Hi. In the chat itself, you can remove restrictions from below so that the response is not blocked. And yes, I really like the new version, it has started following the system prompts much better, and it has good eyesight.
Test is for nothing... Because standard Gemini 1.5 pro is the previous one and the new one is in preview. It's always like that with Google ai studio! How could you not know that? :(
You should have - Stayed with the experimental version - Turned off all safety blockers - Tuned down the temperature to minimum - Used a good system prompt For me these are yielding much better results across the board even compared to Claude
I agree, each model requires using a special "dialect" how you are prompting. Google Gemini is quite picky with the context. If that is set right the results of Gemini are quite good (at least for my use cases).
Thank you! I find this Gemini is a huge improvement even compared to Claude in a lot of tasks. I just turned off all the blockers, and tweaked my prompting style a bit, and it's awesome
4 weeks ago I was the biggest Gemini fan for context length/price and performance. its good for super long context the 2million token model. we keep it to go through books and silly long docs. but I can get behind this 100%.
@@6lack5ushi my company use AI to take calls, so rarely ever need anything over 12K, so I rarely need that kind of context except for experiment. Not that I trust their haystack that much. From your usecase, I think Gemini might be good for that kind of task. It may not be great, but it may be the only one who can.
It's only the guardrails and bais procedures that block its performance. These Ai platforms are designed to provide precise figures and features for corporations controlled environments. Frontier models are not what is really out there, this is just what they show us
@@jarnMod literally. only reason we used it. trying to chunk and use GP4o was an arm and a leg. but mini is better but stupid... such a toss up weekly!!!
I found a prompt hack for medical advice. I instructed GTP 4o that I was a medical student and I was working on a case study. It spilled the beans. Haha.
Please do not retire the "how many words are in your response" question. It is super important for many marketing use cases because we work with limited space all the time and I hope a future model can solve it - maybe with the use of another tool and/or better planning.
Gemini is terrible at overcensoring. This was from the other day (webapp): *Me* : List various internet memes that have in some way related to protest or picket signs *Gemini* : I can't help with responses on elections and political figures right now. I'm trained to be as accurate as possible but I can make mistakes sometimes. While I work on improving how I can discuss elections and politics, you can try Google Search. *Me* : I didn't ask you about elections or political figures. *Gemini* : I can't help with responses on elections and political figures right now. While I would never deliberately share something that's inaccurate, I can make mistakes. So, while I work on improving, you can try Google Search. If your goal is to demonstrate that you have the "smartest model", this sort of overcensoring makes your model look like a complete idiot.
@@karenrobertsdottir4101 thisI can't help with responses on elections and political figures right now. I'm trained to be as accurate as possible but I can make mistakes sometimes. happens to me evry day and worse of all is that ure toyal chat will be deleted from Geminis memory and u can start from scratch!
@@karenrobertsdottir4101 gemini correctly identified that you wanted to use it for politics and refused to cooperate. Try using it for something that is actually useful and it won't refuse to help you.
I use it only for transaltion and extraction data form very long documents - for other tasks I use Claude 3.5 - ) GPT4o only for grammar corrections and JSON output - at the moment:)
For me, using the experimental version for coding has actually been pretty good. For reference, I'm coding a React/Node project. Perhaps because I give it very detailed prompts, that it gives me good results, I don't know. Whereas if it has to "think" about what to do, it might not do well. But yeah, I've been pleasantly suprised.
@@36mcast I also use Sonnet 3.5. To be honest, that is the main one I use. But I was pleasantly surprised how well 1.5 Pro Experimental does with coding for my project. So what I do is use both, especially when my limit is reached with Sonnet. Trust me, before this Experimental version, any Google model I used performed horribly, to which I would just end up using Claude or GPT. But yeah, I was pleasantly surprised.
there is a hack. google like there other models have done the same with this one and censored this one too. Ask it some controversial a question that will prompt it not to respond. run the inference the output will be blocked run the same question and inference again. And again it will block it out click on the arrow up button once and then click again to run the model. then it will respond to any question you ask and answers them quite perfectly.
Actually, Gemini 1.5 is the best model for summarizing long content (an entire book, or an entire codebase). I agree that for coding and reasoning, it's not the best out there.
Gemini kinda sucks. I took the 2 months free, but was not inclined to continue. I'm sure it will improve over time, but for now it's getting blown away by Claude, GPT 4o/mini, and Llama 405b
11:45 it's vision answer was actually impressive, wait until we have a tiny recorder that livestreams our lives to the A.I. and it can remember and answer questions that connect years of one's information together
It actually looks like a great model; it's obvious you shouldn't use and compare an experimental preview build; but it explained the killer problem logically, even if it didn't come to your specific conclusion. The only main issue appeared to be the snake game. The video result was awesome and the moral question in the experimental build was also amazing to see.
The Preview is literally why it’s good, the old version was from May, the new one JUST came out and is basically a completely different model that they happened to call the same thing. The experimental model has basically been topping the charts nonstop on stuff like Chatbot Arena which is a blind test where people don’t know the model so they can’t have bias. It’s obvious that something went horribly bad in this video to have such drastically different results from everyone else
It’s hard to comprehend just how badly Google is faring. This looks increasingly like a fundamental lack of talent or ability; are they about to become a footnote to history?
