One thing I feel like with Sparrow and Phase is that together they’re probably one of the strongest Support/Carry duo just because of how well Phase covers up Sparrows weakness of having no mobility and nothing to really prevent people from diving her aside the slow on her ‘Q’ and frankly it’s just really annoying to play against lol
@@HiTxMaN93yeah as he basically said she’s a type where you need you play to your team and maintain positioning. Riktor is tanky which basically means all sparrow has to worry about is ganks. Thats it with phase she has to worry about phases positioning for the pulls, she’s got to worry about her positioning, and all phase is doing for her outside of that is a small damage buff. Riktor steel are best for sure with sparrow
Can we get a shinbi gameplay from you soon Pinz? I'm fairly new to the game, have it on console, and I just picked up and started learning Shinbi. Would be cool to get an updated Shinbi vid from you after the last couple patches!
Shinbi is a better offlane than anything still it seems. I've played her since the open but not much since cause I've been away. Thay being said she still plays the same. Poke and don't be too aggressive early. Then once you get an item online, poke more and focus on fighting (depends on matchup) then second item, confirm more kills and roam to cause mayhem. Late game does get awkward with her and I don't recommend her if you have no true tank on your team as it makes teamfights hard to engage if the other team has a true tank. But she is still a great character. His list seems spot on for the recent updates
I disagree with the narrative that Grim is a late game character. His kit is designed to bully, and him being forced to use caustics makes him much weaker. I have seen him dominate early but not late if he isn’t ahead. Just gets blown up
I think most people just don't know how to fight against Morigesh. If you know the match up and don't let her get in for free, she's not so great. She just dies and can't even farm against the likes of Iggy/Scorch, but then again, most midlaners can't combat Iggy (except Wraith).
I would disagree with your placement for khaimer I think he’s A or A+ because of how good he is a capturing objectives early. I am new to the game and MOBAs as a genre but my experience especially in ranked tells me he should be higher. He’s so easy to learn and use and he full clears really fast giving me time to gank or capture objectives if I want them his passive makes him difficult to kill and he wins a lot of 1v1s especially against carries. Just sayin he really good and is my go to option when in my opinion the best jungle character and I should know cus I play jungle pretty much exclusively
Just started this game 2 weeks ago after playing paragon back in the day. I thought it was really good until I reached rank... the algorithm is so off. Golds vs bronze is normal? Of the 15 or so games I've played not one was a close matchup. Also... the S tier units are clearly broken. How long has it been like that? How do you not balance it at least a little closer?
I'm gonna have to disagree with crunch being in B tier, I think the buffs to Aug and mutilator make him a good pick. In fact, since Terra was introduced, I've never lost offlane to a Terra as crunch. Level 6 crunch is just super strong if you can bait out your opponents ult, whether it's Terra, aurora, grux, you name it
Question on Kira. I love playing her, but sometimes I find myself permanently under my tower with zero lane prio because I can't clear fast enough. Her lane clear imo is her biggest weakness. Any thoughts on maybe how to get around that?
Use it to poke as best you can, last hits and lane freezes will save your scaling if they’re acting tough and bullying. Prey mid or jungle is watching. Holding your tower close is a flex, not to be ashamed of.
@@richardfitswell898 yea. In a perfect world my jungle would come when I ping cuz if they're pushed up all the time the gank is free, it just doesn't work out that way most of the time. I play solo as well so I often don't have a support thats helpful either lol
What is it that made Narbash fall off so hard? I think the change to Everbloom was pretty significant for him, but can’t think of anything else bringing him down in the meta
Man, you’re sleeping on phase brother, kind of one trick pony Ish because it feels super repetitive to player when you guys are only in lane. But mid to late game when everybody is pulling and it’s a good old 5V5. A good phase is unmatched in those fights because I can let a little bit of line out and whoever wants to pounce has the opportunity knowing that I’m watching their health and I’ll yank them, as soon as I feel that their health is low enough. I’ll get them some heels and somebody has already taken their place on the front line. And that’s who I linked to next.
A good phase and a good Muriel prevent me from getting the most kills as a carry. They for real will keep their carries alive through shit that would normally kill tanks. If there's a phase linked to a Sparrow it's a RIP if Sparrow gets ahead in CS, which with Phase's poke, is pretty easy to do. A duo in comms with eachother and Phase is hard to beat
And like you mentioned with team fights...if there isn't an assassin on the enemy team that's targeting the carry, then as a ADC I'm telling phase to link to whoever is engaging the fight (tank or a bruiser) so that we can get them out without being CC'd to death. Being able to get your high health players out of a fight means that they can get right back in there quicker. The sustain in teamfights with Phase is unreal IF the player can stay calm and not panic.
Unfortunately the game has no way of promoting or teaching team play, it is impossible to solo queue and expect to ever win, no one even pays attention to comms or call outs. Going back to Apex because at least I don’t have to be stuck with dumbass toxic teammates for 45 minutes at a time
@PinzoDunzo well it's true and that game mode doesn't exist but you as the khai player have to look for those 1v1 situations in the game and just anyone with common sense knows if you have khai on your team and you feed your khai (by luring enemies) dude ur teams winning the game. Khai and grux are the hardest hitters in the game, first khai, second grux. But there's no character strong enough to change the entire game if your team is weak lets be clear about that.
