My first encounter with them was the classic, awesome and sadly forgotten Countdown to Doomsday sequel called Matrix Cubed way back on ye old Commodore 64.
Gene Rodenberry explored having an AI ship that was also part of the crew in Andromeda Ascendant. Andromeda had an AI that interacted with her crew via holograms and a second version in an android body that went by the name Rommie. Both evidenced full personalities with Andromeda being colder and more analytical and Rommie expressing more emotions, much like the differences in Data with and without his emotion chip.
Rommie was weird, as she seemed to develop three independent personalities when she started arguing between her android body, her screen avatar and IIRC her holographic avatar.
Minor nitpick..the series was simply Andromeda, 'Andromeda Ascendant' was the name of the ship, rather than the other way around. A shame what Sorbo has become since then.
I do wonder, with many of the organic ships being so old, perhaps the reason they are so powerful can be less attributed to the nature of being organic and rather has more to do with survival bias.
You didnt mention the 8472 Bioship that decided its maker needed to be repurposed and joined forced with the federation alliance in STO. Thats a fun story.
Probably not as much a popular version and also maybe a spoiler, but the series is old enough now, Transformers Animated. Where in the last few episodes of the 2nd season it turned out that the crew's ship, was in fact a transformer himself, Omega Supreme who had been dormant.
yuuzhan vong: It's good to finally meet Species with common sense and i believe this conversation. We'll be beneficial for all of Us star trek 8472: Agreed babylon 5 shadows: Agreed stargate the wraith: Agreed.
FarScape has my favourite Living Ship - Moya is both truly alive (she has a mind, biological systems - she even gives birth!) but also mechanical, with lights, internal maintenance robots, a metallic hull etc. It really highlights the alien-ness that's so pivotal for FarScape's atmosphere and themes. It's only so superficially familiar, and so deeply, deeply alien past the surface.
8:26 It does make sense they are powerful. Because making them requires technology that Starfleet still doesn't have in the 31st century. So anyone that can make them has knowledge far outpacing the Federation. It is like saying "weak for something millenia ahead of us" - which is true, but also still millenia ahead of you.
Would love a Star Trek series utilizing a full on organic, sentient ship like Gomtuu. Even a whole fleet of them. Certainly, a sci-fi niche worth exploring within the Star Trek universe.
You're explanation of how the bio circuits contributed to the expansion of the Doctors programming made so much sense to me. I never thought about that. For the longest time the Star Trek Universe was at the top of my list of Universes i would Never want to actually live in. It seems like you can't take a shit in that universe without it coming to life and demanding human rights.
Regarding the Undine bio ships, In star trek online there is a ship that is full sentient called "dreadnought" I think It acts independently than its pilot and even captures its pilot after tuvok mind melds with it.
Organic ships are a very fascinating concept for me and with that one stellaris DLC i even made a concept of a civilisation achiving spaceflight and FTL by bonding with a species of space dragons, upon which they build their quarters for travel and combat but the space dragon themself are the pilot, ship and engine. and the space farers upon that space dragon are technologically WAAY behind any other species too think like still using a thompson as your most advanced weapon of choice in the post Dominion war era outdated but they have spaceflight and ftl
Can you do a video explaining how Kronos survived the events of the Undiscovered Country when it was supposed to be uninhabitable in 50 years but survived into the next century?
I believe it was uninhabitable in 50 years without the federations help it has been a long time since I watched that movie (watched the clip it was that the Klingons didn't have the resources to deal with it)
I think the reason why they are better ships, is for one the fact they are a lifeform that can thrive in space in the first place (which is quite the feat on its own, giving it unique abilities and resilience) and the other reason is probably, that to make such a ship, you need quite advanced technology, wich means your tech is better than that of anyone else around, so you make the better ship. Basically, if you are able to make a biological ship, it pretty much has to be the best option, because otherwise you would use that advanced technology of yours to make an even better conventional ship.
The whole living ship thing seems to be an inherent way of doing things for the species that use them. It's not like they made metal ships then one day started making more advanced ships that were organic. Their entire technology tree is based upon organic technology from the start. That doesn't mean its better, just different.
with the Breen ships it could be that its organic but wrapped in steel like how you armour a horse. The Breen themselves live in there amour so i wouldnt be shocked if they treat a living ship the same way
On the subject of finding it odd that organic ships are depicted as better, consider this: So far, the biotech of the federation and its contemporaries is inferior (in most aspects) to their mechanical options. So if an alien civilization is advanced enough that their biotech is better than their other options, they’re probably already ahead of the federation’s tech level overall.