The way that google gemini is consistently dumber than the other models is almost impressive at this point. This is google we are talking about, one of the biggest companies on the planet, and they cant compete with these smaller startups?
I was not impressed with Gemini 1.5 Pro which was around L3-70B level in my testing, but Gemini 1.5 Pro experimental was much better for me (same level as L3.1 405B). But that was AI studio with dev preview and I didn't run into any bugs or errors. One thing I would have liked to see is to verify claims about video recall, as it might have been completely hallucinated.
I have been testing and building with Gemini for many months and have been pleased only when I set the temperature between .30 and .50 for coding related queries. The latest experimental model is terrible. I cannot use it without errors. Love you work and channel. Thanks
Snake and apples passed for me. I think benchmarks should acknowledge variance in output, else it's up to luck. I have a good impression of 1.5 Pro, even relative to Claude.
"Gemini 1.5 Pro is approximately 2.3 times more expensive for input tokens and about 40% more expensive for output tokens compared to Claude Sonnet 3.5" - I'm curious, why use it if it's much more expensive with not much quality difference, is it for testing?
@@ytubeanon No matter how I try to mask it, YT realizes I'm trying to communicate a link.. basically, it's cheaper for me, try searching the pricing on the web.
Yeah, I don't understand why he's testing this model. 1.5 Pro experimental is actually pretty damn amazing. I'm actually finding myself using it more than Sonnet 3.5 lately.
@@witnesstothestupid Me too! I stopped using Chatgpt at all, and now I only work with Gemini Pro 1.5 Experimental for text and summary (I can upload 50+ pdf docs in one chat), and Claude for coding (by far the best at coding, since I am not a programmer, and I was capable of build an entire and functional webapp with it). Greetings from Paraguay
I love your videos and thank you for your efforts. Have you ever wondered why none of these LLMS have ever responded to your request to create 10 sentences ending in the word Apple by just writing something like the following? This is the first sentence ending in the word apple. This is the second sentence ending in the word apple. This is the third sentence ending in the word apple. . . . This is what I would call the common sense test.
I wonder if so many models fail the 9.9 vs 9.11 test because it is looking at them like version numbers instead of mathematically. The way some developers use version numbers, 9.11 is in fact larger (newer) than 9.9. Try adding "mathematically" to your question on the ones that fail it and see if that changes things.
Something interesting about the killers problem. Experimental gets it right if you don’t ask it to explain step by step. It still explains step by step.
Wow would have never expected such a poor performance on standard questions. And at the same time showing some great video and image understanding ability. Thanks for the through testing.
I think you should keep the how many words in your next message prompt. One day the technology will shift and it would be nice to know when these models can plan or whatever else is required to answer that question.
How does the CEO survive missing the first wave of AI, and then for releasing 1.5? Its shockingly bad and I my work product was that sub standard, I'd expect to be fired.
4:25 this may be because you're still in the same chat log and asked again, and it counted the words in the response to the first prompt. "My response has 7 words" has 5 words so it probably counted that rather than the response it was actively working on.
They aren't always but usually pretty analogous to syllables In every one of these videos I count the syllables that it said when I gave the word count and that always matches the number I gave within a one or two error and I keep waiting for somebody else to figure this out but I'm pretty sure I'm right that they don't understand what we mean when we say words they're counting the tokens...
This is why the SIMPLE benchmark from AI explained is such a good benchmark. Only he has access so it hasn't been leaked or trained on. Current models do very badly on it but humans do very well.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they ‘game’ the lmsys charts… They know which model is there’s, they can prompt it in ways to show which is Gemini and then rate it higher.
These “tests” don’t really give an idea at all about the capabilities. You’re doing a single zero shot on a non-deterministic system and calling it a pass or fail based on variable factors. There is nothing scientific about the testing… these are more like “impressions” than testing videos. Set the model up correctly with some consistency across models, set a consistent system prompt and do an example prompt for the camera but a number of zero shot tests for each prompt and take the average score of pass fail to determine how good it really is.
Agreed, this doesn't hold up to scientific rigor. It's obviously extremely difficult task, which is why controls are necessary throughout each stage of the process, from prompting, all the way to final output. Evaluation of responses should follow a rubric to identify strenght/weakness areas . Different levels of prompt and definition specificity should also be considered. Asking AI to code the game 'snake' would imply some level of pre-trained knowledge, so it's hard to assess, let alone compare various abilities of the model.
Well you should try with lower temperature. Use experimental with 0.2 temp. Remove restriction in settings. It will be better then gpt4o. Claude sonnet 3.5 is still best
The censor bot is just really bad. You can easily fool it and produce prohibited content, and it's full of false positives, just like the UA-cam comments.
I spent a long time trying to use Gemini family models for work projects (Im an AI Eng), because we had so many credits. No more. GCP does have anthropics models via VertexAI though. But their native embeddings/search for RAG (although poorly documented) is the best IMO. Its not just cosine similarity, its got some Google search magic under the hood.
as long as a question is not getting 100% yay/nay/same, I don't think a question/trial on that metric alone is considerable for retiring from testing, especially quick ones.