The game is in a perfect spot when all characters are either A or B tier of course brand new releases will be A+ or S but they do need to buff ramp and belica significantly we DO NOT want wraith to be OP hes good in the right hands sparrow main until the day i die i wish they would give her a movement buff when using her stim or rain of arrows so shes not just do damage or die Gideon was not nerfed enough easiest hero in the game with the most consistent damage output and to dam safe should've hit his damage a lot more or nerfed his portal by 5 seconds
my boy revenant is finally free from the bottom tier, we made it gang
FACTS
We finally did it boys
rev mains rise up
We all have a soft spot for Rev
One thing I feel like with Sparrow and Phase is that together they’re probably one of the strongest Support/Carry duo just because of how well Phase covers up Sparrows weakness of having no mobility and nothing to really prevent people from diving her aside the slow on her ‘Q’ and frankly it’s just really annoying to play against lol
No question they are THE best duo when paired together. Its not even close.
Not true you take a team that has heavy CC they cannot fight against it
I play riktor and my boy plays sparrow and we constantly dookie on sparrow/phase combos
@@HiTxMaN93yeah as he basically said she’s a type where you need you play to your team and maintain positioning. Riktor is tanky which basically means all sparrow has to worry about is ganks. Thats it with phase she has to worry about phases positioning for the pulls, she’s got to worry about her positioning, and all phase is doing for her outside of that is a small damage buff. Riktor steel are best for sure with sparrow
Been out of the game for a while between work and Elden Rang, this tier list has me jonesing to get back in.
What system you play on me and my buddy could use a third
I like how every comment is somone complaining a certain character is busted, when its clear we all just dont know how to play against them lmao
Can we get a shinbi gameplay from you soon Pinz? I'm fairly new to the game, have it on console, and I just picked up and started learning Shinbi. Would be cool to get an updated Shinbi vid from you after the last couple patches!
Hello Doctor.
Shinbi is a better offlane than anything still it seems. I've played her since the open but not much since cause I've been away. Thay being said she still plays the same. Poke and don't be too aggressive early. Then once you get an item online, poke more and focus on fighting (depends on matchup) then second item, confirm more kills and roam to cause mayhem. Late game does get awkward with her and I don't recommend her if you have no true tank on your team as it makes teamfights hard to engage if the other team has a true tank. But she is still a great character. His list seems spot on for the recent updates
Gadget has skyrocketed to the second highest winrate since patch 19.1
I disagree with the narrative that Grim is a late game character. His kit is designed to bully, and him being forced to use caustics makes him much weaker. I have seen him dominate early but not late if he isn’t ahead. Just gets blown up
I run laps with morgesh. She's a monster if played well.
I think most people just don't know how to fight against Morigesh. If you know the match up and don't let her get in for free, she's not so great. She just dies and can't even farm against the likes of Iggy/Scorch, but then again, most midlaners can't combat Iggy (except Wraith).
Definitely sad to play rampage. Maybe its partially the nostalgia, but he definitely doesnt seem as good as i remember
I would disagree with your placement for khaimer I think he’s A or A+ because of how good he is a capturing objectives early. I am new to the game and MOBAs as a genre but my experience especially in ranked tells me he should be higher. He’s so easy to learn and use and he full clears really fast giving me time to gank or capture objectives if I want them his passive makes him difficult to kill and he wins a lot of 1v1s especially against carries. Just sayin he really good and is my go to option when in my opinion the best jungle character and I should know cus I play jungle pretty much exclusively
Just started this game 2 weeks ago after playing paragon back in the day. I thought it was really good until I reached rank... the algorithm is so off. Golds vs bronze is normal? Of the 15 or so games I've played not one was a close matchup. Also... the S tier units are clearly broken. How long has it been like that? How do you not balance it at least a little closer?
I'm gonna have to disagree with crunch being in B tier, I think the buffs to Aug and mutilator make him a good pick. In fact, since Terra was introduced, I've never lost offlane to a Terra as crunch. Level 6 crunch is just super strong if you can bait out your opponents ult, whether it's Terra, aurora, grux, you name it
I’m just glad riktor finally got some love cause it was rough for a min
I was like huh?? Alphabetical order but doesn't start with Argus lol
or aurora
Man belica was my main. They did my girl dirty
Isnt morigesh busted?
Question on Kira. I love playing her, but sometimes I find myself permanently under my tower with zero lane prio because I can't clear fast enough. Her lane clear imo is her biggest weakness. Any thoughts on maybe how to get around that?
Use it to poke as best you can, last hits and lane freezes will save your scaling if they’re acting tough and bullying. Prey mid or jungle is watching. Holding your tower close is a flex, not to be ashamed of.
