables are only £36m.19 Nov 2023
Again this twaddle about us not being within PSR regulations. I find it simply insulting to the club management to suggest they can't do basic book keeping, calculate forward and plan accordingly.
What little was needed to stay within PSR regulations was probably sorted by the 2 Aussie games, and why we played 2 games instead of just one.
The rule is actually called "The Newcastle United Amanment Rule" which was stated by PL & it's the elitist clubs did want to lose they control & our board & owners are proper business people & understand all this & have told us we are ĥere for the long game
So if anchoring comes in then surely it doesn't matter so much about 3rd party deals other than the fact we should always be able to match Man Utd Lpool Arsebal....not out spend them but match them.
So effectively currently what they're saying is we don't want you having the same spending power.
Great discussion and Adam is right ultimately (one of Si’s favourite words 😀) the owners may say they want what we want but ‘we’ don’t want £80 for a piece of recycled polyester no matter how good the design (no red numbers this season either which is an odd reversal)
Why is it that none of this is exposed to anti-competition legislation?
I believe that is the route city are going down
@@peternealon430 not a fan of Citeh nor am I a fan of states buying clubs or the amount of money engulfing the game but I don’t understand how they, Citeh, are being dunked upon when the horse bolted long ago with Abramovich. Combine that with the fact that, granted, it’s a sport, but the billions involved in it mean that is secondary to its business functions. We, as a country, rely heavily on the amount of tax footballers play for instance. It’s all ridiculously out of hand.
So, it strikes me that there’s this unworkable mash up of business and competitive sport. What we have is a situation where the compromise is unworkable, unfair and is neither one thing or the other!
Id bet my left nut City contacted Newcastle and Keith Pattinson before they went ahead with this case and asked for any documentation or evidence they collected.
We told the Premier League once the rule came into place that we would sue them, they have known about this for a few years now. The rest of you are only finding out now
@@madeinengland9488 I know that mate, City abstaining from the vote gave us a clue.
Never get why people don't mention Chelsea's shirt sponsor Infitine Athlete? Aka literally a company they set up months prior to anoucnign the deal & is owned by the same guys...a company that literally does nothing.
The PIF is an investment fund, not a charity. They're more than happy to pump as much money into NUFC as they possibly can, but at some point they'll be wanting a return on their investment, not necessarily a financial return, god knows they have enough cash, but i do believe the return they're after is bragging rights as the best of the best. At some point they will flex, regardless of what Staveley or Eales or anyone else at the club say or want, and I don't mind them having a little poke at the boundaries, tbh, given what the likes of Chelsea are getting away with. We're never going to have any friends in football because of who our owners are, so we should just stop trying to be everyone's friend.
We were told you can’t buy success by the clubs who have bought success. When we started winning trophies we were told we’ve bought success and we are cheats 😳🙄
I just wanna spend a crazy load of money and then win a bloody trophy, is that so much to ask when your owners are Saudi Arabia?
Your only hope is man city winning. Which they probly will.
How the media say it’s going to be the Wild West for transfers but it’s just how it was before . Teams will only spend enough to win that money will be filtered around so there will be a natural limit
Project Big Picture shows certain clubs wantant need to have more power & unfair advantage. Its self serving protectionism.
If its all about stopping these things happening again such as leicster winni g the league what the point in watching every season
European Super League incoming. Definitely. This WILL happen. Clubs will branch off to form their own league and have full control over what they can spend. And yes, I know Newcastle wouldn't have been involved in this a few years ago, but Saudi will not sit back and watch Newcastle miss out on the Super League regardless of if we aren't classed as one of the 'big 6' from England yet.
Come on harry with that statement about Newcastle not joining the protest...i bet your one of them in the pub who has that condition
Getingaroundinafobia..😂🍺
Are Leicester still sponsored by King power?
FFP but more so PSR were brought in so smaller clubs (some having illustrious histories) wouldn't go under because their owners were dreadful & mismanaged or, more often, couldn't keep up with the rest ! I understand that but, the emphasis should be on SUSTAINABILITY . However, like everything, the grey suits with the power have gone too far & I have an idea how to solve this but, I think, it involves commonsense. If they allow all teams in the PL to spend up to £500m per season &, whatever they do spend they have to pay a contribution of 10% , this pot of money should not be subject to tax or PL admin fees but filtered down to all the lower league clubs ! Obviously I've just picked those figures out because that's what both Chelsea and manure have spent in the recent past , it's subjective 🎉
If city wins does that open the doors for Newcastle united???
The restrictions on sponsorships are ridiculous. They are extremely anti-competitive, and i hope City win. These stupid rules are hobbling any owners ability to grow their clubs. Banning owners from putting their clubs in loads of debt, you can make a decent argument for (although the PL dont seem to care about Man United's ludicrous debts), but thats not the case with the sponsorship stuff.
If Sela want to sponsor us £300m a season, who cares as long as its not a bloody loan, as long as its not debt. Its the only way any team has a realistic chance of clawing back some ground on Liverpool and Man Ure etc.
I hope Citeh's legal bods perform better against the FA then the team did against manure Jon!
Just to let you know MCFC are still debt free BUT the city football group are in debt but as a football club we are debt free. Please discuss facts that you have researched are know is true. This APT case city started in February and its not the whole APT they are challenging its just the amendment and the voting system. The amendment was brought in november but all clubs voted against it as they wanted the directors to take fall in the amended APT if proven. you can look it up so they went away changed it and brought it back in February when 6 clubs voted against it and 2 abstained
CARTEL CARTEL
Good podcast but sort of missed the point a bit - City are challenging the PL rules as unlawful - if they prove they’re unlawful it changes the whole 115 case due in November - it’s an aggressive move from city linked directly to the case later this year.
Not really. They're challenging the linked sponsorship rules as far as I'm aware.
A lot of the charges are nothing to do with the exaggerated sponsorship deals.
You and all the CLUBS being held back need to keep banging on about THE CARTEL .. Those gits talked most clubs to gobalong with them and they don't give a shit about those clubs.... cartel needs to be the buzz word throwout the league
city not doing this for themselves doing it for all clubs too dream
13:35 What is he waffling. What debt do City have
City are debt free don't know where that's come from.
It's so blatantly anti competitive you can't help but think it's a conspiracy
mcfc 36 million in debit payable s. erling bought for 51m sell price now 200m who said 500m in debt loooooool
ABN. Anyone But Newcastle.
It means nothing
Arsenal can have izak for 300 million or fuck off 😂😂
Quite a lot of waffle here but I agree the rules are bullshit.
Masters=devil