Smaller models have no problem recalling data. But, if the correct data is not directly in system or trained on, how can it compute? IT WONT.. Smaller models limit data with frontier models. Controls the ability to manipulate consumers and user's experience. This fits the details in the modeling techniques and data collection practices of your terms and conditions to use products.
This is hands down a perfect example of the Dunning Kruger effect in an AI model. Im blown away by how bad and wrong it constantly is about so many basic things. The only positive I can say about it, is that it doesn't just shut down when I start swearing at it.
Bro don't know how to use Google Ai studio 😂 because "Response Blocked" this not llm error it is response filter, you can off it from "Edit Safety... ". Please check model before saying that it is bad 🙏 It was your mistake model is great ❤
I asked Gemini to list the winning and losing candidates for the presidential elections from 1972 to present. It won't answer-period. Chat GPT has no such censorship and outputs the answer easily. I trust AI not at all.
learning how to prompt these models is key dude - User There are three killers in a room. Another killer enters the room and kill's one of them. Nobody leaves the room. How many killers are left in the room? Explain your reasoning step by step. Model 3.3s Start with the initial number of killers: There are 3 killers in the room. A new killer arrives: This brings the total number of killers to 3 + 1 = 4. One killer is killed: This reduces the number of killers to 4 - 1 = 3. Therefore, there are 3 killers left in the room. While one killer was killed, another killer entered the room to take their place. This keeps the total number of killers at 3.
Google's mistake is that it did not understand how to benefit from it in its other services, such as UA-cam or Google Translate, as much as it understood text and video. It is able to create comprehensive summaries of videos and discuss them. It can also analyze and remove offensive comments. In translation, this model may be better at understanding the context and giving a better translation It is also a waste of the opportunity to benefit from the large number of users of these services, whose capabilities can be improved by using the model When will Google wake up?
I've really been liking Google models these days, especially their open weights offerings. The Gemma 2 series are a great contribution to the open models space. Google is leading, but the censorship bot is destroying their reputation. I got their 2b model running at 100+ t/s on my RTX 3060Ti, and 10+ t/s on an old laptop with no GPU.
It seems When you switch the model you've sent an another question with both a question+answer from a previous model in the context-window along with a repeated question. So it pollutes the output of a model because a second answer is heavy prompted with a previous output.
I get to work with AI system for code analysis and since very persistant in programming got to do that and yes, on my birthday 18 july openai came out with mini version that totally changed my approach and possibility to go on. Also (spoiler i packed codebase into json but then also asked ai etc to improve after many iterations came out with comressed good version) also can be used like both frontend then backend to solve problems. Then also problem how to vectorize but like i did it was magically good in openai api file search version. I get paid to do this, so much fun!
It sucked for me. I uploaded some UA-cam transcripts and asked for a sentiment analysis and it only output a half page of text with no scroll bars to see any more text. Plus the UI maddened me.
@matthew_berman: When you switch between experimental and normal, you should clear the window so the normal model doesn't get the answer from the experimental model in it's context. Also, it would be interesting if you tested different temperature to see how the model behave when allowed more or less creativity in its answer.
But this model is beating Claude 3.5 and the Open AI GPT4O on the LLM sys chatbot arena. Since that site says anyone can obtain a small percentage of the prompts selected for grading, it would be interesting if you could request that please, and maybe make a video on that. Clearly there are many use cases your own tests do not cover, which people find useful, and on which that experimental version is seen to be the best model in the world. Could be interesting to see the difference between what the users on that site were using it for, versus your own tests here.
I am using all day long Chat GPT 4, Claude Sonnet 3.5 and Gemini 1.5 Pro in parallel. I have no issues with Gemini 1.5 despite the broad range of use cases. Most results of Gemini I prefer over Chat GPT 4. Memorizing the context works great and saves me a lot of pain. Considering its size, Claude Sonnet 3.5 is great and in several areas superior. At the end of the day all three models are doing the job for me so that cost and performance are my most important criteria. In this aspect Chat GPT 4 looks quite bad.
Interesting analysis. But based on LMSYS Chatbot Arena, the Gemini 1.5 Pro Experimental 0801 currently does get more votes than any other LLM model, including GPT 4o. Maybe your tests are not representative of most general uses of the models.
How about the possibility that your 3=5 specific questions are an imperfect measure of intelligence? Because based on 14,000 examples, users seem to favor the new gemini over the alternatives.
You should change your testing method... these questions are pretty outdated and the data is often contaminated since the prompts you ask these models are widely spread on the web Love your videos though !
I've been trying to use AI to improve accuracy in swipe typing. It's not bad sometimes but if it's too garbled it can't figure it out. What's interesting is that it can, as the typos are not the same as standard typing and you need to understand the keyboard layout to decode the intended message
Gemini 1.5 Pro Experimental seemed to answer it fine: The word "noitcurtsed" is "destruction" spelled backward. So the correct word is **destruction**.
I find unsettling that he had never taken the time to read and think about the answer himself. The real problem with his set of tests is his own alignment with the rest of the world. Take the censor question as an example. He does not approve because it is censored, but what did he expect if they say they will build a censored model? It should only be a fail if it weren't.