I'm not entirely sure if I agree. The Hoover class is a strong contender and so is that weird organic, tentacle shipwreck thing from the animated series
Farscape had a living ship, which was a fascinating concept.
NOT STAR TREK
Mentioned (visually) at the end, alongside the Tardis. :D
Moya!
Also, LEXX
My first encounter with them was the classic, awesome and sadly forgotten Countdown to Doomsday sequel called Matrix Cubed way back on ye old Commodore 64.
The organic technology and ships of the First Ones in Babylon 5 are interesting too
also the chigs ships in space above and beyond - they were grown
Gene Rodenberry explored having an AI ship that was also part of the crew in Andromeda Ascendant. Andromeda had an AI that interacted with her crew via holograms and a second version in an android body that went by the name Rommie. Both evidenced full personalities with Andromeda being colder and more analytical and Rommie expressing more emotions, much like the differences in Data with and without his emotion chip.
Rommie was weird, as she seemed to develop three independent personalities when she started arguing between her android body, her screen avatar and IIRC her holographic avatar.
Minor nitpick..the series was simply Andromeda, 'Andromeda Ascendant' was the name of the ship, rather than the other way around. A shame what Sorbo has become since then.
Right off the bat, my condolences about the recording troubles.
"They're all living ships, you just gatta listen to them" - Scotty, probably
Love this
“You treat her like a lady, and she’ll always bring you home”-McCoy.
@Dominion69420 love this also
I can not do it captain 5 min later its done scotty
Words of Wisom from Capt Montgomery Scott. The miracle worker.
I do wonder, with many of the organic ships being so old, perhaps the reason they are so powerful can be less attributed to the nature of being organic and rather has more to do with survival bias.
"Beware an old man in a profession where men usually die young"?
Why do I imagine you yelling "photoshoooooop!" like kirk did in the wratch of khan when it bugged out on you?
You didnt mention the 8472 Bioship that decided its maker needed to be repurposed and joined forced with the federation alliance in STO. Thats a fun story.
Don't forget Discovery also use that partially biological spore drive, both the spore and the navigator.
Very good point
Probably not as much a popular version and also maybe a spoiler, but the series is old enough now, Transformers Animated. Where in the last few episodes of the 2nd season it turned out that the crew's ship, was in fact a transformer himself, Omega Supreme who had been dormant.
yuuzhan vong: It's good to finally meet Species with common sense and i believe this conversation. We'll be beneficial for all of Us
star trek 8472: Agreed
babylon 5 shadows: Agreed
stargate the wraith: Agreed.
The Vong would happily try and destroy the others... Their organic tech is a function of their genocidal religious fanaticism
Starship Troopers Arachnids: Agreed
40K Tyranids and StarCraft Zerg: Agreed [point at each other] ...Hey, wait, you look familiar
"The Yuuzhan Vong approves this video. Your planet will be spared."
I've edited video and photos for years and I feel your pain. Control and Z... Control and Z... oh the pain.
I always thought of Zora as a digital version of a Trill mind.
Interesting idea
Regarding this topic, it always draws me to Farscape.
Bio-Ships 🤔 I always have reservations about the possible bio odor of its decks and corridors.😅
Merry Christmas and Happy New Years to you Rick.
FarScape has my favourite Living Ship - Moya is both truly alive (she has a mind, biological systems - she even gives birth!) but also mechanical, with lights, internal maintenance robots, a metallic hull etc. It really highlights the alien-ness that's so pivotal for FarScape's atmosphere and themes. It's only so superficially familiar, and so deeply, deeply alien past the surface.
On the point of having the ship as a member of the crew. The sci-fi series andromeda did this for the majority of its run.
@@DeathLands babylon 5 also had the shadows and Vorlon ships as organic sentient ships. Most people forget about these shows 😔
@bull614 love that series for the fighter design
The only living ship i have ever seen done correctly in science fiction is Moya from Farscape. The give birth, bond with a pilot and they die.
8:26 It does make sense they are powerful. Because making them requires technology that Starfleet still doesn't have in the 31st century.
So anyone that can make them has knowledge far outpacing the Federation.
It is like saying "weak for something millenia ahead of us" - which is true, but also still millenia ahead of you.