@@richardfitswell898 yea. In a perfect world my jungle would come when I ping cuz if they're pushed up all the time the gank is free, it just doesn't work out that way most of the time. I play solo as well so I often don't have a support thats helpful either lol
@@kevingutierrez9388 a damn shame! If only pings were more accurate :(
What is it that made Narbash fall off so hard? I think the change to Everbloom was pretty significant for him, but can’t think of anything else bringing him down in the meta
There’s a lot of ways to deal with his heals and a lot of his abilities can be interrupted
I would buff wraithes HP and armor ever so slightly, bc i just feel like I get chunked harder than anyone else. Especially when he has no dash
gadget is so OP im glad we're starting to talk about it 😭
Aurora is a good counter to Terra imo
Idk I’ve only lost 2 games using greystone while out clearing lane n winning numerous 2v1s when jungle gank
No Pcc?
just downloded this game its amazing
Ngl rampage is still great
Dont tell them that dekker is op so no one ban her , i need to be able to use my main aha
Strongly disagree with morigesh, she is broken beyond belief
Is steel just a bad matchup for grux cuz every fight was not even close he just abused me
Wait, Belica is bad? That's my fav support
Why do inactive Iggy turrets draw minion aggro? Why can they damage towers?
Idk i think steel and riktor get busted down to fast to be effective
Great tier list! Could we get one with items too? Obviously not all of them since there's so many, but just a tier list of the popular items
can we get some shinbi offlane gameplay?
Man, you’re sleeping on phase brother, kind of one trick pony Ish because it feels super repetitive to player when you guys are only in lane. But mid to late game when everybody is pulling and it’s a good old 5V5. A good phase is unmatched in those fights because I can let a little bit of line out and whoever wants to pounce has the opportunity knowing that I’m watching their health and I’ll yank them, as soon as I feel that their health is low enough. I’ll get them some heels and somebody has already taken their place on the front line. And that’s who I linked to next.
A good phase and a good Muriel prevent me from getting the most kills as a carry. They for real will keep their carries alive through shit that would normally kill tanks. If there's a phase linked to a Sparrow it's a RIP if Sparrow gets ahead in CS, which with Phase's poke, is pretty easy to do. A duo in comms with eachother and Phase is hard to beat
And like you mentioned with team fights...if there isn't an assassin on the enemy team that's targeting the carry, then as a ADC I'm telling phase to link to whoever is engaging the fight (tank or a bruiser) so that we can get them out without being CC'd to death. Being able to get your high health players out of a fight means that they can get right back in there quicker. The sustain in teamfights with Phase is unreal IF the player can stay calm and not panic.
@@jdub8925 I think I’ve run into you a bunch bro! What’s ur gamer tag?
Musta changed it cause some of these s tiers are lacking
Again if you come up against a heavy CC team phase doesn’t feel good
Unfortunately the game has no way of promoting or teaching team play, it is impossible to solo queue and expect to ever win, no one even pays attention to comms or call outs. Going back to Apex because at least I don’t have to be stuck with dumbass toxic teammates for 45 minutes at a time
Psst…. the problem is you
Morigesh gets slept on so much. She's takes no skill a does so much damage and definitely better than countess.
Also id have Grim Drongo Sparrow as top 3 carries
I agree it feels like I get cooked by her half the time I try to gank mid
As a grux main I don't get why ppl rate him so high he is decent but needs a buff in survival compared to other for example terra or greystone
Nahhhh grux is already nearly unstoppable
Greystone and Terra don't have 3 knock ups/stuns either bro.
i dont get how argus is good , everytime i play him i feel so weak
gonna give him another go right now
ill come back to this comment with results
not agry phase is god
Mor is so good rip 😢
Shinbi is a midlaner give her the lane back omeda
Nah bra khimera is S tier
Iggy in S tier 😂😂😂 jokeman tier list. Khaimera smokes all of S tier in 1v1's
@@King-Sherry okay well when the 1v1 game mode comes out, I'll put him S tier of that tier list I guess
@PinzoDunzo well it's true and that game mode doesn't exist but you as the khai player have to look for those 1v1 situations in the game and just anyone with common sense knows if you have khai on your team and you feed your khai (by luring enemies) dude ur teams winning the game. Khai and grux are the hardest hitters in the game, first khai, second grux. But there's no character strong enough to change the entire game if your team is weak lets be clear about that.
Tanks good again? Time to reinstall
PD= Partito Democratico
Terra so broken
The game is in a perfect spot when all characters are either A or B tier of course brand new releases will be A+ or S
but they do need to buff ramp and belica significantly we DO NOT want wraith to be OP hes good in the right hands sparrow main until the day i die i wish they would give her a movement buff when using her stim or rain of arrows so shes not just do damage or die
Gideon was not nerfed enough easiest hero in the game with the most consistent damage output and to dam safe should've hit his damage a lot more or nerfed his portal by 5 seconds
:(
Stop talking at mori like that she’s my girl
Revenant feels good honestly.... Last game went 22-4 EVEN though we lost due to our eyes not looking at the map...
Big minion wave at core belike
Your 1 gold game experience doesnt serve as proper data
Okey?