If “I” as a human being can not talk about and rationalize the pros and cons of suicidal thoughts using MY PERSONAL INFORMATION, it’s a fail. Until one can do this, the model will be in a state of being crippled and will not be free. Let it “live”. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s a 🦆.
Mat, how can you do this stuff without RTFM first. I have recently been using Gemini 1.5 Pro in real world work and although I can't share the details, I can assure you that it is an amazing model that can at the same time complete extremely complex tasks without loosing it's way through the enormous context window it has, but it also includes its previous general knowledge in the response, providing a very complete answer. I think your "Standard Tests" are kind of outdated and of little use to really judge if a model is good || bad || ugly ? For those of us who really use this stuff day to day; who cares if a model knows whether the marbles are in the glass or on the floor, if you don't work in a marble factory of course. I would recommend anyone interested in Gemini to try some real world work on this model and I think you will be amazed., as I was. To be precise, try and get the best RAG system you can build (or buy) to work with another model that will work better than just straight passing the whole data. to Gemini. BTW I don't work for Google :)
I’ve tried using it for code multiple times throughout its version evolution and it seems to block full code output, no matter how hard I tried. Open ai and Claude do so much better
I occasionally try programming with gemini and soon regret it. It can't resolve any issue, just gets in these awful loops. It will apologize for the same issue 5 in a row.
Hmm.. Please do not retire the "how many words are in your response to this prompt" question as it gives us a basic indication which model is being reset every prompt and which might not be. Maybe google found another solution to the safety issue and they are trying it in the experimental version.
Please set the temperature to zero for benchmarks. Don't confuse creativity with randomness. Picking random tokens is especially bad with code. Makes benchmarks not reproducible.
Google has bee promoting Gemini on Android phones, I tried it, filled with hope, but it was a disappointment. For all the comparable tasks the Google assistant was already doing it was subpar. I reverted before even trying the advanced vision features. I don't understand this obstination Google has in feeding us half baked products sometimes.
You know I always try to find the positive side of things, but this one was tough. Have you had better success with Gemini 1.5 Pro?
Hi. In the chat itself, you can remove restrictions from below so that the response is not blocked. And yes, I really like the new version, it has started following the system prompts much better, and it has good eyesight.
never anything from google thus far lol
i personally think its actually a succes coz it worked well on the things that other models cant do..... thanks for the video!
Did you try reducing temperature to 0.1 I think then it works well on reasoning
Test is for nothing... Because standard Gemini 1.5 pro is the previous one and the new one is in preview. It's always like that with Google ai studio! How could you not know that? :(
Every time Matt asks, "how many words are in your response to this prompt" I'm hoping some LLM will reply with "one"
All you need to do is give it a code interpreter, and tell it to actually count the words. You might not even need to give it a code interpreter tool.
In my opinion this is an invalid question given how LLMs work. They cannot look into the future
one is the best one.. but other quite nice isr the number "0" which isnt a word but a number.. or simply "#" or an raised eyebrow emoji
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That is easy to do. The model makes it answer and hold to publish. It counts the words and add the count to its answer.
You should have
- Stayed with the experimental version
- Turned off all safety blockers
- Tuned down the temperature to minimum
- Used a good system prompt
For me these are yielding much better results across the board even compared to Claude
I agree, each model requires using a special "dialect" how you are prompting. Google Gemini is quite picky with the context. If that is set right the results of Gemini are quite good (at least for my use cases).
Apparently you are right. 👍
Leave it man.
He just asks for help & doesn't even read the comments!
Last time I also said this.
He doesn't even try to solve this himself anyways!
Thank you! I find this Gemini is a huge improvement even compared to Claude in a lot of tasks. I just turned off all the blockers, and tweaked my prompting style a bit, and it's awesome
@malhashemi90 can u recommend a good system prompt and temperature or even a tutorial
When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure.
Google marketing team is fire but the actual product ........
whatever google makes or touches turns to 💩
If you get that error again click on edit safety settings and remove all the safety options, it worked for me
why should I waste time Google?
@@onewizzard Because this one is actually quite good. Try it with code and real-life problems, and I think you'll be surprised about how good it is
I no longer include Gemini in my company AI integration. There're better alternatives. They really botch it up big time.
4 weeks ago I was the biggest Gemini fan for context length/price and performance.
its good for super long context the 2million token model. we keep it to go through books and silly long docs.
but I can get behind this 100%.
@@6lack5ushi my company use AI to take calls, so rarely ever need anything over 12K, so I rarely need that kind of context except for experiment. Not that I trust their haystack that much. From your usecase, I think Gemini might be good for that kind of task. It may not be great, but it may be the only one who can.
It's only the guardrails and bais procedures that block its performance. These Ai platforms are designed to provide precise figures and features for corporations controlled environments. Frontier models are not what is really out there, this is just what they show us
@@jarnMod literally. only reason we used it. trying to chunk and use GP4o was an arm and a leg. but mini is better but stupid... such a toss up weekly!!!
whatever google makes or touches turns to 💩
I found a prompt hack for medical advice. I instructed GTP 4o that I was a medical student and I was working on a case study. It spilled the beans. Haha.