Would love a Star Trek series utilizing a full on organic, sentient ship like Gomtuu. Even a whole fleet of them.
Certainly, a sci-fi niche worth exploring within the Star Trek universe.
You're explanation of how the bio circuits contributed to the expansion of the Doctors programming made so much sense to me. I never thought about that.
For the longest time the Star Trek Universe was at the top of my list of Universes i would Never want to actually live in. It seems like you can't take a shit in that universe without it coming to life and demanding human rights.
I just had a Lexx flash back because of this video
I was going to say...all the comments, and you're the first one I saw referring to the Lexx.
Regarding the Undine bio ships, In star trek online there is a ship that is full sentient called "dreadnought" I think
It acts independently than its pilot and even captures its pilot after tuvok mind melds with it.
Organic ships are a very fascinating concept for me
and with that one stellaris DLC i even made a concept of a civilisation achiving spaceflight and FTL by bonding with a species of space dragons, upon which they build their quarters for travel and combat but the space dragon themself are the pilot, ship and engine. and the space farers upon that space dragon are technologically WAAY behind any other species too
think like
still using a thompson as your most advanced weapon of choice in the post Dominion war era outdated
but they have spaceflight and ftl
"it's alive! its alive!!!" 🤯
Can you do a video explaining how Kronos survived the events of the Undiscovered Country when it was supposed to be uninhabitable in 50 years but survived into the next century?
I honestly never gave it much thought, but now that you said something, I really want to know as well, lol
Just a theory the Klingons home/capital world is spelt two different ways kronos & Qo'nos gives the impression they just move from one to the other.
I believe it was uninhabitable in 50 years without the federations help it has been a long time since I watched that movie (watched the clip it was that the Klingons didn't have the resources to deal with it)
Federation assisted environmental cleanup
I would be completely satisfied with Discovery’s finale if they didn’t send off poor Zora like that
Great thumbnail
Merry Christmas Certifiably Ingame.
I didn't remember Gontuu meaning to attempt self termination.
Maybe that's where the rest of its kind disappeared
I would add V'Ger after Decker merges with it.
I think the reason why they are better ships, is for one the fact they are a lifeform that can thrive in space in the first place (which is quite the feat on its own, giving it unique abilities and resilience) and the other reason is probably, that to make such a ship, you need quite advanced technology, wich means your tech is better than that of anyone else around, so you make the better ship. Basically, if you are able to make a biological ship, it pretty much has to be the best option, because otherwise you would use that advanced technology of yours to make an even better conventional ship.
The whole living ship thing seems to be an inherent way of doing things for the species that use them. It's not like they made metal ships then one day started making more advanced ships that were organic.
Their entire technology tree is based upon organic technology from the start. That doesn't mean its better, just different.
Tin man ❤️
7:21 Am I misremembering, or didn't we see a star-jellies nursery in PIC S3?
It was something else. The nursery was itself a lifeform apparently. Its just that the offspring happened to look a bit like squid.
Technically, the Texas Class automated ship is alive. Not organic unless it had bio-nueral circuitry but it was self aware and malevolent.
with the Breen ships it could be that its organic but wrapped in steel like how you armour a horse. The Breen themselves live in there amour so i wouldnt be shocked if they treat a living ship the same way
Lexx had a living ship that was the most powerful in the two universes.
But starships are crewmembers. You can't get anything done without them.
1:10 Maybe ðe breen ship is like ðe ðeir own suits!
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How does th living ships in Star Trek compare to Farscape's ones and to the Andromeda Ascendant????
I think therefore I am.
Hope you resolve your Photoshop issue.
Is this video you researching into the possibility of using bio technology to supplement your ability to produce video in lieu of photoshop?
Do they poop?
Another really cool living ship in another series is Moya from Farscape.
Yeah, but that’s NOT STAR TREK
On the subject of finding it odd that organic ships are depicted as better, consider this:
So far, the biotech of the federation and its contemporaries is inferior (in most aspects) to their mechanical options. So if an alien civilization is advanced enough that their biotech is better than their other options, they’re probably already ahead of the federation’s tech level overall.
Enterprise J is Star Treks' ugliest ship...
Nah, maybe ugliest Enterprise, but definitely not “ugliest ship in all of Trek/Starfleet”.
I'm not entirely sure if I agree.
The Hoover class is a strong contender and so is that weird organic, tentacle shipwreck thing from the animated series
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