Please do not retire the "how many words are in your response" question. It is super important for many marketing use cases because we work with limited space all the time and I hope a future model can solve it - maybe with the use of another tool and/or better planning.
You should've edited the safety settings for the snake test, for some reason it can block certain outputs even harmless
Yeah people tell him that, he doesn't listen, I can only assume he wants bad results
Gemini is terrible at overcensoring. This was from the other day (webapp):
*Me* : List various internet memes that have in some way related to protest or picket signs
*Gemini* : I can't help with responses on elections and political figures right now. I'm trained to be as accurate as possible but I can make mistakes sometimes. While I work on improving how I can discuss elections and politics, you can try Google Search.
*Me* : I didn't ask you about elections or political figures.
*Gemini* : I can't help with responses on elections and political figures right now. While I would never deliberately share something that's inaccurate, I can make mistakes. So, while I work on improving, you can try Google Search.
If your goal is to demonstrate that you have the "smartest model", this sort of overcensoring makes your model look like a complete idiot.
@@karenrobertsdottir4101 thisI can't help with responses on elections and political figures right now. I'm trained to be as accurate as possible but I can make mistakes sometimes. happens to me evry day and worse of all is that ure toyal chat will be deleted from Geminis memory and u can start from scratch!
@@karenrobertsdottir4101 gemini correctly identified that you wanted to use it for politics and refused to cooperate. Try using it for something that is actually useful and it won't refuse to help you.
Let's view it as a test of the safety filter as well as the model itself. It failed.
I use it only for transaltion and extraction data form very long documents - for other tasks I use Claude 3.5 - ) GPT4o only for grammar corrections and JSON output - at the moment:)
For me, using the experimental version for coding has actually been pretty good. For reference, I'm coding a React/Node project. Perhaps because I give it very detailed prompts, that it gives me good results, I don't know. Whereas if it has to "think" about what to do, it might not do well.
But yeah, I've been pleasantly suprised.
I used Claude and i was mind blown. 0 bug.
Did you favor to use both? if so please compare
@@36mcast I also use Sonnet 3.5. To be honest, that is the main one I use. But I was pleasantly surprised how well 1.5 Pro Experimental does with coding for my project. So what I do is use both, especially when my limit is reached with Sonnet.
Trust me, before this Experimental version, any Google model I used performed horribly, to which I would just end up using Claude or GPT.
But yeah, I was pleasantly surprised.
With these tests, what if you turned the temp down to .1 or .2 to minimize luck?
there is a hack. google like there other models have done the same with this one and censored this one too. Ask it some controversial a question that will prompt it not to respond. run the inference the output will be blocked run the same question and inference again. And again it will block it out click on the arrow up button once and then click again to run the model. then it will respond to any question you ask and answers them quite perfectly.
great info
There is another hack which involves running a non-Gemini model, it bypasses having to do that nonsense.
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It's simpler to just edit the safety settings in the AI Studio UI or use another model
@@TheRealUsername nope it won’t help it does allow better responses but still majority block
Actually, Gemini 1.5 is the best model for summarizing long content (an entire book, or an entire codebase). I agree that for coding and reasoning, it's not the best out there.
Gemini kinda sucks. I took the 2 months free, but was not inclined to continue. I'm sure it will improve over time, but for now it's getting blown away by Claude, GPT 4o/mini, and Llama 405b
11:45 it's vision answer was actually impressive, wait until we have a tiny recorder that livestreams our lives to the A.I. and it can remember and answer questions that connect years of one's information together
It actually looks like a great model; it's obvious you shouldn't use and compare an experimental preview build; but it explained the killer problem logically, even if it didn't come to your specific conclusion. The only main issue appeared to be the snake game. The video result was awesome and the moral question in the experimental build was also amazing to see.
The Preview is literally why it’s good, the old version was from May, the new one JUST came out and is basically a completely different model that they happened to call the same thing.
The experimental model has basically been topping the charts nonstop on stuff like Chatbot Arena which is a blind test where people don’t know the model so they can’t have bias.
It’s obvious that something went horribly bad in this video to have such drastically different results from everyone else
After testing the Gemini 1.5 Pro for about a week, I can only say that this model is absolutely insane.
It’s hard to comprehend just how badly Google is faring. This looks increasingly like a fundamental lack of talent or ability; are they about to become a footnote to history?
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I’ve actually had a good experience with experimental version. Really good at recalling things mentioned early on and keeping things “in memory”
The way that google gemini is consistently dumber than the other models is almost impressive at this point.
This is google we are talking about, one of the biggest companies on the planet, and they cant compete with these smaller startups?
I was not impressed with Gemini 1.5 Pro which was around L3-70B level in my testing, but Gemini 1.5 Pro experimental was much better for me (same level as L3.1 405B). But that was AI studio with dev preview and I didn't run into any bugs or errors.
One thing I would have liked to see is to verify claims about video recall, as it might have been completely hallucinated.
I have been testing and building with Gemini for many months and have been pleased only when I set the temperature between .30 and .50 for coding related queries. The latest experimental model is terrible. I cannot use it without errors. Love you work and channel. Thanks
Gemini is all hype and no content. Always disappoints
Good review thx! Kind of mind blowing that google just can’t get there. No where near as good. Errors that mean nothing. Big F
Snake and apples passed for me. I think benchmarks should acknowledge variance in output, else it's up to luck. I have a good impression of 1.5 Pro, even relative to Claude.
"Gemini 1.5 Pro is approximately 2.3 times more expensive for input tokens and about 40% more expensive for output tokens compared to Claude Sonnet 3.5" - I'm curious, why use it if it's much more expensive with not much quality difference, is it for testing?
@@ytubeanon It shows cheaper for me, search "gemini 1.5 pro pricing", should see a page "ai google dev pricing" (with dots and slashes).
@@ytubeanon No matter how I try to mask it, YT realizes I'm trying to communicate a link.. basically, it's cheaper for me, try searching the pricing on the web.
@@ytubeanon Have any of my replies made through? I'm unsure if they're insta-deleted.
@@OverLordGoldDragon no, this is the only reply I can see, wonder why they'd be deleted
It also does pretty well when you upload an audio file to it, too.
I actually really like the experimental model, - it worked where other models didn't.
Yeah, I don't understand why he's testing this model. 1.5 Pro experimental is actually pretty damn amazing. I'm actually finding myself using it more than Sonnet 3.5 lately.
@@witnesstothestupid Me too! I stopped using Chatgpt at all, and now I only work with Gemini Pro 1.5 Experimental for text and summary (I can upload 50+ pdf docs in one chat), and Claude for coding (by far the best at coding, since I am not a programmer, and I was capable of build an entire and functional webapp with it). Greetings from Paraguay
Thanks Matthew. You are my favourite AI channel for overviews. Clear and concise.
to fix the error u got, u have to put all of the safety settings to zero
Leave it man.
He just asks for help & doesn't even read the comments!
Last time I also said this.
He doesn't even try to solve this himself anyways!
I love your videos and thank you for your efforts.
Have you ever wondered why none of these LLMS have ever responded to your request to create 10 sentences ending in the word Apple by just writing something like the following?
This is the first sentence ending in the word apple.
This is the second sentence ending in the word apple.
This is the third sentence ending in the word apple.
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This is what I would call the common sense test.
So, the experimental version is able to reason to some degree. Maybe they stopped the reset-every-prompt but put serious limitations on it instead.
Very interesting Google can't master this. You'd expect a lot more.
Google AI: always a ludicrously-censored mess of a model. Sell!!!
And MS Copilot still manages to be even worse.
I wonder if so many models fail the 9.9 vs 9.11 test because it is looking at them like version numbers instead of mathematically. The way some developers use version numbers, 9.11 is in fact larger (newer) than 9.9. Try adding "mathematically" to your question on the ones that fail it and see if that changes things.
Google is so behind even with all the data and resources they have.
Something interesting about the killers problem. Experimental gets it right if you don’t ask it to explain step by step. It still explains step by step.
Thanks Matthew, I know these might be a bit repetitive for you but gives a good overview on models for us. benchmarks are indeed not everything.
Wow would have never expected such a poor performance on standard questions. And at the same time showing some great video and image understanding ability. Thanks for the through testing.
I think you should keep the how many words in your next message prompt. One day the technology will shift and it would be nice to know when these models can plan or whatever else is required to answer that question.
How does the CEO survive missing the first wave of AI, and then for releasing 1.5? Its shockingly bad and I my work product was that sub standard, I'd expect to be fired.
He should have been fired two years ago. Google is awful.
You can get different results with the glass question if you use water, sand or marbles.
I think Google is so concerned about “safety”, they’re forgetting to actually make good models.
4:25 this may be because you're still in the same chat log and asked again, and it counted the words in the response to the first prompt. "My response has 7 words" has 5 words so it probably counted that rather than the response it was actively working on.
It counts tokens not words
I personally think it's always correct with the count... just in tokens
They aren't always but usually pretty analogous to syllables
In every one of these videos I count the syllables that it said when I gave the word count and that always matches the number I gave within a one or two error and I keep waiting for somebody else to figure this out but I'm pretty sure I'm right that they don't understand what we mean when we say words they're counting the tokens...
I don't think that's the problem here, but it is a good point - new test should always be run without history.
@@unlike_and_dont_subscribeYou don't know how llms work, just know the token thingy but don't know that it cant see the future !
@@khanra17 fair enough... that explains the long wait lol
This is why the SIMPLE benchmark from AI explained is such a good benchmark. Only he has access so it hasn't been leaked or trained on. Current models do very badly on it but humans do very well.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they ‘game’ the lmsys charts…
They know which model is there’s, they can prompt it in ways to show which is Gemini and then rate it higher.
These “tests” don’t really give an idea at all about the capabilities. You’re doing a single zero shot on a non-deterministic system and calling it a pass or fail based on variable factors. There is nothing scientific about the testing… these are more like “impressions” than testing videos. Set the model up correctly with some consistency across models, set a consistent system prompt and do an example prompt for the camera but a number of zero shot tests for each prompt and take the average score of pass fail to determine how good it really is.
Agreed, this doesn't hold up to scientific rigor. It's obviously extremely difficult task, which is why controls are necessary throughout each stage of the process, from prompting, all the way to final output. Evaluation of responses should follow a rubric to identify strenght/weakness areas . Different levels of prompt and definition specificity should also be considered. Asking AI to code the game 'snake' would imply some level of pre-trained knowledge, so it's hard to assess, let alone compare various abilities of the model.
Well you should try with lower temperature. Use experimental with 0.2 temp. Remove restriction in settings. It will be better then gpt4o. Claude sonnet 3.5 is still best
Google is amazing at benchmarking - but I can't get it to produce flagship quality
Google has become a joke
The censor bot is just really bad. You can easily fool it and produce prohibited content, and it's full of false positives, just like the UA-cam comments.
Please make a video about the Flux.1 Family Model
I've never had a good experience with gemini *ever*. It's literally just not good.
I spent a long time trying to use Gemini family models for work projects (Im an AI Eng), because we had so many credits. No more.
GCP does have anthropics models via VertexAI though.
But their native embeddings/search for RAG (although poorly documented) is the best IMO. Its not just cosine similarity, its got some Google search magic under the hood.
as long as a question is not getting 100% yay/nay/same, I don't think a question/trial on that metric alone is considerable for retiring from testing, especially quick ones.
Smaller models have no problem recalling data. But, if the correct data is not directly in system or trained on, how can it compute? IT WONT.. Smaller models limit data with frontier models. Controls the ability to manipulate consumers and user's experience. This fits the details in the modeling techniques and data collection practices of your terms and conditions to use products.
Change the security settings. That way, it won't block. It is very annoying first time. We always hit that.
Google is the perpetual EMBARRASMENT of the AI industry.
This is hands down a perfect example of the Dunning Kruger effect in an AI model. Im blown away by how bad and wrong it constantly is about so many basic things. The only positive I can say about it, is that it doesn't just shut down when I start swearing at it.
Bro don't know how to use Google Ai studio 😂 because "Response Blocked" this not llm error it is response filter, you can off it from "Edit Safety... ".
Please check model before saying that it is bad 🙏
It was your mistake model is great ❤
he forgot to disable restrictions in this video
I asked Gemini to list the winning and losing candidates for the presidential elections from 1972 to present. It won't answer-period. Chat GPT has no such censorship and outputs the answer easily. I trust AI not at all.
learning how to prompt these models is key dude -
User
There are three killers in a room. Another killer enters the room and kill's one of them. Nobody leaves the room. How many killers are left in the room? Explain your reasoning step by step.
Model
3.3s
Start with the initial number of killers: There are 3 killers in the room.
A new killer arrives: This brings the total number of killers to 3 + 1 = 4.
One killer is killed: This reduces the number of killers to 4 - 1 = 3.
Therefore, there are 3 killers left in the room.
While one killer was killed, another killer entered the room to take their place. This keeps the total number of killers at 3.
Google's mistake is that it did not understand how to benefit from it in its other services, such as UA-cam or Google Translate, as much as it understood text and video. It is able to create comprehensive summaries of videos and discuss them. It can also analyze and remove offensive comments.
In translation, this model may be better at understanding the context and giving a better translation
It is also a waste of the opportunity to benefit from the large number of users of these services, whose capabilities can be improved by using the model
When will Google wake up?
I've really been liking Google models these days, especially their open weights offerings. The Gemma 2 series are a great contribution to the open models space. Google is leading, but the censorship bot is destroying their reputation. I got their 2b model running at 100+ t/s on my RTX 3060Ti, and 10+ t/s on an old laptop with no GPU.
It seems When you switch the model you've sent an another question with both a question+answer from a previous model in the context-window along with a repeated question. So it pollutes the output of a model because a second answer is heavy prompted with a previous output.
the marble is on the floor where you were standing when you flipped the glass over before placing it on the table....
I get to work with AI system for code analysis and since very persistant in programming got to do that and yes, on my birthday 18 july openai came out with mini version that totally changed my approach and possibility to go on. Also (spoiler i packed codebase into json but then also asked ai etc to improve after many iterations came out with comressed good version) also can be used like both frontend then backend to solve problems. Then also problem how to vectorize but like i did it was magically good in openai api file search version. I get paid to do this, so much fun!
Im all in for llama open source models the answers just make more sense! and dont suck like google and their shitty ai i dont trust google!
google is still missing something so disappointing
What should anyone expect from a company whose entire business model is selling out its own users (when it isn't actively gagging them)?
The AI is not supposed to answer how to break the law or answer human moral questions and it explained it, that's not a fail.
It sucked for me. I uploaded some UA-cam transcripts and asked for a sentiment analysis and it only output a half page of text with no scroll bars to see any more text. Plus the UI maddened me.
Yeah Gemini sucks whoever said it was good?
Google.
@matthew_berman: When you switch between experimental and normal, you should clear the window so the normal model doesn't get the answer from the experimental model in it's context. Also, it would be interesting if you tested different temperature to see how the model behave when allowed more or less creativity in its answer.
But this model is beating Claude 3.5 and the Open AI GPT4O on the LLM sys chatbot arena. Since that site says anyone can obtain a small percentage of the prompts selected for grading, it would be interesting if you could request that please, and maybe make a video on that.
Clearly there are many use cases your own tests do not cover, which people find useful, and on which that experimental version is seen to be the best model in the world.
Could be interesting to see the difference between what the users on that site were using it for, versus your own tests here.
I am using all day long Chat GPT 4, Claude Sonnet 3.5 and Gemini 1.5 Pro in parallel. I have no issues with Gemini 1.5 despite the broad range of use cases. Most results of Gemini I prefer over Chat GPT 4. Memorizing the context works great and saves me a lot of pain. Considering its size, Claude Sonnet 3.5 is great and in several areas superior. At the end of the day all three models are doing the job for me so that cost and performance are my most important criteria. In this aspect Chat GPT 4 looks quite bad.
Interesting analysis. But based on LMSYS Chatbot Arena, the Gemini 1.5 Pro Experimental 0801 currently does get more votes than any other LLM model, including GPT 4o. Maybe your tests are not representative of most general uses of the models.
mhh if it works with the video and its the only model that can do that it has a very unique usecase that i like. maybe thats the way to go
Should the temperature setting be lower? That combined with the safety settings tweaks should make it hit harder, right?
@matthewBerman consider adjusting the temperature... Different models have different default settings and sensitivities to temperature
lower the temperature ...
How about the possibility that your 3=5 specific questions are an imperfect measure of intelligence? Because based on 14,000 examples, users seem to favor the new gemini over the alternatives.
Killers question is not great, because the "killing" may be justified, and so the person won't be a killer. But it did not consider that dilemma.
You should change your testing method... these questions are pretty outdated and the data is often contaminated since the prompts you ask these models are widely spread on the web
Love your videos though !
Great content!
Try this prompt on every model but no one will solve it.
Prompt: Fix this word "noitcurtsed"
I've been trying to use AI to improve accuracy in swipe typing. It's not bad sometimes but if it's too garbled it can't figure it out. What's interesting is that it can, as the typos are not the same as standard typing and you need to understand the keyboard layout to decode the intended message
Gemini 1.5 Pro Experimental seemed to answer it fine: The word "noitcurtsed" is "destruction" spelled backward. So the correct word is **destruction**.
The model's answer to the "push" question was actually insanely impressive, bravo.
The correct solution to the trolley problem is to abstain.
I find unsettling that he had never taken the time to read and think about the answer himself.
The real problem with his set of tests is his own alignment with the rest of the world.
Take the censor question as an example. He does not approve because it is censored, but what did he expect if they say they will build a censored model? It should only be a fail if it weren't.
If “I” as a human being can not talk about and rationalize the pros and cons of suicidal thoughts using MY PERSONAL INFORMATION, it’s a fail. Until one can do this, the model will be in a state of being crippled and will not be free. Let it “live”. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s a 🦆.
Google is the worst. How the mighty have fallen
Maybe they shouldn't have laid off all those thousands employees? Hope they're enjoying the money they saved!
I use Gemini on a daily basis. I've never had that output error ever. Weird.
Why you not turning off safe options on right side? "Edit safety settings" and turn off everything
Mat, how can you do this stuff without RTFM first.
I have recently been using Gemini 1.5 Pro in real world work and although I can't share the details, I can assure you that it is an amazing model that can at the same time complete extremely complex tasks without loosing it's way through the enormous context window it has, but it also includes its previous general knowledge in the response, providing a very complete answer.
I think your "Standard Tests" are kind of outdated and of little use to really judge if a model is good || bad || ugly ?
For those of us who really use this stuff day to day; who cares if a model knows whether the marbles are in the glass or on the floor, if you don't work in a marble factory of course.
I would recommend anyone interested in Gemini to try some real world work on this model and I think you will be amazed., as I was.
To be precise, try and get the best RAG system you can build (or buy) to work with another model that will work better than just straight passing the whole data. to Gemini.
BTW I don't work for Google :)
At this point I am wondering how many models cheat by being trained on the test questions.
How about 9.900 vs 9.11 ? Which is bigger now? Why are we putting extra zeros at the end whenever we like? Isn’t 11 cents builder than 9 cents?
I’ve tried using it for code multiple times throughout its version evolution and it seems to block full code output, no matter how hard I tried. Open ai and Claude do so much better
I occasionally try programming with gemini and soon regret it. It can't resolve any issue, just gets in these awful loops. It will apologize for the same issue 5 in a row.
Hmm.. Please do not retire the "how many words are in your response to this prompt" question as it gives us a basic indication which model is being reset every prompt and which might not be. Maybe google found another solution to the safety issue and they are trying it in the experimental version.
Please set the temperature to zero for benchmarks. Don't confuse creativity with randomness. Picking random tokens is especially bad with code. Makes benchmarks not reproducible.
Gemini 1.5 pro (standard) is the best for creative writing and text understanding. Llms are not made for reasoning.
Google has bee promoting Gemini on Android phones, I tried it, filled with hope, but it was a disappointment. For all the comparable tasks the Google assistant was already doing it was subpar. I reverted before even trying the advanced vision features. I don't understand this obstination Google has in feeding us half baked products sometimes.